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Unbelievable Fact 👉🏻explaining Christianity with the bible is impossible🤦♂
In maths 1+1+1 = 3 , but in Christianity 1+1+1 = 1 🤦♂
My father, me & my mum are 3, but in Christianity the father, the son & the holy spirit are ONE 🤦♂
To preach Islam we muslims use the Quran & Hadith, but the Christians must avoid the bible to preach Christianity 🤦♂
C0UNT THE APPLES 🍏 🍎 🍏
ALL MUSLIMS AGREE 3 apples
ALL SCHOOLS AGREE 3 apples
BUT THE CHRISTIANS CAN ONLY SEE ONE APPLE 🤦♂
blur out womens hair
@@thetruthwithproof8802
1 x 1 x 1 = 1 does that make sense ?
You quaran say God , the angel Gabriel and the prophet Muhammad.
Three diverse manners to bring God's word.
You see , it is a kind of trinity.
What can you not understand .
God's word through a angel unto a human . Yet the words of the human is not of his own thoughts , but of the thoughts of God .
Yet the angel is not God but is the image of his word
@@morneterblanche2228 if person A writes and sends a letter to person B through post then the letter is the word of person A sent to person B through post just like this Allah sent His words to the prophet Mohammed (pbuh) through angel jibrael
@@nomore3346 why does Allah not just speak to a nation himself ?
Why a angel , and a person ?
you are too nice man, these people say ridiculous things:
- the lady: " trinity makes perfect sense"
- the lady: " i don't understand it"
- the lady: "saint augustine didnt understand it and god himself told him you will never understand the trinity"
- the lady: " why don't you believe the trinity eventhough it makes no sense??"
👁👄👁
How these people can sleep or eat after all these intellect slaps and punches and buckets of cold water on their faces!
It's like you taste sweet and try to explain it to others. If you are ready we can have a conversation here in this chat. I'll try to explain my faith of Christianity. Which makes sense to belive without fully understanding it yet concluding from a logical attempt to understand that its ok to hold Christian faith.
@@nivin8651 The very moment you invoked "make sense" and "explain" you entered into the realm of logic. Also, What is "without fully understanding it". You either understand it and it makes full sense or you have no clue what it is. If you understand a concept you can explain it easily. Also, No it is not like taste sweet and try to explain it. No one ask ever asked people to explain him sweetness, people just like sweet food.
@@donotaskmemyname3902 ok I'll explain it. You enter a vehicle trusting that the driver has a license. It's a faith in the system. Though you don't know personally how much trustworthy the driver is. Like this upto a limit you follow your reason and then make a blind leap of faith on the basis of your reason concluding that it's trustworthy. That's logic of those usages you mentioned.
THAT LADY IS NOT A CHRISTIAN
Our God is a Trinity..
In the OT a Jew wrote it his name is David in the Psalms..
Psalm 89:26 FATHER
Psalm 2:12 SON
Psalm 51:11 HOLY SPIRIT
In the NT a Jew preached it and His name is Jesus Christ
John 14:26
26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name [Jesus] will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
keep the good work, I am Christian converted to Islam, it is the true faith
Welcome to Islam dear eddy
salaam Eddy. please post a video of your experience.
Welcome to Islam
These mind blowing posts expose the deception that is currently at play in the world and the stunning coming together of Islamic and Christian end times prophecies! Could there be an alliance of Muslims and Christians fighting on the same side in the final battle of good and evil (against the Dajjal/Antichrist forces) or will they fight on opposite sides of good and evil?
These posts which explore the dramatic events and deceptive characters in the end times will be a blessing to you and the difference between eternity in heaven or in hell.
[NOTE: Did you know that one can textually, physically and scientifically prove that a LOT of prophecies (NAMES of FIGURES, EVENTS, PLACES and STORYLINES) from the Qur'an and hadiths are corruptions of the prophecies of the BOOK OF REVELATION, written around 96 AD and whose earliest surviving manuscripts are from the 3rd century (written 500 years before the Qur'an and 750 years before the collection of the hadiths)?
You may already be thinking of the often used but misleading defence that the Qur'an/hadiths may have been "correcting corrupt prophecies" from the Bible. Problem is: the Qur'an claims that Allah of the Qur’an sent the TORAH and GOSPELS to the Jews and Christians but the BOOK OF REVELATION is NOT among the 4 books of the Gospels "sent by Allah", although it is one of the 27 books of the New Testament.
Do a simple COMPARISON TEST: the Islamic concept of Antichrist or Al-Maseeh Al-Dajjaal is CORRUPTED from Revelations 13, the fictional prophecy of Gog and Magog tribes trapped behind a wall is CORRUPTED from the 3000 year old prophecy of Gog and Magog from the book of Ezekiel 38-39 to Qur'an 18:94-101 and Sahih al-Bukhari 7135, the prophecy of drying up of the Euphrates river is CORRUPTED from Revelations 16:12 to Sahih al-Bukhari 7119. The prophecy of the Beast from the Earth or Dābbat al-Arḍ is CORRUPTED from Revelations 13:10-18 to Qur’an 27:82, Sunan Ibn Majah 4066 and Musnad Aḥmad 22309). The Islamic Armageddon is a CORRUPTION of the Armageddon of Revelations 16:14-16. Will Muslims use the bows, arrows and shields of Gog and Magog as firewood, for seven years (Sunan Ibn Majah 4076)? No. It is a CORRUPTION of Ezekiel 39:9. It is the Israelites who will do so, not Muslims.
If the above undeniable evidence of Islamic corruption of prophecy from the Bible book of Revelation doesn't prove to you that Bible prophecy is original and the real deal, then nothing else will save you from your death wish.
Corruption is deception because it makes you believe what is a lie to be true and what is true to be a lie.
According to Islamic traditions Muhammad interacted with Christians and Jews while in Mecca and it is not surprising that he was called "all ears" (QS 9:61) for copying stories he heard (from ancient Syriac texts and from the Bible). Illiteracy doesn't mean Muhammad was dumb, mute or stupid.
If I were Muslim and I had an open mind to know the truth, I would unlearn the corrupted prophecies and stick around to learn the real end times through the frame of the original prophecies of the book of Revelation.
As the wise saying goes: "When the facts change, I change my mind; what do you do?". Wouldn't it be unforgivable foolishness to continue to believe in corrupted prophecies? Friend, blind belief will get you burnt.
Can a book written EARLIER copy from the one written 6 centuries LATER? No.
Interestingly, there are claims of corruption of the Bible but no credible evidence, which changes its message (the crucifixion, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit), has ever been brought to the table up to this day.
It seems like the best case for "evidence" of corruption of the Bible is that "the Bible contradicts the Qur'an" or "the Bible has many translations". Translation is hardly any proof of corruption. Could the very strong and undeniable evidence of corruption of Bible prophecy by Allah of the Qur’an and his servant (Muhammad) presented here be proof that it is the Qur'an which corrupts and contradicts the message of the Bible and that it is the Qur'an that is inspired by a copycat false god disguised as an angel of light and righteousness?
If the Bible is corrupted, so why was the Messenger (considered illiterate by Muslims) listening to and copying from the book of Revelation not sent by his god, Allah?? (a book which Muslims would claim to have been written by either anonymous men, the Greek or the Romans??).
Prophecy is KING! Prophecy is the standard by which the true God separates himself from false gods claiming to have created the earth and claiming attributes such as "Beneficiant", "Most Merciful" , "Forgiving", "Most Kind", "Most Compassionate" etc.
God challenges them to make prophecies and fulfill them to prove that they are true gods:
"Tell us what is to come hereafter, that we may know that you are gods; do good, or do harm, that we may be dismayed and terrified. Behold, you are nothing, and your work is less than nothing; an abomination is he who chooses you."
Isaiah 41:23-24
Friend, an abomination is he who chooses Allah of the Qur’an. WHY WOULD YOU ASSOCIATE WITH A god AND HIS prophet WHO STEAL AND CORRUPT PROPHECIES WHICH DON'T BELONG TO THEM?
I don't know about you, but for me if the God I pray to, who is supposed to be Holy, commits corruption, it's a deal breaker and I quit!
YOU: "But Muhammad made other prophecies and these prove Islam is true!"
ME: "See video links at the end of these posts for a friendly discussion between Christian Prince and a Muslim Historian on the deception and ridiculousness of Muhammad’s prophecies"
YOU: "the Messenger was illiterate so it doesn't matter that there is clear proof of forgery of prophecy from the book of Revelation; we don't know how this happened therefore it's not true, ok."
ME: "No. Truth-not self-deception-requires that there must be accountability for these obvious examples of Islamic corruption of prophecies from the book of Revelation. Illiteracy doesn't mean Muhammad was dumb, mute or stupid; he was called 'all ears' for a reason"
[NOTE: for the purposes of this post, by "Antichrist"/"Al-Maseeh Al-Dajjaal", I'm not referring to the fictional one-eyed Al-Maseeh Al-Dajjaal of the hadiths who will find it difficult to deceive even a mad man (let alone a Jew!) because another physical feature which also exposes him, apart from having one eye, is that he will also have the word "Kafir" branded on his forehead. What a smart way for Dajjal to hide his deceptive agenda?
Unless you are living in fantasy land, the real CRISIS which will bring tribulation (war and death) upon the face of the earth will not be fictional but will be relevant to the biggest issue of our present time: whether Jesus was CRUCIFIED (Isaiah 53, Psalm 22, Mark 10:45, John 20:26-29) and is the SON OF GOD (Daniel 7:13-14, Isaiah 9:1-6, 2 Samuel 7:12-14) as he said he was, in view of QS 4:171 and 4:157.
[In essence the Son is God and God is SPIRIT. Jesus confirmed that God is ONE (Mark 12:29). The Son is ONE with the Father (John 10:30, John 14:8:11) and was not "beget" (QS19:35, QS 9:30) nor did the Father need a biological wife (QS 6:101) because the Son already existed in eternity (Micah 5:2) as spirit BEFORE he TEMPORARILY took the form of a man through Mary. Jesus IS Lord and is worshipped today and FOREVER (as spirit, not man) to the glory of the Father (Daniel 7:13-14, Philippians 2:7-11)]
2. Who then will be the REAL Antichrist and could Muslims and Christians fight on the opposite sides of the final battle of good and evil or will they join forces and fight on the same side against the real Antichrist forces? Will the Antichrist deny the Sonship and Crucifixion of Jesus Christ or will the Antichrist be the one-eyed Al-Maseeh Al-Dajjaal?
