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@@lastking235 It is rushed, they're just being honest because they realize we can tell and it's a convenient excuse for them to use to explain the lower quality
Yep. I took an energy storage course back in college and there are literally so many little things that can alter the performance of the battery and tons of materials research out there done to help change batteries. It's trying to find the best combo and how to deal with its advantages and disadvantages. Batteries still has a long way to go
Indeed battery storage is lacking behind computing technology, mainly due to the lack of need for high energy density batteries till the recent explosion of EV's. Up until recently small batteries worked fine in phone and laptops, but now we need large storage capacities in a relatively small space. I believe that the solution is not in chemical batteries, rather in Super-Capacitors which pick up the charge electrostatically. It has several advantages: 1. There's no chemical to degrade over the time. 2. It charges extremely fast, within minutes if not seconds. 3. It has a high energy density. There are several companies exploring this technology.
@@sihotech < Well, like with any new technology there's lots of trial and error, some will fail while others succeed. Regardless of the technology used, the aim should be a high density and affordable battery which stores and equal or higher amount of energy than the current gasoline based fuels. Consumers will always go for the lowest cost and most convenient products, that's just how it has always been.
@@yzrippin Without battery recycling we will probably run out of lithium/other rare metals that are vital for battery production very quickly. Even if we don't, the mining would cause immense damage to the environment.
@@thetntsheep4075 The mining for the minerals is Completely localised and impact can be mitigated your right recycling is important however your missing the point of Off Earth mining
Because it's true, almost every year we significantly improve our batteries. Look at batteries of cellphones back in the 2000s, barely powered tiny gray screens, now batteries can power little computers with 6' 1080p touch screens than can do almost anything you could need for more than 24 hours of fair use.
@@jeffbac1889 I haven't seen a new tech be available anywhere in years. The only place I've ever seen any battery become a reality is the realgraphene powerbank and in some RC battery packs
@@VisualBliss. I disagree. Couple of years ago my uncle gave me his old Nokia 3310 and 5110, and the original batteries of both devices could barely last 10 minutes. I agree that the later Li-Ion batteries did last long (I had a Nokia X2-00 which lasted me almost a week, and my father's basic Nokia X1-01 could last for two weeks with normal usage, even today after 10 years), but the old Ni-Mh batteries were horrible.
And it has been happening for decades. Both solar panels and batteries have been declining in price exponentially for 70 years, and show no indications that they will or must slow in the next 20.
"We've made a partnership with Volkswagen in 2012 to make a joint venture to commercialize the cell and go into manufacturing together." That was 9 years ago tho....
@@abisek.e7636It should be ovious that if it was an easy process, it would have been achieved, or one of the many other companies also working on this would have gotten to market.
@@luckyadeloye3452 can you pls chill? Did I told any outrageous response? I just told that time is going on and what that means is we should invest more in which really matters, better research next time Mr
I was about to say the same, I don't see any technical specification that would make me excited. Just like Nuclear fusion battery tech has been 5-10 years away. I am not saying there are no innovations but they have been often incremental and evolutionary certainly not revolutionary. It's just poor journalism, as far as tech is concerned the quality of journalism has been very poor from Bloomberg.
@@shorb2289 That's right. We're so far away from the ideia of the "perfect battery". Los Angeles Police Department did lease a bunch of EV and the record shows that they're useless. Officers do not wanna drive them. So they're parked. Some clerks are using them for personal driving. A woman that was caught at a nail saloon driving one of these EV ended up fired.
@@Brandon_letsgo Those 2015 LAPD EV's were BMW i3's which only had the 22-kWh battery pack that produced 81 miles of range. Of course they weren't gonna be used. The 2021 Tesla Model 3 has a range of 263 miles. And newer electric cars are coming out soon like the Lucid Air which will have 517 miles range. This technology is gonna keep improving and become cheaper. Everything demands it, smart phones, smart computers, electric vehicles, storage capacity for renewable energy, etc.
Yes of course. Ask Neo, he had been visiting the Oracle and the Matrix.
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@@aswingsharif6729 XD of course I was joking man but do people realize how cool it is to take radiation from the sun and turn that energy into a sugar molecule? That's sick
Actually there are more energy dense molecules than glucose and ATP that offer higher energy per volume, thermal effects, insulative effects, and hormonal effects.
Glucose is not a battery, it's a combustible source of energy. That's why it's so energy dense. But it is still a poor source of energy, fat is way better, it's 2.25 times more energy dense than glucose. It's easy to achieve high energy output from the source that is destroyed in the process (like fuel). But not so in the batteries. You can not expect batteries to be as energy dense as combustibles. That's why they're not going to be used on planes.
People are calling them batteries. But reality is they are not constructed in a way that actually make them batteries. Only one of the two conductors extended outside the "battery". So it's virtually a guarantee they were not batteries.
@Craig Carmichael Except those tombs are much older than the battery. Ancient Egypt is *really* ancient. The "Baghdad battery" - if that's even what it was - was only slightly older than Julius Caesar. King Tut died over 1000 years before that. Construction of the Great Pyramids finished about 1000 years before that. The pyramids were as ancient to Cleopatra and Caesar as Cleopatra and Caesar are to us
The battery recycling industry will experience monumental growth in the following years. Li-Cycle currently is at the verge of a global expansion to set up recycling centers. Interesting enough
Inventing new technology of high efficiency batteries nowadays is like fighting with airdynamics how to fly an airplane back in 1900s, it seems to be hard, but understandable now
Am I the only one who got annoyed when they said petroleum energy and showed the huge amounts of steam from nuclear power plants as a way of showing pollution?
They do that all the time. It's as if every video editor gets assigned the same library of images, and steam from cooling towers is the only image in their "pollution" B-roll folder.
