Who said that ? Suadi arab guy ? In fact poetry music sculpture and building was more advance in islamic times,asking for example ? Read Al-Mutanabbi,U can even search and try to look for Poetry in caliphates times.
He said Islam corrupted poetry and stopped the poets expressing themselves freely, but then he said, no poets actually adhered to the Quran and they went on expressing themselves freely!! what is he trying to say?
No, he said all GREAT poets never adhered to the Quran. As for all the infinite mainstream poets of whom no one was remembered, they had all been corrupted
@@atharbarghouthi9649 This guy in the video is lying, he does not know that poets were so astonished by the quran that they bowed down to it and accepted it
The literary value of pre-islamic poetry is undisputed, but to call it existential...?! Their subjects were. boasting of their tribes, condemning other tribes, love, companionship, and describing life in the desert. Arabic poetry never really moved away from those circles, with a few additions such as religious poetry. It is only in Arabic prose that we find more complex subjects. I personally prefer Almaari's Epistle of Forgiveness to any poetry he ever wrote.
***** No pre-Arab poetry from the Arabic peninsula has survived, nor do we know of its existence. What is know about pre-Arabic languages in the Arabic peninsula is very rare because writing was not yet spread in the area.
He seems to be using the word existential to mean non-spiritual/non-religious subjects - i.e. poetry that discusses earthly/worldly concerns and everyday human existence including topics that are understood as taboo by religion.
Fortunately (for us readers) pre-Islamic poetry is not unknown for curious international readers... Personally, I met it as a teenager, in some nice Spanish translations, and yep, it’s so much better than Islamic poetry! I think it’s interesting to note that Adonis’s accusation boils down to the fact that Islam condemned Arabic poetry to be just romantic poetry... I’ve always, since I wrote all the teenage romanticism out of me with my first two books (which, by sheer luck and lack of quality were read only by a couple of friends and are well lost and forgotten), thought that Romanticism is one of the worst heart diseases you can contract if you want to write good poetry.
Anywhere in the world, the best pieces of art and literature are from people of Abrahamic faith. It is not true that Islam made to end what you claim ended. Just as the Roman Catholics the likes of Da Vinci or Dante Alighieri repurposed Roman pagan arts and knowledge into pieces like The Last Supper or The Divine Comedy, Muhammad through Divine Inspiration repurposed Arab poetry into the most unique book that has ever existed. Arab poetry maybe can cross deserts, but the Qur'an can pierce into even the most hardened hearts of people from every nation, color, religious background, income class and profession - from The Far East to the Americas and from Scandinavia to South Africa. This is coming from a guy who left Islam, stayed an atheist for 7 years, realized that atheism is paganism and then came back thanks to the beauty of the Qur'an.
@@julioreija8052 What do you mean by paganism? There's indigenous cultures with monistic, pantheistic and monotheistic views about God, which are even more genuine and closer to what the inherent human nature. Polytheism is the same as organized political religion. You make a statue of someone, next thing you deify a priest or a religious leader. What Christian writers classified as paganism could be religions which are not at all polytheistic. The sources about the pre-Christian beliefs in Europe come from the Church, so their views are biased, they used to classify even Islam and Judaism, which are much more monotheistic than trinitarianism, as pagan religions. According to Islam, every people received the same divine message. We believe that Buddha, Zoroaster, Lao Tzu, Krishna, etc could've been a prophet just like Muhammad, Jesus and Moses. We believe the native American religions which believe in the Great Spirit, are inheritors of the same divine message that came across the globe in different times. So it's not true that we hate our neighbors; Islam is an inherently universalist religion. Muslims could be sectarian, but the Qur'an prohibits sectarianism.
@@julioreija8052 Plus almost all ancient pagan societies degenerated into child sacrifice. The story of Abraham seeing a dream where he sacrifices his son, and then the son get's replaced by something else (in the Qur'an it doesn't say that a sheep went down; animal sacrifice is not Qur'anic, it is allowed to eat animals and you must pronounce the name of God when killing an animal but only as a sign of gratitude and humility, not as an "offering" to Allah. The Qur'anic message behind the vision of Abraham is that in his subconscious he was still suffering the pagan practices which he saw in his birthplace; Ur, Mesopotamia. Whilst being a monotheist, he still had some hidden inclinations towards the old practices and beliefs. The vision indicates the evolution he experienced - that religious evolution is a psychological tool which helps the process of individuation and enlightens the one who is on a spiritual journey. Today archeology has found bones of young boys which died as a result of child sacrifice. The story in the Qur'an matches the archeological evidence, and it matches the idea that humans went through deep psychic stages of evolution.
