Disintegration Gets Very Little Right (Review)
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- I gave Disintegration a second chance after its disappointing multiplayer beta. Sadly, single player wasn't the redemption I'd hoped it would be. This is not worth your time or money.
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stop
"It didnt have performance problems. I was very impressed" .. wow had to look really deep to find something good to say?
@Steyr Acrx so because he's discerning that makes him a bad reviewer? That's ridiculous.
Does this game remind anyone else of the old Playstation One game "Disruptor" ?
Pros: Didn't crash
Cons: Everything else
sounds like a tough sell, I'll take 2......
but seriously ugh....lolz
Wish Bethesda had that much going for them
@@brooklyn560 bahahaha bro 😅
Checkmate Anthem
This must be the hardest part of being a game reviewer. You could absolutely hear his heart breaking for the studio as he couldn't give the recommendation; but he tells it like it is so he's got my trust.
This looks like a game characters would play in a show/ movie when they don't wanna pay for the licenses for real games.
Or in another game
or its the game youre playing in your dream and its just a fuzzy neutral nothing like this one when you wake up and try to remember
That's the analogy of the year 😂😂
Every single time I seen this game I just thought id rather be the guys on the ground, cause they seem more fun
why not make the Grav Bike the game?? ditch the ground command crap and go full Descent/Forsaken?? gods that'd be a cool game especially with modern consoles, with dual analog and 360 degree movement it'd be fun and easy to control....
I liked Descent and Forsaken back in the day and it's too bad nobody's tried making anything like that again.....
ever since 2000 everything is boots on the ground, maybe some third person mecha combat once and awhile and i'm just going action shooter games here, we've finally started to see some aerial and space combat games come back so why not 360 degree combat games??
Or perhaps have the option to switch between them on the fly. Have the gravbike user serve as an "eye in the sky" for when you need to get a better look at your surroundings (and perhaps to pick off a hard-to-reach target), and the three ground-pounders can be specialised for specific roles.
@@thegrouchization Probably that, think it would make a great coop game to be honest, every picks a role before a mission
Agreed. And think how horrible it is that a flying character is the worst place you want to be.
@@darthXreven Descent was my childhood!
one of those games where I can look at a couple minutes of gameplay and know that this is not something I'm going to enjoy
trevsded I agree it’s a wonder to me how people can watch trailers and get info on the game and can’t put all the pieces together to understand that the games not going to be any good
This comment is bound to trigger some 🤣 lol
Watching the footage leading up to this game's release, I couldn't help but think that it was the most regular looking game I've seen in quite some time. Not even bad, just...there.
I always know if I'll like a game 10-15 minutes in and will most of the time drop it. Apparently that's taboo because i'm supposed to play the game for longer, as if I don't know what I like.
I watched someone playing and the entire time both them and myself were going "what is the point of this game??" the combat isn't fun, and the flying aspect is useless, but so are the troops, so ... ??? None of the aspects seem to work well enough on their own, but neither do they work well together, so it's just... weird.
This seems like an intersting concept. Too bad it didn't deliver.
Yeah I feel the same the concept of the game sounds amazing!
What do you mean by interesting
Tbh when I first saw this game I thought it was gonna be a linear-narrative focused game. Thought we were going to play as a robotic gun for hire, traveling the stars, kicking ass and taking names,.
it disintegrated too fast
Yeah this is a game that sounds really fascinating in concept, but would be incredibly difficult to pull off. If you had some party management on the level of something like XCOM (not turn based, but being able to control and customize each party member) while also being able to fly around and do things yourself? That sounds like it would be incredibly cool, but it also sounds incredibly difficult to get right
The irony is that your feedback will probably be a godsend for the dev team.
No one is more conscious of the game'sfaults more than its developers, but that doesn't mean they are able change it for the better. Devs were in position where they just had to push it out as is.
That's the problem with this game it needed that feedback before release so maybe early access would have been a better option than a full release unless they do a full 360 on this (which I doubt) they can turn it around but I honestly doubt this game will last 2 weeks.
@@ganjatrooper7193 nah, I think as Ralph said, the core aspects of the game were so flawed that it shouldn't have gone past the earliest development builds. It would probably be cheaper to just shut the game down and move onto other IPs instead of trying to fix it
Ganja Trooper you do know that if you do a 360 you are facing the same direction right? I think you mean 180. That turns you around.
