Piston and valve interaction Get a personal and inside look at what the valve and piston are doing.

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  • @SalterRacingEngines
    @SalterRacingEngines  Місяць тому +40

    HEY EVERYBODY SOMEBODY POINTED OUT MY FLAG IS BACKWARDS AND I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THE REASON IT'S THAT WAY IS BECAUSE THAT DOOR HAS A GIANT WINDOW THAT FACES THE MAIN ROAD SO IT'S TURNED THAT WAY SO IT WON'T BE BACKWARDS TO THE PUBLIC.
    BUT I'M GLAD THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT KNOW THAT ABOUT OUR FLAG.

    • @thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259
      @thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 Місяць тому +4

      There's no backside of our flag as far as I'm concerned.

    • @ChrisS-oo6fl
      @ChrisS-oo6fl Місяць тому +2

      The irony of people stressing about it while also (typically) hanging an American flag manufactured overseas with materials, eyelets and dyes from the same locations like China, Vietnam, India, Twain…etc. Then, hanging them with imported hardware, materials and mounting brackets. Worse yet, they wear American flag swag manufactured overseas. Some wear “all over print” American flag underwear and shirts or support that black flag with a blue stripe across it which are essentially desecrated versions of the flag.
      Anyway, thanks for this video. The visualization was extremely helpful for multiple reasons besides just demonstrating the concept of tapering the brow. These types of informative videos are appreciated and we are great full for the time and effort it takes to produce them.

    • @Twogreenfeet
      @Twogreenfeet Місяць тому +1

      Noticed your hoodies looked great horizontal but not vertical a few videos ago. Thanks for being a true American and caring!

  • @johnelliott4521
    @johnelliott4521 25 днів тому +3

    Increased flow decreased chance of detotonation WIN WIN

  • @malcolmshaw2609
    @malcolmshaw2609 14 днів тому +1

    Many thanks for doing this. The physical representation of what’s happening in the cylinder is a fantastic eye opener 😮

  • @alexgillies4183
    @alexgillies4183 Місяць тому +18

    Thanks for taking the time to set up that demo, it was nice to actually see how close the valve was getting at different positions! You may have saved a few guys from "kissing pistons".

  • @williamstel9330
    @williamstel9330 29 днів тому +3

    Brian I can see that there is a lot of details involved building a great racing engine, and a great cam has a certain amount to being able to win and details have a really large part to finishing. Thank you thank you for your willingness to open up on your many years of valuable experience.

  • @guyst-pierre9259
    @guyst-pierre9259 Місяць тому +15

    Please stop wasting your time and energy arguing stupid keyboard warriors leaving comments... You are giving awesome information and share years of experience, don't worry about the dumbasses, they don't deserve any of your precious time. Thanks for your dedication educating us gearheads to help us build better engines. French Canadian here watching from the north shore of Lake Champlain, 5 miles of the border at the line separating Vermont from New York... ⚜️🇨🇦

    • @TimothyArnott-m7z
      @TimothyArnott-m7z Місяць тому +3

      I cudnt agree with you more......I was gonna send a comment sayin same...BRIAN, SOFA WARRIORS DONT do a thing but aggeivate us that DO know!!!!....yea, its gonna hurt cyl flow.....UGH!!

  • @ajforms4818
    @ajforms4818 26 днів тому +2

    Excellent video.

  • @claytonclester1762
    @claytonclester1762 7 днів тому +1

    Appreciatte you taking the time to answer my camshaft questions today. Thanks again!!

  • @johngeddes7894
    @johngeddes7894 22 дні тому +1

    Incredible resource offered for free. Thank you!

  • @rogerpatton-zr7qd
    @rogerpatton-zr7qd Місяць тому +2

    The quench is improved with the eye brow opened up. An better control of the burn for increased power

  • @rolandotillit2867
    @rolandotillit2867 Місяць тому +4

    Showing us how the valve and valve seat form the venturi nozzle makes things much clearer!

  • @BruceRichards-l5u
    @BruceRichards-l5u Місяць тому +4

    Wow, you are the first machinist that agrees with me about .040" piston to cyl head with a steel rod. I check my valve to piston the same way you are showing in the video. I'm just an old retired guy that put together a few good engines. Thanks so much for the great videos.

