Installing the Pimoroni NVMe Base on Raspberry Pi 5
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- A very basic intro to installing the NVMe Base under a Raspberry Pi 5.
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Make sure your eeprom firmware is up to date with the 2023-12-06 or later version. Software update on the RPi OS should do this for you, but you can force it by running 'sudo rpi-eeprom-update' in the Terminal.
If you want to try PCIe Gen 3 speeds you can add this line to the [all] section of your /boot/config.txt
[all]
dtparam=pciex1_gen=3
If you have updated your firmware and want to boot from the NVMe drive, you might have to get technical and run 'sudo rpi-eeprom-config --edit' from the Terminal and change the BOOT_ORDER to be 0x416 instead of 0x41.
This is very considerate and fantastic end-user support by Pimoroni. I wish all suppliers and manufacturers went the extra mile like they do. Very impressive indeed. Thank you Pimoroni! 👍
Got mine on Friday, thanks guys. I almost waited until I had some free time on Saturday, but decided to throw caution to the wind and dive in. Twenty (20) minutes later, I was booting my 1 Tb (Sabrent Rocket) NVMe drive in PCIe gen3 mode. Easy peasy lemon squeezy. Great product. Can't wait for a (non-printed) case that supports this config. Thanks.
Pimoroni makes the best products ever for the Pi. My Picade 10 has been running like a champion for several years. So happy with the quality of their products. Looking forward to using my NVMe base. Thanks for making awesome stuff!
Excellent and really well explained thank you! If the kit performs half as well as it looks I'll be really chuffed. Great to support a localish company in Sheffield 😊
Thank you, order is out! I will test it with my PI 5 and Home Assistant and I am very excited about the performance of the system. Greetings from Germany!
Thanks for the video, very useful. I'm using the 'Geekworm Raspberry Pi Case, Raspberry Pi Universal HAT Size Acrylic Case DIY Kit' as a temporary case. All fits perfectly. At £5.99 a cheap solution until more cases are available.
Great Product! I used it with my Pi 5 and the Waveshare POE Hat and it works like a charm so far!
I used the included long screws to screw it from the bottom to the HAT and it worked perfectly, thanks for including them :)! Beste combo ever, 22€~ including shipping is a good deal in my opinion, would gladly buy it again! FYI who was wondering: i installed Raspi OS via Raspi Imager on the nvme ssd directly using a m.2 usb-c dongle. Then the first boot didnt work for me, but the second automagically did! (Dont put a SD card in, or the pi will boot into the SD Card first, leave it empty and the nvme will follow in the boot order).
Can't wait for mine to arrive! Looks like a lovely kit
The Pi 5 is seriously quick using one of these. Thank you for the instructions.
In my experience putting the flat cable onto the pi first and then trying to do the base end with a pi dangling off it was an exercise in frustration and futility. The base end is much harder to do, so you're better off doing that first and then the pi. That's how it was for me.
Better design then the Pineberry hat bottom board that has to be mounted upside down with the nvme underneath. Your use of a top mounted pcie connector allows the board to protect the nvme is what I wanted. Have one on back order for January delivery.
For me, the variant from Pineberry is better. With the pineberry "HAT" bottom you can also use other M.2 M-Key devices. This would not work here when assembled because of the space. But I am pleased that there are now so many variants and I hope there will be many more for the Pi 5.
Shame the Pi Foundation didn't have something similar available at launch really, but I'm going to order a couple whilst they dither on it.
you can always use thin terminals instead of pi if You don’t use gpio pins.
Nice implementation of NVME board.
Is there an enclosure for the Pi 5 that would fit with the Pimoroni NVMe hat?
I like to know this too !
I like the base and like U have an active cooler on top.
I'd take an "Opened Layer" acrylic or an aluminum case.
But in a pinch any nice fitting case will do.
At least until the Market catches up.
Yes there is if you have access to a 3d printer
@@peterrasmussen2793
Nice,
Thx, I never bothered to set mine up 😕 (Creality 3d printer 22-23)
Where can I find those plans ?
they are bringing one out ,
Printables / makerworld
8:25 It is a shame though that the board is longer than the RPi board at the front as it might make it impossible to assemble into a front 1U 19" rack people will start to make.
Amazing. Thank you!
Mmm, tasty sandwich! :-). Looking forward to it. Fingers crossed, mine will arrive soon!
My NVMe Base came in a Zipbag and the they didn't smoothed the ends of the PCB.
Also got complete different screws. I have only the long ones to secure the PI to the base, missing the short ones.
Edit: Customer Service sent out the missing screws, thanks! Hope they sand down the sharp edges of the break out points with the next batch.
Sorry to hear that - drop an email to support@pimoroni.com and we'll get the missing screws sorted for you!
