I started really liking the gi at first, but as someone who doesn't train super often anymore cuz I'm a baby making machine but has a buddy nearby that will let me drill, I'm way more attracted to no gi lately. Its simpler. Your open guard options are more limited which makes it easier to focus. You don't get caught in black belt grips. Danaher and Gordon's instructionals make for easy material to implement. And it's easier to convince a friend to let me drill no gi then it is to have him put on a gi. Less barrier to entry. Also leg locks are fun. I'd love more videos like this, Keenan. Your thoughts are always interesting
I respect your opinion and I have trained both, but I heavily prefer nogi because I'm 150lb, in the gi my 200lb partners almost always win grip battles and can manipulate me much easier, in nogi I would say there's a much higher value on timing and accuracy which requires a different tactic, also being smaller can help in no gi because the big guys have to be more accurate with their attack and most of time defense is easier since I'm a faster and more accurate submissionist
I love no gi I think because I weigh 130 pounds and in the gi I feel like I get annoyed way more because people just hang on to you so you're just playing tug of war. It's not fun
Keenan ily, also gi and no gi are just different sports now, no point in comparing them. You know how to learn, that's what you're good at, if you want to beat the top level at no gi you know how to, I just think you don't enjoy it as much. Just compete in what you like, that's what I do 🤺🤺
I'm not sure I agree that I agree with your original assessment that no-gi requires you to be more physically in tune with your body than the gi, and I'm not really even sure that I agree with the rather common opinion that no-gi is less complicated. I think its true that no-gi generally requires more cario, but I kinda feel like the gi requires more static/isometric strength than no-gi. There are tradeoffs, sure, but I don't think that it really even changes things that much. Sure, granted, the grip game is SIGNIFICANTLY more complicated, but one thing in the gi that is SIGNIFICANTLY less complicated are the leg entanglements. If you've ever worked on heel-hooks and other real footlocks in the gi (which most people don't because of stupid ibjjf rules), those moves are WAY easier to grasp in the gi than in no-gi, and therefore you require way less mastery of those positions in the gi for them to be effective. However, I do see where you're coming from, and the biggest shame about no-gi vs gi is that people feel as though its one or the other, and I completely agree with your assessment that no-gi purists really do themselves a disservice when they won't even put on a gi. I wasn't a great wrestler, but being a dII college wrestler, I have a ton of respect for the gi, simply because its so cool all the ways that you can use clothing to aid in your grappling. It really does change the game significantly, but at the same time its the same game. It really is just cool, and while I understand the desire to win competitions and dominate (coming from that mentality developed in wrestling), I also feel like its ok to just appreciate grappling for its own sake and just look at all the cool shit we can do. Coincidentally, this is also the reason why I think the rules in the ibjjf banning so many submissions ends up being kinda dumb. Neck cranks are cool. Heel hooks are cool. Spinal locks are cool. Are they fundamental techniques that should be focused on the lower belts? Maybe not, so I can see the argument for banning them at lower belt levels. But the idea that a neck crank is "too dangerous" for black belts to preform is absolutely absurd. The very fact that these moves are dangerous is what makes them cool, I mean, that is the idea of a submission afterall to seriously injure the opponent if they do not submit. That's the point, and that point is there be it a Kimura or a heel hook. I literally see no difference. This has turned into my own kinda rant, but I really think the key to this is to appreciate grappling for grapplings sake. Do it with clothes on, do it without clothes on, they're both highly intricate crafts, but to act like one is "superior" such that you don't even participate in the other isn't hurting anyone except your own imagination. Seriously, I've only been doing jiujitsu for 3 1/2 years, and I'm only a purple belt, but my mind is blown and see cool shit that I didn't see before every training session--and that includes my folkstyle wrestling too. Its all so incredibly fun, I just cannot imagine anyone not enjoying any of these options. Sure, they all have their cons in their own way, and pros in their own way, but they're all amazing crafts that just have no limit to how amazing this shit is.
