One Punch Man: What Went Wrong? - Wisecrack Edition
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The first season of One Punch Man was one of the most celebrated animes of 2015. The follow-up season was hotly anticipated, and yet, when it finally dropped, people were underwhelmed. Join us in this Wisecrack Edition as we closely study the way shonen anime is structured in order to determine what went wrong with One Punch Man Season 2.
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Actually both seasons of mob psycho 100 were done by studio bones. Not madhouse.
Thumbs upping this to let them know.
And OPM s2 was done by J.C. Staff.
Also season 2 of OPM is done by JC Staff and a new director
lol as soon as I heard them say that I immediately thought that too, mostly beecuase I had to be corrected about MOb's studio halfway through season 2 as well.
Then where the hell did madhouse go
I don't like to nitpick but didn't Saitama enter the tournament for the reward? Also didn't he want to learn if martial arts made fighting enjoyable? I'm 100% sure he didn't enter because he wanted to "learn how to defeat Garou".
He wanted to learn what martial arts is. He was getting curious because everyone was making a big fuss about Garou's martial arts skills.
That part was even mentioned in the anime directly
Yeah, the only part of it about Garou was that he was the reason Saitama found out (talking to a hospitalized Charanko) about and got curious about the tournament.
Yeah, he's bored of not finding a decent fight.
Makes no sense that he would need to train to beat Garou. This youtube episode made just as many good points as it did bad ones.
Wisecrack lost a lot of credibility with this poorly executed video plain and simple. His sponsors look real bad aswell from such poorly executed 'breakdowns"
Season 2 isn't about Saitama, Saitama is a "C-Plot" in terms of this video. Garou, is the "A-Plot", and to the tee, is following the formulas of the shounen format. The roles are reversed, where we're not trying to get Saitama to Garou, it's the other way around. Garou was strong at the beginning, but still needed to overcome the challenges of certain ranked heroes to eventually make us feel the impact of the real fight when he actually goes against Saitama. Garou is A-Plot, trying to meet Saitama C-Plot, while The Monster Association is B-Plot.
yea, that's pretty clear cut... the problem is with the delivery. garo isn't portrayed in a way that draws the viewers in - or maybe they _intended_ to do so, but simply failed.
I was feeling the same way, instead of following the heroes, Saitama and the hero society, they showed the opposite, the monsters, there society and why or how monsters are made.
Plot wise, season 2 is only bad if you cling on to saitama as the MC. Season 2 shifted the protagonist role to garou.
Exactly what I came here to say. Thx. Garou is the real protagonist this time. That's just it.
i feel like Saitama being "one punch man" makes it pretty obvious that he will defeat the enemy in one punch so hyping up his battle is pointless. Saitama has become a side character to his own series because the outcome of his fights are inevitable. I believe ehat the aeries is doin now is showing the chracter development of the "side characters" because that is what becomes more interesting. Thu regolve around Saitama however because of his influence on each of them i.e. Genos trying to get stroger and stronger following Saitama's footsteps. The character devlopment of Saitama is no longer about hia rise to number one hero through brute strength since we all know he has that already, hia development has become more emotional where as everyone around him is going through a phyiscal journey/development. Holding on to the idea of looking frward to Saitama fight is just us knowin that he is the main character and wanting him to win but maybe the studio wants to break away from that idea more and more since it's such a cliche. Instead Saitama's story is more influential and emotional about how ou can affect people around you even if the fights are very physical. it gives the story another layer on top of just fight scene after fight scene because we already know the outcome. it's just that we are so used to the main character being the one to clean things up which is why we want saitama to fight already but what kind of story would that make, i believe the reason saitama ia as removed from the action as possible is to actually remove him and use him as little as possible to build stories around the other characters instead of hypin saitama up. there is no more hyping up a single lunch battle, but there is hyping up and development of the characters affected by saitama
The real problem with OP Season 2 is that it is incomplete. You need to see the bigger picture to understand what is going on;
Saitama is NOT the main character during the Garou arc, Garou is. What ONE does in this arc is flipping the roles of the shonen characters. Garou follows the classic shonen hero's journey; constantly meeting new threats that would usually be enemies/monsters but this time around are heroes; being constantly forced to overcome his limits, becoming stronger and stronger with each encounter. He's the Goku, the Naruto and the Yusuke Urameshi of this arc. Saitama IS the goal, and you might think he's irrelevant to the plot, but that would probably be because you are watching it with "shonen googles". Saitama's role is not to build tension or to become stronger, but to connect with the viewer. He's tired, broke, unemployed, depressed, anti-social and spends most time reading manga or playing videogames, he's your average nowadays teenager/young-adult, and he's trying to find new motivations in life.
It is established since episode 1 that Saitama is unbeatable, and we will rarely see a monster as powerful as Boros was in the show, that's why this arc follows Garou and his struggle to become the strongest monster in the world. He's the anti-Saitama.
Underrated comment !
100%
I believe that is the remarkable premise of S2: if "the hero" has godlike abilities, flawed but struggling beings like ourselves are only left with the monsters to identify with.
That and the fact that the garos ark is really long to the point it might take three season to complet. Garo arochie Golden sperm and the mini bosses. Plus the mini and sub bosses are not weak by the way especially towersds the end where one of the mini bosses actually becomes the top dog and reeks house because gues what most of them are dragon level or higher
True, OPM season 2 is not about Saitama anymore but the world and the different people that surround him. We already know he's OP, so repeating the formula of s1 will surely bore the viewers like us. I think s2 upped it more by subverting everyone's expectation.
P.s. Not gonna lie, Garou being attacked by Class A heroes, after being beaten up so badly by Watchdogman, is a very effective shonen trope to me.
Did you really say, "Saitama enters a martial arts competition TO LEARN HOW TO BEAT GARU"?! Saitama enters the competition ONLY because he is bored and he wouldn't mind winning the prize money. To actually think that he feels like he needs to "figure out a way to beat someone" leaves me speechless.
They even got the animation studio wrong for Mob Psycho 100. They didn't do any research before creating this video!
Agreed. I don’t know how anyone who watched it come to that conclusion. 🤷♂️
LoL , he Saitama even says at the end that martial arts is just people moving fast to look cool.
ye this guy doesnt know what he's talking about. and literally the first time garou and saitama meet garou gets one shot
He also wanted to experience martial arts.
I think you guys missed the entire point of season 2.
Saitama isn't even the main character or "Protagonist" here. It's actually Garo. And more focus is given to side characters like King etc compared to season 1. Saitama and Genos are the actual "side characters" here.
I'll admit it isn't as obvious as it is in the manga but still.
Yeaa... it's like when wisecrack "reviewed" evangelion yikes lol
They said numerous times that Saitama does not feel like the protagonist, which is exactly what you said. I think you have an issue with them finding that to be a negative. Sure, it doesn't have to be a bad thing, but many people continue to watch One Punch Man in order to see the adventures of One Punch Man. When One Punch Man is no longer about One Punch Man, well I think any criticism regarding that is completely valid.
