Zero: "A mental copy. His phantom, if you like." Ocelot: "I don't understand." Zero: "You will, when you turn into Liquid." Ocelot: "What?" Zero: "What?"
Ocelot - "... Also I'm not gay." Zero - "Indeed. I'm gay." Ocelot - "Yes, I thought you should know." Zero - "I see. Very clever of you to tell me. No one must tell Jack though, promise me?" Ocelot - "No, I don't promise, I'm not even gay." Zero - "Thank you my dear friend" Ocelot - "I'm Not Gay!" Zero - "Hmm... Yes that is very correct, I am truly gay. Thank you... My dear old friend."
Zeros character in MGSV is so masterfully nuanced and complex that the games biggest crime is not using him as the main antagonist. His VA makes Jim Cummings look a joke and every sentence he utters is fascinating
Miller and "V" as big boss is just Ocelot and The Big Boss imprinting their Phantoms on Solid and Liquid thru VR missions mind control tech! 😳👽😅 I'm telling ya, I feel like a damn well played fiddle! 😶😬
Zero's feeling his age as well as the poison/parasites...You can hear so much regret in his voice but also how he tries to put up a strong image to Ocelot. So sad how he tells Ocelot "they can't bury the hatchet, not this soon..." knowing there won't be a chance in the future and that there is no going back from his fuck-ups. I also didn't know he directly passed power to the Darpa Chief...So that guy must have also done a lot of shitty things. I could not bare having Dr. Clark as the villain of MGS6...
Darpa Chief is Sigint from MGS3. According to the lore, when Big Boss broke away from the Patriots/Zero after Zero betrayed him with having the clones created, Ocelot and EVA left alongside Big Boss and took his side, with Dr. Clark/Paramedic and Sigint siding with Zero. But yes, I have zero doubt MGS6 would feature Dr. Clark as one of the major antagonists, if even as a flashback to the horrific treatments she put Frank Jaeger through. It's clear she became a such a massive villain later on in her life as opposed to the sweet, supportive, plucky eyed monster movie loving figure she was in MGS3.
@@2Good2BeTrue45 What I find so beautiful is that the technology/research they sank their life into was their downfall. Zero by the parasite/skullface, Paramedic fell to the ninja and Darpa Chief to the nanomachines. Like Skullface cursed them all.
I really wish there was a motion comic for these cassette tapes (like the comic-style cutscene in portable ops and peace walker) the conversation in those tapes hooked me up way more than the entirely of metal gear survive
So this makes me wonder about the incident in Cyprus. Zero seems confident that no one knew about Cyprus. This makes me wonder if the XOF team we see attack the hospital after they wake up is just there to mop up everybody who might have possibly seen both Snakes while they were recovering, and Quiet was either a mole for Skullface within Zero's XOF, or was expected to fail, and was there just to test the Snake's capabilities. After all, Quiet is the only one who actively tries to kill Snake, the main XOF units have a few chances to kill Snake outright and don't, and only really shoot back after the Snakes arm themselves, and most of the fighting is against Man on Fire by that point.
MGSV is my first Metal Gear game, and my knowledge on the rest of the franchise is patchy. What I find interesting and also confusing is that it's really difficult to tell who the "good guys" and "bad guys" are, who we're supposed to be rooting for.
that's the thing with metal gear and politics in general, there are no good guys, only bad guys with some level of goodness in them. look at all the snakes, they all kill a lot of people at some point. all characters in this narrative have some greater good to pursue, few are outright bad, but they way they conduct themselves make us judge them differently
@@purplesamurai5205 Well, Solid Snake does not show up once in this game; it's "Big Boss", whose moral alignment at this point in the timeline is pretty ambiguous. So that wouldn't be the best quality to judge who's the "good guy" or "bad guy".
Man zero made a big mistake letting ocelot help out, considering how much trouble big boss and ocelot would cause for the patriots (since ocelot dedicated his life and death to serving the dreams of the boss, the sorrow, and john
He always considered big boss a friend. But he became power-hungry. The clone project is the ultimate nail in the coffin for his friendship with big boss
He always admired Big Boss. But he straight up violated him. He essentially raped Snake by taking his DNA without his consent. Paramedic, Zero and Sigint knew Big Boss despised cloning and would NEVER sign off on something like that and Zero took away his free will by literally taking away his DNA while he was comatose and injured for a short while and proceeded with the les enfants terribles project. You can still admire someone, even though you are on opposite sides and even hate that person. Human beings are complex creatures for a reason
@@MrHungryforbeats ohhh wow new information, i didn't know that, but when the patriot recovery body of BB,Isn't it zero who took BB body, so he's already awake in MG2 im right?
@@ahabsuffer5044 i think he was already an AI a this point like all the patriots because of strangelove ai research, and the fact Zero was never seen after that last conversation with ocelot in the truth tapes of TPP
So if it was Zeros plan. Is Snake working under Zero for zanzibar land or just going along with whats going on with Venom taking his place i have yet to find these things out
Zero: "A mental copy. His phantom, if you like."