Which prophecy will you now trust? Beloved, as was clearly demonstrated previously, any wise person would know that they would be condemning their eternity to hell if they foolishly still trust Islamic prophecies, after they have evidently been proven to be largely a shameful corruption of Bible prophecy from the book of Revelation.
How could Muslims and Christians fight on the same side IF:
1. they are polar opposite, not just in their knowledge of the the Antichrist but of the Christ? The word 'Antichrist' originates from 'Christ' (to IMITATE or to be AGAINST Christ).
2. they do not believe in the same God. The claims which Allah (QS 29:46) and the God of the Bible (the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) make about themselves are so HOSTILE to each other for them to be the same God (even though they both call themselves GOD and declare that they are ONE). Yet there can only be one true God, not two.
The result is that IF both Christian and Islamic eschatology are fulfilled, the one who will be Al-Maseeh to one religion, will be Al-Maseeh Al-Dajjaal to the other (the REAL one, not the one-eyed one!). In a sense, Al Mahdi (whom it is said will be superior to Isa, is regarded as a sort of "Messianic deliverer" or "savior") is Al Messiah to Islam-an IMITATION of the attributes reserved for Al Maseeh, Jesus Christ. It is believed Al Mahdi will bring "peace and justice" to the world.
Who then will be the REAL Antichrist? Could EITHER the appearing Jesus Christ the Son of God or the Mahdi be ANTICHRIST to the opposing religion?
The scale of the deception which began generations ago is such that Christians and Muslims each believe to worship the creator of the heavens and the earth, with Muslims believing that Allah of the Qur’an is this creator who sent the previous scriptures (QS 5:44-47) and that the final prophet is found in the previous scriptures (QS 7:157 and 61:6).
However, the previous scriptures state clearly:
"The law and the prophets were UNTIL JOHN: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Luke 16:16.
John the Baptist was the LAST prophet, meaning that Jesus, who came after John, was not a prophet (this proves that Muhammad was not a prophet of the true God). What was John's prophecy? Who was Jesus? John prophesied about the coming of the "one who is MORE POWERFUL than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."
(Matthew 3:11).
John Testified that Jesus is the Son of God (John 1:34)
So there was to be no final revelation through a "seal of the prophets". Any revelation which would be a "guardian over the previous scriptures" (as claimed in QS 5:48) would not be of God, for God in the "past spoke through the prophets" but "has in the last days spoken through his Son" (Hebrews 1:1-2)
A disturbing prophecy which shows that the two religions are not of the SAME God and why one of the religions will fight AGAINST the Antichrist forces and the other FOR the Antichrist forces is the prophecy of the "Beast from the Earth".
[NOTE: in Bible terms, a beast is a personality who has rule over the world]
The ORIGINAL prophecy of the beast from the earth is recorded in the book of Revelation (13:10-18) which speaks of Satan (long disguised as God) and his Antichrist system prevailing in the last 7 years of the world [Daniel's one week prophecy: one day for a year prophecy=7 years (Daniel 9:27)]. The SECOND "Beast" (the beast from the earth) of the last 7 years will deceive and cause as many to receive the MARK of the FIRST beast (Antichrist) on the forehead. Only those having the mark of the Antichrist will be allowed to BUY and SELL (Revelation 13:16-18). Those who believe Jesus as the Son of God will refuse the mark and they will be beheaded for their faith, and received with glory in the kingdom of God (Rev 20:4). But God will condemn to HELL those who will receive the mark of the beast (Revelations 14:9-10) because they disbelieved that Jesus is the Son of God [as confirmed in the old testament (Daniel 7:13-14 or Isaiah 9:6)] and worshipped the false god of this world instead
Surprisingly, Islam/the Islamic Caliphate (like the Antichrist system) will also prevail in the last 7 years (Sunan Abi Dawud 4286).
Strangely, the Qur’an (27:82) and hadith "beast from the earth" prophecy (which is a corruption of Revelation 13:10-18) instruct Muslims to do the OPPOSITE! They must receive the mark from the "Beast from the Earth" or Dābbat al-Arḍ (Sunan Ibn Majah 4066 and Musnad Aḥmad 22309) and they will be allowed to BUY or SELL and be marked as the believers of Allah and will go to HEAVEN. [see video link of the Islamic Mark of the Beast (presented by Muslim) in the 4th "chapter" of this article]
Which of the two prophecies will you trust?
This obvious contradiction shows plainly and certainly, that Allah of the Qur’an and the God of the Bible are NOT the same God. One is Satan disguised as the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
IF the opposing hadith beast prophecy, copied and misrepresented from the book of Revelation is fulfilled, could Islam be the Antichrist religion of the last 7 years, before the return of the true Jesus, which will behead (Revelations 13:15 and QS8:12-13) those who do not believe in its god and refuse to make allegiance to the Antichrist? Beheaded will be those who refuse to receive the mark of the beast reserved for the believers in Allah.
The contradicting prophecies between Christianity and Islam are NOT just down to 'matters over which we used to differ' and which Allah of the Qur’an will "inform" us of when we "return" to him or different "communities" competiting in "good deeds" with each community having been given its own "code of law" (QS 5:48). Is God the author of confusion that he should give one truth but different communities of faith competing from different standards of good deeds? To me my religion to you yours? With the true God, there is one TRUTH and one WAY to eternal LIFE (John 14:6)
There is a WAY that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of DEATH.
(Proverbs 14:12)
Instead, the contradicting prophecies have come about as a result of the deception by Satan who desires to be worshipped disguised as a god of "righteous deeds"-the god of RIGHTEOUSNESS and LIGHT. How?
Do beloved Muslims know that Satan is the deceptive angel that God cast down to the earth or that 600 years before the mysterious ANGELIC being and the SERVANT of Allah, Muhammad, met in a cave, the apostles wrote a letter to believers at Corinth, warning them not to be deceived by Satan disguised as an "ANGEL of light" and his "SERVANTS of righteousness":
"And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an ANGEL of LIGHT. So it is no surprise if his SERVANTS, also, disguise themselves as SERVANTS of RIGHTEOUSNESS. Their end will correspond to their deeds".
2 Corinthians 11:14-15
(Research about Joseph Smith of the cultic Mormon church, another SERVANT of righteousness who was also visited by an ANGEL which gave him verses to write)
Don't be deceived by a religion declaring itself a religion of righteous deeds: praying (to its god as God), giving money to the poor and warning against sin. for Satan mixes good with evil inorder to deceive. Satan's religion is an imitation of and deceptively similar to the religion of the true God. A fake $100 bill must look like the original for it to have any chance of deceiving the receiver. Satan is the master of deception and is disguised as the one God, not Satan (Isaiah 14:12-14) and desires to be worshipped (Matthew 1:9). It makes sense that Satan will disguise himself as God and even warn against himself inorder to deceive you and hide his true identity. Satan has deceived billions away from worshipping the true God and into committing idolatry by worshipping him instead.
Ex Christian and Muslim Alhamdulillah 😇☝️
Dr.Imran is such a pleasure to listen to. So intelligent and articulate. Mash'Allah
I just like how they are calmly discussing their differences with no aggression
What a beautiful character of Dr Imran….May Allah swt reward his effort . Aaminn
I have not heard any Christian as calm erudite or as sincere as daees like this.
Thank Allah for pure monotheism.
Would anyone who gets to know his/her boat is full of holes be calm?
@@nghaider why not? Would anyone who gets to know that you are lunatic be calm?
@@alafiatemon3035 Because the boat is sinking and unless you jump off it, its taking you down with it.
Have you seen Imran with Hamza being calm with Bob the Builder?
Screaming like a petulant child,
“It’s not even in the verse!” He yelled over and over.
@Brother asked a very good question every prophet from adam to muhammad is sent by the same god. so all prophets must have the same religion. we call that religion islam... unless you believe god sent a prophet with different religions. like moses with judaism, jesus with christianity and who knows maybe there is a prophet sent to china to preach budhism... if you believe it like that then every religion is right and god makes multiple heaven and hell for each religion..
Dr. Imran is an inspiration to ALL Daees.
3 minutes in and the christian isn't screaming her lungs out. im impressed
She have peace in her heart knowing Jesus already killed by non believers for her.
Is the God of the Bible (the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) and Allah of the Qur’an the same God? Don't be deceived.
The following are obvious examples of why it would be dangerous to believe that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and Allah of the Qur’an are the SAME God.
1. About sinning, God said:
“For I am the LORD your God; sanctify yourselves therefore, and BE YE HOLY; for I am holy..”
Leviticus 11:44 Tanakh Hebrew Bible
But Allah of the Qur’an says:
By Him in whose hand is my soul, if you did not sin, Allah would replace you with people who would sin and they would seek forgiveness from Allah and He would forgive them.
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2749, Grade: Sahih
2. About adultery, Jesus said:
“Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: but I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Matthew 5:27-28
Muhammad said
Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Apostle as saying:
“Verily Allah has fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in, and which he of necessity must commit.The adultery of the eye is the lustful look, and the adultery of the tongue is the licentious speech,the heart desires and yearns, which the parts may or may not put into effect.”
Why does Allah of the Qur’an fix the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in, and which he of necessity must commit??
God is a God of holiness and HATES sin! Why does Allah of the Qur’an despise those who seek after holiness and encourage his believers to sin??
The above instructions from Allah of the Qur’an are the best example of corruption. They are disturbing and CLEARLY CONTRADICT the values of the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Which God seems to be the one who is speaking the values you would identify with?
If you still choose Allah of the Qur’an over the God of the Bible, you are knowingly choosing CORRUPTION over HOLINESS and HELL over HEAVEN.
Praying 5 times a day to a false god in the direction of the idolatrous and abominable Kaaba and hajr e aswad will certainly lead you to the devil's false illusion of heaven-Jannah of 72 virgins an ever erect penis and rivers flowing with wine. Beloved, it DOESN'T EXIST because there is no eating or sex in heaven but JOY, PEACE and HOLINESS.
The world underestimates the power of Satan to be a force of both good and evil inorder to deceive. He is the master of corruption. God cast Satan to the earth because he corrupted his own wisdom (Ezekiel 28:17). Satan is the father of deception, corruption and lies (John 8:44)
Do beloved Muslims know that Satan is the deceptive angel that God cast down to the earth or that 600 years before the SERVANT of Allah met the mysterious ANGELIC being in the cave , the apostles had warned believers at Corinth:
"And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an ANGEL of LIGHT. So it is no surprise if his SERVANTS, also, disguise themselves as SERVANTS of RIGHTEOUSNESS. Their end will correspond to their deeds".