Maybe a year earlier than he got hands on it. By the time he gave his first review too much had been built on bad systems for this to be salvaged.
I've reached the point where "from someone who worked on game you liked!" gets the same cynical reaction as "[BRAND] will try hard to do better in future"
[Brand] also supports [issue] that has nearly universal support. Please buy [product].
@@Dev518 I clapped because [BRAND] is the consumers greatest ally.
_Don't ask questions_
_Just consume product_
_And then gets excited for next product_
@@orihalchon This is America
@@smoothkid765 no it's not, it's Wastelandia.....the land of the consumer wasteland....
It kinda looks like that one weird part/level of a game where you have to drive a janky vehicle/sit in a turret...except it's a whole game.
@Nagger Honestly, I have never liked turret sections in FPS's so I'll probably never get this game.
Actually, looks are the one thing I liked watching this. Like, this is a design failure on an epic level but the rest seems mostly fine. I just watched someone stream the PC version of Halo and even without him saying it, I thought that this game had a lot of the same characteristics and I mean that in a good way.
Damn I was really rooting for this one. I've met Marcus in person and he's a genuinely awesome/passionate dude.
Wish Bungie had never said anything about a "30 second loop" so people could stop referencing it like it is some kind of special rule. Not all games fit into providing "30 second loops". I hate that term.
When did they said this? I want to watch it
The funny part is, Bungie is hardly the authority on video games. The Destiny games aren't exactly master class game design...
But it IS a very useful metric. For ACTION GAMES. And the only difference a genre make is how long the loop is. Every game is a repeating series of fun interactions, whether it's making meaningful strategic decision and seeing it's consequence, choosing dialogue options to influence a story or making a tight turn in a high speed race. The quote is not about repetition, but about making the most basic interactions between the player and the game fun. Not necessary exciting - fun.
@@andrzejsugier The problem with quotes is that they make people think that the world is simple to understand when in reality it is complex and requires time to truly master.
What you did there is the clever thing, to interpret the quote in a way that gives meaning to it. Too many people just see words that you can throw around to explain the world without having any kind of original thought.
I could even go so far as to disagree with you because I know action games that are first person shooters with the same kind of promise like a game series like Halo that take far more time to generate emotions and let people breath, something that according to this quote would be simply boring.
Why? Because I just interpreted the quote and think that my interpretation is absolute, just like you will probably argue that your own explanation is the better one.
As I just demonstrated, people should take quotes less serious because if anyone gives it just a little bit of effort, they can twist the few symbols that make up the legendary one liners in any way they want and if people think too little about quotes, they will find themselves trying to see the world through a narrow tunnel instead of looking at it from the mountain of their own capable reflection.
If you want you can mechanically break down any halfway decent game outside of a literal "30 seconds of fun" but that's not the point of the quote. Is it an overused explanation? Yea but that doesn't really mean it's unwarranted. Anything that's popular falls into a vague and easy to counter argue generalization due to a simplification of its intended message. Same thing applies to like 99.9% of all philosophy quotes.
You might say the budget for the game...disintegrated.
stahp!!
lolz
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!
*ouch*
Get out!
I was kind of excited for this one. The trailer was a bit deceiving unfortunately. And once I saw what the game was really about, I lost interest pretty quickly. Maybe I'll get it free a few years from now on PS+ haha . . .
Quite the opposite here, i liked the concept a lot, it's a shame it wasn't executed well. In a perfect world you would enjoy impactful fps combat + meaningful tactics, but here they kinda botched both parts of it.
This seems like it would have been much more fun if you were playing as one of those ground units
Or be able to switch between the units
Instead of a pseudo RTS, it should have been a squad shooter.
I have to say it would really really suck to work toward a product for 3 years or so and then as it’s all put together you get this dread about the quality and then see it release and be kinda shit. That’s gotta be difficult. Games take a long time now to produce so a developer may only get a handful of projects to work on in his career. I love Devs even if I butt heads with them regarding certain games and their production (last of us 2...).
