If you're questioning your drinking habits, you probably have a problem with alcohol. You can rationalize it all you want, but that's really just denial in the end.
The amount of cope here is pretty staggering. Dominus really glosses over all the health issues that might not kill you but will definitely affect your quality of life as you age.
As a recovering alcoholic, I’m a bit annoyed you didn’t delve into that side of it. What’s the risk of addiction quantified? And once addicted, what are the health risks associated with that level of alcohol consumption? Seems like you ignored the biggest elephant in the room associated with alcohol.
Like many other people, I embraced drinking wine a) because it feels great, and b) it was supposed to be healthy too provided in limited quantities. But it was a childhood dear friend (and ex-addicted) who alerted me that "there isn't a safe quantity of alcohol".
@@portalrene2485 Wine being healthy in limited quantities is a myth that may or may not be purposively spread by the wine industry. Red wine does have some really minor health benefits but the health damage of alcohol farrrrr outweighs those benefits, also in limited quantities. It's like saying eating a quarterpounder is health because there's 1 piece of lettuce on it
Wow. I'm speechless on so many levels. I think the takeaways from these two on this topic are that they are laypersons just like us who 1. Didn't fully investigate the topic and 2. have much work to do on themselves to function in society without the need for alcohol as a crutch.
Oh boy, I was ready to light into you for this comment until I listened to the full episode. Holy cow! "I was surprised how hard it was to cut back from one drink a night" Here's a thought, maybe you have alcohol dependency!
Anyone shopping for the answer "not that bad" to the question "how bad is drinking" probably has a drinking problem. Non-alcoholics don't look for reassurance that they aren't drinking too much. Relate to it this way: when was the last time you googled "how much egg nog is too much?" That's how non alcoholics relate to alcohol. It's something they just naturally consume very little of, so it would never occur to them to be concerned about drinking too much of it
To a first approximation, no one has ever googled "how much eggnog is too much?" Out of eight billion of us on this planet, it's not literally zero. But get real, it's no one. About half a drink worth is enough to get the cocoa powder to mix with the other ingredients without using too much sugar. (I do, rarely enough that each bottle lasts a couple years.) One drink is plenty if you drink alcohol with a meal. (I don't.) Two if you have people you want to get a little buzzed with. (I don't.) Three if you have people you want to get a little buzzed with and your lean mass is over 160lb. (It is, but again, I don't.) Four or more means you're a young id10t getting drunk other young id10ts. (I was, but only a couple times, decades ago.) Old people are shopping for information on what actually kills people like us. The answer is heart attack and stroke, until we get substantially older, and then it's cancer. Small amounts of alcohol change your blood lipid profile. I think it was an increase in HDL. Whatever it was, it theoretically slightly, very slightly, decrease our risk of heart attack and stroke. On the other hand, alcohol also slightly increases our risk of cancer. Liver damage comes at much higher levels of alcohol intake, like a whole one drink per day average. (Which means some days with two drinks, which is something that old people obsessively trying to have a chance of living long enough to have a chance at seeing grandkids would absolutely never do. And we're the ones who pore over these third-decimal-place differences in risk.)
Another thing is that many people who think they have a drink per day, really have one drink on a normal day. On weekends of parties it can easily be 3-5 drinks but it’s easy not to include that in the calculation. Plus, does that one drink per day really never turn into 2-3, even on a normal evening? What about after a bad day at work or a stressful family event?
I got into the habit of having one glass of win with my meal five days a week. I did this for several years. Stopped it last month. I quickly lost ten pounds of fat and I sleep much better. No desire for wine or any alcohol.
I'm so glad alcohol consumption is on the decline! I used to feel so awkward asking if there were non-alcoholic drink options - or feeling like I had to bring my own - at social gatherings. College drinking "culture" was so isolating.