@@DarioHaruni No, not that fallacy again about children sacrifices!! That has been quite debunked by historians and excavations. Remember that, as you well said, the winners’ religions rewrote a lot of history...
@@DarioHaruni Yep, you are right: I should have specified I was thinking about pantheism... I know that Islam says that there’s nothing divine in humans, nothing divine but the “only and inimitable” Allah, but what can I say: poetry has shown me that everything is glorious and divine. But I didn’t say that Islamic people hate their neighbours. Sectarianism, xenophobia and mistrusting who is different from us are part of the evolutionarily necessary (in the wild past) negativity bias and the stranger-danger bias. Good spirituality and good poetry tend to fight those deeply-wired biases. However, talking about that, if I remember correctly, in the 9th sura of your sacred book it’s written that those pesky and dirty infidels are that way because Allah created them that way, giving them hearts as hard and stupid as rocks, which doesn’t leave a lot of room to love them, and a very good excuse to destroy them... And if all good poetry is enclosed in the Qu’ran, doesn’t that imply that human creativity in the writing field is finished and condemned? Free thinking is not possible if all that’s worthy to be said has already been said... The bible (which’s name I can write without a capital letter without offending anybody, not like with the Qu’ran) was supposed for a very long time to be the beginning and the end of all possible knowledge (does that sound familiar?), but gladly free thinking and theories subject to falsifiability prevailed. Also, do you remember that fatwa that forbade philosophy around the XIV century in all the Islamic world? Fortunately, in Europe philosophy and science won that war against the Christian churches. What could have been of the Islamic culture if its people could have followed the enlighten work of Al-Kindi, Al Farabi, Averroes (a nice Spaniard, like me 😜) , Avicenna, Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, Ibn Sina... or scientists as Al-Dinawary...? And there were so many more... It’s a pity that a rigid theology killed all that. I love those guys: they gave a lot to the world. Unfortunately, Al-Ghazali‘s theories won in Islam, discouraging philosophy and science (since “Allah’s hand is not chained”, what good could do to a good Muslim trying to discover the laws of nature?, they could change with a snap of that unchained hand). Sorry for the length, but it’s a very interesting dialogue. See ya 👋🏽
But what about the mystic poetry or surrealist one, what about 1001 nights being the epitome of all literature? I think Islam only enhanced the imaginative world and universalism in poetry. Because poetry should transmit the truth and unravel the layers of human mind and nafs. These poets were exactly the ones whose topic such as erotism, society issues, politics, nature, love etc used in their poems to look for the divine traces. Such as couplet makers, rumi, hafiz, zakani, nizar qabani, igbal etc etc.
really? thats y many of these poets who try to destroy the Quran on Poetry? THey won right?? No; they lost and either began to become crazy hermits or Converted into Islam then refined Arabic poetry to be more thoughtful.
M Rana you’re not even Arab lmao get outta here ajam. You people don’t even understand what’s written in the Quran let alone where it stands in Arabic literature.
@Amir Khan "sure" it has nothing to do with political events of their time just: I believe vs you believe their was no other factors that where clear that peots & bureaucrats could collaborate & backstab each that's not the case "sure"
Pre Islamic poetry is beautiful but it’s not even worth dirt they teach so much wrong and disgusting things you can’t compare that to the Holy Quran Alhamdulilah! This guy is clueless.
@@cosmicocean2868 Yeah true they at the top. But after islam we had many great poets. And do you know without islam we would not have recorded the poems? So that stupid guy won't even know how his language 1400 years ago looked like. He would study and wriite his own dialect instead of Clasical Arabic.
@@kareemtheeb1478 your deduction is false, if your religion didnt exist, then you can be friends with romans and persians like the ghassanids and get lot of paper papyri animal skin and ink...but you chose destruction, you killed people and you yourself became cursed and got killed later and still getting killed, in contrast buddhist countries like japan, south korea, thailand, vietnam, srilanka, are better for human development
@@cosmicocean2868 The Romans and Persians attacked us first. Romans destroyed the Arab Nabateans and Attacked them and Persians attacked the Arab Lakhmids. So yeah we took our revenge.
