I liked A & C the best, and could really hear the depth and tone differences among all 3, but something that really confuses me is how a digital reverb that is just running algorithems, can sound different when the same algorithems are run through a plug in. What is going on to produce such differences?
With the Slate Verbsuite it makes sense it would sound different because it's convolution based. It's a completely different mechanism than the algorithms. With 7th Heaven vs Bricasti I reckon the difference occurs when CPU load is taken into account. 7th Heaven has to run natively on a computer, whereas the Bricasti is a computer, so I doubt the algorithm is truly identical. However, it's pretty darn close!
@@WeissAdvice It's mostly due to the converters, but I also tried running it at a higher sample rate, and the sound got clearer. I always do that when I am rendering.
Dude this is incredible content- wow. I have never heard you do a shootout before on this channel but you are certainly predisposed to doing it in a very uniquely elegant way. Would love to see more of this type of content. Not sure if you work with analog when mixing but that would be fun. And blind- always, until the very end. Double blind would be really really cool but more of a pita to set up for you.
I don't typically do a lot of shootouts. I did a VMS vs u87 shootout. Sometimes it's hard to do shootouts because there aren't exactly 1:1 emulations. Like my 1176 is a RevH, which is rarely modeled.
Interesting- I liked A and C most of the time because of the low end build up on B - A sounded more like a natural room but C is the least intrusive which can be good in a mix that has lots of things on the low mid.
First listen of all 3 Churches and I instantly could pick out all 3 (even having only used 1 of the 3 myself - mixed w pre-printed verb from another). Watched the rest of the video waiting to the end and I was actually right about all 3! Which means 1 of 2 things. Either I got very lucky on this one, or, I can no longer use my monitoring as an excuse for any bad mixes I let slip through. I'm sticking with luck to make myself feel better haha.
I’m guessing that A is the $69 one, it felt too big cluttered and washy, B is the Bricasti and C is the $150 one. I preferred B as it was a bit cleaner and didn’t get in the way of the voice. Edit: oh damn!
Great video 🎉. I choose the same a,c,b line up but for different reasons, it’s weird how we differ in taste but end at same outcome. A was not distracting and musically blended, the other 2 had better separation, more do to distraction and crappy math going on in the plugin,C was the preferred in 2nd place. In solo it really stood out, b was not tangible and cadence smeared undesirably, C was the lesser evil. I’d say it’s worth the money as much as it’s worth mixing at 96k, people can chew on that for a bit.
My "less liking of B" was based of hearing just reverb soloed. I have the Liquid Sonics plugin but no hardware or Slate Digital so I'm in seventh heaven after the reveal!
I don't think anything beats real doubles with VocAlign - that's the best. As far as an artificial doubler goes I think ReVoice is the best of the bunch - but it's still an artificial doubler at the end of the day.
Paused at minute 7, my thoughts : a) I like the B, cleaner with more definition. It sounds like a clear reverb, standard space, nothing much about it. Not bad at all, not too good either. b) A has some sort of bitcrushing artifact (or that's what I heard) that can sometimes be useful but not really what I like for clean sustained instruments or vocals. c) I think I'll go for the C for vocals, because it has lower diffusion with obvious delay partials which most of the time can works well with vocals. Not all the time, but I tend to like that type of reverb for vocals. My choice would be the C I guess. I like low diffusion reverb. I have both Seventh Heaven and Verbsuite Classic, I use Verbsuite Classic all the time and for Bricasti style reverb I use Reverberate also from LS that comes with free BM7 pack which in my opinion is more versatile and slightly better sounding but a little harder to use. Will continue watching the video now. EDIT : Lol, ironically liking the one I didn''t use and the hardware is the one that has "bitcrushing artifact". Is that the converter ?
Listening again I don't hear bit crushing - the chorus section I'm deliberately overdriving the preamp, and "A" seems to retain a bit more of the top end. There's a little AAC distortion but I hear that in all examples.
I had hardware pegged fairly early, I honestly don't really know why except there's a certain vibe I was getting in how the reverb was mixing in. B & C plug-ins, I wasn't able to pick. I just got Slate and SSL Complete as a trial with plans to go yearly, but I've not gotten to the Mac to load any up. So I'll get to try Verbsuite. I still like my other hardware emulation, Relab Development LX480 V4 Dual Engine, but that's not going to stop me from trying others.
A is super clean, B is THICC. you can hear the modulation in that. C is somewhere in the middle but closer to A. I feel like A and B are probably useful to have together because they have a definite colour to them.