2 Corinthians 11:14-15
"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!"
Galatians 1:8
The Qur'an preaches a message other than the prophecies of the prophets of old and preaches a message other than the Gospel preached by the apostles about the Messiah who would lay down his life for the sins of many (Isaiah 53, Psalm 22 and Mark 10:45 and John 20:26-29) and is the Son of God (Daniel 7:13-14, Isaiah 9:1-6, 2 Samuel 7:12-14)
Satan has been successful in introducing a religion of "righteous deeds": praying (to him as God), giving money to the poor and warning against sin. But he has deceived billions away from worshipping the true God and into committing idolatry by worshiping a false god! Don't be deceived by a religion declaring itself a religion of "righteous deeds", for Satan mixes good with evil inorder to deceive. Satan's religion is an imitation of and deceptively similar to the religion of the true God. A fake $100 bill must look like the original for it to have any chance of deceiving the receiver. Don't be deceived, Satan calls himself God and is ONE too. Satan is the master of deception and is disguised as the one God, not Satan (Isaiah 14:12-14) and desires to be worshipped (Matthew 1:9). It makes sense that Satan will disguise himself as God and even warn against himself inorder to deceive you and hide his true identity. Satan has deceived billions away from worshipping the true God and into committing idolatry by worshipping him instead.
Beloved Muslims, "seek the Lord while he may be found; call on him while he is near."
Isaiah 55:6
Yeah becuase she isnt from the uk, and generally there alot calmer.
Most Christians are well mannered sincere individuals. It is some black sheeps among them who give Christians a really bad image
@@welcometolife4237 hahahaha
i like very calm discussion like this, not the ones where people yelling and cut each others sentence
One point we are all missing is: Allah created Adam with the choice and ability to obey him or sin, just as he created Angels without the ability to disobey.
So its Allah's (Justice) that He (Mercifully) forgives humans' shortcoming (i.e. sin) as long as they repent, while holding them accountable to their actions.
To me this makes perfect sense , and perfectly reconciles Allah's Justice and Mercy - from a theological perspective anyway.
My heart really goes to the intelligent doctor Imran having to listen to all that rubbish about the Holy spirit speaking to this Augustin while taking a stroll on the beach ⛱️ and this is supposed to explain the core of salvation. Or my mum is German and my father is from Neptune and I am superman ,see the trinity is explained!
There is no salvation in islam, its all about predestination , allah write in the destiny book of every child wether he go to heaven or hell 40 years before he is born.
That is why when Moses acuses Adan for eating from the 🌳, Adam response is " why do you blame me for something allah wrote on my destiny 40 years before my creation.
Allah knows best
Fatwa 2397
@@sura2proyect428 what is fatwa?
@@razmiihsan8897 😂 Man is quoting from 'fatwa' the famous book.
These mind blowing posts expose the deception that is currently at play in the world and the stunning coming together of Islamic and Christian end times prophecies! Could there be an alliance of Muslims and Christians fighting on the same side in the final battle of good and evil (against the Dajjal/Antichrist forces) or will they fight on opposite sides of good and evil?
These posts which explore the dramatic events and deceptive characters in the end times will be a blessing to you and the difference between eternity in heaven or in hell.
[NOTE: Did you know that one can textually, physically and scientifically prove that a LOT of prophecies (NAMES of FIGURES, EVENTS, PLACES and STORYLINES) from the Qur'an and hadiths are corruptions of the prophecies of the BOOK OF REVELATION, written around 96 AD and whose earliest surviving manuscripts are from the 3rd century (written 500 years before the Qur'an and 750 years before the collection of the hadiths)?
You may already be thinking of the often used but misleading defence that the Qur'an/hadiths may have been "correcting corrupt prophecies" from the Bible. Problem is: the Qur'an claims that Allah of the Qur’an sent the TORAH and GOSPELS to the Jews and Christians but the BOOK OF REVELATION is NOT among the 4 books of the Gospels "sent by Allah", although it is one of the 27 books of the New Testament.
Do a simple COMPARISON TEST: the Islamic concept of Antichrist or Al-Maseeh Al-Dajjaal is CORRUPTED from Revelations 13, the fictional prophecy of Gog and Magog tribes trapped behind a wall is CORRUPTED from the 3000 year old prophecy of Gog and Magog from the book of Ezekiel 38-39 to Qur'an 18:94-101 and Sahih al-Bukhari 7135, the prophecy of drying up of the Euphrates river is CORRUPTED from Revelations 16:12 to Sahih al-Bukhari 7119. The prophecy of the Beast from the Earth or Dābbat al-Arḍ is CORRUPTED from Revelations 13:10-18 to Qur’an 27:82, Sunan Ibn Majah 4066 and Musnad Aḥmad 22309). The Islamic Armageddon is a CORRUPTION of the Armageddon of Revelations 16:14-16. Will Muslims use the bows, arrows and shields of Gog and Magog as firewood, for seven years (Sunan Ibn Majah 4076)? No. It is a CORRUPTION of Ezekiel 39:9. It is the Israelites who will do so, not Muslims.
If the above undeniable evidence of Islamic corruption of prophecy from the Bible book of Revelation doesn't prove to you that Bible prophecy is original and the real deal, then nothing else will save you from your death wish.
Corruption is deception because it makes you believe what is a lie to be true and what is true to be a lie.
According to Islamic traditions Muhammad interacted with Christians and Jews while in Mecca and it is not surprising that he was called "all ears" (QS 9:61) for copying stories he heard (from ancient Syriac texts and from the Bible). Illiteracy doesn't mean Muhammad was dumb, mute or stupid.
If I were Muslim and I had an open mind to know the truth, I would unlearn the corrupted prophecies and stick around to learn the real end times through the frame of the original prophecies of the book of Revelation.
As the wise saying goes: "When the facts change, I change my mind; what do you do?". Wouldn't it be unforgivable foolishness to continue to believe in corrupted prophecies? Friend, blind belief will get you burnt.
Can a book written EARLIER copy from the one written 6 centuries LATER? No.
Interestingly, there are claims of corruption of the Bible but no credible evidence, which changes its message (the crucifixion, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit), has ever been brought to the table up to this day.
It seems like the best case for "evidence" of corruption of the Bible is that "the Bible contradicts the Qur'an" or "the Bible has many translations". Translation is hardly any proof of corruption. Could the very strong and undeniable evidence of corruption of Bible prophecy by Allah of the Qur’an and his servant (Muhammad) presented here be proof that it is the Qur'an which corrupts and contradicts the message of the Bible and that it is the Qur'an that is inspired by a copycat false god disguised as an angel of light and righteousness?
If the Bible is corrupted, so why was the Messenger (considered illiterate by Muslims) listening to and copying from the book of Revelation not sent by his god, Allah?? (a book which Muslims would claim to have been written by either anonymous men, the Greek or the Romans??).
Prophecy is KING! Prophecy is the standard by which the true God separates himself from false gods claiming to have created the earth and claiming attributes such as "Beneficiant", "Most Merciful" , "Forgiving", "Most Kind", "Most Compassionate" etc.
God challenges them to make prophecies and fulfill them to prove that they are true gods:
"Tell us what is to come hereafter, that we may know that you are gods; do good, or do harm, that we may be dismayed and terrified. Behold, you are nothing, and your work is less than nothing; an abomination is he who chooses you."
Isaiah 41:23-24
Friend, an abomination is he who chooses Allah of the Qur’an. WHY WOULD YOU ASSOCIATE WITH A god AND HIS prophet WHO STEAL AND CORRUPT PROPHECIES WHICH DON'T BELONG TO THEM?
I don't know about you, but for me if the God I pray to, who is supposed to be Holy, commits corruption, it's a deal breaker and I quit!
YOU: "But Muhammad made other prophecies and these prove Islam is true!"
ME: "See video links at the end of these posts for a friendly discussion between Christian Prince and a Muslim Historian on the deception and ridiculousness of Muhammad’s prophecies"
YOU: "the Messenger was illiterate so it doesn't matter that there is clear proof of forgery of prophecy from the book of Revelation; we don't know how this happened therefore it's not true, ok."
ME: "No. Truth-not self-deception-requires that there must be accountability for these obvious examples of Islamic corruption of prophecies from the book of Revelation. Illiteracy doesn't mean Muhammad was dumb, mute or stupid; he was called 'all ears' for a reason"
[NOTE: for the purposes of this post, by "Antichrist"/"Al-Maseeh Al-Dajjaal", I'm not referring to the fictional one-eyed Al-Maseeh Al-Dajjaal of the hadiths who will find it difficult to deceive even a mad man (let alone a Jew!) because another physical feature which also exposes him, apart from having one eye, is that he will also have the word "Kafir" branded on his forehead. What a smart way for Dajjal to hide his deceptive agenda?
Unless you are living in fantasy land, the real CRISIS which will bring tribulation (war and death) upon the face of the earth will not be fictional but will be relevant to the biggest issue of our present time: whether Jesus was CRUCIFIED (Isaiah 53, Psalm 22, Mark 10:45, John 20:26-29) and is the SON OF GOD (Daniel 7:13-14, Isaiah 9:1-6, 2 Samuel 7:12-14) as he said he was, in view of QS 4:171 and 4:157.
[In essence the Son is God and God is SPIRIT. Jesus confirmed that God is ONE (Mark 12:29). The Son is ONE with the Father (John 10:30, John 14:8:11) and was not "beget" (QS19:35, QS 9:30) nor did the Father need a biological wife (QS 6:101) because the Son already existed in eternity (Micah 5:2) as spirit BEFORE he TEMPORARILY took the form of a man through Mary. Jesus IS Lord and is worshipped today and FOREVER (as spirit, not man) to the glory of the Father (Daniel 7:13-14, Philippians 2:7-11)]
2. Who then will be the REAL Antichrist and could Muslims and Christians fight on the opposite sides of the final battle of good and evil or will they join forces and fight on the same side against the real Antichrist forces? Will the Antichrist deny the Sonship and Crucifixion of Jesus Christ or will the Antichrist be the one-eyed Al-Maseeh Al-Dajjaal?
Which prophecy will you now trust? Beloved, as was clearly demonstrated previously, any wise person would know that they would be condemning their eternity to hell if they foolishly still trust Islamic prophecies, after they have evidently been proven to be largely a shameful corruption of Bible prophecy from the book of Revelation.