I would push back on the motif that a limited art (no-gi) poses less technicality versus a less limited art(gi). You would have to suppose that all avenues and frameworks of technicality are exhausted in the limited art and therefore only a select number of the winningest techniques are used and the difference is made in the athletic part of the match up since technique equals technique here. There even might be some evidence to that, as keenan has observed the same techniques being pulled off in the highest level of no-gi competition. I would propose that that point has not been reached because even though the number of 'techniques' seemingly are fewer in no-gi, the complexity inwards also seems to be higher. For example lets compare boxing and kick-boxing. Boxing is more limited in its resources (i.e. you have less weapons to do with) vs kick-boxing, where you have to 2 more limbs. But would any boxing/kickboxing expert argue that boxing is less technical and therefore more about athleticism since it is more limited ?? The limitation might actually make boxing MORE technical than kickboxing, at least when it comes to the punching part. Would we know the philly shell or the pendulum step and the intricacies in footwork had we not limited ourselves to not kicking? A similar comparison can be made between greco-roman and freestyle wrestling. Their are less number of techniques in greco roman, sure. Does that inherently mean that the differentiator in the highest forms of greco-roman is athleticism ? especially a degree of athleticism that is vastly different to what differentiates the cream in the freestyle world?? In short, i think limitations actually make a sport more technical and demand far more creativity of top athletes. It is also possible that that is the theory and in reality that has not been observed in the real world of no-gi competitions.
I think there is something to be said in no gi when it becomes a swamp battle. You gotta be so sharp and the game changes dramatically just from being dry compared to drenched in sweat but in the gi that never changes. I like both. I’d like a gym where we can do 50/50 gi, no gi.
I love both but how much of the complexity of the GI can be developed in a time limited match if the game is stopped constantly by grips? The GI game has potentially more techniques but in NO GI there is much less chance of stalling, therefore more quantity of moves and countermoves have to be felt to the point that in practice it might end up being the more complex of the two.
Gi Jiu jitsu is not just harder and more technical… gi Jiu jitsu is amazing because it takes away the opponents attributes and makes him rely on the technique such as grips which is one of many differences offensively and defensively…. Not to mention, 95% of the no gi scene are gi competitors competing no gi. Literally new wave and b team are the only “no gi teams” lol…. And, bondoni is technically a gi guy from Lucas lepri… meregali, gi guy lol
Example… Nicky rod won no gi worlds from his attributes, not his techniques. He couldn’t win blue belt gi worlds right now as a brown belt, in the gi. (Mundials) he wouldn’t even make podium.
Gi jujitsu is bullshit. I love training in the gi but I never grab the gi. The gi is simply a uniform you train in. The gi is not jujitsu in and of itself. Jujitsu is gi agnostic.
Ok, I don't necessarily disagree, but if its something that you're wearing while grappling, then why not use it to your advantage? Seems like you're willingly handicapping yourself for no reason.
@@insidetrip101 because I train for self defense and exercise not sport. In the event of me needing to defend myself I don't want to rely on some piece of fabric that may not be present. For me it's about the lowest common denominator i.e. arms legs neck etc. again I love training in the gi and I think nogi training is nearly as unrealistic for self defense because of the slip and slide effect nogi has. The gi absorbs this excessive sweat and allows fights to maintain a baseline of friction no matter how long you train. I also wanna just say the only reason the gi was worn is because the kimono was the garb of its day.
@@randyogue2032 " In the event of me needing to defend myself I don't want to rely on some piece of fabric that may not be present. " I understand that, but if something is present, and you're not using it, then you're putting yourself at a disadvantage. Its like if you get jumped, and there's a knife there, and you think "oh that knife might not be there the next time I get jumped, so I won't use it," and then your assailant picks it up and stabs you because you didn't take advantage of your situation in the name of "self defense." That makes no sense. If you're training for self defense, not only should you be training gi, and no-gi, but you should also be training with blue jeans, a suit, with your side arm, etc, etc. To do otherwise is actually to make your training into more "sport" than what I'm doing, because you're ignoring all of the crazy shit that could potentially happen in a self defense scenario and only focusing on grappling. You're making even less sense than you did at the start. "I also wanna just say the only reason the gi was worn is because the kimono was the garb of its day." Yeah, those ancient people wearing pants and jackets. They really did have a crazy sense of style way back when. Things have definitely changed a lot.
You're the reason I decided to continue my BJJ journey. Thank you for all of your videos!
That’s great to hear. Thanks a lot!
Keenan if you tuck your shirt in, your shirt is tucked in. If you don't tuck your shirt in, are your pants tucked in? Very important question.
Having both Gi and Nogi makes the art more beautiful
I think you should make a t-shirt that says “Some of my Best Friends Train in No-Gi.”
🤣🤣🤣
I started really liking the gi at first, but as someone who doesn't train super often anymore cuz I'm a baby making machine but has a buddy nearby that will let me drill, I'm way more attracted to no gi lately.
Its simpler. Your open guard options are more limited which makes it easier to focus. You don't get caught in black belt grips. Danaher and Gordon's instructionals make for easy material to implement. And it's easier to convince a friend to let me drill no gi then it is to have him put on a gi. Less barrier to entry. Also leg locks are fun.
