Learning the Moeller Technique and Applying it to the Drum Set
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2024
- Here is a requested video on the Moeller hand technique.
I explain the basic origins of how I learned it and how I do my own thing with it. I also demonstrate how I use it as part of my general technique on Snare drum and Drum set for grooves and soloing.
The equipment I am using for this video consists of:
Pad-Quiet tone drum pad from the 1990's
Sticks
75 gram Wenge Barrel tip Rick Dior Drumsticks
69 gram Leopardwood reverse tip Rick Dior Drumsticks
58 gram Rick Dior model maple Vic Firth Drumsticks (on the set)
Drums
Doc Sweeney Stave Drums in African Olivewood
20"x 16" Bass Drum
Toms: 8"x 8", 10"x 8", 14"x 14 flloor tom"
14"x 6.5" Snare Drum
Cymbals are:
Paiste Traditional 22" Light Ride
Paiste Traditional 20" Flat Ride with rivets
Paiste Traditional 16" and 17" thin crashes
Sabian HH 13" Regular Hi-Hats
Sabian 12" AA Mini Hats
Heads on toms are Remo Pinstripes on toms
Bass drum is an Aquarian Power stroke 1 head.
Snare is a Aquarian coated head
Microphones are a AKG C24 stereo overhead and an Shure Beta 52 on the Bass drum
“I first learned this technique from Joe Morello...” 😮
I have to admit this is the umpth video I watched about the Moeller Technique and the first that really helped me understand. Thank you!
I just lit my cigarette with your paradiddles
It's 9 30pm ireland
That's amazing drumming I could watch you all day
Thanks Patrick
Beautiful hands
you are an amazing teacher and drummer, thank you so much.
There’s a great story on how Moeller rediscovered if from very old Civil War veterans when the US army needed to rebuild for WW1. They shuffled down the hall, Moeller gave then some sticks and they just sailed like hurricanes and Moellers eyes popped out. The drums they used were a mahogany cannon with a few in the Smithsonian. Very rare!
Hello from Italy. Just to say that it's fantastic to see a terrific playing by a great drummer. This kit sounds so good. Many people forget that Hip-Hop, Funk, etc. come from Jazz. In this video you show it well. We are a small group, nothing special but our drummer learned these techniques in the 80s in Paris & he is more than a fan of Joe. It's not strange at all that these drummers who know this technique very well have an almost perfect playing: clear, precise, fast and providing incredible dynamics. The push / pull + Moeller techniques should be taught in all drums academy School. Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge, beautiful to see. All the best! Z
What part of Italy?
Really great! Love it!
Very smooth and fluid. You make it look effortless. Thanks!
Thanks!
All of your videos are really good . Like going back to the real thing about learning.
Great Rick!!! Very helpful! Great player
GREAT JOB, THANK YOU
soooo good material. thanks!
I need to apply this. Thanks!
this guy is a beast! I have really enjoyed your videos!
Steve Smith is a great example of a transitional type drummer who has eased into a more subtle, relaxed style as he's aged.
You're an excellent professor!
Very good job sir
Brilliant, you're fun to watch!
Hello from Stamford CT. Enjoying your videos so much Rick. Teaching me a lot. Wanted to thank you.. :)
Excellent
Social media at it’s best! Awesome drumming as well as teaching. Thanks!
Very impressive and effective application of the technique. I learned a lot as this video helped me understand some fills I had never figured out. Thank you ! The Mueller technique is really worth the long practice it requires to master it.
thank very much! thanks for all!!!
thank you Rick!
Nice work my friend.. Good playing too...
Thank you Sir!
Wow... that was awesome. Rate it 5 star.
Thank you!
Excellent playing...informative teaching...wonderful presentation!
Thanks Michael
I really appreciate that.
@@rickdior I'm actually a little ticked off I've not seen or heard of you before now. Keep up the great work. Do you gig any? If so, where can I see those dates?
Those toms sound phenomenal.. One of my favorite videos of yours - it strengthens my understanding of relaxed playing and teaching.
Thanks Will
Hope you and Chi are doing well
great watching,you can play for sure
Awesome!
You are playing poetry on those drums my highest respects .after thirty years I'm trying unlearn my bad habits .this was very helpful Tim from Australia .
HEY BROTHA! YOU TOTALLY RIP! That's some amazing teaching and drumming. Now i can play All of my favorite Slipknot Runs
Great to see and hear that you are using the Moeller stroke with rebound. One of my teachers, Ed Soph, was a stickler about including the rebound. I also love the inclusion of the changes in stick height relative to speed. Excellent video!
Doesn't get any better than Ed. Great player teacher and friend.
Same here! I had the pleasure of studying with Mr. Soph when he lived in North Haven, CT!