Saitama is the MAIN CHARACTER of the franchise. OPM Season 2 isnt a spin off so yeah no point missed here.
Which, sidelining a main character to focus on growth of a challenger is something that worked for other series. I think the problem here is that Garo was played (relatively) straight while Saitama as the focus in season 1 established a comedic plot expectation.I don't read the manga/webcomic, so I don't know how well this is playing out for readers (I do read ahead in the Wiki, though, so I know where it's going). I think it suffers from the same problem a lot of anime with a strong start do, in that the second season needs to set up a larger narrative to make for a 5+ season series but can't do that within the mold of the first season.
Granted, a lot of us (myself included) actually liked season 2 of OPM. We got to delve into the secondary characters, set up a lot of their motivation and powers, and get a good chuckle at how they get deconstructed, usually while fighting Garo. The thing that might have made it stronger overall, both for those who liked it and those who didn't, would have been if Garo had a strong comedic element as well. The sob story of being sympathetic to the monsters may have been intended as that, but it really just came across as if it was played straight rather than for laughs.
@@Imbalanxd Ok
Mob Psycho 100 was animated by Bones, not Madhouse. Also Madhouse didn’t animate One Punch Man season 2.
this guy doesn't know the basics and hasn't through the materials and his talking shit.
13 seconds in and I already had to pause. That's a big miss. They should really be more careful than this.
Just pause the video 20 sec. in to check if anyone else mentioned it. Bad move from wisecrack
I was shocked when I realised the last episode was in fact the last episode... Was that just me?
Not just you, it was a massive cliffhanger
Wasn't supposed to be a cliff hanger, they stopped mid arc ...
12 episode seasons
Its fairly caught up with the Manga, makes sense.
@@NickMarcha That arc isn't even really finished in manga. There's still awakening to look forward to. I do think they launched this season too soon, or added too much of the current arc to it. Idk
Your bravery to criticize OPM season 2 is inspiring. After all...
You don't even have a tank top
I should have seen that coming.
Imagine if wisecrack staff wore tank tops, their agility an ease of movement would bring their philosophy skills to a whole new level.
They totally bugged out
That was pretty funny. Lol. Checkmate
Tank Top Philosophers lmao 😂
Anime Only: "Boring and Disappointing."
Manga Readers: "We're only half way there it gets better!"
WebComic Readers: *Laughs Maniacally*
I say it's around 1/4 or 1/3 at most. Half is around when the monsters try to make Garou kill the kid.
@@LordZero666 Speaking of Garou I heard the manga artist Yusuke Murata plans to make THAT fight even more epic than Boros vs Saitama, and he said he's thinking of topping the moon kick!!!
@@themercifulguard3971 MARS
@@LordZero666 Yeah but I saw one guy call the Orochi fight the climax.
Kinda reminds me of that Filthy Frank song
what are you even talking about
A-plot is clearly Garou
Yep. Garou is the main character on S2. Animation aside, I loved S2 as the same as the first.
A villain we all can route for.
Okay but Garou isn't a very interesting character so that kind of kills it
@@AnkfordPlays to you maybe
I think he is also deferred from watching the whole season due to the iffiness. I did the same and skipped some episodes. But the real question is did he read the manga instead? Garou is a beast himself.
I mean if you look at the season as if Garou is the main character and the A plot it flows better
thats what I'm feeling too
That’s what I thought
Thank you that's exactly right
I'm up thumbing all the people that noticed this an post a comment, wisecracking fucked up this analysis
This was a Garou season and he's the A plot and I think most of the Heros vs Monster Association Arc will be the same.
If you didn't like the side-lining of Saitama this season, you're gonna like season 3 even less :P
Personally I loved it.
Yep, Saitama will just appear at the beginning, cameo a couple times in the middle, and not actually fight til the end (assuming Season 3 ends with the Orochi fight, the rest of the arc is too long to wait til the end).
saitama not being there is the best thing ever and when he does show up it's orgasmic
preach. xD
The thing that pissed me off the most was the animation inconsistency of garou's fight
the biggest problem of 2nd season IS that even though the pacing was super rushed, they didnt finish one arc unlike season 1 (which had a bunch of mini arcs, so at the end, felt somewhat conclusive)
while this seasons just suddenly ends without closing ANY plot ploints it started and just leaves you asking '"thats it?"
honestly, if the redrawn manga didnt even finish this arc yet...they shouldnt even have bothered with making a second season...but its clear that the higher ups who own the right to the franchise were desperate to milk it for more money after season 1 got soo insanley huge and popular...so they couldnt wait, and were even willing to change studio to one thats too busy at the time to create something good during the time they gave them....but apparently that didnt stop them from doing it. hence why we got this lose-lose situation, where BOTH art/animation and story are lackluster...
While I agree with your lack of closure argument. Waiting 5+ years for a second season is a hard sell
Facts
I feel like the higher ups in charge of the title are opting for a more "binge-esque-release-of-the-series" on the series instead of an 'episodic formula'
Lol so true i actually didnt watch anime that much and if i watch i never completed the seasons (cuz its so longgg im tooo tired for that😪) but one punch man really got my attention and i finished all the episode and left alone with "that's it?" "It's that the ending of the season 2?"and so many questions. But im still hoping for season 3😭 im gonna cry if they didnt make another season:
while this seasons just suddenly ends without closing ANY plot ploints it started and just leaves you asking '"thats it?" Wym the ending is literally a dead giveaway for a major plot involving garou and the monster association.
My counterpoint about this video is that you seem to be viewing One Punch Man as a typical shonen battle anime, where the goal is winning the fight against the bad guy. That's never really the question with OPM, and further, OPM isn't even a battle anime. One Punch Man is, in my opinion, a slice of life anime cleverly disguised as a battle anime. This season saw TONS of character development for Saitama, both in making new friends, and in realizing things about himself. One of the best moments in the series happened when King gave this long, inspirational speech about how being the strongest hero didn't make Saitama the GREATEST hero, only to have that moment hilariously undercut by King's admission he stole the speech from a manga.
Other anime youtubers suggest that Saitama's battle is ALWAYS the B or C plot, and that Saitama is only ever the A plot when the story has nothing to do with an immediate fight. Watching season 2 from that perspective might make it more enjoyable for you!
This is the best comment on this video. Totally new perspective. Thanks
@@MoneyGist Check out Nux Taku's videos on OPM. It made me see OPM in a whole new light
Wisdom
I just have one gripe with this season though..... The animation quality felt a bit lacking, I guess it bothers me more than it should, but as an animator myself... I like seeing good animation
I'm stuck on ep 2 of this season... I watch every anime series I can find, but only dubbed, and that's the thing: It's a huge step down in visuals to s1 AND it's not dubbed. Ugh. But I really really wanted the female characters, Tatsumaki and her sister, to get more screen time/development. And you claim the characters are further developed...ugh, idk, is it really worth watching subbed for someone who effin hates subs? lol
Season 2 didn't complete the arc it introduced, and the manga hasn't either (where the original webcomic has). Season 2 should have been longer to complete this arc.