How could Muslims and Christians fight on the same side IF:
1. they are polar opposite, not just in their knowledge of the the Antichrist but of the Christ? The word 'Antichrist' originates from 'Christ' (to IMITATE or to be AGAINST Christ).
2. they do not believe in the same God. The claims which Allah (QS 29:46) and the God of the Bible (the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) make about themselves are so HOSTILE to each other for them to be the same God (even though they both call themselves GOD and declare that they are ONE). Yet there can only be one true God, not two.
The result is that IF both Christian and Islamic eschatology are fulfilled, the one who will be Al-Maseeh to one religion, will be Al-Maseeh Al-Dajjaal to the other (the REAL one, not the one-eyed one!). In a sense, Al Mahdi (whom it is said will be superior to Isa, is regarded as a sort of "Messianic deliverer" or "savior") is Al Messiah to Islam-an IMITATION of the attributes reserved for Al Maseeh, Jesus Christ. It is believed Al Mahdi will bring "peace and justice" to the world.
Who then will be the REAL Antichrist? Could EITHER the appearing Jesus Christ the Son of God or the Mahdi be ANTICHRIST to the opposing religion?
The scale of the deception which began generations ago is such that Christians and Muslims each believe to worship the creator of the heavens and the earth, with Muslims believing that Allah of the Qur’an is this creator who sent the previous scriptures (QS 5:44-47) and that the final prophet is found in the previous scriptures (QS 7:157 and 61:6).
However, the previous scriptures state clearly:
"The law and the prophets were UNTIL JOHN: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Luke 16:16.
John the Baptist was the LAST prophet, meaning that Jesus, who came after John, was not a prophet (this proves that Muhammad was not a prophet of the true God). What was John's prophecy? Who was Jesus? John prophesied about the coming of the "one who is MORE POWERFUL than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."
(Matthew 3:11).
John Testified that Jesus is the Son of God (John 1:34)
So there was to be no final revelation through a "seal of the prophets". Any revelation which would be a "guardian over the previous scriptures" (as claimed in QS 5:48) would not be of God, for God in the "past spoke through the prophets" but "has in the last days spoken through his Son" (Hebrews 1:1-2)
A disturbing prophecy which shows that the two religions are not of the SAME God and why one of the religions will fight AGAINST the Antichrist forces and the other FOR the Antichrist forces is the prophecy of the "Beast from the Earth".
[NOTE: in Bible terms, a beast is a personality who has rule over the world]
The ORIGINAL prophecy of the beast from the earth is recorded in the book of Revelation (13:10-18) which speaks of Satan (long disguised as God) and his Antichrist system prevailing in the last 7 years of the world [Daniel's one week prophecy: one day for a year prophecy=7 years (Daniel 9:27)]. The SECOND "Beast" (the beast from the earth) of the last 7 years will deceive and cause as many to receive the MARK of the FIRST beast (Antichrist) on the forehead. Only those having the mark of the Antichrist will be allowed to BUY and SELL (Revelation 13:16-18). Those who believe Jesus as the Son of God will refuse the mark and they will be beheaded for their faith, and received with glory in the kingdom of God (Rev 20:4). But God will condemn to HELL those who will receive the mark of the beast (Revelations 14:9-10) because they disbelieved that Jesus is the Son of God [as confirmed in the old testament (Daniel 7:13-14 or Isaiah 9:6)] and worshipped the false god of this world instead
Surprisingly, Islam/the Islamic Caliphate (like the Antichrist system) will also prevail in the last 7 years (Sunan Abi Dawud 4286).
Strangely, the Qur’an (27:82) and hadith "beast from the earth" prophecy (which is a corruption of Revelation 13:10-18) instruct Muslims to do the OPPOSITE! They must receive the mark from the "Beast from the Earth" or Dābbat al-Arḍ (Sunan Ibn Majah 4066 and Musnad Aḥmad 22309) and they will be allowed to BUY or SELL and be marked as the believers of Allah and will go to HEAVEN. [see video link of the Islamic Mark of the Beast (presented by Muslim) in the 4th "chapter" of this article]
Which of the two prophecies will you trust?
This obvious contradiction shows plainly and certainly, that Allah of the Qur’an and the God of the Bible are NOT the same God. One is Satan disguised as the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
IF the opposing hadith beast prophecy, copied and misrepresented from the book of Revelation is fulfilled, could Islam be the Antichrist religion of the last 7 years, before the return of the true Jesus, which will behead (Revelations 13:15 and QS8:12-13) those who do not believe in its god and refuse to make allegiance to the Antichrist? Beheaded will be those who refuse to receive the mark of the beast reserved for the believers in Allah.
The contradicting prophecies between Christianity and Islam are NOT just down to 'matters over which we used to differ' and which Allah of the Qur’an will "inform" us of when we "return" to him or different "communities" competiting in "good deeds" with each community having been given its own "code of law" (QS 5:48). Is God the author of confusion that he should give one truth but different communities of faith competing from different standards of good deeds? To me my religion to you yours? With the true God, there is one TRUTH and one WAY to eternal LIFE (John 14:6)
There is a WAY that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of DEATH.
(Proverbs 14:12)
Instead, the contradicting prophecies have come about as a result of the deception by Satan who desires to be worshipped disguised as a god of "righteous deeds"-the god of RIGHTEOUSNESS and LIGHT. How?
Do beloved Muslims know that Satan is the deceptive angel that God cast down to the earth or that 600 years before the mysterious ANGELIC being and the SERVANT of Allah, Muhammad, met in a cave, the apostles wrote a letter to believers at Corinth, warning them not to be deceived by Satan disguised as an "ANGEL of light" and his "SERVANTS of righteousness":
"And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an ANGEL of LIGHT. So it is no surprise if his SERVANTS, also, disguise themselves as SERVANTS of RIGHTEOUSNESS. Their end will correspond to their deeds".
2 Corinthians 11:14-15
(Research about Joseph Smith of the cultic Mormon church, another SERVANT of righteousness who was also visited by an ANGEL which gave him verses to write)
Don't be deceived by a religion declaring itself a religion of righteous deeds: praying (to its god as God), giving money to the poor and warning against sin. for Satan mixes good with evil inorder to deceive. Satan's religion is an imitation of and deceptively similar to the religion of the true God. A fake $100 bill must look like the original for it to have any chance of deceiving the receiver. Satan is the master of deception and is disguised as the one God, not Satan (Isaiah 14:12-14) and desires to be worshipped (Matthew 1:9). It makes sense that Satan will disguise himself as God and even warn against himself inorder to deceive you and hide his true identity. Satan has deceived billions away from worshipping the true God and into committing idolatry by worshipping him instead.
Our brothers dawah is superb! I haven’t seen such beautiful way of speaking, the politeness, and articulations.
I like how this conversation is so calm and respectful,,let me appreciate all three people participating
Amazing dawah work you all are doing. May Allah give heaps of Barakah upon you, your family and companions. Ameen.
@23:50 she mentions about you having to be baptised to get this spirituality to be saved. Well I was baptised as a baby, never had any of that experience, trinity nor the Christian belief never made sense to me, hence at 18 I became Muslim Alhamdulillah. So I just debunked what she’s saying.
re: " Well I was baptised as a baby, never had any of that experience" >> I'm sorry my friend, but you were NOT 'baptised'! No one is 'baptised' as a baby! According to the Bible, baptism is ONLY the response of a person whose OWN personal CONSCIENCE has changed because of CHRIST. To be baptised = TO TESTIFY OF YOUR EXPERIENCE OF CHRIST. Organisations that 'baptise' or 'christen' babies are acting OUTSIDE OF SCRIPTURE. There is no precedent for baptising babies, in scripture. This is why ALL of the people who were baptised in the Bible, were either adults or children old enough to understand the Bible, such as teenagers, etc.
Additionally no one is accepted for Baptism if they do not accept Christian doctrine. This is why you were NEVER baptised.
re: "So I just debunked what she’s saying" >> NO - you simply do not understand what she is saying! That is entirely different.
@@peaceinjesus5221 according to the Bible
Which one?
How do u know Bible is the word of God?
Is there proof of just blind faith pls ans
No disrespect
@@AM-dn1iq Is there proof that Mohammed heard any spirit being in the cave or just blind faith?
@@AM-dn1iq re: "according to the Bible - Which one?" >> I'm not sure what you mean by this question. The Bible is in Hebrew and Greek.
@@peaceinjesus5221 what a deceptive person you are, every time I see you posting comments somewhere I see that you measure with two measures
1. You're asking a question responding a question because you're a troll and you have no idea you're shooting yourself in the foot. Typical.
2. Do you have evidence that John received revelation from an angel on the island of Patmos (Book of Revelation 1:1)
Do you have proof that Daniel received revelation from an angel ( Daniel 9 ).
Do you have proof that Moses received revelation on the mountain (exodes 3)
Do you have evidence that your prophet Paul received revelation from Jesus?
all NO eye witnesses but just blind faith ?
Math 7:3Why do you see the mote in your brother's eye, but see not the beam in your own eye?
4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me take the speck out of thine eye; and behold, there is a beam in thine own eye?
5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye
I love the smoothness of the conversation🥰 Love from Somalia
Collin works so hard and researches so much to try and prove the nonsensical does indeed make sense. He's not comfortable with the church's dogma or he would not be investigating so earnestly for a plausible explanation. Dr. Imran is at easy because the true is self evident and is accessible by all .....not just the those immersed in water or visited by ghosts. G-d is not the author of confusion.
The explanation that most Christians give about the trinity is the same or similar to the one given by the lady in the video. The one based on blind faith and concluding that it is a mystery which makes absolutely no sense.
This is the reason why some Christians are trying so hard to find evidence to support the trinity or at least a better and near rational explanation.
The explanation that most Christians give about the trinity is the same or similar to the one given by the lady in the video. The one based on blind faith and concluding that it is a mystery which makes absolutely no sense.
This is the reason why some Christians are trying so hard to find evidence to support the trinity or at least a better and near rational explanation.
Mark my work. InsyaAllah, Collin will eventually convert to Islam and brcome another hard core fighter for Islam. He seems genuinely interested in learning, and he was respectful, trying his level best to defend Christianity. He will realise someday that Christianity is beyond help and defend and convert to Islam with all his heart & mind.
@@linsresidence8390 Convert to religion of Mohammed? Sure, if he is driven by lust for virgins and the desire for whatever he wants in Allah's Jannah.
@@linsresidence8390 İnşaAllah..
Good to see brother Imran here....nice camera and sound quality EFDawah.