@@kareemtheeb1478 you did not take any revenge, you are just robbers with no shame, rom ans were supported by ghas sanids and per sians by lakhmids, both of them did not like idiots from south, that is why ali's brother was ki lled by combined ro man gha ssanid forces in battle of mu'tah.... you are liars and worthless pieces of shits *spit*
you can search about "The Muʻallaqāt" these were considered the best of the best in the pre Islamic era. they are 10 poems and were written by the greatest 10 poets in Arabic history.
Unbelievable poetry, u connot imagine how nice is . But it is very difficult linguistically. You can search the mist famous pre Islamic poems called Moaalaqt : belong to the poets names like : Imruu el qays : the most famous . Zoheir bin abi salma Tarfa ibn el abd. Antara bin shaddad ... But the great Arabian poet along the hitstory is Almutanabbi from the 10 century (after islam)
The hard line interpretations of orthodoxy killed creativity as can be seen in the increase of orthodoxy and decline of creativity in the Islamic world since the likes of al-Ghazali and even worse, Ibn Taymiyyah, THE LATTER EVEN AGAINST LOGIC BECAUSE IT WAS GREEK IN ORIGIN! Orthodoxy corrupted poetry not religion per se. Hafez, Rumi, Sa'di, Bedil Aziimabadi etc. (Persian) and Farzadaq, Abul Hasan at-Tihaami, Mutannabi , even Ma'arrai etc (Arabic), and despite Ma'arri's cynicism, or Meer, Ghalib, Anees, Dabeer etc.(Urdu) did not destroy poetry but added to it!
@@gymrat5014 No out prophet was driven out of his home and was persecuted. There was no freedom of speech in the 7th century. I advise you to seriously to learn about Muhammed(SAW) and history. May Allah guide you ameen
There were no such a thing.all are fake.the great critic taha hosain wrote a book about pre-islamic poetry and he discovered that arabs left no poetry at all all were produced a long time after mohamed died.even arabic was at it s infancy and it was a mixture of syriac and Hebrew languages.
Writing was not very popular in pre-islamic arabia, according to the shortage of written documents in archeology. Not even buildings with something written on, and even the first muslim leaders were illitterate.
Abdeljabbar Affane there are many inscriptions in Arabia that dated back to pre Islamic era which contains texts that are very close and similar to الشعر الجاهلي so Taha claims are not scientific at all... many linguists and archeologists would disagree with that
It's weird to see such absurd claims about Islam! The prophet of Islam himself used to have a preferred poet! Besides, Most of the most well known poets came after the advent of Islam! Arabs after Islam used to have poetic competitions where poets used to show their poetic skills!
@@imperator692 blasphemy is a right Muhammad exercised by criticizing Pagan Gods, and all Arabs of his time ever did was make fun of him...until he incited his followers to Rebel. They banished him They were far more merciful than any of what came after Islam. Islam killed Arab culture and the other great cultures of the Middle East and North Africa
Adonis is saying pre-Islam poetry was about all aspects of daily life--it was essential. This is not true of post-Islam. I agree. You're right the prophet had a poet, Hassan ben Thabet, but the role is different now: poetry becomes limited to emotions: praise, propaganda, etc. This is exactly Adonis' point; and, again I agree.
Imagine: no music, no picture and no poetry without a free and honest expression. What a limited and colorless world.
Who said that ? Suadi arab guy ? In fact poetry music sculpture and building was more advance in islamic times,asking for example ? Read Al-Mutanabbi,U can even search and try to look for Poetry in caliphates times.
He said Islam corrupted poetry and stopped the poets expressing themselves freely, but then he said, no poets actually adhered to the Quran and they went on expressing themselves freely!!
what is he trying to say?
that ur religion is garbage
No, he said all GREAT poets never adhered to the Quran. As for all the infinite mainstream poets of whom no one was remembered, they had all been corrupted
He is Alawite, and they have a bone to pick with Islam and Muslims. French armed them and left, that is why Syria is a mess. What you expect!
@@atharbarghouthi9649 This guy in the video is lying, he does not know that poets were so astonished by the quran that they bowed down to it and accepted it
@Frank C. Miller You know I am dating your mom, Don't be mad son!
The literary value of pre-islamic poetry is undisputed, but to call it existential...?! Their subjects were. boasting of their tribes, condemning other tribes, love, companionship, and describing life in the desert. Arabic poetry never really moved away from those circles, with a few additions such as religious poetry.
It is only in Arabic prose that we find more complex subjects. I personally prefer Almaari's Epistle of Forgiveness to any poetry he ever wrote.
