Great info! Here in the Yukon with 10-12” fresh snow and pulling a loaded sled I burned about 5 gallons 25l in just a bit more than 100k in my 2014 expedition 600 e-tec.
The trail across McFarlane lake has been moved for this winter. Not yet reflected on the OFSC interactive map. When you get on McFarlane, you'll cross the entire lake to the west edge, then a bit of road running to rejoin the trail in Kivi Park. We owe a big thanks to Kivi Park and to a private land owner for helping us out on this one!
Last weekend, I was out riding with some guys from work. Fast riding, rough trail, pinning the throttle in the powder etc... The 600 EFI only had about 15% more fuel consumption than it did on the 120km ride in the video!
Well, the ACE will almost certainly last longer. And it’ll be more quiet. I bought my sled exclusively for winter recreation, so the 2-stroke power and price point were perfect.
Snow conditions and driving style will have a big impact on fuel consumption, so I sympathize with Ski-Doo for not publishing that info. The video documents my experience while trying to ride in an economic manner. While driving fast, on less favourable terrain, it seems to burn about 15% more fuel.
@@mop1471 Best to order a 2022 on snow check. Prices used higher than I paid new in 2019. People are trying to sell 2018 used higher than list on 2022. Supply chain is broken.
That’s actually why I bought new this year. Was looking for a used machine, but anything under 5 years old cost more than this new one! Has the 2022 lineup been announced yet?
Thanks! And good news: Next season I'll have the chance to compare fuel consumption of identical Expedition Sport sleds, but one with 600 ACE and the other with 600 EFI! Do me a favour and subscribe so you don't miss it!
For everybody’s info. I ride wide open a lot! I get a little less kms on my tundra on gas but on oil I have got 500kms so far with one jug of skidoo etec oil
The local dealer today told me that "we have heard feedback from some customers that they are seeing anywhere from 23-28mpg depending on different factors!" I'm guessing the factors include they are only going downhill, with the wind, being towed by a moose ...
"towed by a moose"! Love it! The Expedition is one of the heavier Sport models, weighing significantly more than the shorter machines, but 23mpg seems optimistic to me.
@@mop1471 That's a good point. I read somewhere that the MXZ Sport 600 EFI gets 21 mpg (vs the 600 ACE 4-stroke at 28 mpg). That seems closer to being believable given the weight difference (198 kg vs 228 kg for the Expedition Sport). However, given all the accessories Ski-Doo offers, I wouldn't be too surprised to find a moose harness. ;-)
Great review, just a question would you say it’s a good trail sled I am looking at this for my wife does not speed but wants something she can handle with easy. This would be our first ski doo as we have always rode cat but with only four dealers in Saskatchewan we are switching brands. Our riding will be done on trails in the forest and also might use it for retrieving game during hunting season. Just seeing what your thoughts are as you have had some good seat time on this machine. Thanks
I don't ride fast. On my own, on the trail, I might reach 75km/hr, but I'm usually riding between 50 and 60 km/hr. The Expedition is perfectly competent at these speeds. When I go out with a group riding significantly faster than this, the Expedition doesn't want to corner as fast as the sportier machines, but it has no trouble catching up on the straights. If someone wants to trail ride faster than an Expedition can handle, they probably shouldn't be doing it on a public trail. The other side of the coin is the Expedition's off-trail performance: it's incredible! I went into the backcountry to harvest chaga with 5 other guys. The Expedition is the only machine that made it off the trail and into the forrest. I used it to make rounds and collect the harvested chaga from the other guys, who were now on foot. The thing didn't get stuck once. It would drop down and climb back up 10 foot gullies, plow through small gaps, and do it all while floating on top of waist-deep snow. The guys were always happy to see me coming, because it meant they could climb aboard and take a seat for a few minutes! In my opinion, it's the best value in an all-around capability. Make sure to choose your Lin-Q accessories carefully. If you're doing long trips, especially in the backcountry, I recommend the LinQ 14.5L Stackable Fuel Caddy in position 1 and the LinQ Deep Snow Pro Bag in position 2. You can even add an extra small bag on top of the Stackable Fuel Caddy if you need more storage space. Also, the ice scratchers are nice to have to keep the machine cool in low-snow conditions and on groomed trails. My adventures with LinQ: ua-cam.com/video/jE1imoQvfyw/v-deo.html Ice Scratcher Test: ua-cam.com/video/Rs1hykh4pYU/v-deo.html
Thanks! On my first trip through Azilda, I somehow made a wrong turn from the 31 onto the D! The GPS is an old iPhone, and the software is the Go Snowmobiling Ontario official OFSC map App. App costs $4/year. It's not perfect, as evidenced by my wrong turn, but once I figured out how to make it work for me, it got me where I was going. Here's the phone & map app going into the dash: ua-cam.com/video/qsRA-84wsU0/v-deo.html
Yep, 15.3 mpg (US gallons) or 18.3mpg (Imperial gallons). Top Speed video has a graph of speed vs RPM which indicates full shift at 7,000 to 7,200rpm: ua-cam.com/video/KSwpiU9NYE4/v-deo.html
Yes, the 2-stroke is lighter than the 4-stroke. Also, the 4-stroke machines are 'wide body' style, which is probably heaver than the 2-stroke 'narrow body' also.