Very interesting discussion, with great points made by both sides; enjoyed it - thanks for uploading.
I must say that Islamic hat is amazing I am thinking to get one
Nice hat, but there is no Islamic hat it is from the culture and society, the sunnah is to cover your head by any material.
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Islam dont have any hat, most hat is from a culture not a religion..
@@alibari94 Muslim men are not required to cover their heads, only their private parts, as stated in the Quran, Surat 24:30.
I do think that Collin is a nice guy, from the videos I have seen, but the level of cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics he tries to go through to justify his belief is staggering.
"Judaísmo"
@@Ss_3c why would he need to justify his believe to anyone ? He is just out of mercy trying to help others find peace through religion …
the old Catholic guy plays the Satan role...whenever he sees the brothers given Dawah he gets in the middle to ditract them from hearing the truth and runs away
I would politely tell him to leave, it gets annoying after a while.
Tbh she sounds like someone who is not willing to think whether are not what you say makes sense.
I notice that. He definitely behave Satan like. He doesn't want people to be guided
MashaAllah I love how kindly and patiently he speaks to everyone! May Allah(swt) bless him and guide the brother and sister to Islam. Ameen!
There is no crowd but the conversation is so good and good level of communication amazing can watch for hours
I only wished it was longer, amazing discussion, learnt more than i thought i would, allhamdullilah.
That Christian guy is always popping up out of nowhere like he some shaytaan 😂😂😂
Sometimes the two people are actually working together and their arguments are predetermined and orchestrated but they only pretend not to know one another in front of the people they are targeting as part of the strategy they are using in their missionary tactics
@@mohammedahmad8039 ahh okay make sense
The devil is always working
Nice perspective on the justice, never thought about this. We can be just between humans but god doesn’t need our payment, he can forgive us whenever he wishes.
Alhamdullilah for Islam 🤲
Dear brothers Allah bless you you are doing great work on this planet and we love you
I am always impressed with Dr. Imran. ALLAH has blessed him with reasoning and knowledge. I pray that may ALLAH raise him in Eman more and more. What a pleasure to listen to him, always. Stay blessed sir. Ameen
Great work brother 👏
Keep up the dawah. May Allah award you abundantly,in this world and hereafter, Aameen 🙏 🙏 🙏
Why do they always have to jump in an interrupt a conversation between 2 people
If your invited in by all means but if 2 people are talking sit back and have some courtesy and respect for others.
Sometimes the two people are actually working together and their arguments are predetermined and orchestrated but they only pretend not to know one another in front of the people they are targeting as part of the strategy they are using in their missionary tactics
They are very creepy. You just find them lurking around for victims
They are there to waste dawah time
Satan is at work 🤣
Thanks for this nice conversation and you're very humble ,I'm trying to learn from you and all of your group's god bless you all
Good and polite discussion, this is how SC should be 👏🏽. Not a shouting match or act for the camera.
I love the manner in which you speak my brother may Allah bless and preserve you aameen
The logic shown in this discussion by those two Christians is very similar to the type of logic that I have experienced coming from the majority of the Christians who were actual believers and were not just culturally Christian and with whom I had religious discussions with, and it seems to always start with a predetermined conclusion and works it’s way backwards and tries to fit the pieces of available information in a patchwork jigsaw puzzle methodology to invent what only they think is evidence (due to their emotional attachment to the process).
Christians literally have human beings who never met Jesus Christ Who theorized what the nature of God was (who are referred to as the church fathers) and also human bishops who came centuries after them and who under the instructions of Emperor Constantin they voted on those ideas few centuries after the death of Jesus Christ in the subsequent christian councils and also voted on what the relationship of Jesus Christ was to the father while non of those mere human beings is obviously Jesus Christ himself nor did any of them knew or met Jesus Christ in person, yet those bishops were very happy telling everyone else things that Jesus Christ himself never explicitly mentioned or explained and from those councils onwards the majority of the effort afterwards went into attempts to make sense of the outcome of those human votes and to concoct evidence to support this human decision about the nature of the Divine by adding a layer of implicit meaning to a biblical text that doesn’t remotely or explicitly say what those people claim the text says.
Also based on my experience with those same Christians, I am unable to even reason with them using points from the Bible itself, because they have a methodology of explaining discrepancies by assigning a literal understanding to the language that confirms their predetermined beliefs while assigning a metaphorical value to the verses that explicitly contradict their claims and go off on a nonsensical tangent when doing that
They will tell me “you are not seeing the evidence because you need to believe first” They even call their requirement of having to believe without evidence “being touched by Jesus” or “having the spirit” just like these two Christians said in the video so their claim is only if a person have the “spirit” then this person would be able to see which verses are meant to be interpreted “by the letter of what is being said” and which verses are meant to be interpreted by the “sprite of what is being said”
So according to the Christians I am used to engaging with, you should not be using your brain and they justify that with claiming that the human nature is corrupt because of original sin and that a person would be deceived by the devil if this person used their intellect or was analytical or tried to be objective.
So basically they use pure circular reasoning then add to it an additional strategy to guilt people who question the reasoning and conclusions those Christians are pushing on people then tell those people that they are corrupted and that using their brains will only lead them astray.
Needless to say, the rest of us call the approach that those Christians I was referring to as “Confirmation bias” and “Cognitive dissonance”
No wonder this type of thinking pushed westerners towards agnosticism and atheism
الحمدلله على نعمة الاسلام
[They will tell me “you are not seeing the evidence because you need to believe first” They even call their requirement of having to believe without evidence “b eing touched by Jesus” or “having the spirit” just like these two Christians said in the video so their claim is only if a person have the “spirit” then this person would be able to see which verses are meant to be interpreted “by the letter of what is being said” and which verses are meant to be interpreted by the “sprite of what is being said”] >> ...and what if they are in fact, correct? You make these statements presumptiously, but you are not categorically able to say that what these Christians have said is right or wrong!
So the first question you should be asking yourself, is "Have I (that is YOU), been transformed by the Spirit of God?" You should be able to answer this immediately with "No - I don't know what you are talking about!" That would be your honest answer and it would be fair enough - no one would argue with you, that you weren't telling the truth! Your second question if you are intelligently pursuing this, is: "How and when did the person I am talking to, become internally transformed by the Spirit of Christ and what happened?" Instead of intelligently asking these questions, you are completely ignoring them, as if they have no consequence, despite the fact that you are claiming the Christians have emphasised that it is the enlightenment of Christ that has enabled them to understand the scriptures as Jesus himself stated in John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." As a Christian, I can confirm that it is absolutely true that the Bible comes to life as a consistent message from God, when a person has been converted to Christ, having the Holy Spirit in them. This is what happened to me at the age of 24, when I was radically changed by Christ, when I was overcome by his Almighty power. Christ changed me on the inside out, changing my thoughts, my desires, my hope, my trust, my habits and filling me with His mighty Peace, Love and Joy that is simply indescribable!
Now a note on how Christians interpret scripture. The rule of Christian interpretation is that the Bible interprets the Bible. The Bible is one consistent message from God and because of this, it is God's word that interprets God's word! In order to be able to read and interpret the Bible as God intends it to be understood, YOU WILL NEED TO BE A CHRISTIAN! Now, I would have the same problem as you, if I tried to understand the Quran, but for a different reason. Your Quran is interpreted for you by Islamic commentaries. Without the commentaries, if I as a Christian tried to interpret your Quran, I would not get the same understanding as you from it! I might complain (like you are about Christians) and say, 'look' it says 'strike the necks of the unbelievers', but you might say, 'no it doesn't mean I must kill all non Muslims!" To understand the text, requires guidance! For the Christian, that guidance is fundamentally from Christ by spiritual guidance. Christians also use commentaries, but these are also spiritually understood.
The Bible is a far more complex writing than the Quran which is a relatively simple text. This is one reason why many people do not understand it - Muslims in particular! The Bible has roots which run deep in the Word of God and connects it to one spiritual tree - the Tree of Life, which we find mentioned in Genesis in the Garden of Eden and in the book of Revelation at the end. Everything between these is all connected to its roots!
Multiple genres appear in the Bible and each genre must be understood and taken into account in interpreting the scriptures it contains. For instance Chronicles contains history, Leviticus - law, Psalms - prophetic poetry, Provers - wisdom literature, Prophets - prophecies of the present and the future, Gospels - ancient biographies composed to convey a message to its audience, Epistles - letters advising and teaching the 1st century churches and churches today by extension, Revelation - apocalyptic prophecy consisting of symbolic language...and so on. Some things have to be understood literally but other things have to be understood in their symbolic genre or poetic inference. So even putting aside the spiritual guidance that a Christian has, a non Christian, who does not understand how to read each genre, is liable to grossly misundertand what he is reading unless he seeks guidance from Christians or Christian commentaries, etc.
re: ["So according to the Christians I am used to engaging with, you should not be using your brain and they justify that with claiming that the human nature is corrupt because of original sin and that a person would be deceived by the devil if this person used their intellect or was analytical or tried to be objective."] >> No, this is complete nonsense! As a Christian, we use all that God has given us, to understand the text, including analysing the text and understanding the context and environment it was written in, the time period and the audience it was written to. What you are doing in this statement is completely misrepresenting us Christians as complete idiots! You are misrepresenting and underestimating us!
re: "Needless to say, the rest of us call the approach that those Christians I was referring to as “Confirmation bias” and “Cognitive dissonance”" >> Confirmation bias is not limited to ANY particular group of people. The idea behind confirmation bias, is that anyone with any persuasion or ideology (for instance Islam), seeks to prove their own beliefs by finding anything that they think supports their ideas! For instance when I have addressed the problems of Surah 4:157-158 with Muslims about the wrong claims in the verse about Jesus not being crucified, even when there is overwhelming balance of probability that he was, against no proof that he wasnt, I have found that a Muslim will go to any length to support his belief that Jesus wasn't crucified!! A prime example of this, is Zakir Naik's arguments which millions of Muslims have followed, idolising him, when he makes grossly incorrect claims about the crucifixion and resurrection! Examination of Naik's claims reveal that he is so desperate to deny the crucifixion that he comes up with endless inventions of his own imagination, rather than to accept the simple historical truth that Jesus was crucified, died and resurrected! This is a prime example of Confirmation Bias in Muslims.
Please note that when you said above that you have to ne Christian first to see the evidence then that would work as my signal to not bother engaging with your arguments.