Exactly
Sorry, I don't get it. The season 2 is based on the manga, and the manga did the story in another way? Or the anime still faithful to the manga, the problem was simply that the anime ended too soon?
No, us just complete in a third aeason .
Each season should have had 20 episodes. Season 2 should had fillers like Genos back story in one episode and deconstruction of every anime trope characters.
@@DanteMoraes there are 2 mangas, the original and the "revised". the original is the farthest obviously and the revised will end the saga shortly. the second season of the anime kind of introduced the start of the saga but abruptly ended with the 12th episode.
everything follows the exact same story of the original manga but paced differently.
Madhouse did season 1, JC Staff did season 2, BONES did Mob Psycho.
ResistanceFm I was looking for this comment. The initial mistake didn’t allow me to pay attention to the rest of the video
The reason as to why season 2 wasn't as amazing as the first episode wasn't simply J.C. Staff's fault. It was Mumen Rider's fault for not showing his true power.
Don’t spoil season 3 bro
I mean, Mumen Rider can STAND WHILE CYCLING. How more OP can you get than that?!
@The Bandog same here man, same here...
I was about to flip tables when Garou started smashing his head to the ground in ep3
@The Bandog thankfully, Garou doesn't *kill* heroes, he just beats them up real good. Just to show that the monsters can win too.
For me season 2 suffered from a lack of Genos and Saitama's relationship, that dynamic is one of the more interesting aspects of the show and yet Genos is barely in this season.
The main character for OPM 2 is garou not saitama and exploring new character development's is a good choice by the web creator "One"
@@grimthedisappointed7711 yeah I know that now, just caught up with the manga. I still wanted more Geno's, but I was impressed by how everyone else was given room to develop too. The manga is infinitely superior.
@@CourtneyCoulson boy just be happy madhouse didn't animate s2
@@grimthedisappointed7711 true true
Sounds gae
So who’s gonna tell them Garou is the protagonist of season 2? Getting stronger fighting heroes. Gaining information from the book. Unaware Bang & Bomb are hunting him. Rising to the challenge each time. Several flashbacks to his childhood traumas that made him who he is.
Yeah I liked OPM S2 and Garou. Most people were hoping for the animation of S1. That was the main issue
It was definitely the issues with the storytelling and directing that people disliked. It just wasn't as well done and didn't come off nearly as good as season 1. I still thought season two was a solid 8ish/10 but season 1 was a masterpiece. Madhouse did it so good in there own way that season 2 just felt so out of place. Just some basic stuff like sound/music mixing was so off in season two it killed the hyped vibes. Season 2 just didn't hit as hard.
@@PowGetRekt i must say if you show someones both season without telling him they changed studios and had to rush it, no one would really notice the 2nd season has poor animation.
Ben Shoshani it wasn’t poor per say. Just not as good. I feel like making an argument only for the animation is just 30% of what went wrong in s2.
Not really even if garou was the protagonist of season 2. I just love watching Saitama. I'm so bored of the "guy who struggles with his -traggic- past and his motivations to keep pushing forward like any other naruto protagonist crap" just makes it the more enjoyable when Saitama beats him and destroys his motivations.
Fortunately Season 3 will have more about the other heroes. And since Garou was abandoned in the webcomic since the end of the monster association ark. And it's likely the current ark will not include him. He will not be a part of season 4.
It was not funny. Scenes with King were boring. Too many pointless side charachters. There were one-second fights in season 1 but they were funny. In season 2, every Saitama fight was one-second (Saitama attacked first and fights ended immidiately) and they were without any soul, lines, reactions etc. (except the final round of the tournament which was too short). Also we did not see any epic fight (like House of Evolution boss and end of season 1 alien boss Boros). I think Garou is not deep enough. His ideas were interesting but his story was not at all.
To sum up, eventhough people say "Season 1 is perfect and season 2 is good/meh/standard", in reality season 2 is just SHIT. Not with comparison to season 1. Solely, generally, and in every aspect season 2 is one of the WORST anime I have ever seen.
Can you do "One Punch Man: What Went Wrong?": What Went Wrong?
we need to get this to top comment if they make that one it can be so fucking good
What went wrong: "So.... we misunderstood the running theme/joke of the series."
They also got dbz wrong too, its wasn't for tension, they were stalling for it to be written.
I mean, it's less than 15 seconds and they already got it wrong.
Mob Psycho 100 is done by studio Bonez (the guys behind My Hero Academia, Full Metal Alchemist and Soul Eater). Madhouse (Death Note and other great action shows) did One Punce Man season 1, but it was JC staff behind season 2. And JC is a fine studio, but it is not as good as Bonez or prime Madhouse (prime because generally they're not as great as they used to be)...
@Dave >being this mad
I don't hate Wisecrack for misunderstanding how the plot was supposed to develop, however I think most of us agree this season focuses on Garou being the main protagonist.
Where I think it went wrong was the downgrade in animation by JC Staff and the abrupt ending (stopping in the middle of the arc).
Overall I think this season is 8/10
I think Garou and the other S Class heroes really carry this season. Saitama as a plot device for the other characters seems fitting because beating eveything in one punch everytime in every episode can become repetitive and boring.
Hopefully next season is better in terms of animation because the manga is fucking beautiful and I want some justice done for it.
THANK YOU. I was looking for this comment.
And we all knew the animation downgrade was coming and fully expected months and months before Season 2 ever aired, ever since the initial announced that Madhouse wouldn't be doing S2 and that JC Staff would be picking it up, so I don't know why people are still harping on that as if it's a "new thing" or anything worth mentioning anymore besides to those who weren't aware of the studio change. But it keeps getting brought back up as "critique" of the thing like it's some new insight, when it's not, lol. And yea, the pacing of the season could have been a little better than the abrupt ending, but I still think it was mostly solid (wasn't the worst animation I've seen out there by a long shot -- was still pretty decent -- and was better than us never getting any more animated One Punch Man.) So yea, I pretty much agree with you.
@@DeathBringer769 I really hope Studio Bones will be in charge of OPM S3. I've heard that Madhouse as a studio were not directly responsible behind OPM season 1 animation. Is that true?
My thoughts exactly. Yeah, everything could be better as a whole (visually wise but also the sound effects, which were horrible), but it would be really hypocritical of me to say it was garbage, because I've seen WAY worse. The 2nd season, if you read the manga, you know it couldn't have ended any later or sooner, because that was the biggest fight yet and the big events that follow aren't even finished in the manga, so it would have been really dissapointing to end just before the turning points of the current arc.
I do hope some other studio with more talented people to improve an all the visual and sound aspects, since the upcoming battles deserve it and are some of the best up until this point. JC staff is not bad on my eyes, but definetely not the best choice for this kind of anime, especially with the poor planning and management they showed for this season, perhaps S2 would have been incredible if they gave the team more time to work instead of the rushed deadlines because of the fans pressure.