***** No pre-Arab poetry from the Arabic peninsula has survived, nor do we know of its existence. What is know about pre-Arabic languages in the Arabic peninsula is very rare because writing was not yet spread in the area.
***** Who said anything about Syria? He's talking about pre-Islamic Arab poets. Please watch the video.
He seems to be using the word existential to mean non-spiritual/non-religious subjects - i.e. poetry that discusses earthly/worldly concerns and everyday human existence including topics that are understood as taboo by religion.
Cheers to uncle Adonis 📚🫶
Fortunately (for us readers) pre-Islamic poetry is not unknown for curious international readers...
Personally, I met it as a teenager, in some nice Spanish translations, and yep, it’s so much better than Islamic poetry!
I think it’s interesting to note that Adonis’s accusation boils down to the fact that Islam condemned Arabic poetry to be just romantic poetry...
I’ve always, since I wrote all the teenage romanticism out of me with my first two books (which, by sheer luck and lack of quality were read only by a couple of friends and are well lost and forgotten), thought that Romanticism is one of the worst heart diseases you can contract if you want to write good poetry.
Anywhere in the world, the best pieces of art and literature are from people of Abrahamic faith. It is not true that Islam made to end what you claim ended. Just as the Roman Catholics the likes of Da Vinci or Dante Alighieri repurposed Roman pagan arts and knowledge into pieces like The Last Supper or The Divine Comedy, Muhammad through Divine Inspiration repurposed Arab poetry into the most unique book that has ever existed. Arab poetry maybe can cross deserts, but the Qur'an can pierce into even the most hardened hearts of people from every nation, color, religious background, income class and profession - from The Far East to the Americas and from Scandinavia to South Africa.
This is coming from a guy who left Islam, stayed an atheist for 7 years, realized that atheism is paganism and then came back thanks to the beauty of the Qur'an.
Paganism is much more human-friendly than any monotheism... I strongly recommend it, if you prefer to love your neighbours, rather than hating them.
@@julioreija8052 What do you mean by paganism? There's indigenous cultures with monistic, pantheistic and monotheistic views about God, which are even more genuine and closer to what the inherent human nature. Polytheism is the same as organized political religion. You make a statue of someone, next thing you deify a priest or a religious leader.
What Christian writers classified as paganism could be religions which are not at all polytheistic. The sources about the pre-Christian beliefs in Europe come from the Church, so their views are biased, they used to classify even Islam and Judaism, which are much more monotheistic than trinitarianism, as pagan religions.
According to Islam, every people received the same divine message. We believe that Buddha, Zoroaster, Lao Tzu, Krishna, etc could've been a prophet just like Muhammad, Jesus and Moses. We believe the native American religions which believe in the Great Spirit, are inheritors of the same divine message that came across the globe in different times. So it's not true that we hate our neighbors; Islam is an inherently universalist religion. Muslims could be sectarian, but the Qur'an prohibits sectarianism.
@@julioreija8052 Plus almost all ancient pagan societies degenerated into child sacrifice. The story of Abraham seeing a dream where he sacrifices his son, and then the son get's replaced by something else (in the Qur'an it doesn't say that a sheep went down; animal sacrifice is not Qur'anic, it is allowed to eat animals and you must pronounce the name of God when killing an animal but only as a sign of gratitude and humility, not as an "offering" to Allah.
The Qur'anic message behind the vision of Abraham is that in his subconscious he was still suffering the pagan practices which he saw in his birthplace; Ur, Mesopotamia. Whilst being a monotheist, he still had some hidden inclinations towards the old practices and beliefs. The vision indicates the evolution he experienced - that religious evolution is a psychological tool which helps the process of individuation and enlightens the one who is on a spiritual journey.
Today archeology has found bones of young boys which died as a result of child sacrifice. The story in the Qur'an matches the archeological evidence, and it matches the idea that humans went through deep psychic stages of evolution.
@@DarioHaruni No, not that fallacy again about children sacrifices!! That has been quite debunked by historians and excavations. Remember that, as you well said, the winners’ religions rewrote a lot of history...
@@DarioHaruni Yep, you are right: I should have specified I was thinking about pantheism... I know that Islam says that there’s nothing divine in humans, nothing divine but the “only and inimitable” Allah, but what can I say: poetry has shown me that everything is glorious and divine.