  • @aquapneumatics
    @aquapneumatics 27 днів тому +2

    Not a waste of time! Attention to detail matters! Thank you for your schooling!

  • @Adrenacyde
    @Adrenacyde Місяць тому +7

    10K is quickly approaching.
    With content like THIS, it'll be in the rearview in short order.
    Take care.

  • @pontiac411
    @pontiac411 Місяць тому +9

    Good display by the way. As a visual learner it helps a lot to see what I am hearing.

  • @RussellCompton-fh3gr
    @RussellCompton-fh3gr Місяць тому +5

    dude one of the best demos ive seen,,,,thanks a ton

  • @VGHCX
    @VGHCX Місяць тому +3

    Nice setup you have there. You can actually see the valve to piston relationship for the given cam profile. Keep these good videos coming.

  • @cs2-llc
    @cs2-llc Місяць тому +7

    Incredible content Brian. Thanks so much and congrats on a strong showing on the cam challenge! This is the stuff NO ONE ever shares.

  • @goldsgarage8236
    @goldsgarage8236 Місяць тому +8

    Great video Brian. I hope your viewers appreciate the work required to create the awesome illustrations and organize the data to enable you to make your points. I am an engine builder, and I learned a lot. .040" is also my minimum PTV clearance. 200 plus hours to build a race engine, most people don't appreciate the time it takes to pay attention to details like this, but that is the difference between winning and losing. AG

  • @jeffwooton7138
    @jeffwooton7138 29 днів тому

    Another insightful video. I have a dirt car with very restrictive rules. All these tricks will come in handy. Please keep them up.

  • @chevyrc3623
    @chevyrc3623 Місяць тому +6

    That valve desrouding thing you did to the piston is a very cool idea i will try to do that to my engine next time because in our 2 barrel application i think every little bit of detail matters and every little things help and once all those little things combined can gain quite a bit so again thank you for sharing your details

  • @jarlnieminen4307
    @jarlnieminen4307 Місяць тому +4

    I already understood this very well but that demonstration was great.

  • @poisnd1
    @poisnd1 Місяць тому +2

    Wow, killer display, brings to light the importance of timing/build setups

  • @chriszucker7500
    @chriszucker7500 Місяць тому +2

    Excellent demonstration and explanation. The visual setup exceeded my expectations. Your students have an amazing opportunity learning from you!

  • @andrewburlock2653
    @andrewburlock2653 Місяць тому +1

    Hi. Thanks for the demo. I didn't realize that the piston was (or could be) so close to the piston for so long. It really does show how important the valve relief modification is. Andrew

  • @No1414body
    @No1414body Місяць тому +4

    Great information Brian, I noticed that you didn't have the 045 clearance at TDC b but point well taken. Could n really see it at 10 degrees ATDC it is hard to get flow across the short side at low lifts

  • @barryfoster6265
    @barryfoster6265 Місяць тому +4

    I want to say this is the first time I seen the head split so I could see everything going on……. I think that was cool as sh!t!!! And damn that’s CLOSE…… probably could squeeze a dang hair in there. Awesome video

  • @Jack-n1u5j
    @Jack-n1u5j Місяць тому +1

    Thank you for sharing our experience and knowledge. Makes so much sense. Thankyou peace

  • @realazliving
    @realazliving Місяць тому +4

    Thanks Brian. Great explanation.

  • @jarebb1
    @jarebb1 Місяць тому +7

    I’ve been waiting for some more Salter Racing tips n tricks. Thank you again sir and god bless you and your family.

  • @bruceschneider4359
    @bruceschneider4359 Місяць тому +1

    Something you didn't mention: Putting in bigger valves gets the piston to valve clearance even tighter. So much to be gained by seeing inside the engine, particularly the combustion chamber. This also shows why standing the valves up straighter helps to unshroud them.
    You mentioned 'one of your students'. Are you working with your local high school or vocational/ tech school?
    Kudos

  • @rogerpatton-zr7qd
    @rogerpatton-zr7qd Місяць тому +1

    It makes scent to open that eye brow. An smooth out chads. The eye brow allows for better fuel expansion and burn control. Makes hp

  • @CurtissRobert
    @CurtissRobert Місяць тому +3

    Great illustration !