They stopped well before the middle of the arc, honestly barely a quarter of the way through if that much. Considering they very well couldn't animate the entire arc in 1 season, where they stopped is about as good a place as any to stop. I guess the more I think about it the more I come around to them stopping 2 or so more episodes in where they locate and decide to counter attack the monster lair. That might've been a better breaking point
I love you, Wisecrack, but this video is weak in trying to prove whatever point you're making.
You're limiting yourselves in your critiquing by sticking to how shonen mangas/animes have always done it, when in reality OPM has always been a satire, and there for breaks conventional methods that said shonen stories have always taken. This video just feels like youre pigeonholing controversial opinions to make your theory work.
Also, how much more of the "A plot" (Saitama) can we really follow at this point until it just gets boring? Suggesting the show needs to focus around all these other rich and geuniely interesting characters, like Garou, just to build up to Saitama coming in to save the day and basically soil the arcs that are trying to be built? That's honestly boring.
Sorry guys, didn't care for this one at all.
I complete agree for me they complete fail to recognize what the second Season (the later part of the Manga) is going for and where the adaption is failing. The season is adapting some of the best parts in the Manga but fail to deliver them correctly especially then it comes to jokes a lot of the humor from the first season and Manga is lost
You're ignoring the fact that One Punch Man is not a full on satire and still follows the Shounen formula with similar escalation to that of Shounen. The only Satire element is the fact that Saitama can one shot all his enemies. If you look at OPM as a show in general, its formula isn't any unique from what it satires itself on.
The problem with Garou is the fact that no matter what he will do in the story, he is worthless as a threat to Saitama. Seeing him basically get easily one shotted by Saitama twice with ease is incredibly disappointing or dissatisfying. It's a narrative consequence of making an unbeatable MC is that it makes any sort of conflict to arise uninteresting.
No matter what Garou does in the narrative, it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of the narrative. The fact still remains is that alot of people's interest in OPM mostly comes from cool fight sequences and decent animation which this season lacked almost entirely.
Completely agree with you, I feel like people expected a repeat of season 1 while not getting what made the show so great and why it couldn't just be that.
Also Saitama's story has always been internal, his story is not about the fights he ends with a single punch but about his relationship with king and other heros and what it means to fulfill your goals. He hasn't been sidelined he just never was "inline" they way people thought he was.
Further it's pointless to talk about a climax in this analysis as they are only halfway through the arc and thus haven't completed the a or b story.
@@InfinityNation100 nah, it really wasn't. But agree to disagree I suppose haha
@@YightLagami than this show is going to get boring SUPER quick if they stick with that formula
I think the only real problem with season two is it applies the mangas pacing to the anime. The entirety of this arc, which wisecrack seems to have missed, is about the growth and development of Garou. It's like the One punch man equivalent of infinity war, but as a season climax it doesn't quite land, whereas within the confines of the manga's pacing it feels a lot more satisfying.
I think if the manga were released at a bit of a better pace, this would have really been a mid season finale for a 23 episode anime.
Also, I'm glad the comments section seems to be thinking on the same lines here! I know the art is a bit of a fall off, but the show still hit some great beats.
Except he isn't the main character of the show it's Saitama, and relegating him to the side, for much more uninspired and cliched character is just downright bad writing.
The problem is the length a typical anime season. Season 3 will use the new structuring of season 2 as a foundation to greatly expand upon and compound with the story telling mechanics of season 1.
Garou has been introduced as a character that follows the heroes Journey and Saitama will be used as a device to subvert that arc, but the arc needs to be built before it can be subverted
Hey Jared maybe re-watch S2 again but through Garou’s perspective that’s how it follows the shounen formula u were explaining earlier.
I'd even argue that Garou is the A plot of the season.
Garou is the a plot.
Ryan Nicholson you at right he is the protagonist in this season.
Pretty much yeah and he’s exploiting the zenkai boost from DBZ.
Except he gets instant powerups from getting beaten up rather than having to wait til he recovers... so he's basically Goku Black with his insane growth.
Dude, Madhouse wasn't the studio doing the second season of one punch man. Get your facts straight.
Not to mention Saitama was not the main character of this season, obviously.
They even got it wrong on MobPscho that was animated by Studio Bones. I doubt they even watch they anime even. What they said doesn't even make sense.
@@aliNET86 that too yes.... Very poor video research, surprised there are so many likes
"Bald Cape"... honestly, they should have translated it as "Caped Baldy" instead...
They did, but not in the anime.
Two favourite scenes of the series were Saitama's encounters with Garou and how oblivious he is
I remember *Comic Drake* saying something in his *One Punch* episode like;
_"The One Punch series is one that stands out from other Manga, in the sense that it places just as much focus on it's side characters, as it's main hero."_
What went wrong? A season covering only half an arc, while the manga is only now coming to a close in said arc. The anime only hit the setup before ending so of course it feels unfinished, because it is lol
Coming to a close? Yeah right, not it's far from over. Plus the printed manga, which the anime adapts, is far behind the online manga.
It's an adaptation problem, the Monster Association arc is pretty long.
So yeah, in a way, season 2 missed the mark, but like you said it's just half an arc.
So this video says absolutely nothing, it's like a critique of half a movie.
Terrible animation that failed to convey the same emotion as season 1
I think should of broke the season up in parts like they did for attack on titan. This arc isn’t even over
@@patrickm1695 If only _half_ a movie was released in theatres would you expect critics to not review it?
I think the problem with Season 2 is pacing. Season One did the slow buildup to Saitama’s One-Punch four or five times. A huge chunk of Season 2 is the tournament, so the buildup is stretched to breaking point.
Agreed. That was my only problem with this season. Not including the animation dip.
Actually the Garou's arc is around 1/4. This is why it feels slow, because nothing has happened yet.
@Zero Kurapika Thank you! Finally! Someone who gets how long the arc is. Everyone else keeps saying it would be 12-24 episodes more to finish it, but the manga keeps expanding it massively. 36 episodes is far more likely.
@@nonenone6704 it could be done with 24 episodes. The MA vs S class took the largest chunk of this arc and it isnt even that long.
@Rainy Devil Not in the webcomic… but Murata and ONE will almost certainly expand it massively. Look at the Demons, only 30 pages in the webcomic, but now around 500 pages in the manga. There's already enough material for 12 episodes up to Orochi, not even halfway through the raid yet.
"He's more a plot element than a character" isn't that the point? I always thought that was kinda the critique made by One Punch man, if Saitama is the Shonen protagonist and the protagonist is the connection point for the audience, doesn't it make sense that One Punch Man's greatest critique of modern culture is the alienation of the Masses, the strongest force (or Hero) in the world?
yeah, it seems they forgot it's not a shonen but a parody and subversion of the genre
Acutally in the very beginning of the video he admits it's a critique on the shonen genre
@@Peecamarke and then he proceeded to critique it as a 'by the numbers' shonen
@@Peecamarke I think the point was that he acknowledged that it was a critique of the genre, but seemed to dismiss the ability to use the structure as a form of parody and critique, citing the relative adherence to the Shonen structure in the first season as somehow indicative of higher narrative quality. It seems like a review of One Punch Man without acknowledging the context of the society that made it and how the characters within relate to the society that inspired them. This is so often I feel a failure of artistic critique, to fall into the assumptions of a status quo, instead of questioning what it implicates. Why does the audience want Saitama to be more involved? Do we even want that? What is Saitama symbolically? Most of these questions will be answered with subjective opinions, but it is still interesting that One Punch Man gives a platform to raise these questions, and is deeply reflective of the super hero culture that inspired many of these shows.