But I didn’t say that Islamic people hate their neighbours. Sectarianism, xenophobia and mistrusting who is different from us are part of the evolutionarily necessary (in the wild past) negativity bias and the stranger-danger bias. Good spirituality and good poetry tend to fight those deeply-wired biases.
However, talking about that, if I remember correctly, in the 9th sura of your sacred book it’s written that those pesky and dirty infidels are that way because Allah created them that way, giving them hearts as hard and stupid as rocks, which doesn’t leave a lot of room to love them, and a very good excuse to destroy them...
And if all good poetry is enclosed in the Qu’ran, doesn’t that imply that human creativity in the writing field is finished and condemned? Free thinking is not possible if all that’s worthy to be said has already been said... The bible (which’s name I can write without a capital letter without offending anybody, not like with the Qu’ran) was supposed for a very long time to be the beginning and the end of all possible knowledge (does that sound familiar?), but gladly free thinking and theories subject to falsifiability prevailed.
Also, do you remember that fatwa that forbade philosophy around the XIV century in all the Islamic world? Fortunately, in Europe philosophy and science won that war against the Christian churches. What could have been of the Islamic culture if its people could have followed the enlighten work of Al-Kindi, Al Farabi, Averroes (a nice Spaniard, like me 😜) , Avicenna, Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, Ibn Sina... or scientists as Al-Dinawary...? And there were so many more... It’s a pity that a rigid theology killed all that. I love those guys: they gave a lot to the world.
Unfortunately, Al-Ghazali‘s theories won in Islam, discouraging philosophy and science (since “Allah’s hand is not chained”, what good could do to a good Muslim trying to discover the laws of nature?, they could change with a snap of that unchained hand).
Sorry for the length, but it’s a very interesting dialogue. See ya 👋🏽
But what about the mystic poetry or surrealist one, what about 1001 nights being the epitome of all literature? I think Islam only enhanced the imaginative world and universalism in poetry. Because poetry should transmit the truth and unravel the layers of human mind and nafs. These poets were exactly the ones whose topic such as erotism, society issues, politics, nature, love etc used in their poems to look for the divine traces. Such as couplet makers, rumi, hafiz, zakani, nizar qabani, igbal etc etc.
Just seething atheists
really? thats y many of these poets who try to destroy the Quran on Poetry? THey won right?? No; they lost and either began to become crazy hermits or Converted into Islam then refined Arabic poetry to be more thoughtful.
TazKidNoah Mutannabis prose far surpasses the work of the Quran.
M Rana you’re not even Arab lmao get outta here ajam. You people don’t even understand what’s written in the Quran let alone where it stands in Arabic literature.
@@trueorient1544 LMAO you killed me, the Qur'an literally challenged all the Arab poets to outdo it in its linguistic mastery yet none could
@Amir Khan
"sure" it has nothing to do with political events of their time just:
I believe vs you believe
their was no other factors that where clear that peots & bureaucrats could collaborate & backstab each that's not the case "sure"
Pre Islamic poetry is beautiful but it’s not even worth dirt they teach so much wrong and disgusting things you can’t compare that to the Holy Quran Alhamdulilah! This guy is clueless.
Al mutanabi is better than any other.
He came well after islam.
Imruu el qays : the most famous .
Zoheir bin abi salma
Tarfa ibn el abd.
Antara bin shaddad all came before islam
@@cosmicocean2868
Yeah true they at the top.
But after islam we had many great poets.
And do you know without islam we would not have recorded the poems?
So that stupid guy won't even know how his language 1400 years ago looked like.
He would study and wriite his own dialect instead of Clasical Arabic.
@@kareemtheeb1478 your deduction is false, if your religion didnt exist, then you can be friends with romans and persians like the ghassanids and get lot of paper papyri animal skin and ink...but you chose destruction, you killed people and you yourself became cursed and got killed later and still getting killed, in contrast buddhist countries like japan, south korea, thailand, vietnam, srilanka, are better for human development
@@cosmicocean2868
The Romans and Persians attacked us first.
Romans destroyed the Arab Nabateans and Attacked them and Persians attacked the Arab Lakhmids.
So yeah we took our revenge.
@@kareemtheeb1478 you did not take any revenge, you are just robbers with no shame, rom ans were supported by ghas sanids and per sians by lakhmids, both of them did not like idiots from south, that is why ali's brother was ki lled by combined ro man gha ssanid forces in battle of mu'tah.... you are liars and worthless pieces of shits *spit*
I agree with him, Islam was like the Bolsheviks in Russia, they ruined the Russian arts in the Tzars' dynasty.
