3:17 I honestly don't know why they didn't send out the CM5 more widely. It's not only an industrial product, tons of cool consumer devices and hacks devices use CM too!
Why? What's the technical reasoning behind you needing that kind of specification in a small form factor computing device? What did people like you do about computers before NVME?
@@terrydaktyllus1320 still flogging that dead horse I see :p Never change your ways because why should anyone want anything different from your opinion 🤡
@@engineer9975 "Because NVMes are faster and more stable than both emmc and micro sds" They are theoretically faster when you have enough CPU power and bus speeds to drive them, but Lee here has already proven in a recent video that their benefit on SBC form-factors is minimal. Don't you watch his videos, then?
If the Raspberry Pi is now offered with 16 GBs, isn't it a genuine embarrassment that Apple has only just started welding-in the same amount of RAM as a minimum?! I guess they should have named them Apple Pi's instead!!!
@@WR3ND Actually, the Raspberry Pi is far more like what the Macintosh USED TO BE, than current Macs are. I was a 35+ year Mac devotee. Now, most of my machines run Linux, including my Raspberry Pi 4 with 8 GBs of RAM.
There's an Orange Pi 3w that comes with up to 4GB RAM - however, most of the audience here wouldn't have a clue what to do with it because there's probably not a step-by-step video showing them how to put Linux on it.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 That's the biggest problem with most of the non-Pi SBCs. The hardware is absolutely there but they don't seem interested in supporting it from the software side. I have an Orange Pi 5 Plus 16GB. I got the 256GB eMMC module for it and it was fine to get Linux installed for, but despite on paper being way better than the Pi5 (and even in benchmarks, being way faster), the Pi5 just 'feels' faster and more polished because the OS and drivers are actually thoughtfully put together. Seems like all the RK stuff is Android first, Linux is just a 'We'll make it work, but everything else is on the community.' It's so frustrating to see the Android images crank through 4K video with ease, but you try and do it in Linux and it's a janky mess.
@@leadfarmer5563 Yes, I agree with you on that. I'd even go a stage further and say that I think the Pi Foundation has made the mistake of abandoning the "Zero" form factor because, for me, that's the most interesting Pi form factor for me (though the Pi 400 and 500 are great for Amiga and other 16-bit computer emulation).
I managed to get a brand new Pi-Top 3 when they were being cleared out online. Cost me £45.60 in July 2022. Still in it's box waiting for me to get time to have a tinker!
It was about time to release the 16 GB model. That's what I need for general purpose computing, 21st century style (see lots of open tabs, virtualization and many other stuff). Thanks for the good news!
Don't forget we have the Rock C5 16GB and the 32GB variants sporting an RK3588 that will compete directly with the Pi 5. The 16 GB Pi alone won't be enough IMO. We need more from the Pi foundation.
I have seen some form factors that this will be a game changer in. Basically a handheld multipurpose device that consolidates all of your computing needs.
Depending on the GPU, 16 gigs could be good for low-end linux gaming with Steam. I'm running 16 gig on a 4 core 4 thread Linux Mint gaming PC and it does pretty well. Could be a plus for retro games too. If the Pi 5 16 gig works well, I may just use it to replace my current PC.
Der pi5 kam für mich viel zu spät. Habe einen Mele Mini pc (passiv) für das gleiche Geld und bin viel flexibler. Meinen pi400 nutze ich nur noch ab und zu als nas für Backups.
So I like to use my Raspberry Pi as a PC desktop. My favorite OS to install and use on a daily basis is FydeOS. I also like to keep a Raspberry Pi OS to download and install other OS to try, like I want to try Endeavour OS on my Raspberry Pi. The 16 GB of RAM to me is more of a desktop RAM amount, definitely better than the old 4 GB choice. So for me it is a great option, and for me to have more choices for the Raspberry Pi 5 to install and run desktop OS's.
I hope the rumour of a 16GB proves true, yet I also hope the price of the 16GB isn't abusively dear... Otherwise, I'll keep soldiering on with my Rpi4 and Rpi5 8GB models just fine, thanks. In fact, I use my Rpi4 as a music server, because of the 3.5mm jack. I doubt we'll ever see a new Pi with that jack built-in from the factory...
@@terrydaktyllus1320 I would like to think I privacy minded individual would respect that not everyone wants their projects on the internet. But as an example running steamos which is slated to be released at some point.
I would like to have a 16 GB RAM Pi5 to set it up to do the compiling for me, and do it on a RAM Disk, so there's no SSD wear (and it's also faster). Though for the pain points, I mean, the big projects, like Chromium, I still don't have a solution, as it would need 14, preferably 20 GB of space just for the tmpfs, then another 3+ GB of so of RAM for the compile itself. I think I'll have to make my own filesystem in order to make a tmpfs spread over 2-3 Raspberry Pis, like, say, 2 of them with 10 GB each, leaving 6 GB of RAM, so 2 threads per Pi left to do compiling. That way I can have a low-power silent box that will do the compiling part and allow my big old laptop to use Gentoo without compiling, just getting the binaries directly AND still completely tailored for my CPU and use cases. At least I dream so.
