Another point on form. Borzov still had the form in 1978, but he did not have the speed anymore. There have been a boatload of very fast sprinters with terrible form, Bob Hayes being my favorite. Still, Borzov in slow motion is really something to watch. His feet follow a more circular high tuck path than the typical horizontal oval of the brute speeders.
Valeri was one of my hero's growing up. It didn't matter that he was white. I had many Soviet hero's because I played Chess, Korchnoi, Spasski, Smyslov, Botvinnik, on and on. We black Americans always have the greatest respect for white guys with the ball to compete and defeat us. Borzov would have probably beaten Hart, and Robinson. Nothing can be taken away from Borzov, one of the 10 greatest sprinters ever.
So very true, Lionel. Thank you for your insight and common sense. Borzov was the greatest, and he overcame weight issues to stay on top of his sport. I'm certain Borzov would admire you as well. I LOVED to watch him.
Borzov also employed the Glute Ham Raise to great effect in his training. For me it is Number 1 exercise to improve speed and bulletproof the hamstrings.....if around today, I'd say he'd be a 9.8/19.7 man
Borzov was a machine come Munich '72. The track was pretty soft which is not conducive to sprinters looking for their best times, nevertheless Borzov still managed a 10.07 in his quarter-final (shutting off his efforts with some 10-15m to go) and 20.00 to win the 200m, all at sea-level of course.
It's too bad Hart and Robinson didn't show up that day as I believe Borzov would have beaten them both and avoided all the debate on just how good he really was. His easy 200 meter victory should have proved that to everyone but Americans never want to talk about that race.
Interesting!! Not in the same class...I like the color post about my father.. Helps me learn more about who he was as an athlete as he has always just been a great father to me..thanks!!
I was sprinting in H.S(East Bay) in the Bay Area back in ''72. Followed your father's sprinting career at Cal Berkeley. He was in the same class as Borzov and most of us sprinters thought he was going to beat him. Your dad did get the Gold in the 4x100! I always wondered if your dad was bitter about Stan Wright and missing the quarter-final heat. I know I would be.
"When Blacks were not aloud to compete" Really? I remember as a white sprinter back in the early ''70's going to library for a book on Sprinting Technique. This book highlighted Bobby Joe Morrow's sprinting technique and dominance of the '50's Many photo's showed Morrow as the only white sprinter in the blocks or crossing the finish line with an all black field of sprinters. Two other great white sprinters from the 40's Mel Patton and Hal Davis, competed with blacks sprinters! Eddie Tolan '32!
How can you say that! Hart and Robinson were not in the same class as Borzov in 72 there 9.9 times in the Trials was very Deicieving probably about 10.15/10.20Automatic,Borzov was in 10.00Auto form in 72.
@onefoot7 How can you - or anyone else, for that matter - possibly know whether the two top "Afro-American" sprinters of the era (Eddie Hart and Rey Robinson) would have beaten the great Valeriy Borzov in Munich '72?
May I remind you that, in the 200 metres final at those Olympics, Mr Borzov comprehensively defeated the no. 1 "Afro-American" sprinter in that event (Mr Larry Black).
@onefoot7 Maybe, but maybe also they did not care that much, to be so unconcerned and not review and confirm their running schedules. It was to be the races of their lives, after all.
before we go comparing eras, remember that this was all at a time when everyone was using dbol as a mainstay of their training. give today's sprinters dbol and theyll be running 9.3 or better. and no, u cant compare any designer PED to dbol...even if they are using PEDs, which is still arguable. Back then, dbol doses were written alongside the training plan.
It appears from the video that Taylor was beaten at the Olympic trials by Hart and Robinson by only a little but was soundly defeated by Borzov at the Olympics. I think that says allot. Also, does anyone know if Borzov closed the gap or if Hart stretched it on the final leg of the 4x100 in Munich?? That would say something about their top speed. Is there a definitive video or authority on this?