@@pimoroni already did, got shipped today, thanks for the great customer support!
5:00 need special tool to lift that wedge from the pcie slot, should pivot on the board and lift the wedge, stopped by the slot wall. once open the tool could be used to push down.
Fingernails are fine, lift from both sides. Best to not have heatsink installed for better access.
Thank you for the demo! I have a question. Do you have (or recommend) a specific case for this?
beat me to it. Whilst its a cool bit of tech, I fail to see the need for an NVME on a PI.
if you use one for any extended time - sd card wear is a massive reason for one.@@buggerlugz6753
@@buggerlugz6753 I've just ordered one. My use case is NAS with a 2TB SSD.
faultfinding instructions when u cant see your nvme drive?
I'm still disappointed that the Pi 5 didn't come with a built-in NVMe slot on the underside so a base board was not necessary.
Thanks for the video, is there a case that will enclose the RPi5 and base?
was wondering the same...?
Helpful. Thanks
pimoroni sells from UK which means that any other EU country has to spend a quite large amount of money for customs clearance fees. I bought from UK 150 euro for some electronics included a PI5 and I have spent 65 euros in shipment and customs.... I wait until it will be on Amazon store.... thks
Ordered 2 and one kit is missing screws needed to properly mount the board. There's 4 stand-offs, 4 mounting screws that fit it, 1 large short screw that fits nowhere, 3 longer thin screws with bolts and 5 long screws.
I had the same issue. I got a bunch of screws and no standoffs. Actually a bit annoying. Sent them a FB message but got no response, tho I can see they saw it.
It's a tiny detail and the kit is bloody great otherwise.
the best part is where the ribbon cable wraps over the sd card slot. Even if you are using the NVME now, id still like access to the sd slot.
The best part is where the curve of the ribbon cable still gives you access to the SD slot 🙂
@@pimoroni well the video doesnt show that plainly at all
@@NIVO1972 Better view of that here: ua-cam.com/video/odG7FbptgWQ/v-deo.html
@@pimoroni ok i see that .I apologize. and thank you.
Thank you for this helpful video. Please, which case do you recommend for this set? Thank you for this advice, too!
Great video, I designed a specific case for this that can be 3d printed
Dear god the pci-e cable term on the NvMe base is flimsy, could you not have employed the same connector style as on the RPi? It doesn't so much latch as gently stroke...
Wouldn't you say it's impressive though? They managed to find THE WORST POSSIBLE connector for this application. What in the actual fk Pimoroni.
anyone try this with Ubuntu install? If so, can you share some tips?
It is compatible with Samsung 980 pro heatsink?
I’ve been looking for something like this. I just pre-ordered mine and look forward to using it on my project. I have an Argon One case for my pi 4 with 2 1tb drives (one internal and one via usb enclosure) and have an orange pi cm4 also with 1tb but the pi5 seems like it could benefit from the extra storage as well.
Which case is compatible with this extension module?
If you look on Printables you can find one to 3D print
Lovely kit - I'd just wish there was a version for rack mounting (like the ones from MyElectronics or UCTronic, where the RPi is mounted via the two first screw holes) - you know a longer ribbon cable (if that is even possible) and a few more holes in the base print or something like that.
Looking at the one I have here, I wonder if you could 3D print or laser cut a mounting plate to mount the NVME base behind the pi rather than underneath it. Then you could mount the front of the Pi to your rackmount bracket as normal.
A very nice way to heat up the CPU, even in idle, knowing how hot an M.2 is.
The Pi 5 defaults to PCI Express Gen 2 and can be configured to PCI Express Gen 3, it is only a single channel though so will max out at around 400 Mbytes per second read on gen 2 and roughly 800Mbytes per second on gen 3. This will not create much heat, as for most NVME drives it will be running way under the rated speed. Gen 4 drives would of course be total overkill.
@@dazasterous1 What I meant is that putting an M.2 beneath the SBC board is a very bad idea regarding the CPU knowing how hot an M.2 can get very quickly.
is there any case on market which can be used for this pi and plate ?
Yeah it looks great and all, but what case do you put on it? I don’t like static electricity killing my pi’s when I leave them in non-engineering environments ¯\_(ツ)_/ I haven’t found a case that fits this and the cooling fan 🥲
Could the ribbon cable be a bit longer? It's quite fiddly to install that bit!
I can report that the TEAMGROUP MP44Q 1TB SLC Cache Gen 4x4 M.2 works.