Ocelot: "I don't understand."
Zero: "You will, when you turn into Liquid."
Ocelot: "What?"
Zero: "What?"
I think that Ocelot own plan but I can say that the Phantom Pain incident did influence it
Big boss did mention that ocelot became liquid's doppleganger in order to fool the system
@@abadlibadreddine1960 the "AI" isn't?
xD LOL 2 years later and this is so gold. both of them say what one at a time.
Ocelot - "... Also I'm not gay."
Zero - "Indeed. I'm gay."
Ocelot - "Yes, I thought you should know."
Zero - "I see. Very clever of you to tell me. No one must tell Jack though, promise me?"
Ocelot - "No, I don't promise, I'm not even gay."
Zero - "Thank you my dear friend"
Ocelot - "I'm Not Gay!"
Zero - "Hmm... Yes that is very correct, I am truly gay. Thank you... My dear old friend."
"But as long as his heart is beating, he will keep fighting." No one could have describe him better, Major.
"He's the toughest son of a bitch. i've ever known."
And the last thing he did was killing him
You can tell from his tone, even Ocelot hated how Zero brought about Les Enfants Terribles.
And that's the reason why big boss rebel against major zero.
@@stompbaddess1772 but his body double plan by major was brilliant
Who wouldnt be upset about some shit like that, gettin cloned without even approving of it.
Which contradicts Portable Ops implying the cloning was what convinced Ocelot to join Zero.
@@billwilson6248 portable ops isn’t canon though.
Big Boss - such a legend, even his biggest enemy went to the ends of the Earth to protect him
I mean as it was said in MGS4 Zero saw Big Boss as an ireplacable friend and icon.
Zero wasn’t his biggest enemy
Zeros character in MGSV is so masterfully nuanced and complex that the games biggest crime is not using him as the main antagonist. His VA makes Jim Cummings look a joke and every sentence he utters is fascinating
Major Tom?
@@annedrieck7316 6 months? Kept you waiting, huh? But yeah, Major Tom and Zero... They are one and the same. It is said and shown in MGS3
@@annedrieck7316 in MGS3 Zero using codename Tom. Mayor Tom.
Yes, we were deprived of our target of revenge, in a way.
But will men truly settle for an enemy they can't see? Men want to feel righteous, need to see the hatred in the enemy they fear.
Sad how Big Boss probably never known that Zero didn't hate him, even went through dangers just to keep Snake alive.
I think BB knew that Venom and him leaving was all Zero’s doing
How much you want to bet that Miller's assassin in the original MGS was Ocelot?
probably used liquid!
I always believed liquid did it but now I'm believing that he was influenced by ocelot
Sean Gillespie and correct me if I'm wrong, but Liquid is that Eli character in MGSV, right?
@@blindsportslover yes Eli becomes liquid!
Miller and "V" as big boss is just Ocelot and The Big Boss imprinting their Phantoms on Solid and Liquid thru VR missions mind control tech! 😳👽😅
I'm telling ya, I feel like a damn well played fiddle! 😶😬
Like Big Boss and Miller, Ocelot really despised Zero.
Zero's feeling his age as well as the poison/parasites...You can hear so much regret in his voice but also how he tries to put up a strong image to Ocelot. So sad how he tells Ocelot "they can't bury the hatchet, not this soon..." knowing there won't be a chance in the future and that there is no going back from his fuck-ups.
I also didn't know he directly passed power to the Darpa Chief...So that guy must have also done a lot of shitty things. I could not bare having Dr. Clark as the villain of MGS6...
Darpa Chief is Sigint from MGS3.
According to the lore, when Big Boss broke away from the Patriots/Zero after Zero betrayed him with having the clones created, Ocelot and EVA left alongside Big Boss and took his side, with Dr. Clark/Paramedic and Sigint siding with Zero.
But yes, I have zero doubt MGS6 would feature Dr. Clark as one of the major antagonists, if even as a flashback to the horrific treatments she put Frank Jaeger through. It's clear she became a such a massive villain later on in her life as opposed to the sweet, supportive, plucky eyed monster movie loving figure she was in MGS3.
@@2Good2BeTrue45 What I find so beautiful is that the technology/research they sank their life into was their downfall.
Zero by the parasite/skullface, Paramedic fell to the ninja and Darpa Chief to the nanomachines. Like Skullface cursed them all.
If we do get future Metal Gear games, I hope they delve more into her character and really show us what caused her to become such a monster...
Ah, i completely forgot about Dr Clark. I wonder how they'll play that.
Para medic crazy asshole bitch
She revived grayfox and turned him a cyborg
The only time we see Zero and Ocelot talk with each other
This British accent is lovely
This is so sad! :( I feel so bad for poor ocelot.
I forgot they pronounced EVA's codename all funky here. Zero never pronounced it like that in MGS3, and I doubt Ocelot would've too. Weird.
I feel like this was probably one take and Zero's VA pronounced it the wrong way so Ocelot's VA just went along with it
@@yungjoshx You mean Kojima. This is the most boring I've heard from Troy Baker I doubt he'd care.