the names you have mentioned competed way back ago, when blacks were not aloud to compete. Name me one Olympic sprint champion in the 100 meters after Borzov. just want to remind you that Pietro Menea, from Italy declared 20 years after winning his gold medal in the 200 meters sprint that he was under the influence of forbidden substances
@arsenal4274 Valid points, sir. Manual timing, as it was called, was notoriously inaccurate and unreliable; it was particularly suspect when it came to measuring the performances of sprinters (i.e. 100 and 200 metres men/women). If Mr Borzov had competed in the American Olympic trials in July of 1972, the chances are that he would have returned a [manual] time of 9.8 seconds !! (Obviously I realize that, as a Ukranian, he wouldn't have been permitted to compete in the U.S. trials, but ... )
Great footage of this race. Hand times were the worst thing about track and field before fully auto-timing, especially the weird hybrid system they tried using at the 1972 Trials, which still relied on a human to start and stop the timer. You still have human reaction time to account for and human error. It is a quantitative sport. Times and distances should be measured accurately and consistently. I read an article from the December 1972 Track & Field News about the timing used at that Trials. I think it was an aversion to the slower -- however accurate -- full auto times. As a fan, it was a relief when auto-timing became the norm and the 10.11 Harvey Glance ran to win the 1976 Trials was an accurate gauge of his speed and gave context to the 1972 Trials times. Even as a high school sprinter 1973-1976 I resented we did not have the accuracy of auto times and the timer photo. Track has a crazy element and guys lie about their PRs. I was concerned with my performances, not clockings. I ran for the love of the sport and not validation.
@onefoot7 I refer to your somewhat disparaging and dismissive comment about Mr Valeriy Borzov; the great Ukranian sprinter of the 1970's. You claimed that "he would never had [sic] beaten the Afro-American sprinters, no way". May I remind you, sir, that at the Montreal Olympic Games (which took place in July 1976) he defeated TWO "Afro-American" sprinters in the final of the 100 metres sprint. (I refer, of course, to Harvey Glance and Johnny Jones.) And they were "9.9" 100 metres men, too!
Borzov was never turly the fastest man in the world. Bullet Bob Hayes was! Hayes would have been 29 in 1972 an at his sprinting peek. Borzov was fortunate in 1972 because Jim Hines an Bob Hayes both elected to play pro football. Both had documented faster times than Borzov.
@PihaSandDunes I appreciate Borzov and think he was indeed among the greats. However, your comment about "stillness at top speed" is meaningless. Nothing about stillness matters in sprinting. It isn't useful, productive, or notable. It means nothing. Tyson Gay is a rocking, rolling, jerking blur of a top-speed machine. All that movement means nothing too. What matters is going fast. Borzov did it well in his place and time.
Плять, у Корнелюка классный старт, но потом элементарно не хватало мощи... а Борзов совершенно отчётливо своими результатами в то время сигнализировал, что будущее - за АТЛЕТАМИ. Хотя, по своему личному опыту (будучи худосочным 17-летним резвым подростком), выдавая стабильно на асфальте и гари в простых кедах (!) что-то порядка 10,7...10,9, могу судить, что с хорошей обувкой, с хорошими тренерами и на хорошем покрытии было бы что-то другое. Как, к слову, и у Борзова. Тех времён - 40-летней давности - 10,07 вполне сродни нынешним 9,67. Нест па?
Олег Мармута по асфальту 10.7 ну ну. Еще и в 17 лет. Так ты должен был в шипах и по норм дорожке бежатт 10.0. А пару лет потренироваться а за 9.5 бежать. Сказочник
А Джим Хайнс пробежавший в Мехико в 1968 г. - 9,95 сек. Это равносильно 8 секундам ныне? Смешно и не убедительно. Борзов ни разу так и не установил мирового рекорда. Хороший быстрый бегун, но не рекордсмен. Таких без проблем можно набрать дюжину. Взять того же Оуэнса, олимпионика-1936, так он по твоему разумению мог бы пробегать и за 7 сек.
@DAVWAVE I'm sorry. You'll have to a be much more specific and interesting in your commentary if you expect to have a conversation with me. If you reply to this comment, have salient, tangible points to offer. Otherwise, don't bother. Thanks.
I talked with Valerie Borzov in 2013 -2015 and published long interviews. He is very smart person with excellent sense of humour
Another point on form. Borzov still had the form in 1978, but he did not have the speed anymore. There have been a boatload of very fast sprinters with terrible form, Bob Hayes being my favorite. Still, Borzov in slow motion is really something to watch. His feet follow a more circular high tuck path than the typical horizontal oval of the brute speeders.
Valeri was one of my hero's growing up. It didn't matter that he was white. I had many Soviet hero's because I played Chess, Korchnoi, Spasski, Smyslov, Botvinnik, on and on.