Even tho One Punch-Man isn’t shounen it’s Seinen.
1. Mob Psycho 100 II was made by Studio Bones, not Madhouse. Wrong info isn't exactly a pleasant way to start a video.
2. 11:57 Season 2's main arc was the Monster Association Arc, not the Martial Tournaments arc and Season 3's main arc will also be the Monster Association one only. The Martial Tournaments arc was a side/mid/sub/whatever arc but not the main one.
3. 14:13 Yeah because if they connected him to the "larger storyline" then it would be boring and Suiryu wouldn't understand the true value of heroes.
4. 18:30 If they used the same formula again and again it would become boring. Give Garou a chance too since he is a very interesting character.
5. 19:57 It's still a show about Saitama. They are just focusing on the rest of the world (Heroes, Monsters, Tournaments etc.) and Garou.
Saitama had such an away char build.... Two seasons of the same would be mostly lame. Season one had a Lot of skippable moments.
I would call it the "Keep Saitama distracted or the arc is over before it has even begun"-arc, whici s honestly the main reason it exist.
Though ONE did, clever as he is, manage to put in some philosophy into it.
I never felt like the show was about Saitama. It surely is also about him and his depression, but it is mostly about a world with professional heroes and how the word has been twisted.
We have seen heroes crushing each other to stay on top, disregarding priorities for their own glory, picking on other just for being on a lower rank, how ungrateful the citizens have become for having their life saved...
And then we get the message the entire world just believes in from Garou:
"In the end the hero wins. No matter what."
We, the audience know that there are some pretty aweful people working as heroes, but because they are still heroes they are supposely the good guys no matter what.
OMG........... this is probably the first time Wisecrack did an awful job....
Seitama was never "A" plot...
Mob psycho 100 2 was animated by studio bones, not studio madhouse.
pretty shocking lack of research
@@droberts4791 also explains the difference in quality
@@droberts4791 or you know, a simple mistake
@@TheAbram099 I dunno, I've never made a video essay but if I did, I think that if I were going to make any statements of fact about the subject I'm talking about, then I'd make sure those statements are correct.
I mean, if this were like a podcast where he was talking on the fly, I'd appreciate it as just a simple mistake but lets be honest, this video looks like it took hours to produce and probably by a team.
I would assume that during the production time they would have re-watched their (unpublished) video several times to make sure everything was good and during that time they never caught the mistake in the first sentence, maybe but I doubt it.
They probably just assumed they were correct and never bothered to fact check.
@@ghosbaby yes but to my understanding this wasn't the full reason why the difference in quality was so vast.
One reason why many fans of OPM disliked season 2 was because of the incredibly poor pacing. Personally, I felt the middle section episodes were pretty awful and I know lots of people that feel the same.
But it would not be fair to put all the blame on JC Staff (the animation studio for season 2) because a large part of the reason why the episodes seems so poorly paced and badly animated was because they were rushed to bring out the second season.
I had heard some people saying they had little over a week to make some episode.
Given more time though, I doubt that JC Staff could have produced animation on the level of season 1 but I think we might have gotten a much tighter, more well-presented package than we actually got.
I think this is mostly a lesson to the Japanese animation industry but I doubt they'll pay attention to it
GARUO IS THE MAIN ARC OF THIS SEASON WHY THE HELL IS THAT SO DIFFICULT TO GET?
It's not, saitama doesn't always need to be the main character and I like that
garou is the main character and how can watching saitama instant ko'ing every foe continue remaining interesting, pretty bad take tbh
Protagonist* not main character, big difference. Saitama is still the main character, but Garou is certainly viewed as the protagonist of this season
That's... not what a protagonist is
@@bladechild2449 oh it's not? Update me on what a protagonist is. Because, last I checked, a protagonist is a leading character, the character we follow to drive the story forward. Protagonist doesn't apply to just the person in the title, albeit most stories do just have it where the protagonist is the main character. We viewed most of this season from Garou's head/perspective. He certainly has the quality and traits to be a protagonist.
@@sicawhoremanchester6821 The protagonist is the main character, check your dictionnary.
@@sicawhoremanchester6821 Protagonist is a synonym for main character. There is no difference.
I feel like you're missing the point of this arc.
Saitama isn't the main character, Garou is.
The story is a flip on traditional shonen series. Usually we see the hero's growth and development take place, but in OPM we see the opposite.
We see that Saitama is at the end of his journey, he's already achieved his goal. However, with Garou, we still see him going through that process.
Also, within the world of OPM, Garou serves the role of the villain, but to the viewer, he's more of a protagonist than an antagonist. Which is even more of a flip on traditional shonen, seeing "the bad guy" going through the shonen development.
15 seconds in and you already wrong. Mob Psycho isn't made by Madhouse. It's like basic research...
It was made by Madhouse animators though.
OPM season 2 wasn't done by Madhouse, it was J.C. Staff. That's why it looks so meh.
I actuelly enjoy the story and passing of season 2. I really love everything we see with King. He is a great character. My problem is the animation. In season 1 we got this great fight animation in more or less every episode. In season 2 the animation is just not as good.
it wasn't just J.C. Staff fault, director and his team from S1 didn't return, J.C.S had I thing less than 2 years to make this season (which is really short when you need about 3 weeks per episode).
the video is criticising the story and it's based on the manga, as season one. So it will not get any better
And Bones did Mob s1 and 2
MadHouse could have done S2 and still looked like this, S1 looked that way cause of the director’s connections with freelancers
Saitama Is Basically Jack Sparrow. hugely popular and funny, but he isn't, and never was, the main focus of the pirates of the Caribbean (at least when referring to the very first movie).
this is probably the wrongest interpretation of season 2, and also maybe the most common. People seem to forget that the point is that Saitama is BORED, utterly bored, there is no excitement in his life. Because he always wins, this season is there to show us just that. If we are expecting Saitama to have excitement, then we are Saitama. When he fails to get any interesting fight, when killing goeketsu off screen is dissatisfying, that's becuase the fight was unsatisfying to Saitama as well.
This season is also just the first part of the whole Monster Association Arc, and the plot A is the Human Monster Garou, he is the polar opposite of Saitama, he has all the excitement, he grows and gets better. Garou is the Plot A.
Monster Association and Orochi is Plot B, and we know how monsters plots end whenever Saitama joins the fight.
this exactly
OPM is becoming more complicated than Neon Genesis Evangelion, ok I am exaggerating but ONE is really a genius, OPM has a very complicated subplot and if analyzed for good it turns out in fact the genius that is ONE, but in the anime they have not been able to adapt especially the rhythm on which OPM is based in order not to be boring, to say OPM in the manga entertains very well and it seems an amusing and epic reading, and it is so in a certain way, but then when I analyze what ONE wants to communicate to us it is really mature .