hi have you ever seen or heard of leaky gas lines on the 600efi; 1 person made this suggestion to me on FB when asking about this machine; they recommended another engine
I've not experienced any leaks nor heard of any from others. It is the first production year for this engine, and, to be honest, I'm surprised that it's been nearly flawless all season. The only 'imperfect' experience was that once, during over 1,200 kilometres of riding, I turned the key to put it in reverse and it stalled. (Started it back up, then turned the key again, and all was fine.)
@@mop1471 thanks because I bought the skidoo BRP real scratchers they wouldn’t work for the 2021 sled maybe you can figure something out better than I can thanks
@@mop1471 I would’ve had to remove the front bogey wheels or move forward a couple holes and I was told not to move them any more forward up I did try to mount them in the middle and they worked fine but the main track spring rod would hit when the transmission would bottom out sorry if it’s hard to explain really without showing you a video of it
@@hansstordahl4322 Just installed the Ski Doo Tunnel Ice Scratchers, p/no 960201279. First impressions are good. Sled was 70°C on the trail, then I deployed the scratchers and the temp dropped to 40°C. Review video coming soon, but in the mean time, here's the installation: ua-cam.com/video/7PkPPeE5xvI/v-deo.html
The Ski-Doo 600R engine, which has 40 more horsepower, is supposed to get better fuel economy. I'd love to test a Backcountry Sport 600 EFI alongside a Backcountry 600R!
Thanks for the videos. In your opinion would the 600 etec be worth the xtra cost in this machine. I'm looking to purchase one as an all around family machine.
Great question. First of all, on the Expedition Sport, engine options are: 600EFI (85hp, 2-stroke), 600ACE (60hp 4-stroke) and 900ACE (95hp 4-stroke.) If you want an Expedition with a 600 Etec, you’ll have to step up to the Expedition LE. Here in Canada, the Sport 600EFI is priced at $10,649 while the LE starts at $15,199 - that’s quite a price jump! I’m sure there are other upgrades on the LE too, but you asked about engines… So, the question is whether the 600 Etec is worth a nearly 50% price jump. No, no it’s not. Not unless you really need that extra horsepower for reasons I can’t imagine. With the 600EFI, my Expedition accelerates hard enough to wheelie, reaches nearly 140km/hr (80mph), devours deep snow, can be pulled up on its edge and climbs any hill you point it at. I’ve never pinned the throttle and thought it could use more power, not even once. If you’re planning to tow really heavy loads long distances, then maybe the 900ACE would be something to think about. The 4-stroke engines are also quieter and there’s no oil odour, which may be advantageous as a recreational family sled. But, in my experience, 4-strokes are a bit less exciting than the lighter, peppier 2-strokes. I’m sure an Expedition LE with a 600 Etec would be an amazing machine with an experienced rider. My other sled has the 600 Rave engine (120hp, predecessor to the 600 Etec) and it’s a bit faster crossing lakes than my Expedition, but I almost never use the additional power. Personally, I honestly have no need for more power than the 600EFI offers and certainly couldn’t justify the price jump for the Etec engine. Sure, my buddies with 800s and 850s get across the lake a few seconds before I do, but if we leave the trail or encounter deep snow, the Expedition 600EFI leads the way every time.