Thought the Pi-top was discontinued couple of years ago and it was over $250, that picture was the version 2, the version 1 had the track pad to the right of the keyboard. I went to get one over two years ago and it never seem to ship, then found out from adafruit it was no more. Take it this would have been a used one if they had it
@leepspvideo probably not. Idk. I got it off of their website and I don't think it's necessarily headless or the server version but I liked the other version that they had before they decided to discontinue using it but I can't seem to get that version to work. It keeps crashing during the setup process.
i use my pi for hosting mc servers so it will come in handy for that reason even with the 8gb is good enough but 16 i could host a full waterfall server with hubs instead of a single server
I need help with my raspberry pi 5 not turning on or booting have power going to it when I plug in there’s touchscreen into the gpio pin the screen and screen fan come on but the lights is solid red I did plug a mouse and keyboard with no os on it
Has anyone tried to install Windows 10 or 11 on a Pi 5 recently ? When I tried the Wor flasher, the image is written to the sd card but the Pi 5 doesnt boot.
"Has anyone tried to install Windows 10 or 11 on a Pi 5 recently ?" I can confirm that I have never tried to install any form of bloated and privacy-hating "double numerical digit" Windows on any kind of computer, let alone try crowbarring it onto a Raspberry Pi. I have also never had to seek psychological counseling either. I believe those two facts are probably related.
@@BillyNoMates1974 You can save more money and your privacy by not running bloated and privacy-hating Windows on Raspberry Pi's. You'll get far better results with Linux.
16 GB of RAM with 4x Cortex A76 2.4GHz isn't worth it. If it was like an Orange PI 5 with Rocketchip 3588s with 4x Cortex A76 2.4Ghz + 4x Cortex A55 1.8 GHz it would be worth it.
Mathematica from Wolfram Research would be outstanding on the 16GB RPi5. Stephen Wolfram announced this port back in 2013 -- back in the days of the RPi Model B. Things are quite peppy on the Pi 5, and they should be even faster on this 16GB version. Wolfram cut over to a 64-bit version several years ago. Mathematica costs $250+/year; I'm somewhat surprised they allow this free version that would work just fine for many users.
Looking forward to the CM5 video. I just can't see what the CM5 does that the standard Pi 5 doesn't. When you factor in the IO board, CM5 is bigger, same cost, same functionality AFAIK.
I guess those who enjoy crowbarring bloated and privacy-hating Windows onto a Raspberry Pi will be pleased, they need all the RAM (and therapy) that they can get. But for a properly optimised Linux system? Meh, 8GB is more than enough.
3:17 I honestly don't know why they didn't send out the CM5 more widely. It's not only an industrial product, tons of cool consumer devices and hacks devices use CM too!
Limiting number of units shipping?
CMs are the best and using the same interface between the 4 and 5 lets everyone just swap and potentially have improved performance with no work
*siigh* more wallet damage (compulsive pi purchase-itis)
They like to think it is. Ducks in a row and all that. Great, proper British sensibilities. 😏 Cheers.
@@WR3ND The British have too much affinity for order. Need a little more chaos haha
I would love a Raspberry Pi 500 with 16GB and a NVMe SSD
Why? What's the technical reasoning behind you needing that kind of specification in a small form factor computing device? What did people like you do about computers before NVME?
@@terrydaktyllus1320 still flogging that dead horse I see :p
Never change your ways because why should anyone want anything different from your opinion 🤡
Because NVMes are faster and more stable than both emmc and micro sds
@@engineer9975 "Because NVMes are faster and more stable than both emmc and micro sds"
They are theoretically faster when you have enough CPU power and bus speeds to drive them, but Lee here has already proven in a recent video that their benefit on SBC form-factors is minimal.
Don't you watch his videos, then?
@@terrydaktyllus1320just gonna ignore the more stable part? I thankfully haven’t had an NVMe die on me but I’ve had dozens if not hundreds of SDs
If the Raspberry Pi is now offered with 16 GBs, isn't it a genuine embarrassment that Apple has only just started welding-in the same amount of RAM as a minimum?! I guess they should have named them Apple Pi's instead!!!
No, the people that use Apple products have other priorities...
@@WR3ND Actually, the Raspberry Pi is far more like what the Macintosh USED TO BE, than current Macs are. I was a 35+ year Mac devotee. Now, most of my machines run Linux, including my Raspberry Pi 4 with 8 GBs of RAM.