Any person can make this claim about any ideology, so you have to believe the earth is flat / global warming is not real or any other unsubstantiated claims to be able to see the evidence on those unsubstantiated claims
But that’s not how things work now … is it
But thank you anyway for providing even more evidence in support of exactly what I said above.
I am not going to respond to the over refuted points you raised above against the Muslim position because anyone who is sincere would not have a problem looking up the responses and finding out how wrong you are
Having said that, Maybe insisting on using cognitive dissonance to confirm your blind faith, while refusing to think critically, and using blatant confirmation bias works for you and that’s your own personal choice, but repeating back to me the same nonsense that I was being critical of in the first place in my initial post just proved to everyone the point I was making about people like you while serving as additional evidence of complete lack of basic understanding from your part on the topic being raised itself
If you are not even able to realize that each denomination of Christianity claims to have the proper guidance of the holly spirit while still having significantly different beliefs to other denominations and continuing to argue that their specific understanding of Christianity is in fact the proper understanding, only serves as evidence that people like you are expressing their personal opinions then using the claims of having “the holly spirit” as a justification for their personal whims. So If you are not even able to realize that, then I don’t believe you have the capability to understand the argument
It’s funny how your own Bible says God is not the author of confusion, yet every Christian I met has their own different understanding that is totally different to others while also claiming guidance from the same God (who is causing all of them confusion) while there is a much simpler and more rational explanation that I find more convincing which is that God has nothing to do with what you people are claiming because it is fallible people who are mistakenly under the impression that they are being guided by God are interpreting things the way they want and create confusion and manipulate what the Bible says (If you are seriously going to claim as you did above that the Bible explains the Bible then watch Rabbi Tovia Singer to understand how your interpretation of the New Testament is in complete opposition to the Old Testament while both are “the Bible” that you are saying is allegedly supposed to explain itself. Otherwise you can also watch Christians disagreeing on what the particular verses in the Bible mean then incidentally claim guidance by the same holly spirit)
And yes we have memorized the nonsensical explanations that people like you offer on this topic so if you don’t want to watch the videos to understand how people are literally repeating themselves now then at least please don’t respond and repeat the same claims AGAIN the same way you responded to my posts above by repeating exactly what I said a person like you you would !!!
There is no point in having a discussion with people who at this point have reduced the process to copying and pasting over and over ,
So bye bye 👋 👋 👋
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The Muslim said God has given us reason. So why can't Christians use reason to theorize on the nature of God? The Muslim scholastic tradition did that when they theorized on the categories of Tawheed. When you say that so and so theory about the nature of God does, or does not make sense, you are theorizing about the nature of God!
Your prophet was also a human being who never met Jesus. So how can we trust his "theories" about Jesus? Stop being a hypocrite.
A Muslim talking about cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias?? Hello, have you encountered Islam??
@@tictac7359 What are you talking about?
Boy…..Why do you people keep proving the point I am making about you over and over again when all you need to do is go spend some time studying and thinking about those topics before you approach people of other faiths and argue with them in person or on social media without showing the least bit of understanding of what you are talking about ?????
I hope you like reading because it’s going to take some effort to unpack what you just said.
I feel like I need to teach you people fundamental topics and basics seeing how the Christian missionaries and apologists have messed up your heads and did a number on you (a piece of advice, whatever your religion is or lack of religion for that matter please at least switch to objective academic lectures instead of watching Christian apologists to avoid looking ignorant the way you do right now)
So, since you posted the above nonsense already, allow me to analyze what you posted and take it as an opportunity to explain to you why I said what I said in my above two comments as well as repeating it again in this comment.
@@tictac7359 I will start by addressing the first point you raised in the argument you made when you made the claim that since God gave us the ability to reason, then that in of itself is sufficient as a qualification to theorize about the nature of God.
Please note that I feel like I need to explain to you that as human beings we can only use our reason to reach the conclusion of the existence of a single Creator (if you want to understand how we can do that then I highly recommend you check out the UA-cam channel “Thought Adventure Podcast” for more detailed discussions), but reaching the conclusion of the existence of a single Creator is our human limit because to go beyond that point, we can only understand God through direct revelation from God himself and only through what God explicitly informs us about himself (explicitly in the scriptures and only explicitly because otherwise it would only amount to pure unsubstantiated speculation that we as human beings don’t have the ability nor the capability to delve into due to our limitations) and the Quran is clear on that front that we as human beings should not speculate on the Divine Nature or any other Divine matters as we do not and will not have the capacity to understand those issues unless God explicitly explains them to us in the Divine Revelation, and Muslims are even forbidden from making claims about God that are not explicitly given in the scripture and the Quran explicitly states that:
Quran chapter 2 verses 168-169
“O mankind! Eat of that which is lawful and wholesome in the earth, and do not follow the footsteps of the devil. Lo! he is an open enemy for you.
He always commands you to do what is evil and indecent, and to say things about God that you do not really know.”
So I don’t understand how you can make the claim that you did above about Tawheed when in fact; from the Muslim understanding, speculations about the nature of God is a sin that would entail eternal punishment.
This is one of the reasons I have an issue with Trinitarianism.
What we know about God from the Quran is that, the English translation of the verse in the Quran that describes God says “There is nothing like Him.” But if you read the Arabic it says “لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَيْءٌ” which is a structure that is using two layers of negation to mean:
1. There nothing in creation that resembles God
2. There is nothing in creation that even comes close to resembling God
So because the Muslim understanding of God is that there is nothing in creation that resembles God and that God is not bound within the physicality of time, matter and space like the creation is, then we can only agree to being able to observe God’s powers by observing and thinking about our own existence and in the existence of creation itself and that this is sufficient as evidence of God’s existence, but we can NOT take the same quality that we observe in creation and extend it or apply it onto the Creator himself because doing that in of itself is a reasoning that assumes that the Creator shares commonality with creation which makes it a self collapsing argument from a Muslim perspective (because There nothing in creation that resembles God or even comes close to resembling God)
Because such reasoning of trying to understand God through the physicality of time, matter and space ends up on a trajectory of anthropomorphism and assigning qualities found in creation onto the Creator which is a paganistic mindset (so from my perspective I don’t find it strange that when the Abrahamic Monotheism represented by Judaism was adopted with a Hellenistic lenses that allow for both multiple divine beings as well as various degrees of divinity that the monotheistic concept itself gradually morphed into what Rabbi Tovia Singer describes, and I quote “absolute paganism” in his reference to the trinity)
Not to forget that another real problem that Trinitarians have to resolve is “The logical problem of the Trinity” so I advise you to watch Jake “The Muslim metaphysician” to understand why it’s problematic particularly when their own Christian Bible explicitly states in 1 Corinthians 14:33 that “God is not the author of confusion”
Ma'sha'Allah may allah give me the patience and manners of this brother and even better than that ameen.
Nice.. The audio very clear
I appreciate and respect your kindness, patience, and active listening
Love this conversation thanks a lot to them
Israel has not been abandoned, God is getting Married to Israel
Isaiah 45:17-The Lord will save Israel with eternal salvation. You will not be ashamed or humiliated, throughout the eternal ages.
Hosea 2:19 You (Israel) are
👉👉👉my wife forever
(Christians)
👉👉👉as the wife of God
Hosea 2:16
you will call me
👉👉👉'my husband,'
and no longer call me 'my master.'
Israel is God's beloved bride becoming the wife of God
(Israel= the Church, God's beloved people JEWS+GENTILES)
Revelation 19:7
For the wedding of the Lamb (Jesus our God the Groom) has come, and his bride (Israel/Church) has made herself ready.
Revelation 19:9
Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding
DO YOU ALSO WANT TO BE GOD'S BRIDE? COME FOLLOW YOUR GROOM GOD-JESUS
@@johnpreacher8749 do you hear yourself? God getting married? What are you on about? The whole earth is like an atom, it's nonexistent compared to His glory and majesty.
I wonder how this lady would’ve answered questions regarding the teaching of Jesus, even versus in their bible where Jesus explicitly says he is not to be worshipped …
Can you please show me in the bible where JESUS rejected being worshipped?
@@emmanueledem6641 Mark 10:18 - “why do you call me good? no one is good, except God alone” MARK 13:32 - look it up -- the better question is, show me where he calls to be worshipped.
@@emmanueledem6641 The bible is full of evidence *against* the trinity. Christians who recognize and accept.this usually revert to Islam. Only religion that makes sense.
@@fluhasipi4940 he’s not rejecting worship there bro…🤦🏾♂️
Imran and Abas are my favorite speakers👍🇮🇩
Are you on Islam?
Actually the most respectful discussion led by a Muslim that I have ever seen. I say this as a Christian - I like the way how you discuss issues reasonably although I disagree on many arguments you share here. But keep up the good work!
Dr. Imran, please engage more, like this. You're clear, precise and sound very logical with this conviction. JazakAllah.
Allah-u-akbar
جزاكم الله خيرا
I love how he explained the lack of belief in the trinity. this is exactly what happened to me in christianity. i tried for years to put trust in the other christians who told me God was a trinity, but I didnt see it in the Old Testament, and I saw all the issues in the new testament. I could not, and still cannot believe in a trinitarian God. It does not compute for my sense of logic no matter how hard I try. I fully grasp intellectually the concept, I just can't trust that it's true. She is wrong about baptism as well, I was baptized in the most ideal way as described in the earliest recorded Christian text, the Didache. I was baptized in natural running water (a river) and fully submersed in the name of the trinity and then anointed with oil. The experience was powerful, but it wasn't from God and it definitely didn't infuse any knowledge and wisdom in to me about the trinity.
Masyallah, I love this brother calmness when he preaching.. May Allah bless you brother.. Salam and love from Malaysia 🇲🇾
What more amazing hes a phycisian. He able to manage his time for the good of ummah. From a Malaysian aboard.♥️🇲🇾.
This guy always jumps in when he sees brother imran having a 1 on 1 conversation with anyone, he knows there is a high chance she/he might convert to Islam so he jumps in and presents his Christianity LOL
I like this “ it’s supernatural wisdom” 😂😂😂
Nice explanation..keep going
Alhamdulillah for islam
indeed brother inseed
Mashallah I love listening to him, his articulation is really good.
superb video and audio quality. Amazing daie..
This was very educational and civilized discussion. No shouting, disrespect, or degrading each other belief. It was pleasant to watch and understand both side discussions. The final point was an eye opening to the Christians that the spirit is also a creation of God, NOT GOD!