Apart from Pushkin, the greatest poets in the Russian language all lived during the Soviet era.
...and did all of those poets living in soviet era really support bolshevism?
Islam didn't ruin anything
Do you even have basic knowledge about Arabic literature post Islam??!!
Dont cry
can anyone refer to me pre islamic poets that he speaks of?
Jordan Torres. Imrul Kayes was a great one of pre islamic era
His grandma and grandpa are great candidates.
you can search about "The Muʻallaqāt" these were considered the best of the best in the pre Islamic era. they are 10 poems and were written by the greatest 10 poets in Arabic history.
Unbelievable poetry, u connot imagine how nice is . But it is very difficult linguistically.
You can search the mist famous pre Islamic poems called Moaalaqt : belong to the poets names like :
Imruu el qays : the most famous .
Zoheir bin abi salma
Tarfa ibn el abd.
Antara bin shaddad
...
But the great Arabian poet along the hitstory is Almutanabbi from the 10 century (after islam)
Adunis: the insight of a Genius, the true Poet...
lol, I wonder if you can speak Arabic.
The hard line interpretations of orthodoxy killed creativity as can be seen in the increase of orthodoxy and decline of creativity in the Islamic world since the likes of al-Ghazali and even worse, Ibn Taymiyyah, THE LATTER EVEN AGAINST LOGIC BECAUSE IT WAS GREEK IN ORIGIN!
Orthodoxy corrupted poetry not religion per se. Hafez, Rumi, Sa'di, Bedil Aziimabadi etc. (Persian) and Farzadaq, Abul Hasan at-Tihaami, Mutannabi , even Ma'arrai etc (Arabic), and despite Ma'arri's cynicism, or Meer, Ghalib, Anees, Dabeer etc.(Urdu) did not destroy poetry but added to it!
Another idiot claim al ghazali Destroying islamic philosiphy,this myth been debunked many times yet people still believe it
Very impressive argument 👍
If you wanna see how merciful is Islam look how many times tried to kill this poet cause he talked about Islam lol
The comments confirm what I figured: Guy doesnt really know what he is a talking about :/
Lmao, of course this guy would say that, he believes in the "gods" of jahiliyyah. He wants to drag us back into paganism and ignorance.
He expresses his freedom of speech just like your filthy prophet did back in the 7th century
@@gymrat5014 No out prophet was driven out of his home and was persecuted. There was no freedom of speech in the 7th century. I advise you to seriously to learn about Muhammed(SAW) and history. May Allah guide you ameen
Great guy.
There were no such a thing.all are fake.the great critic taha hosain wrote a book about pre-islamic poetry and he discovered that arabs left no poetry at all all were produced a long time after mohamed died.even arabic was at it s infancy and it was a mixture of syriac and Hebrew languages.
Writing was not very popular in pre-islamic arabia, according to the shortage of written documents in archeology. Not even buildings with something written on, and even the first muslim leaders were illitterate.
Abdeljabbar Affane there are many inscriptions in Arabia that dated back to pre Islamic era which contains texts that are very close and similar to الشعر الجاهلي so Taha claims are not scientific at all... many linguists and archeologists would disagree with that
the koran itself is a fake book .... many kurans burned by uthman.... :D
It's weird to see such absurd claims about Islam! The prophet of Islam himself used to have a preferred poet! Besides, Most of the most well known poets came after the advent of Islam! Arabs after Islam used to have poetic competitions where poets used to show their poetic skills!
he put many freethinkers to death, poetry cannot exist under dictatorship, it needs freedom and fresh air, spit on your prophet
@@cosmicocean2868 By "freethinkers" you mean hedonistic criminal blasphemers
@@imperator692 blasphemy is a right Muhammad exercised by criticizing Pagan Gods, and all Arabs of his time ever did was make fun of him...until he incited his followers to Rebel. They banished him
They were far more merciful than any of what came after Islam.
Islam killed Arab culture and the other great cultures of the Middle East and North Africa
Adonis is saying pre-Islam poetry was about all aspects of daily life--it was essential. This is not true of post-Islam. I agree. You're right the prophet had a poet, Hassan ben Thabet, but the role is different now: poetry becomes limited to emotions: praise, propaganda, etc. This is exactly Adonis' point; and, again I agree.
Huh
هذا ملحد
What a joke
هذا ملحد
و انت مالك؟