That's true, an incredibly bitter but real aspect of games' development. Not only do they demand a truckload of resources and time investment, but the scope and creative vision demands artistic excellence as well. This multifaceted requisite is more draining than any conventional job I can think of for the most part. Its absolutely bonkers, really. No wonder so, so many individuals employed in the industry end up suffering a complete and utter mental breakdown for egregious spans of time.
Its unfortunate and heart wrenching to witness people belittle the extensive demands that need to be met by developers - when they respond with "oh, every job's demanding - game devs are no exception". I don't believe most 9-5 corporate jobs require the artistic brilliance and passion necessary to produce something not only worth a large audience's hours long entertainment needs - but something that can go above and beyond and actually be remembered as a significant enough product in an ever expanding industry.
Thats why so many devs dont take risks and play it safe
They did this to themselves. You need people who look into the field their going to and actually face the reality of it. They broke away from the big bad publisher and went to make their game company, making a donut steel original game no one has ever seen, but no one there had the balls to step up and say this shit was dated, what ideas they thought up were lack luster, and that they could learn from other games instead of thinking youre a god amonst other people in the genre
@@UltimegaSeven I mean you're not wrong lol
“The sum of the whole is less than zero.” Murdered by words.
Same boss 10 times...
So the Halo 5 strategy of boss fights? Not a smart move to take that idea.
Is it weird that I never really saw the Warden as a boss fight? I always thought of him as the Promethean equivalent of a Hunter encounter.
@@thegrouchization I thought about the Warden the same way, which I guess would make him more of a miniboss?
Sentinel of the Old War Same, but I think they should've added more variation to each fight with him so he becomes a progressively larger threat
@@finleymorris04 Well, technically they did that by first changing which enemies you fight him alongside, then making you fight more Wardens simultaneously.
If you think of it less as a fight specifically against the Warden, and more an enemy encounter that happens to feature him, you'll find that there's a surprising amount of variation between them. The first one is just him and a few Crawlers, for instance, while later fights add Knights and Focus Cannons to the mix.
So seems like to ‘fix’ this game it would require the ability to give detailed individual unit commands, better punchier weapons on the scooter thing (perhaps some method of support/buffing), changing the loot system completely, fixing the colour palette, a bigger boss variety and change the intermission hub world things.
Ahh Sacrifice, Tim Curry doing a voice in it, now that was gold.
I remember when this game was first shown off, I couldn't shake the feeling that it was going to fail.
I saw this game and thought what the hell is this
Yea something always felt off, and leaning on the whole Halo creator thing made me worry there was nothing special about the game either. It's a shame.
Skill Up is a master of the slight-but-savage cut down. "...and the sum of the whole is less than zero" is just a gem of a burn, and is as succinct as it is brutal.
I thought I was the only one who remembered the greatness of Sacrifice.
Sadly there are only a few of us. But damn it was good.
Was literally one of the most innovative games I’d ever played when it came out and, to be honest, not many have come close since to that level of innovation.
I wish they could create a sequels or spiritual successor
Need a sequel god damn it
It seems like a worse Mass Effect 2 while Shepard is stuck in an extremely lack luster mech.
Honestly, this game's concept is extremely interesting and I would like to see it done better at a future title.
I've seen a lot of game bounce back from a crappy release and I hope this game could do it too but the fact that there's so little change after the beta was quite disappointing
like he said, likely there was no money left to overhaul the game from the ground up after the beta.
@@thomasneal9291 such a shame, then they could have at least tweak the game to make it more enjoyable, not necessarily adding content just some rebalance, it will still fundamentally flawed but better is better than nothing
*daffy duck voice
"Well whaddya know....it denigrated..."
From playing Cyberpunk to playing this. A rollercoaster of quality.
This comment didn't age well.
@@MaggotDiggo1 It really didn't lol.
"Your creatures are dying..."
Man, I loved Sacrifice
Damn, that’s too bad. I think that the game can be tweaked though. More enemies with lower health, and maybe boost the weapon dps to make it not feel like a reload simulator. I also think that selecting specific units would be doable.
If they add more enemies they will probably have stability issues. Making party members more like mass effect party members is prob a good idea. Aka party members being totally useless so player need to be more powerful and take care of stuff. On selecting specific units then they may need to introduce new systems to handle that and probably rebalance alot of stuff. Aka not only minor tweaks.