1-year review video has some nice shots of the Expedition Sport performing well, and covers the only deficiency I've found in the 'Sport' trim: ua-cam.com/video/nQHGHac7cmQ/v-deo.html
@@Gendronk I have two machines, an '02 Grand Touring 600 (pre rider forward) and the Expedition. The GT is like a sleigh, in that you feel like you're sitting on the ground. This Expedition feels tall and narrow, so at first, I thought if felt tippy. Now that I have ~700kms under my belt, I realize that it's well designed with a low centre of gravity. It's still more 'tippy' than the GT, but with the rider forward design, you have the ability to easily shift your weight to counteract. It's also easier to get it up on edge, then you have phenomenal maneuverability. As far as steering goes, it doesn't seem to steer as well as a trail or sport machine on a groomed trail, due to the long track. But I wouldn't trade the off-trail traction for more cornering speed. (It's not like it can't keep up on the trails, I'm just leaning in to the curves more than my buddies on their trail machines.)
@@mop1471 I'm going to. Make a few suspension adjustments to the wife's try and get some more ski pressure and after that I think I'll stick some doolys on it we also did the screw in studs on her track.
The break-in is computer controlled. I think it lasted about 600 or 700kms. During break-in, the engine gets extra oil (so it doesn't have full power) and you're not supposed to run it at a constant throttle for too long: pinning the throttle for a few seconds is fine, but don't run WOT all the way across a long lake, for example.
Yes, the dashboard display indicates break-in % complete on startup, until break-in is done. User manual states that extra oil is provided during break-in and that full performance is achieved once complete. In line with this, top speed during break-in was about 110kph, while it achieved nearly 140kph after break-in.
Check the comments! I did the conversion into MPG (US) and MPG (Imperial)! From memory, I think it was 15.3MPG in US gallons, and 18.3 in Imperial gallons.
I'm not sure what kind of fuel economy other brands' competing sleds would achieve on this loop. When riding with buddies, this Expedition always uses less fuel than their machines, but usually not by much.
For my American friends: 15.3mpg (US Gallon). For my British friends: 18.3mpg (Imperial Gallon). Shopping for my first new car, many decades ago, in Canada: One of the salesmen kept going on about how the car he was selling had way better MPG than his competitor's car. It didn't make sense to me, because both cars were about the same size, about the same horsepower and about the same weight. I went home and did the math: he was giving me the MPG in Imperial gallons for his car, but MPG in smaller US gallons for the competitor's car, making his car look artificially better. Since then, I only talk fuel consumption in unambiguous L/100km. And I didn't buy from that guy.
This is the best video about the exact information I was looking for and you did it in less than 5 minutes. Fantastic video!
Glad to help! Make sure to subscribe to get all the latest!
Short and to the point, with all the relevant information. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great info! Here in the Yukon with 10-12” fresh snow and pulling a loaded sled I burned about 5 gallons 25l in just a bit more than 100k in my 2014 expedition 600 e-tec.
Sounds about right. These groomed trails and controlled speeds were best-case scenario for fuel consumption.
That was a good description of your trip.. I'm going to have to try that sometime this winter.
The trail across McFarlane lake has been moved for this winter. Not yet reflected on the OFSC interactive map. When you get on McFarlane, you'll cross the entire lake to the west edge, then a bit of road running to rejoin the trail in Kivi Park.
We owe a big thanks to Kivi Park and to a private land owner for helping us out on this one!
Great video that answered the fuel/oil consumption question I was researching. Thanks!
Last weekend, I was out riding with some guys from work. Fast riding, rough trail, pinning the throttle in the powder etc... The 600 EFI only had about 15% more fuel consumption than it did on the 120km ride in the video!
@@mop1471 I've been debating between the EFI or the ACE, so this is good to know. Thanks.
Well, the ACE will almost certainly last longer. And it’ll be more quiet. I bought my sled exclusively for winter recreation, so the 2-stroke power and price point were perfect.
Thanks for addressing the fuel consumption question about the efficiency of the 600 EFI engine. Ski Doo does not post that information anywhere.