Great video. Extremely helpful for a self taught drummer that's been playing a long time but finding myself stuck due to not taking the time to learn all the techniques like these. Thank you so much
Your welcome. Thanks for watching and hopefully I will not need the services of your company.....
Super!!
great kit looks like a sonar
More of a Tai Chi move than a Bruce Lee. I am returning to drums after a long absence. I really never learned technique and found that brute force is only getting just so far ( always pushing the stick ). Thank you for this video!
Yep! I thought the same - Tai Chi for sure.
Nice Rick. I liked the overhead side view tonsee your hands . First time in your vids you had this view i think 👌
Thanks Ron
Not a real good view of my scary facial expressions but folks have been asking for that side so I hope it's working.
rickdior we are so intrigued with what you playing not looking at face lol 👌
That's a relief
Thank you Rick - inspiring. Def true re aging. Well into my 8th decade -shoulders need a lot of stretching. Am not deterred from working on Moeller
Thanks David
Keep on trucking.
You inspire me
You, Sir, are a badass
Moeller, Stone, Morello, Dior…love it. Learned from a Chaplin compatriot and I like Morellos comment on it to turn down the madness of it. “Leave the aerobics for the girls at the gym.” I like the Morello hybrid of Moeller.
Rick still got my original sticks Ludwig model 1B dont think they have that model anymore.Im a little Italian guy as well.
Thanks Rick, I really enjoyed it! Great sounding kit and cymbals. Too bad the Quiet Tone Drum Pad is not made anymore.
It is still made by Sabian.
@@rickdior thanks, I'll check it out!
The best demo/explanation of the 'Moeller Technique' I've seen yet. I sort of had to change to matched grip some time back and despite lots of left hand lead practice I just don't seem to get a relaxed controlled feel happening. My doubles and Paradiddles which were once pretty good are now shyte. I made my living as a drummer but now more of a "I can't quit" hobby.
I'm 70 years old now. do you reckon it would be worth taking a Skype lesson (Or 100) with you.
all the best to you.....Graeme from Australia.
Hi Graeme
Thanks for watching
I am still teaching Skype lessons so if you are interested contact me at rickdior@gmail.com. I have several students around your age and older. The lessons seem to be helping them.
Thanks
Rick
Did you know Bob Hohner? He was a student of Morello, Able, and Hinger. Great videos by the way!
I did not know him. Probably before my time. I studied with Hinger in the 80's and Joe in the late 70's through the 80's
Thank you for your great videos! Fantastic playing! I learn a lot from your videos!
Are you planning to make a video about finger technique? Or did you already made one (Couldn´t find it)? I like how you can control your strokes with the fingers at a low stock heigth!
All the best from Berlin, Gemany!
Hi Derek
Yes that's on the list and I will get to it eventually. You may want to look at my Hand technique playlist as I work on that in many of those videos but I will do a video focusing on only that.
"kind of a Bruce Lee move" LOL! Love it Rick! I'm a huge Bruce fan.
Hi Chris
Hope you and the family are doing OK.
@@rickdior We're doing OK given the circumstances. Been checking out your channel since quarantine hit. Great stuff! Many thanks!
WOW ??? WOW how many people can say that they studied with Morello? I just stumbled onto you// -you look and sound great also. I doubt if I could have picked up one of his sticks had he dropped it. I'm 67 now and hadn't sat behind a kit since my 20's, BUT I grew tired of playing my dashboard so I recently bought a new kit and I'm having a ball. I'm still far far away from having the ability to take lessons from you--I'm back to paradiddles with the metronomes' but I put the headphones on and pretend of what might have been had I actually had talent.
Hi
So glad you are playing again.
Joe had many, many students. I would guess thousands over all the years.
That speaks to his great personality and kindness as well as his obvious genius on the instrument.
Fuc!#% Amazing
hello. please tell me what snare practise pad you use in your videos. i see you list “pad quiet tone”. a quick search revealed this to be a mesh product by sabian. is this correct? it’s just it sounds like a rubber compound to me??? i must say, it looks like a great practise tool, and i’d like to track one down. ps fantastic videos. inspirational, in-depth but lean - no unecessary waffle. breath of fresh air. huge fan. so much material ! thanks, you’re doing a GREAT job sir.
Hi Alan
Thanks for watching.
That is an older quiet tone pad. The new ones are made by Sabian. They are not mesh. It is a real drum head.
Never use a mesh head for practicing as the response can do some serious damage to your hands over time as well as sanding down the tips of your sticks.
very interesting. Thanks professor Rick Dior. I would like know the model your ride near tom 12",. Thanks very much
Hi Salvo
You will find all of that information in the description for the video if you click on the down arrow.