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The Baghdad Battery is believed to be about 2000 years old (from the Parthian period, roughly 250 BCE to CE 250). The jar was found in Khujut Rabu just outside Baghdad and is composed of a clay jar with a stopper made of asphalt. Sticking through the asphalt is an iron rod surrounded by a copper cylinder. (Before the 1700’s)
Since we don't know if that even was a battery, it doesn't count. If it was if would've been *very* impractical. Enough to give you a somewhat uncomfortable shock, but not enough to do anything significant.
@@AnimeHumanCoherence yes... you are right... bt no one knows what is waiting for the future... back in 2005... no one thought nokia would be abolished
@@suman-majhi That is completely true, but we can't place our hopes in an unproven lab bench discovery. When an affordable process comes along that'll make graphene a useful material for these applications, than sure, make a product. But as of right now, and the past few years, it's simply just not viable to plan for it. There are many, many discoveries that promise the world that are also forgotten because they can't scale to fulfill those promises. Basically happens every year.
@@AnimeHumanCoherence Pretty much all in development battery ideas/concepts are in the lab. The technology still has to be researched and doesn't just come out of thin air. The fact that its not in mass production absolutely does not mean it's a potentially viable idea.
The 'secret' substance for solid state batteries is graphene. This is going to change the game. Interestingly enough, the guy who helped discover solid state battery technology also helped invent lithium ion batteries and RAM.
Turning 42 this year and I bought 3 shares of stock in Quantum Space (QS) this year. It is the first stock I ever bought. I believe in what they are doing and the CEO has the right vision to lead the company. Once scaled, these will be the most in-demand batteries out there.
QS goal for the year was to have four cells, they reported they were able to stack ten cells 8/21, your shares in QS are very volatile; but IMO, a great investment, add when able.
very interesting video, thank you! I think it´s important though to look at negative aspects of these new batteries aswell, for example the problematic extraction of lithium would probably become even worse if more of the battery was made with lithium. Not to say that these companies are bad, but it´s important to keep a complete view of the impacts of these kind of innovations.
Enovix is trying to make a minor change to lithium ion batteries? This video should be called "A long-wined ad for one of dozens of companies working on anodes".
1:56 i always wondered where the Spanish term "pila" came from when referring to a "battery". However "battery" could also be considered as a description of plurality, such as a "battery of tests". Therefore a "battery" is a "bundle" of anions and cations.
A single cathode-separator-anode unit is called a cell. A battery (in the old, proper usage) is two or more cells like in the voltaic pile. A 12V lead-acid battery as seen in cars has six 2 volt cells chained in series. These days, even a single cell often gets called a battery in ordinary usage, like an 18650 Li-ion "battery".
Summary? These are the same "fake promises" we've seen hundreds of times in the past 30 years. This item is Bloomberg showing the World they only employ high-schoolers who are still surprised by press-releases the older generations have already seen so many times before (and there are more than a few lies in this item as well to keep the share-holders happy).
@@Junyo bloomberg is always super light on details heavy on narrative. As in, they don't really produce compelling news, they mostly just give brief summaries on topics and give them an editorial flare to keep attention.
With all do respect. Electricity was a discovery and not an invention. It is a common mistake to speak of invention and discovery as being the same. This does not take away from the meaning of the video as it is very informative and well-done.
This isn't about saving the planet. The planet has survived 5 mass extinction events. It's about saving humanity. Our civilisations will not survive a complete collapse of the ecosystems that support them.
didn't they explain in the video that lithium is not actually used in the construction of the battery but instead refers to the actual lithium ion used to store energy?
Italian Antonio Meucci: invents the phone. English-speaking world: we'll take it from here, thanks. Italian Eugenio Barsanti and Felice Matteucci: invent combustion engine. English-speaking world: we'll take it from here, thanks. Italian Enrico Fermi: discovers nuclear energy. English-speaking world: we'll take it from here, thanks. Italian Alessandro Volta: invents the battery. English-speaking world: we'll take it from here, thanks. Italy: Guys, we're running out of money here. The world: It's all your fault mafia pizza mamma boys, stop crying.
I am pleased to see research/development making progress....with the increasing global warming events, we the world needs to change our traditional ways..
You are younger than you will be! And if you were younger you’d have missed all the things you did get to see introduced in your lifetime. If you were born tomorrow, at some point you’d still be bemoaning the same thing. “I wish I was younger so I could witness the teleporter that’s to come”. In a world of continuous change, there’s no place to get to.
take proactive care of your health, vote for those that support drastic medical research funding increases, research/invest/donate to longevity biotech causes if you can
@@serenamente5192 they were talking about imperfections on a microscopic level which means that it would need crazy high tolerances and that would be crazy expensive. remember this has to compete with your everyday double A battery. Telsa Cars use a mildly bigger double A looking battery
Interesting but a shame you missed the biggest step change in battery technology which is the use of graphene. A company called Gnanomat in Spain has some seriously mind blowing improvements under development.
In the battery industry a break through happens every couple of years, the science is hard but, bringing a battery to market is MUCH harder. youll be lucky to see this new tech with in a decade.
@@stripyrex_gaming 1. Shortage in mining capacity of materials (mainly nickel). 2. Engineering the machines that can produce new battery tech in large amounts efficient and fast enough.
Quantum scape is a scam. They're literally repackaging another company's solid state batteries. It's why they don't have any patents. You can buy those lithium metal paper thin batteries on eBay and they work! Their energy density is garbage though.
06:20 Why “lighter electronics with more battery life” instead of the same size electronic with EVEN GREATER battery life. Like if I improve the energy density I don’t want to decrease the size of the battery just because I can but rather pack more power into the same form factor.