We black Americans always have the greatest respect for white guys with the ball to compete and defeat us.
Borzov would have probably beaten Hart, and Robinson. Nothing can be taken away from Borzov, one of the 10 greatest sprinters ever.
So very true, Lionel. Thank you for your insight and common sense. Borzov was the greatest, and he overcame weight issues to stay on top of his sport. I'm certain Borzov would admire you as well. I LOVED to watch him.
Я тоже бегал 800 м . Мог бежать и не уставал, мог ещё быстрее, как ветер и не знал предела. Но ты Юра это показал, браво.
was always and will always be my idol.
as far as i'm concerned he will be the greatest springer of ALL TIMES.
Borzov also employed the Glute Ham Raise to great effect in his training. For me it is Number 1 exercise to improve speed and bulletproof the hamstrings.....if around today, I'd say he'd be a 9.8/19.7 man
Borzov was a machine come Munich '72. The track was pretty soft which is not conducive to sprinters looking for their best times, nevertheless Borzov still managed a 10.07 in his quarter-final (shutting off his efforts with some 10-15m to go) and 20.00 to win the 200m, all at sea-level of course.
It's too bad Hart and Robinson didn't show up that day as I believe Borzov would have beaten them both and avoided all the debate on just how good he really was. His easy 200 meter victory should have proved that to everyone but Americans never want to talk about that race.
Interesting!! Not in the same class...I like the color post about my father.. Helps me learn more about who he was as an athlete as he has always just been a great father to me..thanks!!
I was sprinting in H.S(East Bay) in the Bay Area back in ''72. Followed your father's sprinting career at Cal Berkeley. He was in the same class as Borzov and most of us sprinters thought he was going to beat him. Your dad did get the Gold in the 4x100! I always wondered if your dad was bitter about Stan Wright and missing the quarter-final heat. I know I would be.
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"When Blacks were not aloud to compete" Really? I remember as a white sprinter back in the early ''70's going to library for a book on Sprinting Technique. This book highlighted Bobby Joe Morrow's sprinting technique and dominance of the '50's Many photo's showed Morrow as the only white sprinter in the blocks or crossing the finish line with an all black field of sprinters. Two other great white sprinters from the 40's Mel Patton and Hal Davis, competed with blacks sprinters! Eddie Tolan '32!
How can you say that! Hart and Robinson were not in the same class as Borzov in 72 there 9.9 times in the Trials was very Deicieving probably about 10.15/10.20Automatic,Borzov was in 10.00Auto form in 72.
@onefoot7 How can you - or anyone else, for that matter - possibly know whether the two top "Afro-American" sprinters of the era (Eddie Hart and Rey Robinson) would have beaten the great Valeriy Borzov in Munich '72?
May I remind you that, in the 200 metres final at those Olympics, Mr Borzov comprehensively defeated the no. 1 "Afro-American" sprinter in that event (Mr Larry Black).
@onefoot7
Maybe, but maybe also they did not care that much, to be so unconcerned and not review and confirm their running schedules. It was to be the races of their lives, after all.
before we go comparing eras, remember that this was all at a time when everyone was using dbol as a mainstay of their training. give today's sprinters dbol and theyll be running 9.3 or better. and no, u cant compare any designer PED to dbol...even if they are using PEDs, which is still arguable. Back then, dbol doses were written alongside the training plan.
Thanks for the comment ,I also believe he was the Best Sprinter isadly never got to see him run live.
Very nice..:) Thank you:)
Cool having an Olympic champ for a dad! Does he still run? Wasn't he masters world record holder?
It appears from the video that Taylor was beaten at the Olympic trials by Hart and Robinson by only a little but was soundly defeated by Borzov at the Olympics. I think that says allot.
Also, does anyone know if Borzov closed the gap or if Hart stretched it on the final leg of the 4x100 in Munich?? That would say something about their top speed. Is there a definitive video or authority on this?
I believe the Munich 4x100 is on you tube
the names you have mentioned competed way back ago, when blacks were not aloud to compete. Name me one Olympic sprint champion in the 100 meters after Borzov. just want to remind you that Pietro Menea, from Italy declared 20 years after winning his gold medal in the 200 meters sprint that he was under the influence of forbidden substances
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@arsenal4274 Valid points, sir. Manual timing, as it was called, was notoriously inaccurate and unreliable; it was particularly suspect when it came to measuring the performances of sprinters (i.e. 100 and 200 metres men/women).