OPM is at the same time a deconstruction of shonen and superheroism, but it is also a reading as I said with a subplot where there is an individual like Saitama looking for something beautiful is that perhaps he will never find with a "fight" then we discover this world full of individuals, even if they are very happy, charismatic and full of energy, especially Garou (this one in particular has a development and characterization that no other character in OPM has) that despite being against the whole world goes on for his goal without ever stopping and getting bored, this is the contraposition to Saitama and it is Garou's subplot, then we go from the deconstruction one, Garou is practically a shonen hero who, however, cheers for the bad guys and has a characterization similar to a Vegeta or Pain (Naruto) but as we know unlike any other shonen hero he will never win because there is Saitama, then there is that of the simple plot that is what we saw in the anime.
With this I analyzed only one character and not OPM as a whole, but if I did it I would never end, but I hope it managed to make it clear how complicated and simple OPM is at the same time, let's not underestimate OPM is not something like any other shonen average.
Season two is like 1/3 to 1/2 of an arc from the manga. There summed it up.
Bones made mob psycho 100 anime, not madhouse. Also it’s another company that made one punch man season 2 called JC staff not madhouse. God almighty, these take just a click on the internet to know about
Yet he's sponsored, getting hundreds of thousands of views and getting paid tons, yet rando comments like ours with 2 seconds of Googling apparently can do a better job, lol. I don't know if this video is representative of his usual quality/research level, but this one was quite pathetic.
I was wondering why is nobody addressing this.
Yeah, the story for season 2 went exactly how it did in the Manga. Season 1 covered the first 30 or so chapters. The arc that starts in the Manga after that (and is started in Season 2) is still going at over 120 chapters
Yup, this right here. The pacing of the manga really changes in a way that happens to coincide with the end of the arcs the first season covered. I would, typically, expect the quality to drop when the anime deviates from the source, but that doesn't seem to be the cause here.
Nux Taku did better critiques of One Punch Man.
agreed. he really gets into it!
110% agree. Dont tell me thats impossible. My high school gym teacher wouldn't lie to me.
Nux is my waifu
Lord Nuxanor is our meme Lord, philosophy Guru both at the same.
Lord Twigo is the real protagonist of one punch man season 2, that's why this analysis sucks
S2 was less about Saitama and more about other characters and the lore totally (which just continues for a while)
Many of the characters I thought were just side characters developed way more in the later part (after Boros) in a way I didn't imagined, every character was given solid development and some for a limited time a MC treatment
@Mohammed Al Nayeem or Naruto and Sasuke
I 100% agree. I saw reviews online and was surprised why wasn't anyone talking about this?
I think the main Problem with season 2 is, that it is a season.
The manga builds the main plot with the monster assosiation way longer, and the Hero Hunter is a legit sideplot, long and full of charakters and their development.
Saitama on the other hand has serious issus and is so bored that he wanted to quit being a hero and thus learning why people are having fun with martial arts.
Therefor the tournament.
Saitamas A-Plot is his depression.
The B C D E and F sideplots are all mingling together in a very long breath, where you start believing, that the, didnt use the shonen formula you explained.
This whole arc isn´t even complete in the manga. Please, Wisecrack
It is in one's version
And what chaps my ass is the fact that it's been great filling in the gaps ONE's manga.
@@jesse564 its muratas version
I'll be the odd one out but I really loved season 2 mostly because of Garou, it was just super cool seeing him go from fight to fight and constantly being beat up but keeps getting up. And in all honesty I've probably rewatched Season 2 Episodes 3,10,11 and 12 more than anything in season 1. And yes I obviously know the animation isn't as good as the first
Spoona Benson Garou was awesome but he would’ve been better if the show kept its flow. The manga is great
I'm with you. I'm watching the video while typing and I don't get where the fuck is the problem with this season. He's beating around the bush for adsense
Agreed. Garou is the true main character of Season 2.
The animation was just off I enjoyed it but just a lack of flow really. Just go watch that scene in season 1 where he chomps that blade, and pretty much all of season 1. That what I mean by “flow”.
The story is great no problem with that at all! I read the manga before and the story and plot are the same.
On reading the manga...you can clearly see that season 2 was supposed to be an universe widening and exploring season...the show had to leave Saitama out so we can enjoy and understand the universe of Opm.it was also supposed to be the storyline that showed Garo’s arc.the season disappoints because it was incomplete.they should have completed it with Garo arc closing off.season 3will still not have Saitama do much other than mess up orochi.but the exploration would be complete.here is hoping the season 1 artists come back.
I would agree with your points. The general reason that A, B and C plots feel so incomplete is the simple fact that this is only half of the garou arc. To use your compersion this is as if the Freeze arc stopped while Goku was traveling through space to get to Namek. Yes there is that much content left for a hopeful third season, as the material of season 2 of One Punch Man is the set up for all these seemingly separate stories to converge in a singular place. Sadly season 2 was only 12 and not 24 episodes long. Seriously manga Volume wise the Hero Hunter makes for over 2 thirds of all of One Punch Man thus far. It'd be amazing if you did video on the whole story even if that means manga spoilers. Cause when you have the whole picture and not a piece of a puzzle the prospective changes. At least those are my thoughts.
If ur gonna make a video like this at least do some research this is embarrassing
What do you mean?
@@Stiv64_ it was on the wrong phase he didn't even mentioned the main arc of S2 which is Garou. The tournament is the most boring arc of One punch man actually
@@Milan-db3uy ...and how exactly does that weaken their argument? Garou's arc sucked, too. Not only because Saitama wasn't involved at all.
Stiv64 he kept saying madhouse when they didn’t even make this season kind embarrassing to blame mad house when they had nothing to do with this season that’s what I mean by no research
@@Stiv64_ why do you think so?
I horrendously disagree
I love season 2
Garou was the main protagonist
The main reason I think people hate it is just because madhouse didn’t make it
Correction: Mob Pyscho is produced by Bones not Madhouse - thanks for all the comments (and our Patrons) for pointing this out.
🙄 do your research next time.
Also, One Punch Man Season 2 was not Madhouse
And season 2 of one punch man is not made by studio madhouse but j.c staff
Not only that but they changed the entire staff, including the director.
Wouldn’t Garou be the shonin protagonist in this season? (If not, I don’t really know what that means)
d h I mean, for a person who don’t quite understand the meaning of the word, you’re more correct than Wisecrack was lol
@@tuongtrinh4720 lmao
One of the problems of this season was poor animation, bad pacing and weak delivery on most of the action scenes, that did not have the weight they should have, specially on the finishing moves.
I liked the fact that the tournament story (often the keystone of shounen anime, dragging on for dozens of episodes) mostly happened off-camera, and pretty much every match ended very quickly. The pointless absurdity of the tournament was a good spoof of this quintessential plotline. Now we just need a beach episode...
