Sorry I missed this live, great job guys. Concerning Eric’s review of EvGo, my experience in Southern California with EvGo has been completely opposite. I’ll expand later on a live C to C show, perhaps.
I talked with a service tech at our local Rivian Adventure Network site when it opened in early 2023. He said their sites would be opening to all EVs in 2024. Hasn’t happened yet. It is a shame because it is usually empty. I’ve never seen more than two of the six stalls in use at the same time. Their new location in Del Norte CO is open to nonRivian EVs.
Because they need to provide information about the station before you initiate a charge (cost, power level, etc.), and the information on the display is regulated so that there's no tomfoolery (e.g., the charging provider misrepresenting the amount of energy actually being dispensed). Having the automaker control all the information opens consumers to risks, regardless of whether the automaker is also responsible for the charger.
@@newworldodor2641 ABB is doing something interesting with a QR Code based webpage with charger information, but that would still be considered gatekeeping the information in the case of consumers who pay with credit card. I think the hold up for a lot of people who say that the screen should be in the car is that they assume that chargers are installed where ever without any canopies, covering, or protection from the elements. The screen in the car is a perfectly valid backup, but it can't be the only source of information about the charger, the energy dispensed, cost, etc.
The CircleK info tracks with something I saw in Minnesota recently. One of the CircleK NEVI awards seems to have been rescinded and replaced with a Kwik Charge/Kwik Trip award. Some of the “Holiday” brand gas stations Circle K took over are quite dumpy. Wouldn’t be surprised if they have bigger priorities than EV charging right now. Lots of upper Midwest locations need major store upgrades, IMO. Maybe there’s some larger financial issues going on?
Possibly, although the parent brand was also looking to buy 7-11 earlier this year which would indicate they're in more of an expansion moment than pausing/contracting. It's possible that they will be adding more convenience brands to their stable and want to build out a more comprehensive strategy for deploying EV charging once their property options are clearer.
Really enjoyed that. I’m hoping that iONNA will start publishing a BIG “coming soon” list. If they are going to open 2 sites a day for 5 years, they should be able to tell us at least the next 50? The onsey at a time (6 currently) is way too conservative. They need to be more open please.
I think the goal will prove too ambitious, but even half of that rate would be a solid start to life as a new charging vendor. They also have at least four more permitted in Texas and a couple of hints for sites in California, so starting 2025 with a base of 10-20 builds gives a spring card for growth. The option to buy land and build their own facility is also something that not many other competitors will do at scale. It will certainly be interesting to watch unfold. Thanks for joining!
@@plugandplayEV I'd believe their goals were achievable if they would share a bigger list of COMING SOON sites. Maybe they will after this first batch. But come the first of the year we should start seeing a flood of COMING SOON sites for this to be real. Thanks again. Really enjoyed listening to you guy's insights.
In some rural areas, like SW Colorado (south of I-70, west of I-25), there are currently only three Superchargers (V3) sites available to nonTesla EVs. Most SC sites here are increasingly dated V2 hardware. Fortunately there many nonTesla DC fast charging options in the region. BTW Our badgers in the western USA are not to be messed with.
I'm the same re. trash but too many people aren't. There are some egregious examples of unsupervised charging sites that quickly become filthy, unfortunately, so trash receptacles with frequent clear outs can make a big difference.
I would love to hear you guys opinion on why so many new Tesla V4 sites are installed with Magic Dock but then have it disabled. My guesses are: 1) The issues with the recall of the Tesla CCS Adapter. 2) It would dilute the motivation of the automakers who have “sighed up” and engaged with Tesla, 3) They don’t want to deal with the headaches of more brands at this time. Also regarding the Rivian Adventure Network, I find it so annoying and unexplainable why we cannot filter RAN from PlugShare as we can with other networks. Rivian owns PlugShare, why wouldn’t their network be one with a filter option? I had posted a PlugShare support comment twice for this for the last several years. I find it annoying PlugShare shows me stations that I cannot use. Love your videos guys, happy holidays to you all.
Your theories are similar to mine. I think it's definitely related to limiting site traffic, especially for EVs from those automakers who haven't finalized a deal with Tesla and those EV drivers who haven't purchased an adapter.
Gm got no cash has to sell off many assets to survive...Ford and Stellantis in same boat... How can they build plants with low sales and low cash... Putting next to bankruptcy Nissan with Honda is a real loser..
Sorry I missed this live, great job guys. Concerning Eric’s review of EvGo, my experience in Southern California with EvGo has been completely opposite. I’ll expand later on a live C to C show, perhaps.