The reporting on risk is really poor. Average loss of life of 2 years from 3 drinks a day does not take into account your cancer risk, your heart attack risk, driving under the influence, How drinking impacts the quality of your life with your children and your family, how it might impact your career and your earning potential. Plus, if you’re a 4’11” 50 year old woman, this would be a CATASTROPHIC amount of alcohol because your liver can’t handle it like a 6’ 3” 200 pound, 30 year old man. At the end of the day, our brain is a lawyer not a scientist. It is set up to defend our habits and our choices and without constant feedback from a community who loves us we will drive our lives into a ditch with every drug.
Really the perspective of two jejune journalists who don't understand the health consequences later in life. Speaking of "good for the heart", one very common ailment is afib, linked to various comorbidities but a factor is alcohol. It's how you decide to spend the latter quarter of your life -- relatively healthy, mobile and independent or sick to the point of being bed ridden and on all sorts of drugs.
"Alcohol is good for you". Didn't they also say smoking raised your white blood cell count and it suppresses your appetite- so it was good for you too?
where i am from (Belgium) people say that if you dont drink at a party you are not funny/boring but i think that is the total opposite. if you need a drink or you need everybody to be drunk to laugh at your jokes maybe YOU are not funny.
DON'T LET THESE BIMBOS WASTE YOUR TIME! 00:02 Reexamining the LoveHate relationship with alcohol 02:31 Research on red wine and heart health in the 90s. 04:38 Initial research touted alcohol's health benefits 06:58 Research reveals moderate alcohol consumption has no protective effects on health and may increase risk of mortality. 09:24 Alcohol consumption warnings impacting public consciousness 11:54 Understanding risk in relation to alcohol consumption. 14:14 Moderate alcohol consumption impacts life expectancy 16:26 Alcohol poses risks not only to self but also to others 18:24 Alcohol playing a role in international diplomacy 20:21 Social conditioning around drinking 22:27 Making decisions about alcohol consumption is a personal and individual choice. 25:05 Credits for the production of the episode Crafted by Merlin AI.
Light drinking used to be good for you. Back then, light drinking was defined to include only _light_ drinking, not moderate drinking, and not infrequent binge drinking. Nobody EVER thought moderate drinking was good for you. It was always light drinking. The idea you claim to be debunking was never there to begin with. (Except in the ravings of incompetent popular-media attention-seekers, and the PR of alcohol sellers.) Now, all drinking is bad. Just bad. The "relatively low-risk" category now is always defined by average intake per day, so that it includes infrequent binge drinking, and it's usually defined to include drinking that would have been classified as "moderate" and found to be bad for you, back when light drinking was good for you. Now, you have to exclude sick quitters, even though you can't exclude sick people who keep drinking. Now, any way of adjusting for differences between populations is accepted if it means the results don't show a significant benefit from light drinking. A estimated relative risk of .9 with confidence interval of .80 to 1.01 is good enough, because it's not significant: the interval goes above 1.00. That can be published. Because otherwise, you would have to exclude more studies than you can pretend to justify excluding.
Wow a drink a night? I have a drink *maybe* once or twice a month. A drink a day is going to have huge negative detriments to your average quality of life. At that point you aren’t drinking for the “social” benefits of it, you’re just addicted. The bald faced denialism of playing the numbers game of “well I’ll only die about two months earlier” is a cope that is twisting the very real negatives alcohol brings into your life, not just risk of death. Those “amount of life lost” numbers are also not an accurate way to interpret the greater stats here, and shouldn’t be applied to individual lifespans.
“Couldn’t find a nonalcoholic drink at the part”, lol (funny, not funny), try water. Check into the effects of alcohol on your heart rate. Having drink closer to bedtime is even worse to ruin a restful night sleep. Aside from the short term enjoyment, there are no gains. It’s all a preference, it’s a free world. Abstain.
I would like to see the stats on a purely physical level. Adding in the risk of auto accidents is useful, but isn't accurate based on the nature of the habit. If you drink one time a day at home versus a bar. But the alcohol level is the same, how does that play out? Remove that factor. What's the result?