  • @JC-gw3yo
    @JC-gw3yo Місяць тому +1

    I believe Smokey Yunicks spirit lives on in Brian

  • @gregmcnamara2563
    @gregmcnamara2563 Місяць тому

    Here’s an idea for a video. Compare forged and Hypereutectic pistons.
    Clearances, ring gaps. Strengths and weaknesses. Power levels and piston speeds, etc.

  • @rogerpatton-zr7qd
    @rogerpatton-zr7qd Місяць тому +1

    It makes scent to open that eye brow. An smooth out chads.

  • @v1-vr-rotatev2-vy_vx31
    @v1-vr-rotatev2-vy_vx31 Місяць тому +1

    The after TDC clearances is informative

  • @richardmoerke9329
    @richardmoerke9329 Місяць тому

    Brian!!! That was killer. You know what you were saying BUT that makes it real brother! Wow I love it. I wish I wasn’t so old now! I would love to do another motor now with all your tips. I’m not saying it’s going to give me 1000 hp but will definitely make it run better and last I would think for sure. The key board people. Just walk away Brian. Us other people need you to much. Thank you for all your hard work. You,DV, Andy,and Eric and some other should get together and make a motor. Don’t stress over the arm chair pros . We need you to much. Thank you again.

  • @johncallahan2164
    @johncallahan2164 Місяць тому +1

    Great video!!! Awesome illustration model. Much appreciated.

  • @llewellynquay9463
    @llewellynquay9463 Місяць тому +1

    I've only ever built SBF and SBC 2/4wd Street/Offroad Pickup motors--*5500rpm screamers!*---I know, LAME. But I still appreciate these detailed Vids you put out! Thanks for sharing!!!

  • @kennyrmurray
    @kennyrmurray Місяць тому +2

    People like to act like they know what they’re talking about that’s how we came up with the saying “know it alls”. And I hate sheetrock and woodworking also. I’m on Long Island NY and had a foot of water in my house from Sandy and that sucked!! I had to cut 2’ up in every room. Good thing my house is a small 3 bedroom lol. Great videos and thank you!

  • @Red9GearHeads
    @Red9GearHeads Місяць тому +1

    The majority of us are incredibly thankful that your sharing decades of proven information. Some of these fellas argue just for the sake of trying to get your goat. I question at times whether they’re even people or just miss aligned robots?

  • @rogerpaulll1451
    @rogerpaulll1451 Місяць тому +4

    Very good video makes me laugh when knuckle heads question a master builder's advice I wish I saw this sooner

  • @randallmason9687
    @randallmason9687 Місяць тому +1

    Plenty of big block drag race engines use a similar technique. All of the sharp edges on the piston dome are smoothed over, and a little notch carved out to index the spark plug.

  • @bryanspanjer3213
    @bryanspanjer3213 20 днів тому +1

    Great video! I was stumped on this topic when I was putting together my GEN three 392 hemi. I installed a slightly larger cam and was seeing that I was only getting.030"clearance on the intake. That was using a lifter that I made to be fully extended. I was not sure how much relief the hydraulic lifter would add once the valve springs were in picture. I was so worried that I actually drove out of state and dropped it off to a guy who I believe left it just as it was and it runs great. I still don't know the answer though.

  • @johndevries8759
    @johndevries8759 Місяць тому +1

    It would have been a bit more helpful visually if the valve seat had been installed, and you did mention the .04'' quench but that would also have been more real world it you had incorporated it into your demo. What this did illustrate very plainly was how important short side flow really is because the valve is less shrouded where you rolled the valve pocket back on the piston than it is on the chamber side of the head. Also don't take it personally if a question is asked for clarification on your thinking process, that just means we value what your experience has taught you. thanks for the demo.

  • @PeggyParrow
    @PeggyParrow Місяць тому +3

    Very good presentation, i learned something, hope the nay sayers did also !