UA-cam compresses the sound quality so much that you'll never hear the difference. But trust me, the difference is there. It's not like you still can't use plugins though.
If you can't hear it on UA-cam, then you won't hear it on Spotify. Why bother ? And to answer your comment, there is an audible difference on youtube between these models, it's not quality difference, it's flavor difference.
@@bakerlefdaoui6801 I can definitely agree to call that a flavor. I’ve experimented a lot and there are situations when some tracks, vocals, instruments will sound so bad under reverb plugins while shining when processed with hardware. The main difference is hardware is always super clean. You’re not adding that muddy rumbling noise each and every time processing your tracks. As a result you get a very transparent mix. It’s a lot harder to mix loud and transparent with a plugin reverb. That’s just what I’ve noticed.
I actually didn’t really like the Bricasti - which I guessed right - I thought the low mids were a little muddy. Slate is recognizable because of the slightly brittle highs, which is the signature sound in most of his software. Seventh Heaven sounds the most balanced in terms of frequency. I would probably use an eq on the Bricasti and the Slate. Thanks for the shootout:)
I agree, I felt I would need to EQ out a bit of low mid, and it was almost "too pretty" for the record. I preferred the Slate because I felt it blended with my vocal better, particularly on the chorus, and had that hair bit of lo-fi ness that felt good to me. 7th Heaven agree 100% felt the most balanced to me as well.
Even though I never used a hardware Bricasti, neither do I own the Seventh Heaven... I guessed right from the beginning. I use the Slate one on a daily basis though. Idk how but any reverb I used in the slate collection has like a distinctive footprint let's call it.
Theres is just that expensive sounding tail thats in A that the others don't have. Its very close though. I really like the voice. Distinct and expressive.
Voice has a good range and is pleasing enough. Obviously lake some assurance and the pitch wonder a bit but I'm thinking with regular practice you could probably sing. I'm no vocal coach mind you but i don't see why not.
You helped me become better at mixing with all your videos. Just want to say thank you for your works Matthew 🏆 What plugin did you use in the “vac attack vox”?
I liked B the best on both parts. I was focused on his voice and it was the only one which I could really get into his vocals. A sounded a bit weak and C just sounded off with a weird mid tone. However, I bet the Bricasti would sound better with more vocal post processing and louder/denser settings on the reverb
B sounds the most dissonant when it's isolated. It feels like it's "ricocheting" off the "walls" a bit more. I prefer C and then A (very close call). B is good too but it feels more confined and dissonant. (Greetings from absurd music ideas!)
I'd love to. I think because I understand the units well enough I would probably guess it the majority of the time - but what I think is any given unit vs what I *prefer the sound of - two different things.
Quite obvious from the beggining. Expensive reverbs give you more transparent sound full of soft highs without overwhelmed mids and lo mids that actually just a noise and masking 80% of your mix so you just have to make it quiter, we have waves for that bs
I liked A & C the best, and could really hear the depth and tone differences among all 3, but something that really confuses me is how a digital reverb that is just running algorithems, can sound different when the same algorithems are run through a plug in. What is going on to produce such differences?
With the Slate Verbsuite it makes sense it would sound different because it's convolution based. It's a completely different mechanism than the algorithms. With 7th Heaven vs Bricasti I reckon the difference occurs when CPU load is taken into account. 7th Heaven has to run natively on a computer, whereas the Bricasti is a computer, so I doubt the algorithm is truly identical. However, it's pretty darn close!
@@WeissAdvice It's mostly due to the converters, but I also tried running it at a higher sample rate, and the sound got clearer. I always do that when I am rendering.
@@aviatedviewssound4798 this is run AES, no conversion.
Dude this is incredible content- wow. I have never heard you do a shootout before on this channel but you are certainly predisposed to doing it in a very uniquely elegant way.
Would love to see more of this type of content. Not sure if you work with analog when mixing but that would be fun. And blind- always, until the very end. Double blind would be really really cool but more of a pita to set up for you.
I don't typically do a lot of shootouts. I did a VMS vs u87 shootout. Sometimes it's hard to do shootouts because there aren't exactly 1:1 emulations. Like my 1176 is a RevH, which is rarely modeled.
The evil laugh into the “I’m sorry” has me week lmao
Church I prefer C the most on Chamber B or C can work
Interesting- I liked A and C most of the time because of the low end build up on B - A sounded more like a natural room but C is the least intrusive which can be good in a mix that has lots of things on the low mid.