Kudos for another informative video. You can really sing Sing SING on those drums!!! Are Mini Hats cymbals different from Regular Hi-Hat cymbals (besides the size)?
Not really
The bottom is not as heavy as the usual pair.
Thanks Rick for the return yes me too with partial torn rotator. I was laughing. About you playing the paradiddle in a wipeout form. Looking forward to see the video. Going around the set with a pataflafla was the problem child with the shoulder. Meantime im using that side angle motion. Thanks Rick. I really enjoyed your Krupa interlude and adding your more modern interpretation. Thanks again.If you dont mind , how old are you?
I am 57 years young
@@rickdior still crushing it! Making us young kids sound sloppy
9/23 Rick, I am practicing your technique on the fast jazz ride cymbal. Is it normal to feel some strain in the hand and forearm? I am on my 3rd week of practicing. Thank you for taking the time to explain the steps. Ray Hennebeul Las Vegas
I would have to see you playing it.
Can you send me an unlisted youtube video of you playing?
@@rickdior Rick, thank you for the offer. I don't know how to do the video. I will have my son help me and send it. I appreciate this and I am obsessed with getting this and the sound of those 3 notes on the cymbal. Thank you
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Sticks model?
Hey Rick using moeller technque works well but had shoulder surgery a few years back but been playing since 1966 on and off but since early 2019 ive devoted 4 hours plus a day but occasional pain in shoulder but using a 70 gram stick and later go to 5a or even 7a speed is there but im 67 yrs old and having to be careful Im strickly a traditional player. The faster the easier . Any hints would help. Thanks Rick and just an additional i stretch prior to my work outs and very relaxed when I play. i play alot of Rich style.
Hi Jim
I have gotten some other questions on this and will address it in a question and answer video soon.
You will want to do the lower, sidearm version of the Moeller technique instead of the original high sticking version. In other words come in from the side instead of the top. I have 2 partially torn rotator cuffs and I can do that without too much trouble.
Video after video and can't seem to get this, I know it's me but I'd like to do it on a actually kit not my Alexis mesh kit so I know it's 100 me.
It's feels so awkward, like I'm practicing in a way I never plan to play anyways , the way my hands are when I try, but I want to be able to do those nice hi hats for like the funky drummer break or and dfa1979 songs
12:16 is that taken from a particular drum solo? Sounds familiar.
I Love it! "Kind of a Bruce Lee move..." In fact, at the very slowest speed, with the large motions, it is identical to Tai Chi movements! And I wonder whether or not that Moeller was aware of that. Tai Chi has been around for at least hundreds of years and there have long been serious practitioners in the NYC area, where Moeller eventually resided, after growing up in upstate NY. Two of his students were Gene Krupa and Jim Chapin (Harry Chapin's dad, BTW). I learned this technique from the great jazz drummer, Ed Soph, who stressed the importance of remaining completely relaxed at all tempos. Although Mr. Soph merely demonstrated Moeller tech to me a couple of times, I went on to explore it in depth, on my own. Lastly, the I believe that the photo on the cover of the book "Syncopation" shows the Moeller technique being done. Thanks very much for this great video!~
Ed is the best, one of my all- time favorites.
Hi what what type of practice pad is this?
Hey Rick, have you ever played in a pipe band? I feel like there is a lot of cross over in your hand technique
I have never done that on a regular basis but I have studied the technique and also performed some ceremonial music with several bagpipe groups.
Those guys are just great.
When you play high hat with crossed arms how can you execute this technique, don't flailing arms in the air not clash?
Hi Rick, have you heard about David Rich? He was also Joe Morello's student. He told me once, Muller didn't believe in Joe and even told him he won't become a drummer...but as we all know Joe didn't give a dam..
Yes, I heard that but not from Joe who was not the type of guy to talk about himself much. There is no way to verify it but I know that Joe did study with George Stone and later Billy Gladstone and we talked about that quite a bit.
Is at 920 your stuck rolling in your fingers?
Where do get those Sticks?
You can contact me at rickdior@gmail.com
1 of my old instructors (not Joe Morello unfortunately) tried in vain to teach me this technique. He said it was like pulling teeth.
I had no idea Joe Morello was blind!
are you from the Bronx..?
I am from Brooklyn.
Cool...Great Video...will check out more ..Thanks...@@rickdior
“Really can’t play like I used to anymore”.
Sounds plenty tight to me.
Sounds like there's wood under your snare head?
Hi Greg
That's a quiet tone practice pad
@@rickdior Thank you for letting me know. Great lessons!
How could Joe learn something by watching if he was blind?
He was not born blind. His condition worsened with age and by the time he was in his 40's he was legally blind.
Did not know Joe was blind