I love the doctor. I would love to see more from him
i love this man , i think muslim speaker corner should act like this guy .. no preach just give some opinion and let them respon
Alhamdulillah... hidayah from Allah 👍👍👍
Unbelievable Fact 👉🏻explaining Christianity with the bible is impossible🤦♂
In maths 1+1+1 = 3 , but in Christianity 1+1+1 = 1 🤦♂
My father, me & my mum are 3, but in Christianity the father, the son & the holy spirit are ONE 🤦♂
To preach Islam we muslims use the Quran & Hadith, but the Christians must avoid the bible to preach Christianity 🤦♂
C0UNT THE APPLES 🍏 🍎 🍏
ALL MUSLIMS AGREE 3 apples
ALL SCHOOLS AGREE 3 apples
BUT THE CHRISTIANS CAN ONLY SEE ONE APPLE 🤦♂
John 1:1 In the beguining was the word / and the word was with God / and the word was God,
Sura 4:151. Jesus son of Marian was a prophet, and word from Allah and a spirit from allah.
Prophet= man ; word = a divine being that took modify his divinity to be visible to human ; spirit from allah = an immaterial being.
Sura 66:12
Allah enter Marian womd and breath the spirit into her , " we breath the spirit into her womb.
Allah had to come enter the planet and go to Marian to place the spirit into her womb .
The quran confirm the diety of jesus.
You see how easy Allah explain his revelations.
@@sura2proyect428 why are you lying sura 4 ayah 151 is "they are indeed the true disbelievers. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment." And surah 66 ayat 12 is "˹There is˺ also ˹the example of˺ Mary, the daughter of ’Imrân, who guarded her chastity, so We breathed into her ˹womb˺ through Our angel ˹Gabriel˺.1 She testified to the words of her Lord and His Scriptures, and was one of the ˹sincerely˺ devout." Without lies arguments against Islam dies.
@@nomore3346 First of all the quran 66:12 is lying and misinforming
Its a big mistake. To say that Mary is the daughter of of Imran 😄 🤣 😂 😆
Yes allah said we breath into her womb. The language is clear.
You see allah could take the spirit and put in his hand ✋ enter ith his hand enter her p.part and place the spirit into.
But the story is that the spirit come from the mouth of allah. So he enter his mouth into her womb and breath 🤔 😳
You see the quran never says that allah from outside breath into the stomach of Mary. Quran is clear. Allah enter by her private part to breath in the spirit.
Sura 66:12. And Mary, the daughter of Imran who guarded her womb, and so We breathed into her of Our Spirit; and she believed in the truth of her Lord’s Words and His Books, and was one of the devout
@@sura2proyect428 LOL your poor logic and lies
@@thetruthwithproof8802
My question is, if Mohammad says. You are incapable to read the quran is a diffrent dialect.
( and jibril said. It has been ordained to you to recite the quran in one dialect to which the prophet said, "i beg you pardon and forgiveness my people is incapable to recite the quran in one dialect." Please jibril tell allah to reveal in seven dialect. My m people in incapable. .....
Dialect is not a diffrent language, is the same language with minors differences in pronunciation
His people are incapable
Therefore
What make tou think you can understand the Bible
Sura 3 :7
It is He who revealed to you the Book. Some of its verses are definitive; they are the foundation of the Book, and others are unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation, they follow the unspecific part, seeking dissent, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none knows its interpretation except God and those firmly rooted in knowledge say, “We believe in it; all is from our Lord.” But none recollects except those with understanding.
And allah knows best
Fawa 35:86
Brother Imran you should stop allowing the insincere man to keep interrupting your dawah
Where I can find Arabic translation of this video ?
أين أجد ترجمة هذا الفيديو ؟
عندهم نفس القناة تشمل ترجمة بالعربي القناة اسمها
efdawah بالعربية
لكن الفيديو ما نزل هناك لان عاده ياخذ وقت للترجمة قبل النشر فبالامكان الاشتراك في قناتهم بالنسخة العربية و تفعيل الجرس علشان تعرف اذا نزل فيديوهات جديده
Thank you for making this video
Paulism competes to betray the teachings of Jesus PBUH 🕵🏻♂️🤔🥀
Alhamdulilah for Islam
Brothers Imran, Abbas and the Lion Hamza are the triple gems of dawah! May Allah reward them in abundance.
الدكتور عمران أدب وأخلاق
وفهم وعِلم بارك الله فيك
Israel has not been abandoned, God is getting Married to Israel
Isaiah 45:17-The Lord will save Israel with eternal salvation. You will not be ashamed or humiliated, throughout the eternal ages.
Hosea 2:19 You (Israel) are
👉👉👉my wife forever
(Christians)
👉👉👉as the wife of God
Hosea 2:16
you will call me
👉👉👉'my husband,'
and no longer call me 'my master.'
Israel is God's beloved bride becoming the wife of God
(Israel= the Church, God's beloved people JEWS+GENTILES)
Revelation 19:7
For the wedding of the Lamb (Jesus our God the Groom) has come, and his bride (Israel/Church) has made herself ready.
Revelation 19:9
Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding
DO YOU ALSO WANT TO BE GOD'S BRIDE? COME FOLLOW YOUR GROOM GOD-JESUS
Personal recommendation to the channel to use different titles because I feel bad sending this to my Christian friends.
Sheitan prevents this woman to be guided😏 May Allah (sw) give her another chance and guide her 🤲🏿
Good quality camera images
Masha’Allah beautiful and civil discussion. Well balanced and informative. Barak Allah Fek Br. Imran. May Allah Bless everyone in this discussion and those who bright it to us. Amen.
I remember listening to a similar conversation when I was a kid and thinking to myself these Christians were mad. And 50years on l think it takes madness to converse with them
Shouldn't it matter what Jesus himself said about his crucifixion (in view of QS 4:157)?
Jesus Christ clearly said that anyone who DENIES his crucifixion is of SATAN.
[This is found in the Gospels which are confirmed (if you believe the Qur’an) as the eternal and unalterable (incorruptible) word of Allah) and which Christians had with them and should judge themselves by. (QS 18:27, 5:43, 5:47, 3:3-4, 6:115 and 7:157). It's the Qur'an's dilemma]
Only SATAN would DENY the crucifixion. Jesus said-referring to his crucifixion- that SATAN would be DEFEATED at the cross:
“Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world (SATAN) be CAST OUT. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth [crucified], will draw all men unto me.” John 12:31-32
‘From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.
Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”
But He [Jesus] turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, SATAN! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”
Matthew 16:23
Any attempt to "save" Jesus from crucifixion would have been SATANIC. Besides, Jesus stated that he could call 12 legions of angels (72 000) to save him from the crucifixion by the Romans if he so wanted but he would not since scripture had to be fulfilled! (Matthew 26:53)
According to Jesus, any person, book or authority which DENIES his crucifixion is of SATAN, offensive and is not mindful of the things of God. The same is true of QS 4:157, which strangely comes 6 CENTURIES AFTER THE EVENT and DENIES-against the testimony of Mary the Mother of Jesus and the disciple John who were with Jesus while he was on the cross.
According to the law of Moses, without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Jesus says, "just as the Son of Man did not come to be SERVED, but to SERVE, and to give His LIFE a ransom for MANY.”
Matthew 20:28.
Jesus is the SERVANT of Isaiah 53 of the Jewish scripture (written long before the Greek, Rome, Paul and Nicea) who bared his soul unto DEATH and bore the SINS OF MANY. Isaiah 53:12 Tanakh Jewish Bible
Soon after his resurrection, Jesus was seen by all his disciples and more than 500 others and spent 40 days with them before ascending to heaven in the same manner that he shall descend to judge the world.
If you DENY the crucified Jesus, you will die in your sins (John 8:7). It's a decision between eternity in heaven or in hell.
Jesus said, AFTER his crucifixion: "blessed are they who have not seen (the nail marks on his hands) and have believed. John 20:29
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."
I Corinthians 1:18
Zechariah, the prophet of old, prophecied about the return of the crucified Messiah in the last days.
“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have PIERCED, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.
Zechariah 12:10
'Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who PIERCED Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
Revelation 1:7
The 5 pillars of Islam will save NOT save you, for in reality the Hajj of the Hajr e aswad (which "expiates sins") and reciting the takbir "Allahu Akbar" to it is IDOLATROUS, an ABOMINATION and BLASPHEMOUS to the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Leviticus 26:1)
@@TheWatchmanWebsite You speak the truth!
@@TheWatchmanWebsite stick to what you know of your faith,and stop forwarding narratives of others,the quran doesn't vindicate your gospels,it refers to the gospel of jesus,which is not the same as Matthew mark etc..its not the quran but verily your dilemma,the bible has been proven to be corrupted not only by non Christians,but Christians themselves,it can't be relied upon
Satan = support debauchery and alcohol, porn, sex outside marriage, sex with same gender, change of creation, partying, sensualism of men and women body, gambling, materialistic, stingy to the poor, arrogant towards another race, stalking other people personal life, bad mouth, bullying, gossiping and backbiting. All of that is opposite of Islam. Conclusion, people who can’t abstain from those sins are of satan.
Masha ALLAH
Coolin: Hi
The lady: Yes yes yes 😁😁😁👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🤩🤩🤩
A real conversation with real people.
Discussion was calm and collective.... Because it was Hatuns day off..... 😂😂
STILL SATAN IF YOUR A MUSLIM......MUSLIMS ARE WAY OFF...
Israel has not been abandoned, God is getting Married to Israel
Isaiah 45:17-The Lord will save Israel with eternal salvation. You will not be ashamed or humiliated, throughout the eternal ages.
Hosea 2:19 You (Israel) are
👉👉👉my wife forever
(Christians)
👉👉👉as the wife of God
Hosea 2:16
you will call me
👉👉👉'my husband,'
and no longer call me 'my master.'
Israel is God's beloved bride becoming the wife of God
(Israel= the Church, God's beloved people JEWS+GENTILES)
Revelation 19:7
For the wedding of the Lamb (Jesus our God the Groom) has come, and his bride (Israel/Church) has made herself ready.
Revelation 19:9
Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding
DO YOU ALSO WANT TO BE GOD'S BRIDE? COME FOLLOW YOUR GROOM GOD-JESUS
بارك الله فيك
Salaam,
I had faith, raised in the church, went to church camp, read the Bible, went to Sunday school, had Bible studies. Why didn’t God give me this Grace? Or higher Wisdom? 😂
The church wants us to have Blind Faith, not to question the inconsistencies and blatant contradictions, not only in the Bible but the concept of the trinity. (In my opinion doesn’t make any sense to a sensible person)
Islam is the Truth! Don’t take my word for it.