Apple is trash.
we need raspberry pi zero 3w with 1 gb ram
There's an Orange Pi 3w that comes with up to 4GB RAM - however, most of the audience here wouldn't have a clue what to do with it because there's probably not a step-by-step video showing them how to put Linux on it.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 That's the biggest problem with most of the non-Pi SBCs. The hardware is absolutely there but they don't seem interested in supporting it from the software side. I have an Orange Pi 5 Plus 16GB. I got the 256GB eMMC module for it and it was fine to get Linux installed for, but despite on paper being way better than the Pi5 (and even in benchmarks, being way faster), the Pi5 just 'feels' faster and more polished because the OS and drivers are actually thoughtfully put together. Seems like all the RK stuff is Android first, Linux is just a 'We'll make it work, but everything else is on the community.' It's so frustrating to see the Android images crank through 4K video with ease, but you try and do it in Linux and it's a janky mess.
@@terrydaktyllus1320they have to start somewhere. Honestly RPI missed the mark with the rpizero2w. That should have been 1gb from the start
@@leadfarmer5563 Yes, I agree with you on that. I'd even go a stage further and say that I think the Pi Foundation has made the mistake of abandoning the "Zero" form factor because, for me, that's the most interesting Pi form factor for me (though the Pi 400 and 500 are great for Amiga and other 16-bit computer emulation).
why only 1 gig? That's like a bare minimum given what the cpu will likely be capable of
I managed to get a brand new Pi-Top 3 when they were being cleared out online. Cost me £45.60 in July 2022. Still in it's box waiting for me to get time to have a tinker!
It was about time to release the 16 GB model.
That's what I need for general purpose computing, 21st century style (see lots of open tabs, virtualization and many other stuff).
Thanks for the good news!
Don't forget we have the Rock C5 16GB and the 32GB variants sporting an RK3588 that will compete directly with the Pi 5. The 16 GB Pi alone won't be enough IMO. We need more from the Pi foundation.
I have seen some form factors that this will be a game changer in. Basically a handheld multipurpose device that consolidates all of your computing needs.
I noticed Digikey had the 16GB sku when I placed an order 2 weeks back. Wild.
Depending on the GPU, 16 gigs could be good for low-end linux gaming with Steam. I'm running 16 gig on a 4 core 4 thread Linux Mint gaming PC and it does pretty well. Could be a plus for retro games too. If the Pi 5 16 gig works well, I may just use it to replace my current PC.
Der pi5 kam für mich viel zu spät. Habe einen Mele Mini pc (passiv) für das gleiche Geld und bin viel flexibler. Meinen pi400 nutze ich nur noch ab und zu als nas für Backups.
So I like to use my Raspberry Pi as a PC desktop. My favorite OS to install and use on a daily basis is FydeOS. I also like to keep a Raspberry Pi OS to download and install other OS to try, like I want to try Endeavour OS on my Raspberry Pi. The 16 GB of RAM to me is more of a desktop RAM amount, definitely better than the old 4 GB choice. So for me it is a great option, and for me to have more choices for the Raspberry Pi 5 to install and run desktop OS's.
I hope the rumour of a 16GB proves true, yet I also hope the price of the 16GB isn't abusively dear... Otherwise, I'll keep soldiering on with my Rpi4 and Rpi5 8GB models just fine, thanks. In fact, I use my Rpi4 as a music server, because of the 3.5mm jack. I doubt we'll ever see a new Pi with that jack built-in from the factory...
What for ??? It is just memory supply right, not more cores or power.
Linux doesn't need it.
I think you’re forgetting that other software can be loaded on raspberry pi’s
I could certainly use double the ram for what I’m doing
@@engineer9975 And what are you doing then? That statement says nothing.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 I would like to think I privacy minded individual would respect that not everyone wants their projects on the internet. But as an example running steamos which is slated to be released at some point.
16gb is needed for Android ,this Linux distro use a lot of memory :p especially in games...
I would like to have a 16 GB RAM Pi5 to set it up to do the compiling for me, and do it on a RAM Disk, so there's no SSD wear (and it's also faster). Though for the pain points, I mean, the big projects, like Chromium, I still don't have a solution, as it would need 14, preferably 20 GB of space just for the tmpfs, then another 3+ GB of so of RAM for the compile itself. I think I'll have to make my own filesystem in order to make a tmpfs spread over 2-3 Raspberry Pis, like, say, 2 of them with 10 GB each, leaving 6 GB of RAM, so 2 threads per Pi left to do compiling.
That way I can have a low-power silent box that will do the compiling part and allow my big old laptop to use Gentoo without compiling, just getting the binaries directly AND still completely tailored for my CPU and use cases. At least I dream so.
We need 2 PCI Express. SSD and AI kit in Rpi at same time!!!
PCIe Gen 3x4 would be fine. As long as you can bifurcate, or quadfurcate the lanes, that would be fine, and an 7600m would be fantastic.