I'd love more videos like this, Keenan. Your thoughts are always interesting
Keenith do you think we can train heel hooks in the gi or gi pants without the universe self imploding ?
In gi, you can see and consider possibilities more. - There is more mental game
I respect your opinion and I have trained both, but I heavily prefer nogi because I'm 150lb, in the gi my 200lb partners almost always win grip battles and can manipulate me much easier, in nogi I would say there's a much higher value on timing and accuracy which requires a different tactic, also being smaller can help in no gi because the big guys have to be more accurate with their attack and most of time defense is easier since I'm a faster and more accurate submissionist
I love no gi I think because I weigh 130 pounds and in the gi I feel like I get annoyed way more because people just hang on to you so you're just playing tug of war. It's not fun
140 Here,i feel the Same
Gi is only fun with ppl in my weightclass or lower.
I wonder how Caio Terra and Bruno Malfacini feel?
thanks bro
Are you planning to be an active competitor again?
Keenan ily, also gi and no gi are just different sports now, no point in comparing them. You know how to learn, that's what you're good at, if you want to beat the top level at no gi you know how to, I just think you don't enjoy it as much. Just compete in what you like, that's what I do 🤺🤺
Massive Gi fan, predominately train with the Gi it is very technical, I find no Gi really boring and simplistic.
@Keenan Cornelius does that work? You should read the book thinking fast and slow. Or just look into the topic.
Also. Order vs chaos
I'm not sure I agree that I agree with your original assessment that no-gi requires you to be more physically in tune with your body than the gi, and I'm not really even sure that I agree with the rather common opinion that no-gi is less complicated.
I think its true that no-gi generally requires more cario, but I kinda feel like the gi requires more static/isometric strength than no-gi. There are tradeoffs, sure, but I don't think that it really even changes things that much. Sure, granted, the grip game is SIGNIFICANTLY more complicated, but one thing in the gi that is SIGNIFICANTLY less complicated are the leg entanglements. If you've ever worked on heel-hooks and other real footlocks in the gi (which most people don't because of stupid ibjjf rules), those moves are WAY easier to grasp in the gi than in no-gi, and therefore you require way less mastery of those positions in the gi for them to be effective.
However, I do see where you're coming from, and the biggest shame about no-gi vs gi is that people feel as though its one or the other, and I completely agree with your assessment that no-gi purists really do themselves a disservice when they won't even put on a gi.
I wasn't a great wrestler, but being a dII college wrestler, I have a ton of respect for the gi, simply because its so cool all the ways that you can use clothing to aid in your grappling. It really does change the game significantly, but at the same time its the same game. It really is just cool, and while I understand the desire to win competitions and dominate (coming from that mentality developed in wrestling), I also feel like its ok to just appreciate grappling for its own sake and just look at all the cool shit we can do. Coincidentally, this is also the reason why I think the rules in the ibjjf banning so many submissions ends up being kinda dumb. Neck cranks are cool. Heel hooks are cool. Spinal locks are cool. Are they fundamental techniques that should be focused on the lower belts? Maybe not, so I can see the argument for banning them at lower belt levels. But the idea that a neck crank is "too dangerous" for black belts to preform is absolutely absurd. The very fact that these moves are dangerous is what makes them cool, I mean, that is the idea of a submission afterall to seriously injure the opponent if they do not submit. That's the point, and that point is there be it a Kimura or a heel hook. I literally see no difference.
This has turned into my own kinda rant, but I really think the key to this is to appreciate grappling for grapplings sake. Do it with clothes on, do it without clothes on, they're both highly intricate crafts, but to act like one is "superior" such that you don't even participate in the other isn't hurting anyone except your own imagination. Seriously, I've only been doing jiujitsu for 3 1/2 years, and I'm only a purple belt, but my mind is blown and see cool shit that I didn't see before every training session--and that includes my folkstyle wrestling too. Its all so incredibly fun, I just cannot imagine anyone not enjoying any of these options. Sure, they all have their cons in their own way, and pros in their own way, but they're all amazing crafts that just have no limit to how amazing this shit is.
Yessir!
I would push back on the motif that a limited art (no-gi) poses less technicality versus a less limited art(gi). You would have to suppose that all avenues and frameworks of technicality are exhausted in the limited art and therefore only a select number of the winningest techniques are used and the difference is made in the athletic part of the match up since technique equals technique here. There even might be some evidence to that, as keenan has observed the same techniques being pulled off in the highest level of no-gi competition.