Write and read speeds compared to usb drives would have been nice. Also boot times to help me decide whether to purchase
You can see our benchmarking results from various drives over on pibenchmarks.com. pibenchmarks.com/user/pimoroni/
@@CyberDunk2077all our results are NVMe drives (despite the image shown on pibenchmarks)
If you look at all the results for the RPi 5 pibenchmarks.com/board/Raspberry_Pi_5_Model_B_Rev_1.0/
You can see some USB/SATA results with a score of 12000ish and transfers in the 300MB area. NVMe is a big step up and isn’t sharing bandwidth with other USB devices.
mine arrived yesterday, fitted a WD Black SN850x 4TB 2280 ssd, and it doesnt see the drive . Any tips on debugging why the drive isn't seen ?
WD Black 2TB doesn't see it .. any Ideas?
I enabled a bunch of other bits and bobs in Raspberry Pi Configuration, rebooted and there it was ... WD Black SN770 1TB (sorry thought it was 2 but it was 1)
I missed the comments at 9:48... did you say something about a "TXT"???
why didnt raspberry pi just implement an m2 slot on the bottom instead ?
I mean the Orange pi 5, 5b, & plus seems like a better choise.. 8 cores, up to 32gb ram.. comes with emmc, nvme and wifi card(6E) options
Because that would have made the price too expensive.
@@kevinj24535 Maybe you are right, but i would gladly have pay the extra 4-5 usd for it, instead of this ribbon cable thing on an SBC product..
And what is it about the 1gb ethernet and wifi ac still!?
i have bought a rp5, but i am a bit disapointed as i think there are better options around. if the version 6 will lack and be behind compettion, i will for sure skip it
it looks like you could have it on the top instead if you like with standoffs correct? I found a case called KKSB Aluminium Case that uses the official 7" touch screen I want to use :)
I wondered if the 'PCIe Pipe' Flat Flex Cable' would interfere with the SD HC card being inserted or removed, it looks like a very close fit and that the cable's "snaked" configuration is meant to avoid blocking the SD HC card. Can you confirm the 'PCIe Pipe' Flat Flex Cable' can remain connected while the SD HC card is inserted and removed?
I hope I don't damage the ribbon cable, the base is at the time of me posting this, should be delivered tomorrow
Would prefer a text + picture installation manual. Skipping videos back and forth is not the best way of instructing. besides that, the board is very cool! Thanks!
Got mine a few days ago and purchased a Sabrent 500GB Rocket Nvme PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280. When running in PCIe 3, do we not have to worry about heat?
I have not tested the temps on the drive yet, but would like to install a heatsink on the NVME drive nonetheless.
The standoffs and NVMe screw are too short to allow a heatsink to be installed.
So I decided to focus on the 2nd kit that had all the necessary hardware (the one that came with the SSD). What power supply will work with this? I have tried literally over a dozen USB power supplies ranging from old to brand new and keep getting the "Power supply is not capable of supplying 5A. Power to peripherals will be restricted". I know this is absolutely not true for the power supplies.
A quoi servent les autres vis qui restent? les plus longues par exemple
Thats cool and all, but what we need is a 4 sata and 1 msata board. 1 msata for system and 4 sata for nas drives. Maybe 1x gen2 pcie is just too slow idk, system should be fine on a high quality sd.
You can try a nvme hat + a nvme to sata controller board with multiple sata connectors. I will try this setup soon
the pi5 pcie can do pcie 3.0 x1 speeds. ~ 900 Mb/s
I think that's enough for a few SATA devices. There are M.2 M-Key SATA controllers that should work for this. Make sure that it is either the "Jbm585" or "Asmedia1166". These are SATA controllers with 5 or 6 SATA ports. There are also some that only have a SATA splitter instead of a controller.
My Pineberry HAT Bottom will arrive in 2 days, I will need a few more parts and will test it then.
@@kevinj24535 do you think a jm582 will be enough for one sata 3 device?
@@kevinj24535 jmb582
@@kevinj24535 it's 900 MB/s and not 900 Mb/s (it' 900x8 Mb/s)
My new RPI5 just arrived along with a pibow. The pibow base has holes corresponding to the standard rpi5 locations. Do you think it's possible to add the nvme base below the pibow base? I think the mechanicals would be OK, but perhaps the ribbon cable might be too short.
Same question: my Pi5 arrived two days ago and I’ve installed it in a PiBow case. I’m assuming I can add some spacers, but a Pibow, “extension” would give a more finished look! (Hint, hint!).
BTW, the Pi5 makes a fine, “everyday driver,” and could easily be a desktop replacement for many people. Love it!
@@thewalkman6635I think we can do a neat Pibow-friendly solution. A full case for pi+nvme+hat would be amazing also.
@@pimoroni Great to hear. My order is already in for a the NVME base. I'll gladly add a Ninja extension kit to the order as well. Cheers!
what case will house the pi a d base?
@@pimoroni please! I want to get the dual NVME board and a case is super important for me
which case will fit after the pimoroni hat assembled !