Yes, but also a lot of research goes into cheaper/longer lasting batteries as well. Tesla is investing heavily in cheaper/longer lasting but less dense (relatively speaking) batteries. This allows cheaper electric cars to be built and for long term energy storage where price and performance beat out size for many companies
sometimes i forget that all the electricity that comes from the plug that charges my phone is also coming from another battery and not just straight from where the electricity is being produced
I believe that the solution is not in chemical batteries, rather in Super-Capacitors which pick up the charge electrostatically. It has several advantages: 1. There's no chemical to degrade over the time. 2. It charges extremely fast, within minutes if not seconds. 3. It has a high energy density. There are several companies exploring this technology.
the thing that no one thinks about is silicon is a finite recourse that's used absolutely every where cant be recycled were going to run out of it eventually just like oil and gas which is estimated we only have 40 ish years left
I'm excited about a bigger focus on cleaning up our energy systems, but I cant help but wonder about the cost of these clean solutions. The mine where the metals were sourced from. The gas powered trucks and trains that transported the materials around. The lights the workers used to see while working, which may be powered by a nearby coal plant. Dont get me wrong, I'm all for a cleaner future. But it's hard for me to get excited about clean solutions that require a ton of energy and materials to create... which produce a lot of greenhouse gasses and waste in the process.
The Baghdad Battery is A 2,200-year-old clay jar found near Baghdad, Iraq, has been described as the oldest known electric battery in existence not a battery created in 1799
This was interesting. But once again this “green” video on batteries only discussed use improvements (no gaseous emissions) and failed to talk about disposal, repairability, or recyclability of any or all of the components of the subject batteries. Batteries are going to be the plastic of the next age: a blight on the landscape unless we design for disposal (grave).
Im willing to bet i will not see electric powered cargo ships and airplanes in my lifetime. They just take so much power to operate. I like the way the aviation industry is moving. Each new generation of aircraft are 10-15% more fuel efficient, these incremental gains over time will be key to reducing co2 emissions
The biggest obstacle in creating or even revolutionizing the battery or an energy storage device, is the material. Chemistry can also go so far before you realize you can't use it anymore. Nuclear batteries are the future. Radioactive material contained in material strong and light enough to power whatever device however big or however small. This is why we need to start farming nearby asteroids and meteors and build in a desert somewhere a fully automated factory that will process the material and other places can produce the final product. For this to work, economics and money needs to die or there will be no future.
Those are not considered batteries because they were not used as batteries. They just so happen to have the same components as a battery. But it wasnt used to store chemical energy and later release electrical energy
The problem they failed to mention here, which is PRETTY FREAKING BIG, is the world is already at a silicate shortage. The demand for silica in everything is far too high. Everything from computer (PCB) boards, shoes, glass, to even metals use Silica within thier structures. So amplifying the demand for silica because of just batteries, is not only selfish, but not innovative at all. We've known this for the past 20 years.
Magnetic material is permanent storage of energy. A permanent magnet motor as a generator is a permanent source of energy. Edison generators are two field magnets and Three armature magnets to move the coils through the magnetic field magnets.
Remember that more energy density can equal more fire and boom in case of an accident. Energy is conserved, so a fully charged battery shorting will be lethal. These are great for grid storage, but Id be reluctant to sit atop one in a car. And, the biggest challenge right now isnt capacity, its the number of chargers and charging time holding the tech back. EVs are already perfect for city travel, and there are tons of chargers in cities now. But traveling, say, from Sault St. Marie in Ontario to Thunder bay is still very difficult, and for trucks in particular, thats a game ender right now. Its much the same in the US, where travel up the west coast is very doable, but going cross country isnt, unless you want to stop after every 6 hours to plug into a wall overnight. Still, its progress.
Perhaps with the solid lithium battery, but he mentioned that they are unsafe in the video. Currently Tesla's are the safest vehicles on the road, despite the large battery packs.
Compared to what? Gasoline in car? No, that's not it. Gas tank are explosive... Multi-cell batteries can't even burn in accident. Or is it reliability? No, rarely malfunction compared to gas powered car. You can say that all those car are new and high end, so we can't compared the number, but then we would just have to wait to see cheap old electric car start exploding to know, but since Tesla are like early day Ford, they are expected to hold monopoly over the industry for the next 50-100 year, i can't see their car malfunction because of cheap quality or poor maintenance anytime soon. Right now, the number are clear, they are inherently a lot safer.
@@i3_13 No, the insurance information institute actually. 38000 people die in car accident in 2018, 30-40% are directly from gas tank accident, including explosion and conventional flame, car which has gas tank lower than 10% capacities are bound to explode when accident occur, the rest cause slow painful burning death, the majority do die on crash so the number aren't clear, but explosion and flame do play an important role killing injured victims in a lot of cases. And no, exploding doesn't mean rolling 3 time in the air...
@UC9jMNVXwlfG61GUra5akZKQ who the effing duck use the word gasoline... "Honey, the car has runout of GASOLINE, remember to go to the GASOLINE station to fill up the GASOLINE tank".
There is an alternative to batteries, high temperature super conducting cables. Super conducting materials by definition can transfer vast amounts of energy over vast distances with zero loss. That means you can generate power in the Sahara and then transmit it to Shanghai or San Francisco with zero energy loss. When it is night time in Alaska, it is peak solar generating capacity in the Sahara no batteries are required to store the energy because it just gets sent to the opposite side of the planet with no loss to be consumed.
@@therighteous802 Why do EV's need to be solved? They seem to be working just fine. The problem with renewables is that they are intermittent and unreliable so they require massive batteries on the grid to store energy when the sun isn't shining. The only alternative is to have a planet sized super conducting grid so you can consume energy on the opposite side of the planet.
@@disposabull I'm no expert and I don't have an EV, but I think energy density is the main thing to improve. It's also what could make electric planes happen. Charge time is another, although I guess we can swap batteries (but we would need to produce a lot more than necessary).
I saw a video a couple years ago that seemed to be talking about this same battery. I don't remember the company. But they were talking more about cell phone batteries and how this new kind is safer and won't catch fire. The guy charged up the battery and drove a nail through it and nothing happened, unlike lithium ion that would burst into flames.
For large scale energy storage the safer, more reliable long-term choice is Vanadium redox flow batteries (VRFB). It's an all liquid battery which doesn't catch fire. It's used for large scale renewable energy storage but one day may be reduced in size.