I talked with a service tech at our local Rivian Adventure Network site when it opened in early 2023. He said their sites would be opening to all EVs in 2024. Hasn’t happened yet. It is a shame because it is usually empty. I’ve never seen more than two of the six stalls in use at the same time. Their new location in Del Norte CO is open to nonRivian EVs.
Rapidly moving now with 10 RAN stations open in 8 states. Sites like the Gardiner, MT and Flagler, CO locations will be especially useful.
Why even put screens on charger?
The screen should be in the car where it is protected...
Because they need to provide information about the station before you initiate a charge (cost, power level, etc.), and the information on the display is regulated so that there's no tomfoolery (e.g., the charging provider misrepresenting the amount of energy actually being dispensed). Having the automaker control all the information opens consumers to risks, regardless of whether the automaker is also responsible for the charger.
You mean a simple smartphone type webpage for the car display?
@@newworldodor2641 ABB is doing something interesting with a QR Code based webpage with charger information, but that would still be considered gatekeeping the information in the case of consumers who pay with credit card.
I think the hold up for a lot of people who say that the screen should be in the car is that they assume that chargers are installed where ever without any canopies, covering, or protection from the elements. The screen in the car is a perfectly valid backup, but it can't be the only source of information about the charger, the energy dispensed, cost, etc.
The CircleK info tracks with something I saw in Minnesota recently. One of the CircleK NEVI awards seems to have been rescinded and replaced with a Kwik Charge/Kwik Trip award.
Some of the “Holiday” brand gas stations Circle K took over are quite dumpy. Wouldn’t be surprised if they have bigger priorities than EV charging right now. Lots of upper Midwest locations need major store upgrades, IMO. Maybe there’s some larger financial issues going on?
Possibly, although the parent brand was also looking to buy 7-11 earlier this year which would indicate they're in more of an expansion moment than pausing/contracting. It's possible that they will be adding more convenience brands to their stable and want to build out a more comprehensive strategy for deploying EV charging once their property options are clearer.
Really enjoyed that. I’m hoping that iONNA will start publishing a BIG “coming soon” list. If they are going to open 2 sites a day for 5 years, they should be able to tell us at least the next 50? The onsey at a time (6 currently) is way too conservative. They need to be more open please.
I think the goal will prove too ambitious, but even half of that rate would be a solid start to life as a new charging vendor. They also have at least four more permitted in Texas and a couple of hints for sites in California, so starting 2025 with a base of 10-20 builds gives a spring card for growth. The option to buy land and build their own facility is also something that not many other competitors will do at scale. It will certainly be interesting to watch unfold. Thanks for joining!
@@plugandplayEV I'd believe their goals were achievable if they would share a bigger list of COMING SOON sites. Maybe they will after this first batch. But come the first of the year we should start seeing a flood of COMING SOON sites for this to be real. Thanks again. Really enjoyed listening to you guy's insights.
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In some rural areas, like SW Colorado (south of I-70, west of I-25), there are currently only three Superchargers (V3) sites available to nonTesla EVs. Most SC sites here are increasingly dated V2 hardware. Fortunately there many nonTesla DC fast charging options in the region. BTW Our badgers in the western USA are not to be messed with.
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I can pack out my own trash and carry my own windshield supplies. However, I do prefer convenience store charging sites.
I'm the same re. trash but too many people aren't. There are some egregious examples of unsupervised charging sites that quickly become filthy, unfortunately, so trash receptacles with frequent clear outs can make a big difference.
I would love to hear you guys opinion on why so many new Tesla V4 sites are installed with Magic Dock but then have it disabled. My guesses are: 1) The issues with the recall of the Tesla CCS Adapter. 2) It would dilute the motivation of the automakers who have “sighed up” and engaged with Tesla, 3) They don’t want to deal with the headaches of more brands at this time.
Also regarding the Rivian Adventure Network, I find it so annoying and unexplainable why we cannot filter RAN from PlugShare as we can with other networks. Rivian owns PlugShare, why wouldn’t their network be one with a filter option? I had posted a PlugShare support comment twice for this for the last several years. I find it annoying PlugShare shows me stations that I cannot use.
Love your videos guys, happy holidays to you all.
Thanks for the ongoing support and valuable questions/comments, Ron. Appreciate the well wishes (and happy holidays to you and yours!)
Your theories are similar to mine. I think it's definitely related to limiting site traffic, especially for EVs from those automakers who haven't finalized a deal with Tesla and those EV drivers who haven't purchased an adapter.
Gm got no cash has to sell off many assets to survive...Ford and Stellantis in same boat...
How can they build plants with low sales and low cash...
Putting next to bankruptcy Nissan with Honda is a real loser..