Question everything!
Salvation depends on Full Truths not half truths nor somebody else’s truth but that which is TRUE, period.
With payment there is no forgiveness,, simple and logical.
Sinless man pays while crying and nakedly
God submitted to man ... wow
That's an invented standard for forgiveness. The payment is the forgiveness. Jesus paid our debt for us and The Father forgave us of our sins. God is the definer and sets the standard of forgiveness, not man. When you put faith in the sacrifice of Christ for your sins, you take His sinless life record for your own. God The Father then sees Jesus' life record instead of yours.
@@anvilstone1417 If God set the standards, One God just forgives, and the other requires blood shed as payment, I'd say I rather worship the former.
@@anvilstone1417 wow. You think you can fool god!
@@anvilstone1417 so you don't know the difference between payment and forgiveness 😇😇😇
As it is said,,, knowledge is the cure for ignorance..
GET WELL SOON DEAR
اللهم وفق المسلمين دعاتهم ومجاهديهم المتابعين للكتاب والسنه الصحيحه والسلف الصالح والهمهم رشدهم وكافه المسلمين لما تحب وترضى وتقبل منهم واغفر لهم وبارك فيهم وزدهم ولا تنقصهم واحسن عاقبتهم في الأمور كلها واجرهم من خزي الدنيا وعذاب الاخره
اللهم وفق عبادك لما تحب وترضى واجعل لهم القبول في السماء والأرض وافتح له قلوب الناس في مشارق الأرض ومغاربها واكتب لهم الفوز الكبير
Salam, please keep up this good work. Lovely calm, respectful and peaceful conversation. I can only comment on my experiences and as a man we think in a logical trend hence blind faith for the true submitter is unreasonable. On the other hand (everyone is free to disagree or correct me) the feminine gender is emotional and is stronger in the "feeling" side of the intellectual mind hence blind faith might be easier to accept. May GOD guide us all to the right path back to HIM.
وَلَنْ تَرْضَى عَنْكَ الْيَهُودُ وَلا النَّصَارَى حَتَّى تَتَّبِعَ مِلَّتَهُمْ قُلْ إِنَّ هُدَى اللَّهِ هُوَ الْهُدَى وَلَئِنِ اتَّبَعْتَ أَهْوَاءَهُمْ بَعْدَ الَّذِي جَاءَكَ مِنَ الْعِلْمِ مَا لَكَ مِنَ اللَّهِ مِنْ وَلِيٍّ وَلا نَصِيرٍ
Mystery?
Thank God that i am a muslim.
There is no mystery in Islam about God Himself.
God Himself tell everything about Him in a single surah.
No mystery in Islam.
yep... I was waiting for the magical "mystery" word to pop into the convo lol
Brother Imran you’re very patient when Christian’s trying to explain the holy trinity to you.
he says.. Jesus don't need to pay for his sin and yes human can forgive sins of another human being, but he can't save your soul... and who is capable of saving your soul.. it is God, but God is not fond of sinful humans, then who it is? it is Jesus because he understand you because he become a human as well..
If you keep your life in your own hands, you will lose it.
There is a Savior, a Shepherd, an Overseer, a Guardian of souls, one to whom you can trust your soul. You can invest your soul with him. His name is Jesus Christ, He is the only way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through him..
My goodness my brain cells are exhausted trying to wrap myself around all the Christian versions of the triune God, it can’t possibly be this difficult. No wonder people are leaving Christianity and turning to atheism. 😢
Colin, if someone calls you, do they say "half mum come over here..."?
Colin, creation = composite
Yhwh = composite
Colin, you would never identify urself as half ur dad and half ur mum, because
3 distinct conscious person who do not share same spatial location
Colin, was jesus half father and half son?
Christianity is so complicated that you need to have PhD in theology to start to understand it.
Ahh nope...also in Islam to truely get the full experience you need to speak Arabic....so there's that.
@@stephenthompson9722 no you don’t. I’m a British Muslim and I don’t speak Arabic. Many of our Aqeeda, articles of belief, and the Quran has translated into English. So no, you don’t need to speak Arabic.
@@stephenthompson9722 Your comment proves the typical straw manning and misrepresentation behavior that we have become accustomed to and have actually started expecting from people like you.
A child can easily Understand the oneness of God as explained by the Muslim understanding as well as understand the five pillars of Islam as well as the six articles of faith and have all the knowledge they need to be Muslim.
A child can do that with zero needs for being multilingual let a lone needing a PHD
On the other hand the description of the trinity as a mystery didn’t come from a vacuum as People with PHDs are still arguing to this day about the Trinity (If you need a sample go watch Dr James White criticism of Dr William Lane Craig explanation of the trinity as falling into the heresy of modalism) particularly when every rationally coherent and logically consistent explanation of the trinity that any person offered in the past two millenniums has always ended up falling into one of the heretical positions that have already been rejected by the church fathers (because those positions were rejected for good reasons which is they end up being polytheistic so your options are either illogical nonsense or polytheism)
Now if a person decides to fully understand the differences between the Christian denominations then it’s doesn’t only require a PHD but it also requires a life long learning as well ….. go figure
On the other hand learning Arabic for Muslims is just as valuable as learning Greek and Hebrew for christians, it’s not a prerequisite but it’s beneficial because a person can gain access to understanding the scriptures in it’s original language without having to go through a translation barrier.
But if Trinitarians are happy taking the word of human beings who voted on the divinity of Jesus despite having never met him and have come centuries after his death, then it explains why they would take the word of a translator without questioning it or being the least bit critical
You are right - Christianity is complex, but you wrong in saying we need a PhD in theology to understand it and it all depends upon the level of understanding we are talking about. Christianity is the most MISUNDERSTOOD faith in the world - this is undoubtedly true! Masses of people misunderstand it and misrepresent it - not least in the Muslim community. However, Christ himself is not complex or complicated and our faith is not in Christianity, but in the person of Christ we find in the gospels and who lives with us in spirit, today. This means even the mentally disabled are able to have faith in Christ that fills them with joy and peace. We have some fellowships, where most of the members are disabled mentally or physically and they worship together full of joy in their beloved Saviour, Jesus Christ. Christ is not an academic achievement, nor does it require qualifications to receive Him or understand Him....all it requires is Humility and repentance and a love for God.
@@peaceinjesus5221 Then you shouldn’t have a problem giving a proper and straightforward explanation of the trinity to everyone in this case ….. Go on then!!!!!
Calm conversation ...
What is the name of that type of cap this lovely brother is wearing? Not a taqiyah right?
Collin is such a nice guy, it's a shame he's ignorant.
He is not trying to find the truth, he is trying to convince himself that his belief is true
Collin isn't ignorant. He's actually arrogant. A deceptive guy.
You haven't watched Collin much. He's disingenuous.
@@truthdoesntcomeeasyyes4968 what? That's literally what I said lol. He's a nice guy but ignorant.
@@SQUIDTUBE
He's not ignorant. He's deceptive.
God beaten up by his own people. that's christian logic
Damn such beautiful and calm debate between muslim and Christians. Just beautiful
Lol. A novelty these days? ..
Thank you
The ethic of Islam conquest, beautiful story must read and pass to others, jazak allah Khair.
A lot of rumors spread about the founder of Samarkand. Some referred to the mother of its founder, Kikaus ibn Kaykubad, and others indicated that its founder was Alexander the Great. Concerning the Islamic conquest and the Mongol invasion and many of the various historical events that made it one of the prominent cities that many seek to know its true story, and through the following we explain the events of the Islamic conquest of Samarkand.
During the caliphate of the Commander of the Faithful Omar bin Abdul Aziz, may God have mercy on him, and in the year 87 AH, 705 AD, Samarkand was conquered by Qutayba bin Muslim al-Bahili, who was known for his great strength and various conquests, and Samarkand was conquered next to the territory of Transoxiana.
But Qutaiba had conquered the country without inviting the people of Samarkand to Islam or taking a tribute from them, and he did not give them three, as was the custom of the Islamic conquests.
As soon as the letter reached the Sultan and he read it, he ordered Qutaiba bin Muslim to be summoned to the Judicial Council in order to investigate the matter, and in the Judiciary Council, the boy called: (O Qutaiba!) without using any titles.
The judge asked the Samarkandian priest about his complaint, so the priest told him that the Muslim army led by Qutaiba had attacked the city without prior warning, and did not invite the people of the city to Islam or demand a tribute. And many countries around them refused to convert to Islam or pay the tribute.
The judge indicated that this hadith is Qutaiba’s admission of his guilt, and thus the court ended, and the judge said: “O Qutaiba, God has not helped this nation except by avoiding treachery and establishing justice.” For this reason, the judge ruled that the Muslim army will leave Samarkand, and it will expel the Muslims, children and women who entered it with the conquest, and that Muslims should warn its people before the conquest.
The priest did not believe the mother, and returned to tell the people of the city and the priests about the matter and narrate what he saw in the Muslim countries, and a short time after the issuance of the ruling, he heard the voices of Samarkand, voices rising and flags waving, and it was said that the ruling had been implemented and the Muslim army was withdrawing from the city.
After these events and the confirmation of the validity of Islam and that it is the religion of truth, the priests of Samarkand and the people of Medina came out in crowds towards the Muslim camp while chanting the shahada (testimony that there is no god but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger of God).
After that, some temples in Madinah were transformed into mosques for performing prayers, and teaching the people of Madinah the teachings of Islam
As for the Abbasid era, the city reached its most prosperous days, and this was during the era of the Caliph, who relied on God, and the Caliph had adopted Samarkand as the capital of the country beyond the river, and it continued as the capital of the country until the era of Prince Ahmed bin Ismail, who adopted Bukhari as the capital of the country.
From this point of view, the two cities were able to become of a vigorous period that bears many distinctive social and civilizational cultures, and the country continued to flourish until a time under the rule of Al-Khwarizmiya during the reign of Sultan Alaeddin Muhammad bin Takash, who invaded beyond the river and took control of Samarkand in the year 606 AH. 1209 AD.
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Origin is Arabic link:
قصة سمرقند الحقيقة
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Brother here is too nice
Collin takes out his papers to regurgitate his thoughts and ideas. He doesn't listen, but just wants to talk about his understanding.
She didn't understand it then she doesn't understand it now if she did she could've explained it.
It's not she never questioned it she wasn't allowed to question it.
The 🐍 Collin comes to deliberately disrupt the discussion.
Always the answers just preaching