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Get rid of the word Quicktake. Makes one feel that the reporting is rushed. Just "Bloomberg" would be fine I think.
feels like a video by small youtubers, more than 10 minutes and plenty introduction and explanation to battery basics
0.75 Volts to be precise
I’m sorry but humans didn’t invent electricity ⚡️ ...lol
@@lastking235 It is rushed, they're just being honest because they realize we can tell and it's a convenient excuse for them to use to explain the lower quality
Yep. I took an energy storage course back in college and there are literally so many little things that can alter the performance of the battery and tons of materials research out there done to help change batteries. It's trying to find the best combo and how to deal with its advantages and disadvantages. Batteries still has a long way to go
It should be changed from "it is not rocket science" to "it is not battery science".
Indeed battery storage is lacking behind computing technology, mainly due to the lack of need for high energy density batteries till the recent explosion of EV's. Up until recently small batteries worked fine in phone and laptops, but now we need large storage capacities in a relatively small space.
I believe that the solution is not in chemical batteries, rather in Super-Capacitors which pick up the charge electrostatically. It has several advantages: 1. There's no chemical to degrade over the time. 2. It charges extremely fast, within minutes if not seconds. 3. It has a high energy density. There are several companies exploring this technology.
@@BillAnt I read about graphene battery, they say it'll be revolutionary... they probably say that about every new battery tech.
@@sihotech < Well, like with any new technology there's lots of trial and error, some will fail while others succeed. Regardless of the technology used, the aim should be a high density and affordable battery which stores and equal or higher amount of energy than the current gasoline based fuels. Consumers will always go for the lowest cost and most convenient products, that's just how it has always been.
@@sihotech graphene in lipos exist, you can buy them
but there's not much difference in performance
They have to be recyclable as well.
Thank you! 👍👍👍
Everything decays eventually be patient
@@yzrippin Without battery recycling we will probably run out of lithium/other rare metals that are vital for battery production very quickly. Even if we don't, the mining would cause immense damage to the environment.
@@yzrippin Yes but if it takes thousands to tens of thousands of years to decay, we quickly out produce the rate it takes to decay.
@@thetntsheep4075 The mining for the minerals is Completely localised and impact can be mitigated your right recycling is important however your missing the point of Off Earth mining
Electricity wasn't invented, it was discovered.
True it's always been there just never used
@@indian-tech-support well your nerve system and brain use electricity. So more like we use it without knowing
@@FSXgta Interesting comments!
Makes a person wonder what else - exactly - is occurring unbeknownst to us at this time.
@@FSXgta as i said its always been here
@@indian-tech-support well then I misunderstood what you meant by "never used" 😅
It'll be a sad day for movies in the future when cars shot in fuel tank will never explode anymore.
You are so funny
You are so funny my kidney shift to my leg
yes. so sad.
Lithium batteries can explode too
You made me chuckle.😄
"new amazing battery coming soon" - I've heard this for years now lol
Because it's true, almost every year we significantly improve our batteries. Look at batteries of cellphones back in the 2000s, barely powered tiny gray screens, now batteries can power little computers with 6' 1080p touch screens than can do almost anything you could need for more than 24 hours of fair use.
@@jeffbac1889 except early Nokias, they had the most advanced batterys in the universe!
@@jeffbac1889 I haven't seen a new tech be available anywhere in years. The only place I've ever seen any battery become a reality is the realgraphene powerbank and in some RC battery packs
@@VisualBliss. I disagree. Couple of years ago my uncle gave me his old Nokia 3310 and 5110, and the original batteries of both devices could barely last 10 minutes. I agree that the later Li-Ion batteries did last long (I had a Nokia X2-00 which lasted me almost a week, and my father's basic Nokia X1-01 could last for two weeks with normal usage, even today after 10 years), but the old Ni-Mh batteries were horrible.
And it has been happening for decades. Both solar panels and batteries have been declining in price exponentially for 70 years, and show no indications that they will or must slow in the next 20.
I’m coming back in 5 years to see who actually revolutionize the industry
See you again in March 2026
👍🤔👍
Quantumscape will be it
Battery technology is not the silicon semiconductor. So, the question isn't who, but how could it?
@@hammerhand5059 you're a time traveller?? 😂
"We've made a partnership with Volkswagen in 2012 to make a joint venture to commercialize the cell and go into manufacturing together." That was 9 years ago tho....
yep, sad
@@abisek.e7636It should be ovious that if it was an easy process, it would have been achieved, or one of the many other companies also working on this would have gotten to market.
@@ExternalInputs yeah of course.. but we also should see the time going on
But what have you invented? All these things take time to perfect them!!!
@@luckyadeloye3452 can you pls chill? Did I told any outrageous response? I just told that time is going on and what that means is we should invest more in which really matters, better research next time Mr
Too light on details which is so common in battery reports.
So go read the source material?
Well they can’t just give away the recipe of the pancake right?
@@demonitized6208 here’s the recipe - oil from snakes
I was about to say the same, I don't see any technical specification that would make me excited. Just like Nuclear fusion battery tech has been 5-10 years away. I am not saying there are no innovations but they have been often incremental and evolutionary certainly not revolutionary. It's just poor journalism, as far as tech is concerned the quality of journalism has been very poor from Bloomberg.
fisker already dropped out of solid state market. The last 10% is very hard to overcome.
I have been hearing this for 15 years.
And batteries have become dramatically cheaper and more capable in those 15 years.
@@bozo5632 no they haven't
@@shorb2289 That's right. We're so far away from the ideia of the "perfect battery". Los Angeles Police Department did lease a bunch of EV and the record shows that they're useless. Officers do not wanna drive them. So they're parked. Some clerks are using them for personal driving. A woman that was caught at a nail saloon driving one of these EV ended up fired.