Snow conditions and driving style will have a big impact on fuel consumption, so I sympathize with Ski-Doo for not publishing that info. The video documents my experience while trying to ride in an economic manner. While driving fast, on less favourable terrain, it seems to burn about 15% more fuel.
@@mop1471 I have a 2019 Expedition Sport 900 ACE and was thinking or the 600 EFI Sport for my wife because its 50 lbs lighter.
Do you know of any dealerships that have them in stock? My local dealer sold their entire allotment before they even arrived.
@@mop1471 Best to order a 2022 on snow check. Prices used higher than I paid new in 2019. People are trying to sell 2018 used higher than list on 2022. Supply chain is broken.
That’s actually why I bought new this year. Was looking for a used machine, but anything under 5 years old cost more than this new one! Has the 2022 lineup been announced yet?
Best fuel economy video I've ever seen!
Thanks! And good news: Next season I'll have the chance to compare fuel consumption of identical Expedition Sport sleds, but one with 600 ACE and the other with 600 EFI! Do me a favour and subscribe so you don't miss it!
Great! Thanks for putting this together.
Glad you enjoyed it! We’ll be doing “Top Speed Part 2” soon, in colder weather on a bigger lake!
For everybody’s info.
I ride wide open a lot!
I get a little less kms on my tundra on gas but on oil I have got 500kms so far with one jug of skidoo etec oil
Thanks, that’s great to know! I have noticed that when riding hard, it only uses about 15% more fuel. Not too bad, in my opinion.
The local dealer today told me that "we have heard feedback from some customers that they are seeing anywhere from 23-28mpg depending on different factors!" I'm guessing the factors include they are only going downhill, with the wind, being towed by a moose ...
"towed by a moose"! Love it! The Expedition is one of the heavier Sport models, weighing significantly more than the shorter machines, but 23mpg seems optimistic to me.
@@mop1471 That's a good point. I read somewhere that the MXZ Sport 600 EFI gets 21 mpg (vs the 600 ACE 4-stroke at 28 mpg). That seems closer to being believable given the weight difference (198 kg vs 228 kg for the Expedition Sport).
However, given all the accessories Ski-Doo offers, I wouldn't be too surprised to find a moose harness. ;-)
well done...very thorough...quality video as always..!
Thanks!
Great review, just a question would you say it’s a good trail sled I am looking at this for my wife does not speed but wants something she can handle with easy. This would be our first ski doo as we have always rode cat but with only four dealers in Saskatchewan we are switching brands. Our riding will be done on trails in the forest and also might use it for retrieving game during hunting season. Just seeing what your thoughts are as you have had some good seat time on this machine. Thanks
I don't ride fast. On my own, on the trail, I might reach 75km/hr, but I'm usually riding between 50 and 60 km/hr. The Expedition is perfectly competent at these speeds. When I go out with a group riding significantly faster than this, the Expedition doesn't want to corner as fast as the sportier machines, but it has no trouble catching up on the straights. If someone wants to trail ride faster than an Expedition can handle, they probably shouldn't be doing it on a public trail.
The other side of the coin is the Expedition's off-trail performance: it's incredible! I went into the backcountry to harvest chaga with 5 other guys. The Expedition is the only machine that made it off the trail and into the forrest. I used it to make rounds and collect the harvested chaga from the other guys, who were now on foot. The thing didn't get stuck once. It would drop down and climb back up 10 foot gullies, plow through small gaps, and do it all while floating on top of waist-deep snow. The guys were always happy to see me coming, because it meant they could climb aboard and take a seat for a few minutes!
In my opinion, it's the best value in an all-around capability.
Make sure to choose your Lin-Q accessories carefully. If you're doing long trips, especially in the backcountry, I recommend the LinQ 14.5L Stackable Fuel Caddy in position 1 and the LinQ Deep Snow Pro Bag in position 2. You can even add an extra small bag on top of the Stackable Fuel Caddy if you need more storage space. Also, the ice scratchers are nice to have to keep the machine cool in low-snow conditions and on groomed trails.
My adventures with LinQ: ua-cam.com/video/jE1imoQvfyw/v-deo.html
Ice Scratcher Test: ua-cam.com/video/Rs1hykh4pYU/v-deo.html
Great videos and shout out from Azilda
What GPS software are you using?
Thanks! On my first trip through Azilda, I somehow made a wrong turn from the 31 onto the D!