Ok, so there are many many strategies to manage stress and anxiety in life. I would absolutely say that I have been an anxious person for most of my life and I have been told from mental health care professionals to taking medication would be a good temporary scaffolding while learning to mange my anxiety. There was never a moment in my life where I thought alcohol or cigarettes would be any kind of temporary strategy for anxiety, for either a long term reduction or for a short term intense event. Im nearly 60, and chance that alcohol will add any benefit to your life, in either a short term or long term time frame, is remote at best. The chance of really really complicating your life dramatically is far more likely.
@@GerardPerry true, but could be worth to some. I was reading about it on NIH and quickly got overwhelmed. I think if I apply this level of scrutiny to every aspect of my life I would get nothing done
In the Bahai Faith, before signing the membership card, I weighed the plus and minus of all the issues. Alcohol was never very important, one way. Or another. In addition is the daytime fasting for 19 days every March. I signed up. Actually the greatest challenge was/ is the fasting time. I believe sincerely that fasting is scientifically beneficial, but psychologically I experienced a lot of stress every March about 1- 3 hours before sunset. So I can imagine the stress of trying to stop drinking alcohol for some people, they. Are like me can’t get completely in control of their bodies. And how we’ve become poisoned by our bodies fat cells. These cells dissolve their poisons into our bodies travels to our brains and messes without our brain mind.
It's so wonderful that we improved science so much that allows us to have the kind of near blind trust in it we have now. Imagine if we got studies about other substances or drugs wrong by taking the same approach we took years ago referenced in this podcast. Imagine how many would be hurt or injured. Bravo to us for improving!
From what I remember, most blue zones entail small to moderate amounts of drinking. BUT that is coorelative, not necessarily causal. How they drink there (community/family dinners paired with extremely healthy food), what they're drinking, and how other factors in their lives mitigate one not-as-healthy behavior (alcohol) likely is the reasons these areas have really good health. Also france doesn't have a blue zone, italy's bluezone is isolated to a small community in it. Same with Japan. There's more than one factor that goes into maintaining health. How much you drink is one, but there are others that also play an important part.
Meh. Most of the greatest men who’ve ever lived smoked, drank, or did both. Everybody dies once and only once. Find what works best for you to live your best life whatever that is and get on with it so long as you don’t hurt anybody.
I've never had it. I come from a community where it's normal not to drink. It's weird to think what would my life be with it. I have close friends that I see and we talk and doing life things together. I talk to my neighbors, I have get togethers and make homemade iced teas/drinks from my garden in the summers and a faux drink in the winter for holidays. I hang with family in between. In short, I don't feel like I'm missing anything substantial.
You can look at cultures that essentially ban alcohol. It doesn't change too much. Just the social drink of choice is different. It's usually some kind of tea or coffee. In old Meso America spicy, bitter hot chocolate was the main social drink.
In my 70’s. Good health(ish), not overweight. I drink 2-4 5% drinks a day randomly. I laugh when I hear this report talking about longevity. To have longevity you have to have money. I can afford to live to my late 70s or early 80s, if I die sooner, I leave more to my children. I enjoy the odd drink and I am headed to death’s door anyways, so there.
If I die early I leave more money to my children - what an upbeat view on life, unsarcastically! I wish I would have the same good mindset as you do when I'm old
My grandmother is 98 years old. She was a child of the depression and was never rich per se. My grandmother did well as he owned his own printing business, but he wasn't rich by any means. Her mother lived to be 94. Her sisters were in their early 90s when they passed away. The same thing with the women on my dad's side. They all lived into their 80s and 90s. The men however seem to pass on in their 70s. It's all about your genetics IMO.
I enjoy having wine every once in awhile, but I feel like there's so much fear mongering from the medical industry. I get that doctors want to advise their patients to be as healthy as possible, but I don't see the issue with having some drinks once a week. I usually never double drink. If I have alcohol one night, I'll avoid alcohol for at least 3 days. Drinking over and over day after day can do a number on your body.