No heat sink tap for the drive then??
sir, thank you very nucy,which SSD did you attach, (so that I can buy the sme)
No shot from the side as to clearance once fully mounted?
Is there a case for this setup?
That what I want to know & buy !
"Open" Acrylic layered or
Enclosed Aluminum cases (preferably).
Any resellers in India? It is sad to see none of there gadgets are available in India. And international shipping is very expensive. Please let me know if there is a way I could purchase this in India without spending too much on shipping charges.
Will it fit in the RPI case or do you guys have a case?
Will this fit in the official case, with the active cooler?
Do you have longer PCIE extension ribbon cables available to allow a heat sink on the NVME drive and still leave enough room between the boards?
i don't see why small spacers couldn't work
Any capacity limit? eg 2TB+?
I've been trying to find a case/enclosure that would be compatible and actualy fit witht his hat (i realy prefer this method of putting the drive on the bottom) but i cant find anything that would work for it, anyone have any recomendations?
recommendation coming soon.
stay tuned
What kind of power supply do I need for this? Thanks.
Great product! Please produce/ship it.
Thanks! We’ve assembled all the first batch at Pimoroni HQ and need to test and ship the rest. Batch two are pencilled in for early Jan. since we’re in control of manufacture, it makes the process less uncertain :)
Pibow addition? please!!!!
Is this compatible with the official case?
I assume I can just cut a slot for the ribbon cable to pass through and it will sit underneath.
Don't think so as in the official case the pi sits on the base of the case. Although perhaps you mean mount the board outside the case in which case, perhaps and I'll check it out when mine arrives.
Could not identify black parts on black table. You should be better to retake video.
does it fit with raspberry pi 5 official case on?
I recently ordered this product and it works great with my SN570 NVME SSD. I’m getting a maximum write speed of 800 MB/s and a read speed of 1.6 GB/s. I was also able to fit this NVMe base with the official Raspberry Pi case, and it looks great-now it's portable too.
Additionally, the customer service from Pimoroni is excellent. When I asked them for a longer PCIe cable for this NVMe base, they promptly responded with a link to where I could purchase one, and I’ve already ordered it.
I would recommend using a longer PCIe cable if you’re fitting it with the official Raspberry Pi case. While the default PCIe cable that comes with it works, a longer one ensures a more secure fit.
Pi 5 pcie interface placement is iq 10 at most
Raspberry pi is like just for fanboys at this point
>renowned electronics company since 2012 uploads 30 fps webcam videos in 2023
Why do you keep referring to screws as bolts, I noticed you even occasionally refer to the screw as a nut.
Isn’t bolt British for screw?
No, screw is British for screw.
Screws have pointed tips (like wood screws), bolts are flat (like an m3 bolt).
Machine screws don't have pointed tips.
The only place I hear him use the term nut is when he is actually using nuts.
Machine screw vs bolt seems to be something where there is disagreement. AIUI the traditional definition is that a screw is something you screw into a hole (a threaded hole in the case of a machine screw), while a bolt is something you put a nut on.
But especially with small hardware, the same fastener can be used both ways. So you often have situations where the manufacturer sells something as a screw but you are using it as a bolt, or situations where the manufacturer sells something as a bolt but you are using it as a screw.
I'd really prefer a written guide with some pictures.
In progress as we speak 🙂
@@pimoroni Nice! :)
Im a laymen i have to ask doses this replace the need for a sd card to boot up the operating system and adds the storage
Yes you can boot straight from the M.2 drive, or continue to boot from the micro SD and just use the M.2 as storage.
@adamharcourt7696 oh thank you for the information much appreciated I want to use the m2 for fast storage transfer speeds
so nvme SSD is closely facing the back of raspberry chips without any cooling. that is not cool
how does this fare against a synology using plex
Night and day. They are not even the same use/class.
I have one of my Pi5 boards running as a plex server, it’s fine for one 4K stream, but can do a couple of 1080p, I work away a lot and normally take a pi with me to hook up to the hotel tv.
I was doing some tests over the holidays with the Flirc case and it’s not good enough as the pi gets to throttle at 80c, but the active cooler in the official case keeps it much cooler and runs fine.
Enclosure? It’s the only thing putting me off buying one the fact there’s none
😢
Are the holes for 5V to connect an external power for m2 SSDs consuming a lot of power? ua-cam.com/video/odG7FbptgWQ/v-deo.htmlsi=QOjH2WhL09yf_1L6&t=183
Nieprzemyślany projekt. Dyski nvme powinny być chłodzone, chociażby pasywnie radiatorem, a ten hat to uniemożliwia. Wystarczyło by dysk był pod spodem. Wielka szkoda!
Crap audio. UA-cam audio at maximum and Windows Volume at 100% and can still barely hear you !
drone drone turn sound off and run at 2x