Disintegration hit a highest player count of 553.. Multiplayer was shutdown just months after launch and in a few months after that V1 Interactive shut down.
I don't know why this game has stuck with me but it feels like there's some grand cautionary tale here I've yet to resolve.
Darth Vader: "NO Disintegration."
Thank you for the shoutout for Sacrifice.... such a master piece. Never had anything else like it again T_T
its baffling how hard most devs has with making weaponry feel cool.
I said this on the beta video, but this still looks like a game we'd have seen released as part of Xbox Live's Summer of Arcade for $15-20 back in the day, not something worth full price.
Honestly it looks like one of the shitty games from the free section of the Xbox Live Store that no one has ever played.
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5:14
The trailers for this game gave me goosebumps, it looked really good.
Skill up, I loved your content. I remember being super excited when ever you'd post a new review. It was comparable to a new episode of game of thrones. But I barely watch your videos for more then 2 minutes now. The content is amazing and you bring up so many valid points. Part of it, i's just that I have my answer right on the thumbnail and I come in not curious in the slightest. Im simplifying it, but it's hard to spend more time exploring what I mean in a UA-cam comment. You're an absolute star.
I'll just take this moment to send my respect to skill up as a game review focused on the player.
There is no agenda but what the player would think, and damn is this lacking these days.
Respect and keep them coming, to give us, the players the right knowledge.
Oh my god I thought I was the only one who still remembered the existence of Sacrifice. It is probably my favorite video game from my childhood and I still play it to this day!
"The grav cycle which is basically an agile hovercraft that floats over the battlefield and does very little." So the totally not Exo dude is piloting the totally not a sparrow?
Was expecting this to be DOA since the first gameplay demo(s).
"In a couple of months, the multiplayer servers will be empty"
Surprised to see that they're actually gone
7:58 anyone besides me think of Titanfall 2's campaign when seeing that area?
Fire Hedgehog I genuinely thought I was looking at Titanfall in some spots as well...the slide mechanic used in the Titans is identical in this flying machine.
This looks like an early era VR game without the VR requirement. A shallow experience meant more to test the waters than be remembered.
Maybe they'll knock it out of the park on part 2?
3:14
Man, remember way back when you did Division videos? You've come such a long way now.
Pure savagery in this review, yet it wasn't needlessly harsh, and there was genuine care, and concern for the developers behind it. You can tell SkillUp didn't want to dump on this game, but it's his job, and he's honest. This is why we watch, this is why he's the best reviewer out there.
I could have guessed the results of the game from the opening of your video. I was a game dev for 12 years. I finally got out because... .Every studio tells you "they won't cruch" "they try hard not to crunch" "they are different" Every studio lies, or .... well to be honest, they make Disintegration.
The fact is studios don't crunch because they want to. It's because they want to make a game that takes 4 years of development but only have 3.5 years. It's because they don't scope a game properly and don't cut anything. It's because they don't magically balance. Because they have deadlines.
I've heard "We won't crunch from over 10-20 studios and they all do. I worked at 5 different studios, some try very hard not to crunch, some are on yearly titles and crunch 3 months of year and then say "we'll do better" But the fact is... this is the result of not crunch, The money runs out, you have to ship the game, the hub world isn't done, you didn't balance the game .... yeah.
I think a studio could "not crunch" but they need to near infinite amounts of money, and time. This isn't the way, and the small start up is always going to be a problem for the "We won't crunch" because... until you have a massive revenue stream you have to crunch.
The problem with the video game industry is once you have the revenue stream, you over promise rather than making better promises. I don't blame the start ups for crunching, but studios like Rockstar are far worse.
Oh and Rockstar blatantly told me "We'll over work you" in the interview. They are proud of their 50 hour weeks.... and that's 50 hours outside of crunching.
I'm so sad - this looks awesome, like, LOOKS awesome. I'm staring at the gameplay and thinking "I want to be on a hoverbike commanding a squad of Mecha!"
Hearing each step is badly implemented is what hurts.
I swear every time I saw the thumbnail of the video about this game, I always thought this is Destiny related. This main dude looks kinda like Cayde-6 to me.
SACRIFICE!!!!! Still one of the best games ever! I load it up every 5 years or so and it's still great!