We are missing something. Ok, drinking isn’t as beneficial as thought. Now we are saying that it negatively affects your health. Which countries have the longest life expectancy. I’ll bet that it is France, Japan, maybe Italy. Those countries have vibrant social cultures around drinking. So what’s the deal ?
Women has the longest life span, not alcohol drinking salary man. In fact, women life span in Japan is much longer than men’s. Almost 15 years! If men in Japan don’t drink, they would have lived much longer.
Like what others say. Even in the US, there are communities that tend to live longer because of lifestyle and social difference from the overarching culture. For example they have a blue zone in the US made of 7th day adventists. There's also been studies that would probably tie to alcohol, such as comparing practicing latter-day saints (mormons, who do not drink if fully practicing) and non-members within the same state and demographics. Those also show a large lifespan gap. This isn't just from drinking, there's other factors that decrease early death/quality of life and thus increase overall lifespan. But still. These don't exactly negate that alcohol isn't a potential negative factor to health, let alone being healthy for a person.
I am disappointed about the conflagration of the benefits of red wine and the risk of alcohol generically. It makes sense that consuming solvents is probably harmful, but is the harm greater than the benefits of red wine/resveratrol. I think that there is danger in interpreting studies in which all types of alcoholic beverages are treated equally. Have the studies that showed the benefits of red wine been disproved? I did not hear that.
With alcohol, as with COVID, as new information comes in we continue to learn more about it. The fact that we don't know everything yet is exactly the reason we should keep learning and updating our understanding as we go.
@@BleakVision Scientific knowledge and understanding continue to grow and evolve. For thousands of years people thought the earth was flat. For centuries people thought smoking was harmless. It took more than fifty years of intense research to develop the first safe and effective antibiotics. Not all problems can be solved overnight. Scientific research is an ongoing process and the answers are not always immediately clear. The only mistake is saying "if science hasn't found the answer yet, what good is it".
If you're questioning your drinking habits, you probably have a problem with alcohol. You can rationalize it all you want, but that's really just denial in the end.
what an irresponsibly reported piece of garbage
This. My first thought was shameful, but your comment better captures it.
15:07 I'd say that even one per night makes it not so "casual" once you're doing it *every* night.
I was diagnosed with cirrhosis at 36, so pretty fucking bad, I'd say.
The amount of cope here is pretty staggering. Dominus really glosses over all the health issues that might not kill you but will definitely affect your quality of life as you age.
As a recovering alcoholic, I’m a bit annoyed you didn’t delve into that side of it. What’s the risk of addiction quantified? And once addicted, what are the health risks associated with that level of alcohol consumption? Seems like you ignored the biggest elephant in the room associated with alcohol.
(It’s because most of the people this reporter knows are functional alcoholics and they aren’t aware that there’s a problem)
Like many other people, I embraced drinking wine a) because it feels great, and b) it was supposed to be healthy too provided in limited quantities. But it was a childhood dear friend (and ex-addicted) who alerted me that "there isn't a safe quantity of alcohol".
@@portalrene2485 Wine being healthy in limited quantities is a myth that may or may not be purposively spread by the wine industry. Red wine does have some really minor health benefits but the health damage of alcohol farrrrr outweighs those benefits, also in limited quantities. It's like saying eating a quarterpounder is health because there's 1 piece of lettuce on it
Thank you for saying this. It's disgusting that they would promote it like this.
Two or three drinks daily is a lot. Daily? Yikes!
It's way too much. Every single drink is bad.
Wow. I'm speechless on so many levels. I think the takeaways from these two on this topic are that they are laypersons just like us who 1. Didn't fully investigate the topic and 2. have much work to do on themselves to function in society without the need for alcohol as a crutch.
Laypersons? But she said she looked at it “journalistically”.
Oh boy, I was ready to light into you for this comment until I listened to the full episode. Holy cow! "I was surprised how hard it was to cut back from one drink a night" Here's a thought, maybe you have alcohol dependency!