The GPS is an old iPhone, and the software is the Go Snowmobiling Ontario official OFSC map App. App costs $4/year. It's not perfect, as evidenced by my wrong turn, but once I figured out how to make it work for me, it got me where I was going.
Here's the phone & map app going into the dash: ua-cam.com/video/qsRA-84wsU0/v-deo.html
About 15mpg for the US folks. Your welcome. What is shift RPM on the 85hp sport?
Yep, 15.3 mpg (US gallons) or 18.3mpg (Imperial gallons). Top Speed video has a graph of speed vs RPM which indicates full shift at 7,000 to 7,200rpm: ua-cam.com/video/KSwpiU9NYE4/v-deo.html
Is the 2 stroke engine quite a bit lighter ?
Yes, the 2-stroke is lighter than the 4-stroke. Also, the 4-stroke machines are 'wide body' style, which is probably heaver than the 2-stroke 'narrow body' also.
hi have you ever seen or heard of leaky gas lines on the 600efi; 1 person made this suggestion to me on FB when asking about this machine; they recommended another engine
I've not experienced any leaks nor heard of any from others. It is the first production year for this engine, and, to be honest, I'm surprised that it's been nearly flawless all season. The only 'imperfect' experience was that once, during over 1,200 kilometres of riding, I turned the key to put it in reverse and it stalled. (Started it back up, then turned the key again, and all was fine.)
Hey BRP, bring back manual Pull Start not just emergency rope, it can’t even start on -30° degrees up northern Quebec
I agree 100%. Having that pull cord available to me would make me feel much more confident when relying on the sled.
Make a video about rails scratchers for that sled
It’s on the list!
@@mop1471 thanks because I bought the skidoo BRP real scratchers they wouldn’t work for the 2021 sled maybe you can figure something out better than I can thanks
@@hansstordahl4322 I was planning to buy the BRP scratchers! Why didn’t they work for you?
@@mop1471 I would’ve had to remove the front bogey wheels or move forward a couple holes and I was told not to move them any more forward up I did try to mount them in the middle and they worked fine but the main track spring rod would hit when the transmission would bottom out sorry if it’s hard to explain really without showing you a video of it
@@hansstordahl4322 Just installed the Ski Doo Tunnel Ice Scratchers, p/no 960201279. First impressions are good. Sled was 70°C on the trail, then I deployed the scratchers and the temp dropped to 40°C. Review video coming soon, but in the mean time, here's the installation: ua-cam.com/video/7PkPPeE5xvI/v-deo.html
220 km is roughly 140 miles. thats pretty good. I get that with my 600 n 800 polaris and use about the same amount of oil.
The Ski-Doo 600R engine, which has 40 more horsepower, is supposed to get better fuel economy. I'd love to test a Backcountry Sport 600 EFI alongside a Backcountry 600R!
Здравствуйте! Скажите пожалуйста а что у него за проблема с блоком управления на модели 2020 года?
This one’s a 2021, and it was an all new engine for that year, so I don’t have knowledge of the 2020 models.
Thanks for the videos. In your opinion would the 600 etec be worth the xtra cost in this machine. I'm looking to purchase one as an all around family machine.
Great question. First of all, on the Expedition Sport, engine options are: 600EFI (85hp, 2-stroke), 600ACE (60hp 4-stroke) and 900ACE (95hp 4-stroke.) If you want an Expedition with a 600 Etec, you’ll have to step up to the Expedition LE. Here in Canada, the Sport 600EFI is priced at $10,649 while the LE starts at $15,199 - that’s quite a price jump! I’m sure there are other upgrades on the LE too, but you asked about engines…
So, the question is whether the 600 Etec is worth a nearly 50% price jump. No, no it’s not. Not unless you really need that extra horsepower for reasons I can’t imagine.
With the 600EFI, my Expedition accelerates hard enough to wheelie, reaches nearly 140km/hr (80mph), devours deep snow, can be pulled up on its edge and climbs any hill you point it at. I’ve never pinned the throttle and thought it could use more power, not even once.
If you’re planning to tow really heavy loads long distances, then maybe the 900ACE would be something to think about. The 4-stroke engines are also quieter and there’s no oil odour, which may be advantageous as a recreational family sled. But, in my experience, 4-strokes are a bit less exciting than the lighter, peppier 2-strokes.