  • @GaryWhipple-q6w
    @GaryWhipple-q6w Місяць тому +1

    Always used Clay so can get the radial clearance

  • @terrysmith8133
    @terrysmith8133 Місяць тому +1

    good vid

  • @rogerpatton-zr7qd
    @rogerpatton-zr7qd Місяць тому +1

    It seems the head to piston distance containing more propulsion in the chamber. Better power

  • @adamholmes3135
    @adamholmes3135 Місяць тому +1

    Thanks for the work. Great presentation. This brings up a few questions in my mind. As the intake valve opens, the air passage changes more than I had visualized previously. Initially, the low side of the valve is absolutely shrouded. As stroke continues, low side becomes the path of least resistance as the high side can get affected by the side of head combustion chamber. Maybe. Seems that could change our flow characteristics of the intake port/runner in relation to valve events. I've got a flow bench I put together with some high velocity vacuum cleaner motors. (Thanks, David Vizzard!) I'm going to make sure my set-up has a sleave that mirrors my cylinder dia. to ensure proper geometry. I've always guessed there could be some horsepower to be had. But seeing your presentation has been eye-opening. Not sure why.
    Thought no. 2: When you're looking at the chamber, how much care do you put into the shape of the head gasket at the hole? Is there anything on the table there?

  • @steviestevie366
    @steviestevie366 Місяць тому +1

    Excellent!! video, impressive demonstration

  • @bengibson8778
    @bengibson8778 Місяць тому +1

    Awesome video

  • @markbogle8062
    @markbogle8062 Місяць тому +1

    Thank you for infor

  • @charlessagona4582
    @charlessagona4582 Місяць тому +1

    Thank you for sharing your knowledge

  • @ThomasMurrell-zb5vg
    @ThomasMurrell-zb5vg Місяць тому +3

    Keep up the videos I'm learning something new every time, exp Especially that the only ones that doubt you are just Jealous and wish they was as good as you are.

  • @rayowens4355
    @rayowens4355 Місяць тому +2

    Food for thought! Very interesting! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

  • @MrBilly334
    @MrBilly334 Місяць тому +1

    Tack!

  • @MsKatjie
    @MsKatjie Місяць тому

    Hot Damm, Brian; love your stuff. The cut out was unreal. I listern for what it's worth and I am sure others do too. Regards. Shame you don't do 335 series Fords.

  • @tc263
    @tc263 Місяць тому +2

    This really drives the concepts home you’ve been articulating in the previous videos. Thank you for sharing this knowledge for free. I’m subscribed and I always like. Turned my fellow CT engine builder friend on to your channel.

    • @tc263
      @tc263 Місяць тому +1

      The first video you did for the cam challenge was how I gained exposure to the channel. I hope your subscriber numbers take off because this content is valuable.

  • @MichaelScudder72
    @MichaelScudder72 Місяць тому +3

    That was a good video. Nice hand crafting. Whether it's welded surfaces or engine building, sharp edges on metal are no good. It seems like that piston valve pocket created a wall around the valve head as it opened and laying it back removed that wall.

  • @MichaelScudder72
    @MichaelScudder72 Місяць тому +3

    This was very eye opening

  • @GrandPitoVic
    @GrandPitoVic Місяць тому +1

    Awesome info sir!!! Thank you sir!!! The visuals are awesome.

  • @Shademax4273
    @Shademax4273 Місяць тому +2

    Mind blown again 😮.
    Thank you👍

  • @derickmorgan4956
    @derickmorgan4956 Місяць тому +1

    Awsome content !!! Thank you !!!

  • @gregorymarch91
    @gregorymarch91 Місяць тому +1

    I noticed on your chart that piston position(s) ATDC were farther down the bore than at the same crank degrees BTDC. Why is that?
    Great demonstration.
    Thanks

  • @j.finesseflights1403
    @j.finesseflights1403 Місяць тому +2

    Oops!! Thats what my piston looks like in my gx200 clone engine! I assembled a ratio rod engine that +.008 pop-up and a .032 copper gasket using a forged alloy rod. I'm new and slowly learning, thank you for sharing your knowledge!