If Mr Borzov had competed in the American Olympic trials in July of 1972, the chances are that he would have returned a [manual] time of 9.8 seconds !! (Obviously I realize that, as a Ukranian, he wouldn't have been permitted to compete in the U.S. trials, but ... )
Great footage of this race. Hand times were the worst thing about track and field before fully auto-timing, especially the weird hybrid system they tried using at the 1972 Trials, which still relied on a human to start and stop the timer. You still have human reaction time to account for and human error. It is a quantitative sport. Times and distances should be measured accurately and consistently. I read an article from the December 1972 Track & Field News about the timing used at that Trials. I think it was an aversion to the slower -- however accurate -- full auto times. As a fan, it was a relief when auto-timing became the norm and the 10.11 Harvey Glance ran to win the 1976 Trials was an accurate gauge of his speed and gave context to the 1972 Trials times. Even as a high school sprinter 1973-1976 I resented we did not have the accuracy of auto times and the timer photo. Track has a crazy element and guys lie about their PRs. I was concerned with my performances, not clockings. I ran for the love of the sport and not validation.
@onefoot7 I refer to your somewhat disparaging and dismissive comment about Mr Valeriy Borzov; the great Ukranian sprinter of the 1970's. You claimed that "he would never had [sic] beaten the Afro-American sprinters, no way".
May I remind you, sir, that at the Montreal Olympic Games (which took place in July 1976) he defeated TWO "Afro-American" sprinters in the final of the 100 metres sprint. (I refer, of course, to Harvey Glance and Johnny Jones.) And they were "9.9" 100 metres men, too!
Borzov was never turly the fastest man in the world. Bullet Bob Hayes was! Hayes would have been 29 in 1972 an at his sprinting peek. Borzov was fortunate in 1972 because Jim Hines an Bob Hayes both elected to play pro football. Both had documented faster times than Borzov.
I mean no disrespect by my comments I am simply stating tbe facts.
@PihaSandDunes
I appreciate Borzov and think he was indeed among the greats. However, your comment about "stillness at top speed" is meaningless. Nothing about stillness matters in sprinting. It isn't useful, productive, or notable. It means nothing. Tyson Gay is a rocking, rolling, jerking blur of a top-speed machine. All that movement means nothing too. What matters is going fast. Borzov did it well in his place and time.
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Плять, у Корнелюка классный старт, но потом элементарно не хватало мощи... а Борзов совершенно отчётливо своими результатами в то время сигнализировал, что будущее - за АТЛЕТАМИ. Хотя, по своему личному опыту (будучи худосочным 17-летним резвым подростком), выдавая стабильно на асфальте и гари в простых кедах (!) что-то порядка 10,7...10,9, могу судить, что с хорошей обувкой, с хорошими тренерами и на хорошем покрытии было бы что-то другое. Как, к слову, и у Борзова. Тех времён - 40-летней давности - 10,07 вполне сродни нынешним 9,67. Нест па?
Олег Мармута по асфальту 10.7 ну ну. Еще и в 17 лет. Так ты должен был в шипах и по норм дорожке бежатт 10.0. А пару лет потренироваться а за 9.5 бежать. Сказочник
Ясен пень. Попрыгай-ка нонешние высотники в яму с песком? Какой там, к хренам, "флоп" тогда
А Джим Хайнс пробежавший в Мехико в 1968 г. - 9,95 сек. Это равносильно 8 секундам ныне? Смешно и не убедительно. Борзов ни разу так и не установил мирового рекорда. Хороший быстрый бегун, но не рекордсмен. Таких без проблем можно набрать дюжину. Взять того же Оуэнса, олимпионика-1936, так он по твоему разумению мог бы пробегать и за 7 сек.
@DAVWAVE
I'm sorry. You'll have to a be much more specific and interesting in your commentary if you expect to have a conversation with me. If you reply to this comment, have salient, tangible points to offer. Otherwise, don't bother. Thanks.
SO NAME ONE WHITE GUY WHO BIT THE BLACKS AFTER MUNICH IN AN OLYPIMC FINAL COMPETITION !
Jacobs.😁😁
They only played football after the 60ies and 70ies. There was no money in track and field for fast guys
he would never had beaten the Afro-American sprinters, no way
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