I’m sure an Expedition LE with a 600 Etec would be an amazing machine with an experienced rider. My other sled has the 600 Rave engine (120hp, predecessor to the 600 Etec) and it’s a bit faster crossing lakes than my Expedition, but I almost never use the additional power. Personally, I honestly have no need for more power than the 600EFI offers and certainly couldn’t justify the price jump for the Etec engine.
Sure, my buddies with 800s and 850s get across the lake a few seconds before I do, but if we leave the trail or encounter deep snow, the Expedition 600EFI leads the way every time.
@@mop1471 thank you for the response. I think the 600 efi will be just fine considering the price jump!
1-year review video has some nice shots of the Expedition Sport performing well, and covers the only deficiency I've found in the 'Sport' trim: ua-cam.com/video/nQHGHac7cmQ/v-deo.html
Awesome video
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@mop1471 you find yours tippy? And steering dosnt steer real well?
@@Gendronk I have two machines, an '02 Grand Touring 600 (pre rider forward) and the Expedition. The GT is like a sleigh, in that you feel like you're sitting on the ground. This Expedition feels tall and narrow, so at first, I thought if felt tippy. Now that I have ~700kms under my belt, I realize that it's well designed with a low centre of gravity. It's still more 'tippy' than the GT, but with the rider forward design, you have the ability to easily shift your weight to counteract. It's also easier to get it up on edge, then you have phenomenal maneuverability.
As far as steering goes, it doesn't seem to steer as well as a trail or sport machine on a groomed trail, due to the long track. But I wouldn't trade the off-trail traction for more cornering speed. (It's not like it can't keep up on the trails, I'm just leaning in to the curves more than my buddies on their trail machines.)
@@mop1471 I'm going to. Make a few suspension adjustments to the wife's try and get some more ski pressure and after that I think I'll stick some doolys on it we also did the screw in studs on her track.
@@Gendronk let us know how it goes!
Well done.
How many kilometers do you have to drive to "break in".
The break-in is computer controlled. I think it lasted about 600 or 700kms. During break-in, the engine gets extra oil (so it doesn't have full power) and you're not supposed to run it at a constant throttle for too long: pinning the throttle for a few seconds is fine, but don't run WOT all the way across a long lake, for example.
@@mop1471 Okey. You sure that EFI have break in? I tought it was the Etecs engines that have that. (what I heard..)
Yes, the dashboard display indicates break-in % complete on startup, until break-in is done. User manual states that extra oil is provided during break-in and that full performance is achieved once complete. In line with this, top speed during break-in was about 110kph, while it achieved nearly 140kph after break-in.
I hope Algonquin fixed that switch under warranty 😜
They did, but they did even better than that: they did it while I waited! Awesome service from Algonquin Equipment!
You need to do miles too for your US viewers. Keep up the good work.
Check the comments! I did the conversion into MPG (US) and MPG (Imperial)! From memory, I think it was 15.3MPG in US gallons, and 18.3 in Imperial gallons.
Its a ski-doo its expected to have even better gas mileage then the rest of the compeition
I'm not sure what kind of fuel economy other brands' competing sleds would achieve on this loop. When riding with buddies, this Expedition always uses less fuel than their machines, but usually not by much.
@@mop1471 ski-doo they always have been better on fuel economy then the rest of the competition polaris arctic cat yamaha
you need to speak USA aka MPG lol
For my American friends: 15.3mpg (US Gallon).
For my British friends: 18.3mpg (Imperial Gallon).
Shopping for my first new car, many decades ago, in Canada: One of the salesmen kept going on about how the car he was selling had way better MPG than his competitor's car. It didn't make sense to me, because both cars were about the same size, about the same horsepower and about the same weight. I went home and did the math: he was giving me the MPG in Imperial gallons for his car, but MPG in smaller US gallons for the competitor's car, making his car look artificially better. Since then, I only talk fuel consumption in unambiguous L/100km. And I didn't buy from that guy.
Use google to convert it
I dislike the computer voice, you’ve done well narrating your other videos
Yes User:Karl. I will select a more appropriate voice in the future, user. Beep boop.