@@Brandon_letsgo Those 2015 LAPD EV's were BMW i3's which only had the 22-kWh battery pack that produced 81 miles of range. Of course they weren't gonna be used. The 2021 Tesla Model 3 has a range of 263 miles. And newer electric cars are coming out soon like the Lucid Air which will have 517 miles range.
This technology is gonna keep improving and become cheaper. Everything demands it, smart phones, smart computers, electric vehicles, storage capacity for renewable energy, etc.
@@shorb2289 shitty bait
“Necessity is the mother of invention.”
― Plato
Your mom is the mother if you
"We're only in it for the money!"
-- Mothers of Invention
@@budg7525 If people don't want it, why built it?
Correct. This outdated economic structuring harms this planet and its inhabitants.
Passion and curiosity too...
Was expecting something of Graphene
Its too expensive..
Allot of new ideas none are doing well
Power banks with graphene are already available
Quote: the best battery in nature is called glucose and is only rivaled by ATP
Yes of course. Ask Neo, he had been visiting the Oracle and the Matrix.
@@aswingsharif6729 XD of course I was joking man but do people realize how cool it is to take radiation from the sun and turn that energy into a sugar molecule? That's sick
Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell.
Actually there are more energy dense molecules than glucose and ATP that offer higher energy per volume, thermal effects, insulative effects, and hormonal effects.
Glucose is not a battery, it's a combustible source of energy. That's why it's so energy dense. But it is still a poor source of energy, fat is way better, it's 2.25 times more energy dense than glucose.
It's easy to achieve high energy output from the source that is destroyed in the process (like fuel). But not so in the batteries. You can not expect batteries to be as energy dense as combustibles. That's why they're not going to be used on planes.
"Baghdad Battery. A 2,200-year-old clay jar found near Baghdad, Iraq, has been described as the oldest known electric battery in existence."
It's heavily disputed by some scientists though.
People are calling them batteries. But reality is they are not constructed in a way that actually make them batteries. Only one of the two conductors extended outside the "battery". So it's virtually a guarantee they were not batteries.
@Craig Carmichael Except those tombs are much older than the battery. Ancient Egypt is *really* ancient. The "Baghdad battery" - if that's even what it was - was only slightly older than Julius Caesar. King Tut died over 1000 years before that. Construction of the Great Pyramids finished about 1000 years before that. The pyramids were as ancient to Cleopatra and Caesar as Cleopatra and Caesar are to us
@@jeffbenton6183 nicely put in perspective
Oh please, they aren't even sure if that's a battery, it's probably not.
The battery recycling industry will experience monumental growth in the following years. Li-Cycle currently is at the verge of a global expansion to set up recycling centers. Interesting enough
As far as I understand, lithium is cheaper to recycle, if done the right way, than to take out a new one!
ABML will be huge!
"QUOTE " we don't even know where fish fingers come from "
~ the fish
Hoki and they nearly wiped them out.
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Inventing new technology of high efficiency batteries nowadays is like fighting with airdynamics how to fly an airplane back in 1900s, it seems to be hard, but understandable now
Am I the only one who got annoyed when they said petroleum energy and showed the huge amounts of steam from nuclear power plants as a way of showing pollution?
it's all anti-nuclear propaganda
They do that all the time. It's as if every video editor gets assigned the same library of images, and steam from cooling towers is the only image in their "pollution" B-roll folder.
I've been hearing about "new" batteries changing the world since 2015 and nothing has really changed yet
Plenty of scientists have been ahead of their time, and limited by the technology of their time.
Id it say it sounds about time
But that's just 6 years. For a reference, the first time I hear abou the concept of an e-book (like a Kindle) was in the early or middle 90s.
Tonycns you are so myopic
Battery tech have advance significantly in last few years, if you can't see that you must be brain dead
@@henryeghaghara9385 If you’re reading this, you’ve been in a coma for 10 years.
We’re trying a new technique.
We don’t know where this message will end up in your dream, but we’re hoping we got through.
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except your phone battery has double the capacity it used to have and charges four times as fast
The Baghdad Battery is believed to be about 2000 years old (from the Parthian period, roughly 250 BCE to CE 250). The jar was found in Khujut Rabu just outside Baghdad and is composed of a clay jar with a stopper made of asphalt. Sticking through the asphalt is an iron rod surrounded by a copper cylinder. (Before the 1700’s)
The latest update that I heard on it was that scientists don’t think it would have worked and that it likely was not a battery. But hey, who knows
Since we don't know if that even was a battery, it doesn't count. If it was if would've been *very* impractical. Enough to give you a somewhat uncomfortable shock, but not enough to do anything significant.
what about graphene battery?
Meme technology that never leaves the lab. Scaling production of graphene is too expensive to make it worth the investment.
@@AnimeHumanCoherence That's what people say about photovoltaic solar panels way back in the 70s & 80s. So I say, let's wait & see.
@@AnimeHumanCoherence yes... you are right... bt no one knows what is waiting for the future... back in 2005... no one thought nokia would be abolished
@@suman-majhi
That is completely true, but we can't place our hopes in an unproven lab bench discovery. When an affordable process comes along that'll make graphene a useful material for these applications, than sure, make a product. But as of right now, and the past few years, it's simply just not viable to plan for it. There are many, many discoveries that promise the world that are also forgotten because they can't scale to fulfill those promises. Basically happens every year.
@@AnimeHumanCoherence Pretty much all in development battery ideas/concepts are in the lab. The technology still has to be researched and doesn't just come out of thin air. The fact that its not in mass production absolutely does not mean it's a potentially viable idea.
What happened to the Goodenough solid-state battery everyone was hyping about last year?
It was faked
@@craigthebrute2409 Just like these examples seem to be...
@@craigthebrute2409 Not true.
@@DRTerabyte so where is it?
@@craigthebrute2409 wasn’t faked. It is still in testing, things don’t just appear it not goes through testing, feasibility and cost reduction.