I can't remember what Saitama did in the previous season. Whenever I'm engaged in a discussion about OPM I immediately visualise Garou. It almost feels as though season 2 was his (Garou's) story arc...idk
Thats cause it is s2 is a setup arc. For monster association and garou as a villain.
agree, I feel like wisecrack completely missed the point of the whole season
Garou is s2's protagonist, change my mind
I always picture Puri Puri Prisoner getting naked and sprouting wings. Idk
That's because it was meant to be his story arc
Gauro is the A plot. If you’re paying attention he’s an anti-hero where the story actually explains his motives and makes you feel for him for damn near the whole season. We get to hear his inner thoughts (no real baddies get that insight). He literally gets stronger after each fight like every Shonen hero and overcomes impossible odds. I’m surprised how this goes over people’s head. We all know Satiama is OP but he’s the C Plot in season 2 and I’m perfectly okay with that.
Loved garou honestly
You got so many things wrong about the story in not only one punch man but dragon ball as well.
Saitama didn’t go to the tournament to try to defeat Garou it was just to see if martial arts could be pose a challenge and make things fun for him. Also Goku went to Namek when the Ginyu force was about to kill Vegeta and company.
I disagree with this analysis. It makes an assumption which strikes me as false in treating Season 2 as a standalone story. Season 2 came across to me as Act I of a story. It establishes conflict - Saitama's boredom in parallel with the doomsday threat to the world posed by the monster association, as well as Genos' weakness and Garo's frustration. This conflict in turn propels the heroes on a journey that forces them to confront and overcome this conflict. The journey happens in Act II. It did not happen in Season 2. The season ended just as our characters are set to embark on this journey. Season 2 did an excellent job of setting the stakes. It demonstrated the overwhelming role that Saitama has played in his world, by showing that he has unwillingly inspired many of the greatest heroes of the Hero Association and defeated the world's greatest threats. Saitama's existential crisis, therefore, represents the true threat to his world. This, in turn, is the subversion of the hero trope that we expect from OPM. It's not so much the monsters that are the greatest threat, as much as the cynicism of the heroes. Season 2 sets this up but in no way moves the resolve it. It think it presents a fairly successful set up. In fact, I probably liked the more character driven approach better than Season 1.
“Wisecrack in 2019: What went wrong?” Is the question I’m asking halfway through this video that spews out information everyone and their mum knows.
Nux Taku would disagree. This season was amazing. It was different and did not play to the usual form.
What I'm hearing form this video: This thing wasn't like the last thing so it's bad. I don't agree
What went wrong? Nothing
Season 2 is great and Garou is an amazingly complex character.
But going by your breakdown
Your whole gripe seems be that whatever plot saitama is in is by default the A plot or that it should be...
I would argue that the saitama is not the protagonist of season 2, it's Garou, garou is the A plot,
Garou = A plot
Heros fighting the Monster Association = B plot
Saitama and the martial arts tournament = C plot
All these things do intersect in the climax against garou fighting the hero association, the monster association showing up to save him, elder centipede takes out the remaining heros or would of if not for saitama showing up.
Just like during the namek saga goku was not the A plot...until he was.
Krillin and gohan searching for the dragon balls was the A plot
Vegeta and freeza's men playing cat and mouse were the B plot.
Goku training was the C nning plot.
It wasn't until goku got there that he became to A plot and that was only for a couple eps and he was out of commission again for ages and became the C plot again almost immediately.
OPM season 2 if anything suffers from being too short.
Just like how the namek arc had goku as the C plot until he briefly fought the ginyu force becoming the A plot before becoming the C plot again, then onl6 becoming the the real A plot again as he fought freeza.
Saitama was the C plot of season 2, briefly becoming the A plot as he fought Elder centipede and if the season were longer he'd be the C plot again until things came to a head vs orochi and garou in the climax of the monster association arc where he would become the real A plot.
I guess season 2 suffers from being a 12 episode season, back in the days of 24+ episode seasons it would of concluded with either the garou fight. (Freeza) not the elder centipede fight (ginyu force).
I think the intention behind the story was to be like you say, letting Saitama be the C plot with the rest of the tournament, letting the heroes be the B and Garou be the A as it is in the manga. But it honestly felt like they always leaned in towards Saitama to be the A plot throughout the Season which might be one of the reasons why it went downhill. Saitama has the spotlight for too long and Garou and the rest of the Hero Association screentime always felt rushed.
For example the Tournament Arc: The troupe here was that in Shounen Anime, tournaments are the arcs that mean the most but here it wasn't supposed to mean anything and the focus should have been on the Monster Associations Invasion and only briefly showing the progression of the tournament for the viewers.
I guess they choose to adapt to much information covering almost 60 chapters of the manga in 12 episodes.
Your reason for DBZ paving is wrong.
The episode’s pacing were stalled to create gaps between the manga and anime.
Not to mention that Goku did NOT arrive on Namek and immidiately fought Frieza...
Most of this video was explaining things that happened and all the way through i was like "oh yeah that was pretty good" "i enjoyed that bit, i enjoyed every bit actually" So thanks for making me realize NOTHING went actually wrong lmao
I thought that S2 adapted the manga pretty well, so i don't think that it is specifically the anime's fault.
mikkel larsen when Garou counter punched Tank Top Master the anime actually added a cool flair, but people overlook the positive too much
they are building lore. having well rounded characters beyond the main, will make future seasons all the more enjoyable. pacing over seasons rather than within a season.
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Thank you Last Pass, I'm so glad I stopped the video there before listing to this.
If you want only the shounen formula without any variation OPM isn’t for you wisecrack
There isn't any variation, the formula exist because its successful and others are failure.
Jack Johnson the current form of narrative opm exemplifies is enticing and exciting despite the lack of adherence to said formula
To be honest, I kinda had the same reaction when I read the manga chapters, however the season 2 is only 1/3 or half an arc, and trust me it gets a lot better as it goes on.
Season 2 is an incomplete arc, the tournament is literally filler for the real one, Garou and his ascencion to evildom. The final fight between Garou and Saitama is probably the manga's best, even over Boros.
Can't wait to watch how murata draws it. I bet he is the one who is most excited.
Rip spoiler alert
@@Milan-db3uy whats the spoiler about it? the fact that the arc is going to end the way the title implies it? with a fight and one punch?
Your missing the fact that this was how the manga was written man...
Word. And man the arc has great build-up to the main battle. I can't wait to see how they animate the Garou v Saitama final fight.
The original team better be the ones behind it at that point..... they would surpass the Boros fight if they were given the chance.
I think it's just the directing dude. I'm a big fan of the manga but the season's 2 adaption kinda fell flat for me
And on another note, saitama's VA felt a little lackluster compared to season 1. I get they were trying to go for an "uninterested" tone but most of the the voice acting wasn't up there compared to season 1 as well as the OST for this season.
And that makes it better?
Quick but important note here - Madhouse only did One Punch Man's 1st Season. Both seasons of Mob Psycho were done by Studio Bones, and the 2nd Season of One Punch Man was produced by JC Staff.