Sadly, it looks like a solid idea that is suffering from poor/inexperienced managers. Having 20 years of of experience means nothing if you’ve done the exact same thing the whole time. By that I mean if you’ve been a character artist for 20 years, does that make you a qualified game developer? Probably not. It’s sad.
This looks like X-Com and Halo but with very badly managed development. It’s a shame.
That nails it. Experience is often overrated for the wrong reasons.
"I hope this game isn't the end of the studio that made it."
Oh, so it's that bad, huh?
I love how even his voice stays when he says "I say all of this because Disintegration really blows...."
Also, I love that he brought up Sacrifice! Such an interesting game. I love the Persephone realm theme.
I think what would have made this concept work better, would have been just not giving your hover vehicle weapons. Instead go all in on the support role, then take a que from the optional side missions from Black Ops 2. Have the bird eye rts veiw but allow players to jump into direct command of a troup. This would fix that sense of missing the feel of satisfying combat. Sure some people will stick with being a controlled unit but balanced right around the AI not being ordered by you in the bird's eye view being far less effective could still push people to use the rts mechanics
5:00 *Ah yes.. The lesser known "It just doesn't work" quote*
"free of crunch" Why is everyone so opposed to crunch? It's like a boogeyman we all hate. Yet ironically, 99% of the student games here are procrastinating their studies for video games so they crunch during finals. Also, in my experience, the higher paying the job, the more "crunch" was required. It goes with the territory.
because its not optional usually, theyll fire people who object. They force you to work extra hours and you do not get compensated properly for it (extra pay/leave etc).
In any other industry, in first world countries anyway, that is criminal.
"Totally not Exo" lol
What always struck me about seeing gameplay from this game is just how slow it looked. You are on a futuristic hover bike and you can somehow only move at a snail’s pace? It’s a bizarre choice and I assume it was made because it would be hard to command troops while zipping around the map, but I feel like they should have focused more on one concept or the other. As it stands the game feels like it’s being pulled in two direction and as a result can’t really give enough in either camp.
Most people I know in game development like crunch. In particular, engineers and programmers. Who actually enjoy the intensity. It tends to be the whiny self-entitled artists that don't like hard work or crunch.
I knew this was gonna suck when it was announced. I usually dont write games off base on trailers but with this one it's just too apparent.
"Sir they killed our big defense robot!"
"Damn how many more do we have?"
"There's one at every area!"
"Should we build a new one since that design was killed so easily? Ahhh, fuck that just leave the one per area!"
Disintegration: A story about their funding.
It takes real talent to bugger up cyborg on hover bike.
Yea its not like game development is incredibly complicated or anything like that
Man. Is it bad that all I think about when I see this game is being a ground soldier?
No because that's what it looks like. If you said that this was a section in a Halo-esque game, I would have instantly believed you. That's ironically where the game actually works in it's current state. Except that it just looks like Halo but doesn't feel like it, from what I have heard.
The hover craft looks like you are holding a toy out in front of you pretending to fly
Here in Brazil most of us can't even give it a chance due to its high cost. The publisher just ignored the regional pricing.
Quit being so negative Ralphie, this is goty material and you know it! This game is winning 3 academy awards I'm calling it now.
I think a quick fix (maybe) for them would have been to drastically increase the number of enemies while giving the player's weapons more power and destructiveness. This would still make utilizing your team imperative as there are too many for you to take alone, but you still feel like a badass when you're raining fire and bullet hail onto the enemies as they fall under your assault.
You mentioned that the Sacrifice concept hasn't been done since - but it HAS been. It's called Brütal Legend - despite the marketing and early portions of it looking like an action adventure, at its core it's an RTS where you're out there with your troops.
For a second I thought you were piloting a big stumpy mech and got excited
I remember playing the beta(multiplayer), it was a lot of fun once I understood the map, there are a bunch of short-cuts that shorten map travel times, you can also flank with your units and send them to a different map location while you scout a different one. Once you find an enemy you either snipe them if you can or wait for your units to come back so that you can take them on easily, while you are waiting you can also destroy the enemies units, the one v one seemed fun too.
Maybe I'm just an odd ball....
Hey Skillup, ever heard about Darkwood? I don't know how popular it is but it's a horror game with no jump scares. Everyone who played it on steam gave it a very positive review and I believe the devs are still working on it to this day.