Anyone shopping for the answer "not that bad" to the question "how bad is drinking" probably has a drinking problem. Non-alcoholics don't look for reassurance that they aren't drinking too much. Relate to it this way: when was the last time you googled "how much egg nog is too much?" That's how non alcoholics relate to alcohol. It's something they just naturally consume very little of, so it would never occur to them to be concerned about drinking too much of it
To a first approximation, no one has ever googled "how much eggnog is too much?" Out of eight billion of us on this planet, it's not literally zero. But get real, it's no one.
About half a drink worth is enough to get the cocoa powder to mix with the other ingredients without using too much sugar. (I do, rarely enough that each bottle lasts a couple years.) One drink is plenty if you drink alcohol with a meal. (I don't.) Two if you have people you want to get a little buzzed with. (I don't.) Three if you have people you want to get a little buzzed with and your lean mass is over 160lb. (It is, but again, I don't.) Four or more means you're a young id10t getting drunk other young id10ts. (I was, but only a couple times, decades ago.)
Old people are shopping for information on what actually kills people like us. The answer is heart attack and stroke, until we get substantially older, and then it's cancer. Small amounts of alcohol change your blood lipid profile. I think it was an increase in HDL. Whatever it was, it theoretically slightly, very slightly, decrease our risk of heart attack and stroke. On the other hand, alcohol also slightly increases our risk of cancer. Liver damage comes at much higher levels of alcohol intake, like a whole one drink per day average. (Which means some days with two drinks, which is something that old people obsessively trying to have a chance of living long enough to have a chance at seeing grandkids would absolutely never do. And we're the ones who pore over these third-decimal-place differences in risk.)
Fucking wine moms: it's like only shaving two month of my life--not so bad.
These women aren’t moms
Having a drink per day is still a lot lol
Another thing is that many people who think they have a drink per day, really have one drink on a normal day. On weekends of parties it can easily be 3-5 drinks but it’s easy not to include that in the calculation. Plus, does that one drink per day really never turn into 2-3, even on a normal evening? What about after a bad day at work or a stressful family event?
I prefer cannabis to chase the blues away.
What do you know about other people? Nothing
@@dlb8685 I don't drink. Cannabis is my poison of choice.
A bottle of wine, 075l, once a month is enough for me.
I don't drink for myself, i drink for all y'all
Same but with crack
The cons outweigh the pro for sure...
I got into the habit of having one glass of win with my meal five days a week. I did this for several years.
Stopped it last month. I quickly lost ten pounds of fat and I sleep much better.
No desire for wine or any alcohol.
I don't drink alcohol, but I'd love to have a couple glasses of "win" a week 😜
Drinking is bad. No discussion on this point.
I'm so glad alcohol consumption is on the decline! I used to feel so awkward asking if there were non-alcoholic drink options - or feeling like I had to bring my own - at social gatherings. College drinking "culture" was so isolating.
100% agree. I hope by the end of my life it'll be like smoking- on the way out and socially shunned.
The reporting on risk is really poor. Average loss of life of 2 years from 3 drinks a day does not take into account your cancer risk, your heart attack risk, driving under the influence, How drinking impacts the quality of your life with your children and your family, how it might impact your career and your earning potential.
Plus, if you’re a 4’11” 50 year old woman, this would be a CATASTROPHIC amount of alcohol because your liver can’t handle it like a 6’ 3” 200 pound, 30 year old man.
At the end of the day, our brain is a lawyer not a scientist. It is set up to defend our habits and our choices and without constant feedback from a community who loves us we will drive our lives into a ditch with every drug.
9:08 no amount of drinking is drinking for you. In fact, a dear friend told me that a long time ago but I ignored him until I found this video.