  • @jimkillen1065
    @jimkillen1065 Місяць тому +1

    I appreciate your videos..

  • @autonomous_collective
    @autonomous_collective Місяць тому +1

    Well done....🏁🏁

  • @basketballcory2
    @basketballcory2 Місяць тому +2

    Just wanted to say that these videos are appreciated. This demonstration was really helpful. I'm definitely a visual type of guy so I thank you for that. that being said, would you have made this video if people didn't doubt what you said? Either way, I'm glad ya did.

  • @jcnpresser
    @jcnpresser Місяць тому +2

    Engine building gold!

  • @MichaelScudder72
    @MichaelScudder72 Місяць тому +3

    It would seem that the increase in cylinder head flow from smoothing out and laying back that valve pocket canceled out any loss in compression ratio because you filled the cylinder with a little more air mixture

  • @markmcmullen1371
    @markmcmullen1371 Місяць тому +3

    Well explained, thank you 👍👍👍

  • @pontiac411
    @pontiac411 Місяць тому +1

    Visually it looks like that part between the valve reliefs should be removed or heavily tapered to give the air at the back of the valve a path into the center of the chamber.

  • @jaygooch1190
    @jaygooch1190 Місяць тому +2

    What would you run your piston to head clearance on a 6000rpm stock rod engine

  • @peterolson8350
    @peterolson8350 Місяць тому +1

    Very intressting

  • @BruceRichards-f2v
    @BruceRichards-f2v 22 дні тому +1

    I tried radius on the valve relief.On this sbc build I'm doing.

  • @timothythomas1737
    @timothythomas1737 Місяць тому +1

    Been there with the witness masks before. ❤

  • @bobcuomo5122
    @bobcuomo5122 Місяць тому +2

    Great information......thank you

  • @CJ5EVOLUTION
    @CJ5EVOLUTION Місяць тому +2

    Have you assembled hemi race engines, Or only wedge type engines?
    Nice cross sectional presentation.

  • @therocketshop
    @therocketshop Місяць тому +1

    Thanks Brian for this great video, my question is, what tool do you use for actually doing the mods on the pistons you showed ? I'm close to assembling a drag race BBC and i actually want to reduce the compression a little and help flow if i can. My pistons have a 40cc dome and i want to reduce CR from about 13.8 to under 13.5 with the fuel i am using. I know i can simply install a thicker head gasket but piston work may help me more ? thanks again.

  • @Shademax4273
    @Shademax4273 Місяць тому +2

    Even if the mods cost some cfm or HP the benefits of preignition resistance alone make it worth it to me. Aint gonna make no power with rods hanging out the block😂

  • @jamest.5001
    @jamest.5001 29 днів тому +1

    I don't like the sharp edges as peaks left from making the valve relieve to start with. The reliefs can totally shroud the valve . If clearances are tight enough!

  • @rogerpatton-zr7qd
    @rogerpatton-zr7qd Місяць тому +1

    If one runs the head gasket so close would it be good ideal
    To replace gasket often

  • @Red9GearHeads
    @Red9GearHeads Місяць тому +1

    Brian do you feel this would be a worthwhile effort for a guy building a low and midrange power big block truck engine?

  • @yolocah
    @yolocah 9 днів тому

    I'm assembling a caddy 500 and you can be certain I'll be checking valve clearance at 7 and 10 degrees. you constantly put out high quality information .Next engine build is a ford 289 or 302 (you mentioned that you are building one for your son)any advice on a cam for a street brawler engine.

  • @fredflinstone4663
    @fredflinstone4663 Місяць тому +1

    Awesome video again Brian!!
    I have a question for the master please?
    For a 302 windsor rebuild with forged scat rods mahle forged pistons all studed block, 3/4 filled hard blok.
    Is .027" quench cylinder head to block, too tight for a street use 5000rpm slugger?
    I know 35 thousands would be sweet..
    But is this just too risky?