First listen of all 3 Churches and I instantly could pick out all 3 (even having only used 1 of the 3 myself - mixed w pre-printed verb from another). Watched the rest of the video waiting to the end and I was actually right about all 3! Which means 1 of 2 things. Either I got very lucky on this one, or, I can no longer use my monitoring as an excuse for any bad mixes I let slip through. I'm sticking with luck to make myself feel better haha.
I’m guessing that A is the $69 one, it felt too big cluttered and washy, B is the Bricasti and C is the $150 one. I preferred B as it was a bit cleaner and didn’t get in the way of the voice.
Edit: oh damn!
Surprising, right?
My goodness that sounds awesome. Thanks very much for the reviews
The only thing I got right was guessing No 2 was Slate digital. Slate Digital is always somewhat off in their emulations. In recognizable ways
A is my preferred one and I think it may be the real M7. I also think C might be the M7, although I don't like it as much as A.
Great video 🎉. I choose the same a,c,b line up but for different reasons, it’s weird how we differ in taste but end at same outcome. A was not distracting and musically blended, the other 2 had better separation, more do to distraction and crappy math going on in the plugin,C was the preferred in 2nd place. In solo it really stood out, b was not tangible and cadence smeared undesirably, C was the lesser evil.
I’d say it’s worth the money as much as it’s worth mixing at 96k, people can chew on that for a bit.
Happy to say i picked them all correctly 😁 Which version of 7th Heaven was it? Standard or Pro?
Standard.
@@WeissAdvicewow!
I like A and C myself. Don't really care which is which.
My "less liking of B" was based of hearing just reverb soloed. I have the Liquid Sonics plugin but no hardware or Slate Digital so I'm in seventh heaven after the reveal!
What was the name of the microphone again brother? Circle Audio EVO 251?
Yep
I recognize B not being as "wet" and I like in the chorus 3 ...I believe 3 is the hardware.
I’ve been debating getting revoice 5 for its doubler feature in your opinion how does it compare to just to real doubles
I don't think anything beats real doubles with VocAlign - that's the best. As far as an artificial doubler goes I think ReVoice is the best of the bunch - but it's still an artificial doubler at the end of the day.
Without cheating I was right on my guessing of which one was what. I feel good knowing that
B slate because the resonances on the chamber
So does the 5000$ Bracasti do anything that makes it worth having?
Paused at minute 7, my thoughts :
a) I like the B, cleaner with more definition. It sounds like a clear reverb, standard space, nothing much about it. Not bad at all, not too good either.
b) A has some sort of bitcrushing artifact (or that's what I heard) that can sometimes be useful but not really what I like for clean sustained instruments or vocals.
c) I think I'll go for the C for vocals, because it has lower diffusion with obvious delay partials which most of the time can works well with vocals. Not all the time, but I tend to like that type of reverb for vocals.
My choice would be the C I guess. I like low diffusion reverb.
I have both Seventh Heaven and Verbsuite Classic, I use Verbsuite Classic all the time and for Bricasti style reverb I use Reverberate also from LS that comes with free BM7 pack which in my opinion is more versatile and slightly better sounding but a little harder to use.
Will continue watching the video now.
EDIT : Lol, ironically liking the one I didn''t use and the hardware is the one that has "bitcrushing artifact". Is that the converter ?
I'll have to listen again - there's no conversion used it's straight AES connection.
Listening again I don't hear bit crushing - the chorus section I'm deliberately overdriving the preamp, and "A" seems to retain a bit more of the top end. There's a little AAC distortion but I hear that in all examples.
I had hardware pegged fairly early, I honestly don't really know why except there's a certain vibe I was getting in how the reverb was mixing in.
B & C plug-ins, I wasn't able to pick.
I just got Slate and SSL Complete as a trial with plans to go yearly, but I've not gotten to the Mac to load any up. So I'll get to try Verbsuite.
I still like my other hardware emulation, Relab Development LX480 V4 Dual Engine, but that's not going to stop me from trying others.
There will be a some small differences mostly due to the converters.
I feel we're working our way to a Weiss Advice Mixtape lol
LOL - I don't think so. But I am having fun.
I prefered B bigtime, and still do 😊. A full audio spectrum between the dry and wet signal.
A is super clean, B is THICC. you can hear the modulation in that. C is somewhere in the middle but closer to A. I feel like A and B are probably useful to have together because they have a definite colour to them.
A was definitely the best on the church right from the get go, most immersive and deep sounding
UA-cam compresses the sound quality so much that you'll never hear the difference. But trust me, the difference is there. It's not like you still can't use plugins though.
If you can't hear it on UA-cam, then you won't hear it on Spotify. Why bother ?
And to answer your comment, there is an audible difference on youtube between these models, it's not quality difference, it's flavor difference.