"I hope it doesn't mean the end of V1"
That aged well.
Just came here again when I heard the news.
:(
Aged like fine milk. Honestly, it’s really sad...
6:47 "There's A boss in this game." End of thought. lol
I think they just need a Brutal legend type mechanic that let's you get in the ground to join the fray and let's you fly above to do direct things. Having that much to manage will be chaotic and fun.
An FPS game where you command a squad, huh?
Reminds me of Brothers in Arms: Earned in Blood (PS2)
That giant hub area and the randomized load out tells me the devs might have wanted there to be a BR mode to the game, but the budget didn't last, or they changed to single-player only, but left the multiplayer changes in.
What a bummer, i was really hoping for a good game here.
i've been a huge halo fan for such a long time.. but this just looks real bad. appreciate the videos my dude!
They should have made it primarily an RTS with good micromanaging and fun combat. Your enemy is swarms of bad guys. Your troops killing bad guys gets you the salvage, which just drop off said enemies. Then after a certain amount of salvage you get an OP flying mech that you get to control and just wreck everything until you take too much dmg or run out of power. That’s way it’s primarily an RTS that can earn you a broken-in-your-favor FPS experience.
I finally managed to gather the unholy trinity of 3 reviewers who are all very competent yet have very different opinions on each game: Skill Up, dunkey, and gamestar. I may now ascend to well informed nirvana.
This game looks great coming out on 2004. Oh wait, we on year 2020?
Thanks for the honesty about gaming and the games we play. Keep up the good work 👍
Would have been better if they just threw hordes of enemies at you and made the bike way more powerful
That's a pity I was hoping this would be cool...
Ah well 🤷 cheers skillup, great review as usual.
I feel like this would have been good as a horde shooter where you can get your people on the ground to do stuff or cover lanes of fire, while you use your (hopefully more capable) weapons to support them. A game that does this better is Strain Tactics, where you have tactical combat with commanding a squad on the ground but you can also fire ordnance from your gunship (I.e. the top-down camera).
I'm convinced I found far more value in your review than I ever could've playing this game. You just out performed an entire development team in an alternate creative format. Props.
Someone else that played sacrifice! Truly an awesome game, late game spells popping in a sea of monsters. Not played anything like it since...
Quick fix would be the ability to switch between squad members at anytime, like X-Men Legends.
That’s a neat concept, letting you float over the battlefield and give commands and shoot. Problem is if they made you effective then you wouldn’t want to use the squad... I guess that’s why they weakened your character but lots of squad games let you feel effective as a single combatant but not be able to win without the help of your squad
Yup fuck that, if this studio is any good, and I'm talking in the slightest sense good, Private Division will make an offer and once the owners turn it down they will poach the workers. That is the PRIVATE Division way.
There is very little hope for them ever making anything else.
2:40 Thumbs up for the sacrifice reference.
You know a retro game you should find and review? Io’s Freedom Fighters. It was a PS2 game from the early 2000’s where you had to juggle objectives between 3 maps at once and the friendly AI and enemy AI was surprisingly good and effective for the time.
1:48 in and I’m already bored of the gameplay.
It reminds one of the Beachhead game where all you do is shoot your turret.
I think this flying commander concept could be worked a lot better in a different context. Maybe an attack helicopter pilot commanding several platoons in the Vietnam war? A proper helicopter with the capacity to deal damage but pressing into zones with just too many enemies to tank through. You'd need to direct soldiers and support them. You can't just say "forward" and forget them or fly off and flying-Rambo the entire war yourself.
It’s so weird cuz every time I see this game, it looks right up my alley and then I see the actual “gameplay loop” in action and that “OOOOOOOOHHHH” goes to “eww.”
A game that has "DOESNT CRASH" in its PRO column is never gunna break those sale figures thats for sure!!!
Honestly watching you play the prison segment seriously reminded me of the descent series. Jeezus let's see if literally anyone here remembers those games.
Feels like they made the single player campaign with the multiplayer balancing issues. You don't need much AI in multiplayer, you need a proper and fair time to kill in multiplayer, you put rather claustrophobic walls to prevent exploits, and then you focus on the internet optimization next to graphic before fixing gameplay loop.