Thought the Pi-top was discontinued couple of years ago and it was over $250, that picture was the version 2, the version 1 had the track pad to the right of the keyboard. I went to get one over two years ago and it never seem to ship, then found out from adafruit it was no more. Take it this would have been a used one if they had it
Here is a challenge for you. Pi 5 in the pironman mini tower and see if you can get Vintage Story to play on it.
0:17 about time.
Can or will you do another video on Endeavor OS with the new.img and setup? It's got some things that I've never heard of during the setup process.
@@luigiprovencher is it a newer version than this?
github.com/endeavouros-arm/images/releases
@leepspvideo probably not. Idk. I got it off of their website and I don't think it's necessarily headless or the server version but I liked the other version that they had before they decided to discontinue using it but I can't seem to get that version to work. It keeps crashing during the setup process.
i use my pi for hosting mc servers so it will come in handy for that reason even with the 8gb is good enough but 16 i could host a full waterfall server with hubs instead of a single server
I need help with my raspberry pi 5 not turning on or booting have power going to it when I plug in there’s touchscreen into the gpio pin the screen and screen fan come on but the lights is solid red I did plug a mouse and keyboard with no os on it
There's no operating system, you can't boot off of nothing.
@@benakanecrophile2878no not at all
@@benakanecrophile2878 no not at all
@@benakanecrophile2878it will just not come on
You don’t need 16g for docker. I use docker on my pi 4. Docker doesn’t run a whole OS, you are thinking of something like VirtualBox maybe?
i use docker on rpi 5 8 gb rn a few instances actually.
WTF is going on??
I'm from India and I have waited and saved up for 10 years for a 16GB variant and I don't know that it launched here!!
LLM host. I'd buy in. I wonder if it would be faster than a Tesla P40...
Does twister OS work on 64 bit pi?
Yes, but it’s still a 32bit OS. Works better on Pi 4 than Pi 5
How to run an unsupported OS on Raspberry Pi 5
ua-cam.com/video/GmfP1qDU-5s/v-deo.html
Too bad they did not do this sooner. While they are at it they should increase the memory on a raspberry pi zero.
Meanwhile I've been enjoying my Orange Pi 5 Plus with 32G for more than a year now...
Has anyone tried to install Windows 10 or 11 on a Pi 5 recently ?
When I tried the Wor flasher, the image is written to the sd card but the Pi 5 doesnt boot.
"Has anyone tried to install Windows 10 or 11 on a Pi 5 recently ?"
I can confirm that I have never tried to install any form of bloated and privacy-hating "double numerical digit" Windows on any kind of computer, let alone try crowbarring it onto a Raspberry Pi.
I have also never had to seek psychological counseling either.
I believe those two facts are probably related.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 lol. I actually agree but its for work and if I can save money by ditching PC's and using raspberry pi pc's
@@BillyNoMates1974 You can save more money and your privacy by not running bloated and privacy-hating Windows on Raspberry Pi's. You'll get far better results with Linux.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 true but unfortunatley our software is compiled for windows
@@BillyNoMates1974 I assume you mean "games" when you say "software".
16 GB of RAM with 4x Cortex A76 2.4GHz isn't worth it.
If it was like an Orange PI 5 with Rocketchip 3588s with 4x Cortex A76 2.4Ghz + 4x Cortex A55 1.8 GHz it would be worth it.
CM5 is the future for us all!
Why use a pi for an air quality monitor? ESP8266 is the standard device.....
cost and os support of you preferred project?
i was more interested in a new pi with 6 cpu cores and better gpu tbh, but ram sounds good, i guess
@Leepspvideo Please do a Windows 11 current state with 16GB just for showing status.
100k soon
Wouldn't buy another with that PMC chip.
Run the OS in RAM just like Puppy Linux...
Mathematica from Wolfram Research would be outstanding on the 16GB RPi5. Stephen Wolfram announced this port back in 2013 -- back in the days of the RPi Model B. Things are quite peppy on the Pi 5, and they should be even faster on this 16GB version. Wolfram cut over to a 64-bit version several years ago.
Mathematica costs $250+/year; I'm somewhat surprised they allow this free version that would work just fine for many users.
Shocked they don't add Nvidia vram
16 gigs be perfect to running my sdrs using Ubuntu wombat Linux,
16GB and I will kick my PC to the curb
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Looking forward to the CM5 video.
I just can't see what the CM5 does that the standard Pi 5 doesn't. When you factor in the IO board, CM5 is bigger, same cost, same functionality AFAIK.
I guess those who enjoy crowbarring bloated and privacy-hating Windows onto a Raspberry Pi will be pleased, they need all the RAM (and therapy) that they can get.
But for a properly optimised Linux system? Meh, 8GB is more than enough.