The 'secret' substance for solid state batteries is graphene. This is going to change the game. Interestingly enough, the guy who helped discover solid state battery technology also helped invent lithium ion batteries and RAM.
Turning 42 this year and I bought 3 shares of stock in Quantum Space (QS) this year. It is the first stock I ever bought. I believe in what they are doing and the CEO has the right vision to lead the company. Once scaled, these will be the most in-demand batteries out there.
Terrible way to invest.
QS goal for the year was to have four cells, they reported they were able to stack ten cells 8/21, your shares in QS are very volatile; but IMO, a great investment, add when able.
very interesting video, thank you! I think it´s important though to look at negative aspects of these new batteries aswell, for example the problematic extraction of lithium would probably become even worse if more of the battery was made with lithium. Not to say that these companies are bad, but it´s important to keep a complete view of the impacts of these kind of innovations.
My battery died when i was watching this
😂😂😂
🤪🤪🤪🤪
Ok xD
cool
Wow i never had so many likes
Enovix is trying to make a minor change to lithium ion batteries? This video should be called "A long-wined ad for one of dozens of companies working on anodes".
1:56 i always wondered where the Spanish term "pila" came from when referring to a "battery".
However "battery" could also be considered as a description of plurality, such as a "battery of tests". Therefore a "battery" is a "bundle" of anions and cations.
Benjamin Franklin coined the term battery to describe a bank of capacitors (not electrochemical cells) that he was shown.
A single cathode-separator-anode unit is called a cell. A battery (in the old, proper usage) is two or more cells like in the voltaic pile. A 12V lead-acid battery as seen in cars has six 2 volt cells chained in series.
These days, even a single cell often gets called a battery in ordinary usage, like an 18650 Li-ion "battery".
@@gregvanpaassen I've given up trying to tell people that a single cell is not a battery!
I built an electric bike in 2016 the ebike forums said the price of batteries would go down every year. I can't get a cheaper battery today.
Oh they are cheaper alright... To produce... Just not for you
And to think: a random group on the internet was wrong. The horror.....
Stellar summary. Well done, Bloomberg.
Summary? These are the same "fake promises" we've seen hundreds of times in the past 30 years.
This item is Bloomberg showing the World they only employ high-schoolers who are still surprised by press-releases the older generations have already seen so many times before (and there are more than a few lies in this item as well to keep the share-holders happy).
@@Junyo bloomberg is always super light on details heavy on narrative.
As in, they don't really produce compelling news, they mostly just give brief summaries on topics and give them an editorial flare to keep attention.
With all do respect. Electricity was a discovery and not an invention. It is a common mistake to speak of invention and discovery as being the same. This does not take away from the meaning of the video as it is very informative and well-done.
Ever heard of the "Baghdad battery"? This guy said the first battery was made 1799
Main stream doesn’t accept it , Ignorants !
I was there, it leaked and sucked. Plus not many thing to use it with.
The old Egypt's had it first.
Yeah. I was scanning comments to see who else knew. Yet the light emitting device pictured by the ancient Egyptians remains unknown.
@@gerhardwagner8654 what's not to except you can make one in 5 minutes, they're truly ignorant.
It will go the same way as it did for Tesla: In the beginning, they produce for a small market, and from year to year they try to expand production.
This isn't about saving the planet. The planet has survived 5 mass extinction events. It's about saving humanity. Our civilisations will not survive a complete collapse of the ecosystems that support them.
What about the carbon footprint of manufacturing the battery itself? Metal mining, especially lithium, is insanely nature intensive.
That's what I was thinking bhai 👍
didn't they explain in the video that lithium is not actually used in the construction of the battery but instead refers to the actual lithium ion used to store energy?
Voor EVs total production emissions of the battery pack are at about 100 kg of CO2 per kWh. Not too bad and definitely worth it.
Shhhhh, don't bring logic into the discussion.
We are saving the Fk'n planet!!!!
@@Simon-dm8zv And what charges the battery? You think covering the planet with windmills and solar panels has no environmental effects?
and we are here. 20 years later, learning things about batteries
The irony of wanting this is needing precious metals and rare earth minerals which are hard to mine.
But, we savin' the planet....
How do we make the energy that charges the batteries?
Italian Antonio Meucci: invents the phone.
English-speaking world: we'll take it from here, thanks.
Italian Eugenio Barsanti and Felice Matteucci: invent combustion engine.
English-speaking world: we'll take it from here, thanks.
Italian Enrico Fermi: discovers nuclear energy.
English-speaking world: we'll take it from here, thanks.
Italian Alessandro Volta: invents the battery.
English-speaking world: we'll take it from here, thanks.
Italy: Guys, we're running out of money here.
The world: It's all your fault mafia pizza mamma boys, stop crying.
I am pleased to see research/development making progress....with the increasing global warming events, we the world needs to change our traditional ways..
I wish I was younger so I could witness what's to come
How old are u ?
damn man, don't make me sad
I think you'll live for 5 more years lmao
You are younger than you will be! And if you were younger you’d have missed all the things you did get to see introduced in your lifetime.
If you were born tomorrow, at some point you’d still be bemoaning the same thing. “I wish I was younger so I could witness the teleporter that’s to come”.
In a world of continuous change, there’s no place to get to.
take proactive care of your health, vote for those that support drastic medical research funding increases, research/invest/donate to longevity biotech causes if you can
I’m pretty sure the Tesla team announced during battery day that they’re starting to use silicon. Correct me if I’m wrong?
the silicon tech presented sounds increibly expensive to manufacture, w no margin for error
It might end up using more energy and natural resources than petroleum
No it doesn't lmao
Like a chip lol
@@serenamente5192 they were talking about imperfections on a microscopic level which means that it would need crazy high tolerances and that would be crazy expensive. remember this has to compete with your everyday double A battery. Telsa Cars use a mildly bigger double A looking battery
@@sufferr2914 The tech is there for up to 2 nanometers. Microscopic level isn't much noteworthy
yeah but where we gonna storage the battery if they los it's power? or got old, or the car gets old etc
Interesting but a shame you missed the biggest step change in battery technology which is the use of graphene. A company called Gnanomat in Spain has some seriously mind blowing improvements under development.