Really the perspective of two jejune journalists who don't understand the health consequences later in life. Speaking of "good for the heart", one very common ailment is afib, linked to various comorbidities but a factor is alcohol. It's how you decide to spend the latter quarter of your life -- relatively healthy, mobile and independent or sick to the point of being bed ridden and on all sorts of drugs.
"Jejune" Wow, what a great word!
"Alcohol is good for you". Didn't they also say smoking raised your white blood cell count and it suppresses your appetite- so it was good for you too?
where i am from (Belgium) people say that if you dont drink at a party you are not funny/boring but i think that is the total opposite. if you need a drink or you need everybody to be drunk to laugh at your jokes maybe YOU are not funny.
100% agree. The most dull people on earth require drugs and intoxicants to be fun.
Benefits of a walk are understated. Hard to enjoy wine while strolling through nature😂😅
DON'T LET THESE BIMBOS WASTE YOUR TIME!
00:02 Reexamining the LoveHate relationship with alcohol
02:31 Research on red wine and heart health in the 90s.
04:38 Initial research touted alcohol's health benefits
06:58 Research reveals moderate alcohol consumption has no protective effects on health and may increase risk of mortality.
09:24 Alcohol consumption warnings impacting public consciousness
11:54 Understanding risk in relation to alcohol consumption.
14:14 Moderate alcohol consumption impacts life expectancy
16:26 Alcohol poses risks not only to self but also to others
18:24 Alcohol playing a role in international diplomacy
20:21 Social conditioning around drinking
22:27 Making decisions about alcohol consumption is a personal and individual choice.
25:05 Credits for the production of the episode
Crafted by Merlin AI.
Light drinking used to be good for you. Back then, light drinking was defined to include only _light_ drinking, not moderate drinking, and not infrequent binge drinking. Nobody EVER thought moderate drinking was good for you. It was always light drinking. The idea you claim to be debunking was never there to begin with. (Except in the ravings of incompetent popular-media attention-seekers, and the PR of alcohol sellers.)
Now, all drinking is bad. Just bad. The "relatively low-risk" category now is always defined by average intake per day, so that it includes infrequent binge drinking, and it's usually defined to include drinking that would have been classified as "moderate" and found to be bad for you, back when light drinking was good for you. Now, you have to exclude sick quitters, even though you can't exclude sick people who keep drinking. Now, any way of adjusting for differences between populations is accepted if it means the results don't show a significant benefit from light drinking. A estimated relative risk of .9 with confidence interval of .80 to 1.01 is good enough, because it's not significant: the interval goes above 1.00. That can be published. Because otherwise, you would have to exclude more studies than you can pretend to justify excluding.
Wow a drink a night? I have a drink *maybe* once or twice a month. A drink a day is going to have huge negative detriments to your average quality of life. At that point you aren’t drinking for the “social” benefits of it, you’re just addicted. The bald faced denialism of playing the numbers game of “well I’ll only die about two months earlier” is a cope that is twisting the very real negatives alcohol brings into your life, not just risk of death. Those “amount of life lost” numbers are also not an accurate way to interpret the greater stats here, and shouldn’t be applied to individual lifespans.
“Couldn’t find a nonalcoholic drink at the part”, lol (funny, not funny), try water. Check into the effects of alcohol on your heart rate. Having drink closer to bedtime is even worse to ruin a restful night sleep. Aside from the short term enjoyment, there are no gains. It’s all a preference, it’s a free world. Abstain.
I would like to see the stats on a purely physical level. Adding in the risk of auto accidents is useful, but isn't accurate based on the nature of the habit.
If you drink one time a day at home versus a bar. But the alcohol level is the same, how does that play out?
Remove that factor. What's the result?
Ok, so there are many many strategies to manage stress and anxiety in life. I would absolutely say that I have been an anxious person for most of my life and I have been told from mental health care professionals to taking medication would be a good temporary scaffolding while learning to mange my anxiety.
There was never a moment in my life where I thought alcohol or cigarettes would be any kind of temporary strategy for anxiety, for either a long term reduction or for a short term intense event. Im nearly 60, and chance that alcohol will add any benefit to your life, in either a short term or long term time frame, is remote at best.