  • @samstewart4807
    @samstewart4807 Місяць тому +1

    Hi, your cut away is a real 2x4 upside the head. I think you should offer free 2 foot long 2x4s to anyone who thinks you are wrong- Maybe you should autograph the 2x4 too? 60? yrs ago, Smokey Yunick had a flow bench that included the entire engine. MAYBE?? he saw the same thing 60? yrs ago?? and lol I am sure you have never done any flow work with the piston like we see it in your model- lol R.E the cam challenge, I wonder if. maybe the difference between how you set up pistons etc AND the way Eric had HIS ENGINE set up influenced your cam spec choice ????- Like Rosana dana said, it is always something else..

  • @patrickwendling6759
    @patrickwendling6759 Місяць тому +1

    Thank you for your knowledge and videos TRUMP USA 🇺🇸 MAGA 2024

  • @BruceRichards-l5u
    @BruceRichards-l5u 20 днів тому +1

    I blended the intake valve pockets on the sbc I'm building right now. I have a picture but don't know how to attach it here.

    • @SalterRacingEngines
      @SalterRacingEngines  20 днів тому

      @@BruceRichards-l5u you can't
      bsalter@salterracingengines.com

  • @scottosborne8735
    @scottosborne8735 Місяць тому +1

    I also follow Ben Alameda. I think the 351 Cleveland might be an open chamber cylinder head. I have no experience with them. Do you ever build engines that do not incorporate quench? Is quench just relocated to piston crown with open chambers?

    • @MsKatjie
      @MsKatjie Місяць тому

      Never ever nerver use open; shit, garbage heads, never ever. ever!!!!!!

  • @GaryWhipple-q6w
    @GaryWhipple-q6w Місяць тому +1

    Where did you place in the Cam contest?

  • @ziggyortiz37
    @ziggyortiz37 9 днів тому

    I’m curious of what could be done on a engine that uses 5 valves per cylinder

  • @noahnichols6385
    @noahnichols6385 Місяць тому

    could you have taken divider out of piston or would that up set exhaust

  • @rolandtamaccio3285
    @rolandtamaccio3285 Місяць тому

    Been working on or considering this aspect for 54 years ; however not to your depth of investigation . Also giver mucho thought to cam design or placement with that intake valve chasing the piston . In 1970 did a refresh on a NHRA nat record holder , and it had toooo much valve to piston clearance , but wasn't bad on compression because it had 461 cubes . Looked at it real hard and the only extra thing I could find was this had maybe better flow on overlap .

    • @rolandtamaccio3285
      @rolandtamaccio3285 Місяць тому

      Btw , amazing cut-a-way and incremental ° degrees , beyond my visulation ,,, !

  • @rogerpatton-zr7qd
    @rogerpatton-zr7qd Місяць тому

    So after tdc the valve is opening to allow fuel and air

  • @pazsion
    @pazsion Місяць тому

    what do you mean by eyebrows of a piston and rolling them?

    • @pazsion
      @pazsion Місяць тому

      16:00 oh wow you port matched the inset of this particular piston 😮

    • @pazsion
      @pazsion Місяць тому

      kinda hard to imagine is it intake or exhaust, what is crankshaft position, which cycle is it in 😅
      if your intake valve is open during compression before ignite, your losing compression and forcing fuel up into the intake side. but on exhaust side, and bdc the heat energy begins pushing out the burned exhaust ❤ before the piston starts rising. if done right and timing correct... the chamber will be under vacumme before the intake side opens on the draw down! adding that volume of air! maybe 5-20cc depending on size of cylnder and how long its open before the compression stroke. it will add dynamic compression too. maybe 2psi.
      i havent tested it yet. 😊

  • @ericwright5419
    @ericwright5419 Місяць тому +1

    Are you only cutting the intake valve relief

  • @rogerpatton-zr7qd
    @rogerpatton-zr7qd Місяць тому

    It seems a Eng running at 200 degrees. Bring the cylinder temp to 1000 degrees which is best for hp an gas mileage. I remember when fuel injection came out everybody thought them running the temp at 200 degrees would ruin the Eng. back in the carb days we thought the cooler the better. Wrong

  • @dalewarriorofthesea3998
    @dalewarriorofthesea3998 Місяць тому +1

    Thanks Brian
    The know all know nothing brigade love to point out delusionary pitfalls
    A little bit of knowledge is dangerous