@@bakerlefdaoui6801 I can definitely agree to call that a flavor. I’ve experimented a lot and there are situations when some tracks, vocals, instruments will sound so bad under reverb plugins while shining when processed with hardware. The main difference is hardware is always super clean. You’re not adding that muddy rumbling noise each and every time processing your tracks. As a result you get a very transparent mix. It’s a lot harder to mix loud and transparent with a plugin reverb. That’s just what I’ve noticed.
I actually didn’t really like the Bricasti - which I guessed right - I thought the low mids were a little muddy. Slate is recognizable because of the slightly brittle highs, which is the signature sound in most of his software. Seventh Heaven sounds the most balanced in terms of frequency. I would probably use an eq on the Bricasti and the Slate. Thanks for the shootout:)
I agree, I felt I would need to EQ out a bit of low mid, and it was almost "too pretty" for the record. I preferred the Slate because I felt it blended with my vocal better, particularly on the chorus, and had that hair bit of lo-fi ness that felt good to me. 7th Heaven agree 100% felt the most balanced to me as well.
Heard just the first vocal....I guess A is the hardware...listening g thru my phone😊
B deffo my fav
Same here:
Even though I never used a hardware Bricasti, neither do I own the Seventh Heaven... I guessed right from the beginning. I use the Slate one on a daily basis though. Idk how but any reverb I used in the slate collection has like a distinctive footprint let's call it.
Great video. May go buy Seventh Heaven right now
Theres is just that expensive sounding tail thats in A that the others don't have. Its very close though. I really like the voice. Distinct and expressive.
Voice has a good range and is pleasing enough. Obviously lake some assurance and the pitch wonder a bit but I'm thinking with regular practice you could probably sing. I'm no vocal coach mind you but i don't see why not.
If I took it seriously and got some training I could probably get there.
You helped me become better at mixing with all your videos. Just want to say thank you for your works Matthew 🏆
What plugin did you use in the “vac attack vox”?
PA Mixland Vac Attack
@@WeissAdvice thank you
There will always be some small differences, mostly due to the converters.
I liked B the best on both parts. I was focused on his voice and it was the only one which I could really get into his vocals. A sounded a bit weak and C just sounded off with a weird mid tone. However, I bet the Bricasti would sound better with more vocal post processing and louder/denser settings on the reverb
B sounds the most dissonant when it's isolated. It feels like it's "ricocheting" off the "walls" a bit more. I prefer C and then A (very close call). B is good too but it feels more confined and dissonant.
(Greetings from absurd music ideas!)
Whattup!
In order of preference- B,A,C
A & C almost interchangeable - my favorites. B is a little thick for my taste. All good reverbs though - could make a killer mix with any of them.
A & C sounded the same to me, there was something different about B, and I liked B less than A & C.
And there it is, I prefer software reverbs :-) or rather I prefer the sound of Liquidsonics since they make both Verbsuite and Seventh Heaven
A is the Bricasti M7
No cheating - I remember Bricasti always seemed dark and deep to me. Bricasti is C. IDK. Watching now haha
Makes me glad to not have gone with the hardware unit :-)
I think he should have had someone else do the recording and try to compare and guess just like us! :)
I'd love to. I think because I understand the units well enough I would probably guess it the majority of the time - but what I think is any given unit vs what I *prefer the sound of - two different things.
Quite obvious from the beggining. Expensive reverbs give you more transparent sound full of soft highs without overwhelmed mids and lo mids that actually just a noise and masking 80% of your mix so you just have to make it quiter, we have waves for that bs
I like Church A and Chamber B
After finishing the video it’s pretty amazing how close they are and in general not much difference.
I see reverb I click 😌
gotta be honest i thought the plugins sounded better 🤷♂
I bet the order is:
A Seventh Heaven
B Bricasti
C Verbsuite
Now I'll proceed with the video and see if I pick it right
😁
Ok 0/3! Nice try, Sam 😂 BTW I prefer B a little more anyway
A is my favorite
Chris Cornell from Wish killin it hahaja
nice review but omg , karaoke background and bad vocals it makes it so hard to even wanna hear the difference
the vocal
Favorites: B, C, A. Don't care which is hardware.
I won't care to guess, I do know they all sound great.
lol i got the blind test😃
Weak shirt game today, disappointed, I only come here for the shirts.
I know - I think I owe everyone, including myself, an apology. All I can do now is move on and do better in the future.
@@WeissAdvicethanks for taking accountability 😂
C is less wet. I like it more.
C gave me motion sickness.