The chance of really really complicating your life dramatically is far more likely.
unpopular opinon :i dont think that drinking help you connect with people, quite the contrary.
It's called "2 cents plain"
Excellent and very helpful report. It would be interesting to compare alcohol risk to other risks such as lack of exercise or eating unhealthy food.
Try THC absolutely no health risk by comparison to alcohol
"...no health risk."
False.
@@GerardPerry true, but could be worth to some. I was reading about it on NIH and quickly got overwhelmed. I think if I apply this level of scrutiny to every aspect of my life I would get nothing done
@1:43 She was somebody who didn't drink a ton
Drank every night
women are consistently inconsistent.
Anything to obstruct this
I’m drunk right now.
One of only 2 funny comments here
Nonsense
In the Bahai Faith, before signing the membership card, I weighed the plus and minus of all the issues. Alcohol was never very important, one way. Or another. In addition is the daytime fasting for 19 days every March. I signed up. Actually the greatest challenge was/ is the fasting time. I believe sincerely that fasting is scientifically beneficial, but psychologically I experienced a lot of stress every March about 1- 3 hours before sunset. So I can imagine the stress of trying to stop drinking alcohol for some people, they. Are like me can’t get completely in control of their bodies. And how we’ve become poisoned by our bodies fat cells. These cells dissolve their poisons into our bodies travels to our brains and messes without our brain mind.
I'm guessing with the fallout last year, Anheiser-Busch couldn't make their yearly payment to the Gray Lady to keep their skeletons in the closet.
Nonsense. I have one beer a day and I’m questioning that so according to you I have a problem?
It's so wonderful that we improved science so much that allows us to have the kind of near blind trust in it we have now. Imagine if we got studies about other substances or drugs wrong by taking the same approach we took years ago referenced in this podcast. Imagine how many would be hurt or injured. Bravo to us for improving!
Hey, there is an established culture of drinking with a customer or department after work in Japan.
If you don’t have any gin for your gin&tonic, you can use tequila. 🍸
it takes great with tonic
This is the first NYT podcast in a week not about Joe Biden's mental decline since the debate
Wineauntery can go on for decades, no problem.
What is life expectancy in France and Italy? How about Japan? Don't they drink in Blue Zones?
From what I remember, most blue zones entail small to moderate amounts of drinking. BUT that is coorelative, not necessarily causal. How they drink there (community/family dinners paired with extremely healthy food), what they're drinking, and how other factors in their lives mitigate one not-as-healthy behavior (alcohol) likely is the reasons these areas have really good health. Also france doesn't have a blue zone, italy's bluezone is isolated to a small community in it. Same with Japan. There's more than one factor that goes into maintaining health. How much you drink is one, but there are others that also play an important part.
I make wine and I only have about three or four glasses a week! And most of those are in the weekends lol
What about only one daily table spoon? Good, bad, neutral?
Meh. Most of the greatest men who’ve ever lived smoked, drank, or did both. Everybody dies once and only once. Find what works best for you to live your best life whatever that is and get on with it so long as you don’t hurt anybody.
Changes your quality of life. Especially towards the end. I've seen some sad early deaths.....
What would life be like without it?
Not much different. I have to admit that I was more social before...
I've never had it. I come from a community where it's normal not to drink. It's weird to think what would my life be with it. I have close friends that I see and we talk and doing life things together. I talk to my neighbors, I have get togethers and make homemade iced teas/drinks from my garden in the summers and a faux drink in the winter for holidays. I hang with family in between. In short, I don't feel like I'm missing anything substantial.
You can look at cultures that essentially ban alcohol. It doesn't change too much. Just the social drink of choice is different. It's usually some kind of tea or coffee. In old Meso America spicy, bitter hot chocolate was the main social drink.