Couldn't find the share price online whats the share code mate?
@@youngadventuresaustralia952 They are private.
In the battery industry a break through happens every couple of years, the science is hard but, bringing a battery to market is MUCH harder. youll be lucky to see this new tech with in a decade.
why is that?
wouldn't big companies profit, with state-of-the-art cheaper batteries? it will help them be above the competition
@@stripyrex_gaming 1. Shortage in mining capacity of materials (mainly nickel). 2. Engineering the machines that can produce new battery tech in large amounts efficient and fast enough.
Great video, but you missed some of the other noted companies such as Tesla, Sila Nanotechnologies,...
Have you tried to compress it with transistor structures and a cuircuitt
This is the best video I have watched in years
You watched only that video then
9:25 What is the name of this song?
How long will this simple copper zinc battery last? How long will the LED shine?
Likely hours at the most.
Not nearly as long as it took to build it.
As long as there is electrons to convert to photons.
In terms of sustainability Lithium isn't recyclable
It is.
Meanwhile in Texas: "Dinosaur goop YEEEEEE HAAAAAAAW!"
If your using electricity, or plastic your going yeeehaaw cowboy.
Meanwhile in Cali: "Let's move to Texas for a better life!"
Meanwhile in Texas: Becoming popsicles just to let bigwigs get another summer boat "YEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAW"
Meanwhile in Texas:
*Freezes*
*Everything fails*
@@WeldonSirloin It must be terrible in Cali if they still migrate over to the Texas cold :D
Congratulations 👏 and all the best for your success and happiness 💓
How about the "Baghdad Battery"? It was certainly around way before Volta made his discovery.
The thing is they’ve had this in the bag for years probably decades But didn’t use it went with other methods instead like lithium batteries
Batteries are very old. But fundamentals never changed. We need completely new form of energy storage.
Didn't the Egyptian made the first primitive battery with clay jar, citrus and copper?
Technically that's a cell
lets all hope this comes true but please do not hold your breath!
I don't think anyone can hold their breath that long.
I'm already satisfied with a steamdeck with 6hrs of battery on AAA games.
Lol, what? It's more like 1 to 4 hours
Quantum scape is a scam. They're literally repackaging another company's solid state batteries. It's why they don't have any patents. You can buy those lithium metal paper thin batteries on eBay and they work! Their energy density is garbage though.
butthurt bagholder detected
Lol
06:20 Why “lighter electronics with more battery life” instead of the same size electronic with EVEN GREATER battery life. Like if I improve the energy density I don’t want to decrease the size of the battery just because I can but rather pack more power into the same form factor.
So inshort they are trying to make a higher density battery
Yep
Yes, but also a lot of research goes into cheaper/longer lasting batteries as well. Tesla is investing heavily in cheaper/longer lasting but less dense (relatively speaking) batteries. This allows cheaper electric cars to be built and for long term energy storage where price and performance beat out size for many companies
sometimes i forget that all the electricity that comes from the plug that charges my phone is also coming from another battery and not just straight from where the electricity is being produced
As long as the PRC gets kept out of this then...
Scared ?
I believe that the solution is not in chemical batteries, rather in Super-Capacitors which pick up the charge electrostatically. It has several advantages: 1. There's no chemical to degrade over the time. 2. It charges extremely fast, within minutes if not seconds. 3. It has a high energy density. There are several companies exploring this technology.
Akira Yoshino invented the first safe lithium ion battery
the thing that no one thinks about is silicon is a finite recourse that's used absolutely every where cant be recycled were going to run out of it eventually just like oil and gas which is estimated we only have 40 ish years left
Are they not gonna say how expensive these batteries will be cause of economics of scale and whatnot?
@ROM LUNDY I know, and how is that relevant?
Let's just hope there's no more wars over these new technology solutions
America never goes down without a fight
I've been hearing about "battery breakthrough" for like 5 years, and none of it is happening🆗
Trust me...I've heard "battery breakthrough" for 30+ years and less than 0.1% has ever went to mass-production stage.
@@Junyo going form Nicd to Lion was at least something
They are making too much money to advance it quickly.
I'm excited about a bigger focus on cleaning up our energy systems, but I cant help but wonder about the cost of these clean solutions. The mine where the metals were sourced from. The gas powered trucks and trains that transported the materials around. The lights the workers used to see while working, which may be powered by a nearby coal plant. Dont get me wrong, I'm all for a cleaner future. But it's hard for me to get excited about clean solutions that require a ton of energy and materials to create... which produce a lot of greenhouse gasses and waste in the process.
"And that's electricity!"
"Cool."
Lithium isn't renewable either lol
It is recyclable though so it stays in the system.
I love the way you represented this new thing...
The Baghdad Battery is
A 2,200-year-old clay jar found near Baghdad, Iraq, has been described as the oldest known electric battery in existence not a battery created in 1799
"Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower."
--Steve Jobs
@@dertythegrower Wow. You're a fossil
Solid Power Inc. already in the testing phases with BMW and Ford as partners.
This was interesting. But once again this “green” video on batteries only discussed use improvements (no gaseous emissions) and failed to talk about disposal, repairability, or recyclability of any or all of the components of the subject batteries. Batteries are going to be the plastic of the next age: a blight on the landscape unless we design for disposal (grave).
Im willing to bet i will not see electric powered cargo ships and airplanes in my lifetime. They just take so much power to operate. I like the way the aviation industry is moving. Each new generation of aircraft are 10-15% more fuel efficient, these incremental gains over time will be key to reducing co2 emissions
You won't see battery powered ships. I'm wouldn't be so sure about electrically powered in general..
Remember Thomas Edison bankrupted himself trying to improve battery technology.