What went wrong???The entire 2nd season is the pilot for season 1 ep2. -Genos lose, saitama one punch the low level monster. The End… didn’t even let Genos grow as a character.
Man, all these "A" plots and "C" and "B" plots.
I had no idea that there was so much that went into storytelling.
Man Wisecrack, did you miss the themes of this season. Garou was the main focus on his journey to be the best monster. That was the A plot, not the c plot. If anything the tournament was the c plot of the season.
I really do think it's just the animation and pacing. I loved the manga during the events the anime covers. Still love the manga.
It's not animation. OP man is just not interesting because there's no real danger to anything or anyone. Also it literally is the embodiment of what every so called anime fan hates other series for doing. An all powerful character with literally no competition anywhere. How is it interesting? No idea. I watch simply to see if these ppl would have the balls to actually make a character to challenge this guy. However the side characters fight are very entertaining and I sorta wish they just take Saitama out at least momentarily and let the others get victory against a truly powerful opponent
@@ShakaZ3D No, I'm invested in the manga, so the plot and anticlimaxes do keep me entertained. The martial arts tournament arc does drag on in the manga too, though.
I sort of agree with you though. I thought OPM had a fun one-gag premise and the joke would get old quickly. And then it just... hasn't. It keeps being fun.
To me the first season isn't something they could have done again. The mass size of everything would have turned season 2 into a lame copy. So they did character building and some of the funniest comedy I've seen in an anime before.
Both seasons were fun
Plus one punching every episode becomes predictable and boring. Whereas when he punches randomly a few times throughout the season, it's much more satisfying.
eh no....S1 was adaptated. S2 needed to be adapted by the same TEAM. Does really anyone here watched OPM for the STORY??
So why isn't the manga mentioned? Pretty sure the anime is just following the manga just like season one. Okay I'm done :)
What stood out to me as the theme of this season was characters coming to the realization that they were far from the image they had of themselves. Someone is always better, and even for the strongest person alive, Saitama is immensely lacking in personal skills and even morality. Nearly every character arc in this season ends with a face off against someone who defeats them outright, and they either grow as a person because of it or cease to exist.
I feel our Hero Hunter Garou is actually the focus of this season.
Loll. Saitama isn't the main protagonist in this season or the next one. Sad but true.
A minute in and there’s already plenty of errors. As others pointed out, Mob Psycho 100 was done by Bones, not madhouse. Season 2 of OPM was not done by madhouse, it was jc staff.... I’m not entirely sure if I should spend 20 minutes on this video now.
In one of your videos about season 1, you explained beautifully how boredom comes from Saitama's inability to find challenges in his life, and how that might reflect on us as viewers. I want to sidestep some of the comments that I've read bout how A, B and C plotlines were chosen, and mention the reflection that Saitama.. experienced.. during this season.
One realization was consciously, where he wondered where he was during all that time (mentioned here too). The second part was unconsciously, when King offers a solution to his boredom by trying to open his eyes to the remaining challenges (which Saitama flatout ignored). These challenges are in fact not physically limited, but socially. Saitama needs to change his mindset towards minimizing collateral damage, building his reputation, inspiring moral values in his audience, etc.
I think season 2 builds up this choice for a later season. What Saitama chooses can go either way.. remaining bored and unchanged, or finding it in himself to get out of his comfort zone.
I hope the creators have this kind of philosophy in mind when thinking towards how this series will end. Other than that, I think they nicely expanded the world in this season, even with Saitama being less relevant than in season 1.
Am I the only one who thinks that S2 was also HELLA AWESOME!! and eagerly waiting for S3??
Garou's backstory was really amazing and I feel like this season had to end on a cliffhanger and fall to climax at S3. just like Marvel did with Infinity war and End game.
Nope. I loved season two. I thought I was the only one. I'm glad you liked it as well.
@@lynntaylor9681 same
I loved it too
Not really... I feel saitama has been relegated to the background for a more compelling story of the hero hunter Garou.
I think they understand that the OP joke of saitama has ran its course and therefore they’re trying to minimize his involvement in the whole story hence only bringing him back in extremely dire situations but they try to overcome this change by giving us a new hero/villain (anti-villain?) to root for and we are meant to follow the new “A-story” arc instead of expecting saitama to show up and finish everything all the time.
Sure tensions still rises and falls as saitama comes in but we’re meant to be more curious about Garou and what’s going to happen to him than whether he’ll get ever meet with saitama and if he can ever beat our OP hero which is why they quickly made them meet and showed us how quickly and easily saitama can dispose of him.
In short, Saitama doesn’t take center stage in this season at all until the very end and we get sweet stories of Garou and the monsters association instead. Yes we expect Saitama to save the day in the end but that’s not the real focus as is in other stories where they’re meant to hold on until the hero comes in and saves the day
Tomisin Osasona I ONLY CARE ABOUT SAITAMA FUCK GARO
Hearing that “sharingan” pronunciation was painful
Mol D. Bagels I almost cried
Lol 😂 right
The Anime didn't finished the arc it is establishing. That is why the joke and tension is lost. That season could be paced more faster if they made some of Story B and C plots to be made as OVA Special episode, but they didn't. They just animated the manga..
This arc is over 120 chapters long, the first season was around 60, so ofc they cut it in the middle
I think the crux of Saitama's inaction is actually in the conversation he has with King when they're on their way to dealing with Centichoro, when King tells him he "has a lot of potential to grow", and has so much more to learn about being a hero than mere strength, a pursuit Saitama has initially shown little thought for. While he does have a certain philosophy we could piecemeal together from his exchanges with his opponents--Genus, Suiryu, etc.--he has never devoted much time to becoming the best version of a hero he could be. It's not an accident this conversation with King takes place at the end of the season.
I think they could have diverted from the original source material a bit, like having Saitama going to the martial arts tournament not to join it, but to watch and having him get in a scrape in the parking lot with a couple of martial artists and finding himself unwittingly roped into the tournament only to get disqualified on some random minor technicality, like him not actually knowing a martial art or having his belt tied improperly and then have the monster association right after he left bust in. Having Garou wanting to defeat heroes not because he wants to be a monster, but to prove he's the strongest.
All that research and you still pronounced mangekyo sharingan like that
I dunno... I know I'm not supposed to, but I still liked the second season.
I guess it's not as good as the first, but I still enjoyed it.
yeah dont worry man you can still like it
For me I just read the manga and watching the 2nd season sorta feels like they skimped on the art
"A portion of this video was sponsored by LastPass." Which portion?
Real problem:
season 1 ends at the end of an arc (the boros invasion)
season 2 ends in the middle of the Garou's arc.
It's basically like watching a movie and, while you are in the middle, it ends with a "see you later" (and not in a planned way like a star wars\marvel movie).
It basically means that there is no payoff at all and people are simply stuck there thinking "that's it?" which is a shame because every person that has read the original manga knows that this arc is so damn good later...
Syriu or however you write his name gave me chills when he was calling for a hero, the guy voicing him really gave it his all