I would propose that that point has not been reached because even though the number of 'techniques' seemingly are fewer in no-gi, the complexity inwards also seems to be higher.
For example lets compare boxing and kick-boxing. Boxing is more limited in its resources (i.e. you have less weapons to do with) vs kick-boxing, where you have to 2 more limbs. But would any boxing/kickboxing expert argue that boxing is less technical and therefore more about athleticism since it is more limited ?? The limitation might actually make boxing MORE technical than kickboxing, at least when it comes to the punching part. Would we know the philly shell or the pendulum step and the intricacies in footwork had we not limited ourselves to not kicking?
A similar comparison can be made between greco-roman and freestyle wrestling. Their are less number of techniques in greco roman, sure. Does that inherently mean that the differentiator in the highest forms of greco-roman is athleticism ? especially a degree of athleticism that is vastly different to what differentiates the cream in the freestyle world??
In short, i think limitations actually make a sport more technical and demand far more creativity of top athletes. It is also possible that that is the theory and in reality that has not been observed in the real world of no-gi competitions.
I think there is something to be said in no gi when it becomes a swamp battle. You gotta be so sharp and the game changes dramatically just from being dry compared to drenched in sweat but in the gi that never changes. I like both. I’d like a gym where we can do 50/50 gi, no gi.
Nogi guys are like fish out of water in gi. They’re so clueless.
Gi guys can transition to nogi much easier.
Anything in nogi can be done in gi but not the other way around. I've seen more people struggle to take off the gi
I like training gi and no gi. Why pick sides, they’re both fun to do
I love both but how much of the complexity of the GI can be developed in a time limited match if the game is stopped constantly by grips? The GI game has potentially more techniques but in NO GI there is much less chance of stalling, therefore more quantity of moves and countermoves have to be felt to the point that in practice it might end up being the more complex of the two.
Gi Jiu jitsu is not just harder and more technical… gi Jiu jitsu is amazing because it takes away the opponents attributes and makes him rely on the technique such as grips which is one of many differences offensively and defensively…. Not to mention, 95% of the no gi scene are gi competitors competing no gi. Literally new wave and b team are the only “no gi teams” lol…. And, bondoni is technically a gi guy from Lucas lepri… meregali, gi guy lol
Example… Nicky rod won no gi worlds from his attributes, not his techniques. He couldn’t win blue belt gi worlds right now as a brown belt, in the gi. (Mundials) he wouldn’t even make podium.
It's all the same
Gi jujitsu is bullshit. I love training in the gi but I never grab the gi. The gi is simply a uniform you train in. The gi is not jujitsu in and of itself. Jujitsu is gi agnostic.
Ok, I don't necessarily disagree, but if its something that you're wearing while grappling, then why not use it to your advantage? Seems like you're willingly handicapping yourself for no reason.
Establish a grip….feel the rush 😂
@@insidetrip101 because I train for self defense and exercise not sport. In the event of me needing to defend myself I don't want to rely on some piece of fabric that may not be present. For me it's about the lowest common denominator i.e. arms legs neck etc.
again I love training in the gi and I think nogi training is nearly as unrealistic for self defense because of the slip and slide effect nogi has. The gi absorbs this excessive sweat and allows fights to maintain a baseline of friction no matter how long you train.
I also wanna just say the only reason the gi was worn is because the kimono was the garb of its day.
Also look at the fingers and knuckles of heavy gi focused black belts...that's nasty and not conducive to longevity in the art.
@@randyogue2032 " In the event of me needing to defend myself I don't want to rely on some piece of fabric that may not be present. "
I understand that, but if something is present, and you're not using it, then you're putting yourself at a disadvantage. Its like if you get jumped, and there's a knife there, and you think "oh that knife might not be there the next time I get jumped, so I won't use it," and then your assailant picks it up and stabs you because you didn't take advantage of your situation in the name of "self defense."
That makes no sense. If you're training for self defense, not only should you be training gi, and no-gi, but you should also be training with blue jeans, a suit, with your side arm, etc, etc. To do otherwise is actually to make your training into more "sport" than what I'm doing, because you're ignoring all of the crazy shit that could potentially happen in a self defense scenario and only focusing on grappling.
You're making even less sense than you did at the start.
"I also wanna just say the only reason the gi was worn is because the kimono was the garb of its day."
Yeah, those ancient people wearing pants and jackets. They really did have a crazy sense of style way back when. Things have definitely changed a lot.
Ju jitsu is for self defense therefore you must do BOTH gi and no gi. Nogi purists are annoying!!!!! >=(