The biggest obstacle in creating or even revolutionizing the battery or an energy storage device, is the material. Chemistry can also go so far before you realize you can't use it anymore. Nuclear batteries are the future. Radioactive material contained in material strong and light enough to power whatever device however big or however small. This is why we need to start farming nearby asteroids and meteors and build in a desert somewhere a fully automated factory that will process the material and other places can produce the final product. For this to work, economics and money needs to die or there will be no future.
*The people who love their jobs*
What about Aluminium air cell?
How about the Baghdad Battery or Parthian Battery. It's over 2000 years old.
I was thinking the same thing. The people who write these things are morons.
Those are not considered batteries because they were not used as batteries. They just so happen to have the same components as a battery. But it wasnt used to store chemical energy and later release electrical energy
@@Ddub1083 yes it was. They used them to elctro plate items.
@@jbweld6193 can you show us then?
@@jbweld6193 Right... just like I said, THEY WERENT USED AS BATTERIES.
The problem they failed to mention here, which is PRETTY FREAKING BIG, is the world is already at a silicate shortage. The demand for silica in everything is far too high. Everything from computer (PCB) boards, shoes, glass, to even metals use Silica within thier structures. So amplifying the demand for silica because of just batteries, is not only selfish, but not innovative at all. We've known this for the past 20 years.
Secondary Cathode Materials:
LiNiCoO
LiTiO
LiMgO
Electrolytes:
Diethyl and Diemethyl carbonates
Lithium flouride
Anode:
Carbon
I guess you know a thing or two about a thing or two my dude ;)
Magnetic material is permanent storage of energy. A permanent magnet motor as a generator is a permanent source of energy. Edison generators are two field magnets and Three armature magnets to move the coils through the magnetic field magnets.
"No way to generate electricity before battery." Literal nonsense.
That people have discovered yet*
seems like you don't know the history buddy
@@clashgamers4072 educate me then
@@qwertyu5363 no not you
Can we treat a plasma as a battery, say in a torus, adding and removing electrons at will?
When you hear batteries, you think of..... Tesla
All the damn time!!!!
Remember that more energy density can equal more fire and boom in case of an accident. Energy is conserved, so a fully charged battery shorting will be lethal. These are great for grid storage, but Id be reluctant to sit atop one in a car. And, the biggest challenge right now isnt capacity, its the number of chargers and charging time holding the tech back. EVs are already perfect for city travel, and there are tons of chargers in cities now. But traveling, say, from Sault St. Marie in Ontario to Thunder bay is still very difficult, and for trucks in particular, thats a game ender right now. Its much the same in the US, where travel up the west coast is very doable, but going cross country isnt, unless you want to stop after every 6 hours to plug into a wall overnight. Still, its progress.
Perhaps with the solid lithium battery, but he mentioned that they are unsafe in the video. Currently Tesla's are the safest vehicles on the road, despite the large battery packs.
one small problem "They're not safe."
Compared to what?
Gasoline in car? No, that's not it. Gas tank are explosive... Multi-cell batteries can't even burn in accident. Or is it reliability? No, rarely malfunction compared to gas powered car.
You can say that all those car are new and high end, so we can't compared the number, but then we would just have to wait to see cheap old electric car start exploding to know, but since Tesla are like early day Ford, they are expected to hold monopoly over the industry for the next 50-100 year, i can't see their car malfunction because of cheap quality or poor maintenance anytime soon. Right now, the number are clear, they are inherently a lot safer.
@@bachvandals3259 And idiot gasoline itself doesn't explode. Watched too much action movies?
@@i3_13 No, the insurance information institute actually. 38000 people die in car accident in 2018, 30-40% are directly from gas tank accident, including explosion and conventional flame, car which has gas tank lower than 10% capacities are bound to explode when accident occur, the rest cause slow painful burning death, the majority do die on crash so the number aren't clear, but explosion and flame do play an important role killing injured victims in a lot of cases.
And no, exploding doesn't mean rolling 3 time in the air...
@UC9jMNVXwlfG61GUra5akZKQ who the effing duck use the word gasoline... "Honey, the car has runout of GASOLINE, remember to go to the GASOLINE station to fill up the GASOLINE tank".
@@bachvandals3259 How many times did it explode?
Slim battery will need more charge. Imagine a battery charging itself from everything in every condition! Fantastic
"“Quote.
Quote, quote, quote.”
-Quoted."
-daddy yankee
The problem is energy density, the more energy dense the battery the more unstable and dangerous it is.
There is an alternative to batteries, high temperature super conducting cables.
Super conducting materials by definition can transfer vast amounts of energy over vast distances with zero loss. That means you can generate power in the Sahara and then transmit it to Shanghai or San Francisco with zero energy loss.
When it is night time in Alaska, it is peak solar generating capacity in the Sahara no batteries are required to store the energy because it just gets sent to the opposite side of the planet with no loss to be consumed.
It doesn't solve EVs though.
@@therighteous802 Why do EV's need to be solved? They seem to be working just fine. The problem with renewables is that they are intermittent and unreliable so they require massive batteries on the grid to store energy when the sun isn't shining.
The only alternative is to have a planet sized super conducting grid so you can consume energy on the opposite side of the planet.
@@disposabull I'm no expert and I don't have an EV, but I think energy density is the main thing to improve. It's also what could make electric planes happen. Charge time is another, although I guess we can swap batteries (but we would need to produce a lot more than necessary).
I saw a video a couple years ago that seemed to be talking about this same battery. I don't remember the company. But they were talking more about cell phone batteries and how this new kind is safer and won't catch fire. The guy charged up the battery and drove a nail through it and nothing happened, unlike lithium ion that would burst into flames.
great video
For large scale energy storage the safer, more reliable long-term choice is Vanadium redox flow batteries (VRFB). It's an all liquid battery which doesn't catch fire.
It's used for large scale renewable energy storage but one day may be reduced in size.