@@cheefqueef6494 Baker did fine in the tapes with Huey but that's about it
I really wish there was a motion comic for these cassette tapes (like the comic-style cutscene in portable ops and peace walker) the conversation in those tapes hooked me up way more than the entirely of metal gear survive
The man who start it all
Zero: I'm not talking about the boys.
Ocelot: Of course you aren't, this is you after all. New crazy ideas are your specialty.
So this makes me wonder about the incident in Cyprus.
Zero seems confident that no one knew about Cyprus. This makes me wonder if the XOF team we see attack the hospital after they wake up is just there to mop up everybody who might have possibly seen both Snakes while they were recovering, and Quiet was either a mole for Skullface within Zero's XOF, or was expected to fail, and was there just to test the Snake's capabilities.
After all, Quiet is the only one who actively tries to kill Snake, the main XOF units have a few chances to kill Snake outright and don't, and only really shoot back after the Snakes arm themselves, and most of the fighting is against Man on Fire by that point.
@2:50 weird sound in the background.
It's probably a thunderstorm
I definitely heard a groan.
MGSV is my first Metal Gear game, and my knowledge on the rest of the franchise is patchy. What I find interesting and also confusing is that it's really difficult to tell who the "good guys" and "bad guys" are, who we're supposed to be rooting for.
If they aren't allies of Solid Snake they are bad.
that's the thing with metal gear and politics in general, there are no good guys, only bad guys with some level of goodness in them. look at all the snakes, they all kill a lot of people at some point. all characters in this narrative have some greater good to pursue, few are outright bad, but they way they conduct themselves make us judge them differently
@@nguyen-vuluu3150 But Solid is 100% good.
@@purplesamurai5205 Well, Solid Snake does not show up once in this game; it's "Big Boss", whose moral alignment at this point in the timeline is pretty ambiguous. So that wouldn't be the best quality to judge who's the "good guy" or "bad guy".
@@InfernoCleric384 Big Boss does end up opposing Solid, so he's bad.
Man zero made a big mistake letting ocelot help out, considering how much trouble big boss and ocelot would cause for the patriots (since ocelot dedicated his life and death to serving the dreams of the boss, the sorrow, and john
Well, in the end, all that mattered to Zero was saving Big Boss. I think he also realized too late that creating the Patriots was a bad idea.
@@watcherman222 Zero never regretted his actions. He simply believed no one could understand The Boss will like him.
He considered Snake a friend, but also an icon to the patriots so he order to clone Big Boss and that broke apart them.
He always considered big boss a friend. But he became power-hungry. The clone project is the ultimate nail in the coffin for his friendship with big boss
He always admired Big Boss. But he straight up violated him. He essentially raped Snake by taking his DNA without his consent. Paramedic, Zero and Sigint knew Big Boss despised cloning and would NEVER sign off on something like that and Zero took away his free will by literally taking away his DNA while he was comatose and injured for a short while and proceeded with the les enfants terribles project.
You can still admire someone, even though you are on opposite sides and even hate that person. Human beings are complex creatures for a reason
I suppose Zero's voice actor is the same person who played radio speaker in P.T. Just my point of view!!!
Cool it sounds way too similar
Is this taken from the files or in-game?
It's in game but he took it from the files so you don't hear anything else like the fucking heli
Christopher Weaver No he's listening to it in a part of Africa. Thus the creepy fitting white noise.
In game. At 2:50 you hear DD
Zero must have really liked him huh "the toughest son of a bitch I've ever known proves that
So venom was made by zero? And when solid kill venom, is zero know BB not die because solid kill fake BB, im right?
I don’t think Zero knew about the events of metal gear because he was already in a coma because of skullface!
@@MrHungryforbeats ohhh wow new information, i didn't know that, but when the patriot recovery body of BB,Isn't it zero who took BB body, so he's already awake in MG2 im right?
@@ahabsuffer5044 i think he was already an AI a this point like all the patriots because of strangelove ai research, and the fact Zero was never seen after that last conversation with ocelot in the truth tapes of TPP
@@MrHungryforbeats Oooh i see thanks for that
Wait what Eva was there? Why isn't she in mgsv
@@shadowviruz Or she was there like Zero...
Game would’ve been so much better if it had actually included Eva but no it’s just “oh yeah Eva yeah she’s leading it”
shadowviruz good prediction
PunishedCornette impossible
@@shadowviruz you mean the one that dies....?
So if it was Zeros plan. Is Snake working under Zero for zanzibar land or just going along with whats going on with Venom taking his place i have yet to find these things out
Can someone please post a clean recording of zero visiting snake? That would be great. Thanks.
Maaan mgs is a weird and so mixed game
Where or how do you get this tape?
i believe you have to complete the game to get the truth tapes
i may be wrong
@@OneKit yep, last 5 main tapes are unlocked after you finish the game
Is this the same VO from mgs3?
No
@A-B101 ah. I thought it was, doing a different tone
Why do I get the feeling that Eren Jeager from Attack on Tit