In my 70’s. Good health(ish), not overweight. I drink 2-4 5% drinks a day randomly. I laugh when I hear this report talking about longevity. To have longevity you have to have money. I can afford to live to my late 70s or early 80s, if I die sooner, I leave more to my children. I enjoy the odd drink and I am headed to death’s door anyways, so there.
If I die early I leave more money to my children - what an upbeat view on life, unsarcastically! I wish I would have the same good mindset as you do when I'm old
My grandmother is 98 years old. She was a child of the depression and was never rich per se. My grandmother did well as he owned his own printing business, but he wasn't rich by any means.
Her mother lived to be 94. Her sisters were in their early 90s when they passed away. The same thing with the women on my dad's side. They all lived into their 80s and 90s.
The men however seem to pass on in their 70s.
It's all about your genetics IMO.
Wow this is more painful than rationalizing about voting for Biden 😂
I will never stop drinking. I do it in solidarity with my brothers who are wrongly imprisoned for drinking and driving.
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." ― Dorothy Parker
Always loved that line
Relative risk versus absolute risk is often not explained and misunderstood by many, including health officials.
I enjoy having wine every once in awhile, but I feel like there's so much fear mongering from the medical industry. I get that doctors want to advise their patients to be as healthy as possible, but I don't see the issue with having some drinks once a week.
I usually never double drink. If I have alcohol one night, I'll avoid alcohol for at least 3 days. Drinking over and over day after day can do a number on your body.
This is modern science. Complete BS.
We are missing something. Ok, drinking isn’t as beneficial as thought. Now we are saying that it negatively affects your health. Which countries have the longest life expectancy. I’ll bet that it is France, Japan, maybe Italy. Those countries have vibrant social cultures around drinking. So what’s the deal ?
Pretty sure the wine bibbing salarymen in Tokyo aren't the ones living to be a 102.
Women has the longest life span, not alcohol drinking salary man.
In fact, women life span in Japan is much longer than men’s. Almost 15 years!
If men in Japan don’t drink, they would have lived much longer.
Like what others say. Even in the US, there are communities that tend to live longer because of lifestyle and social difference from the overarching culture. For example they have a blue zone in the US made of 7th day adventists. There's also been studies that would probably tie to alcohol, such as comparing practicing latter-day saints (mormons, who do not drink if fully practicing) and non-members within the same state and demographics. Those also show a large lifespan gap. This isn't just from drinking, there's other factors that decrease early death/quality of life and thus increase overall lifespan. But still. These don't exactly negate that alcohol isn't a potential negative factor to health, let alone being healthy for a person.
France also have a shorter workday. That makes you happier and live longer.
Those populations aren’t healthy from the drinking, it the benefit from smoking
Probably at least as bad as eating eggs. If you remember that health advisory.
I am disappointed about the conflagration of the benefits of red wine and the risk of alcohol generically. It makes sense that consuming solvents is probably harmful, but is the harm greater than the benefits of red wine/resveratrol. I think that there is danger in interpreting studies in which all types of alcoholic beverages are treated equally. Have the studies that showed the benefits of red wine been disproved? I did not hear that.
Ah, yes. Let's see what the "settled science" crowd has to say on a pressing public health issue. It worked so well for us during COVID.
This but unironically
With alcohol, as with COVID, as new information comes in we continue to learn more about it. The fact that we don't know everything yet is exactly the reason we should keep learning and updating our understanding as we go.
@@SoFloCo-ne4rkI think this is the correct perspective.
If science can't tell us after millennia of experience and decades of research, if it's healthy or bad for you, what good is it.
@@BleakVision Scientific knowledge and understanding continue to grow and evolve. For thousands of years people thought the earth was flat. For centuries people thought smoking was harmless. It took more than fifty years of intense research to develop the first safe and effective antibiotics. Not all problems can be solved overnight. Scientific research is an ongoing process and the answers are not always immediately clear. The only mistake is saying "if science hasn't found the answer yet, what good is it".
No $h!+ Sherlock