"What are we, like 10?" I will have you know that when I was 10 and I watched this episode, I found it hilarious. As a grown ass adult, I still find it hilarious.
I do like how they addressed the talking in free fall myth in Crank 2. At the end of Crank, Jason Statham leaves a voicemail for his girlfriend, saying he's about to die since he's in free fall without a parachute. Crank 2, he's magically alive again, finds his girlfriend and she's super pissed off at him, saying that the voicemail was just the sound of air hitting the mic. Probably the only realistic thing in those movies
He sure was. Unfortunately, not anymore. It's really sad what happened to him. I'm pretty sure at least he didn't fell much pain or suffered much. That's the one thing I've been afraid of. What happened to Grant can happen to anyone, at any time. That and a stroke. Or heart attack, or a meteor barreling towards the ground. It happens... For anyone who doesn't know, he died from a burst cerebral aneurysm.
I thought they were just trying to upsell the video/pic package when I went , saying your brain thinks you're going to die and starts shutting down parts not vital , like memory . I laughed until I watched my video and damn sure didn't remember doing the backflip out of the plane
Dude looks like he was ripped out of an old Cyberpunk 2020 handbook for the "Media" class. Goofy headgear with chunky recording equipment bolted on, silly glasses/goggle hybrid, even looks like he has a sight attached to the helmet over his right eye.
So in commercial history no flying passengers ever had to land a plane. But in smaller planes I think there was an incident in a piper plane in 2000 where a pilot passed out on the controls and a passenger of that plane had to take control and be talked to on how to land his plane.
I can think of 2 incidents with small planes. an old woman had her husband pass away and landed successfully in a twin engine plane with almost no fuel. a passenger in another plane had the pilot pass away IIRC and landed successfully. Fun part was he could not see the LCD flight gages on final, people suspect it was because of polarized sun glasses. Look up a channel called 'Pilot Debrief' he covered both of them in detail
In small planes there has been dozens of similar events over the decades (including student pilots or relatives taking over the controls after instructors or the main pilot/instructor gets incapacitated). As Hollywood presents it, there has never been a case so far (but you will find how difficult it is for an untrained civilian to get a grip of what's going on if you look for the story of Aeroflot flight 593.
At 40:45 when the announcer says 'the most dangerous myth', and just the whole 'catchup to a skydiver' myth part, I have a few things to say: - The body positioning that the "specialist" (their term) skydiver is using isn't actually THAT unusual among skydivers. He's doing what's called a head-down. It is a pretty common freefly (the discipline within skydiving) position. He might be modifying it a bit to go faster, but it isn't THAT unusual. - Skydiving isn't as dangerous as most people assume it is. In the US in 2022, 3.9 million skydives (not all tandems) were made and there were 20 fatalities. MOST fatalities are not due to what people would assume: Parachutes not opening. Usually it is landing miscalculations or 'hold my beer and watch this' sort of things. Don't get me wrong, there's still an element of danger to it, but deaths due to skydiving aren't as common as people think. I get it, it is a show and they have to make it dramatic, but just giving some facts. Source: Have skydived/worked at a dropzone/have friends that are skydivers.
There's one more aspect to the "Civilian being talked down to land" myth that Adam and Jamie NEVER discussed: That only 1/3 of all ACT have a General Aviation rating, and the number drops significantly for former commercial pilots working ATC. The ATC you get is probably going to be just as useless as the civilian in the hot seat. Now, if the civilian can figure out the radios and get "on the horn" with the company, the airline can pair up the civilian with a check ride pilot or trainer working for the airline. Then your outcome becomes much better. But they're most likely to walk the civilian through the autopilot instead of teaching them how to fly.
@@StorymasterQ Nope. Commercial jets have a separate radio for company communications. But I don't know how that works. I do know how the regular radios work. Now, if we're talking a flight school, you can get them on another frequency on the same radio you talk to ATC, but if it's a small airport, the ATC may call over to the school and have the instructor come to the tower.
@@jackielinde7568 In this world where everything is connected, some radio systems aren't? Ugh must be some sort of regulations, I presume? What about just connecting the trainer on the phone to the radio on the plane, would that work? I guess on his way from the school to the tower? What would be the typical times anyway between a civilian contacting the tower and things getting critical? Surely at least tens of minutes?
@@StorymasterQ I know the company radio is a separate system (Redundancy would be my guess) so it's not the radio on the center pedestal. The radio in the center pedistal does let you listen to two different frequencies at the same time while only transmitting on one. (Generally, pilots should be tuned to the Guard/Emergency frequency on the second radio channel when not setting up to swap ACT frequencies.) But I'm not a commercial pilot, so I don't know where the company radio is or how to use it. And I doubt ATC you're talking to does either. (And it can differ wildly even in the same model families... It's why you have to get type rated for EVERY type of plane you fly.)
One of these myths is now actually confirmed. Long after this episode aired, in 2022, Darren Harrison became the first civilian passenger to safely land a airplane coming from the Bahamas and landing at Palm Beach International Airport in Florida. After the pilot had a seizure and had slumped over the controls, Harrison was guided by air traffic controller Robert Morgan and between the two of them they were able to successfully land the plane, saving everyone on board. If you look it up, you can even listen to their entire conversation they had while landing the plane, it's just short of 39 minutes long.
I’m disappointed that they overlooked the fact that Johnny and Bodhi were in the tandem position, not opposite each other, when they had their conversation. Would’ve been interesting to see the results of the tandem diver had been saying the phrase and not someone else.
As a skydiver, Im fairly certain you could hear someone yelling in your ear, I've heard people scream in freefall, even captured it on camera, just never tried the talking part
True, but this requires getting an ATC who's familiar with the make and model of the airplane you're in. About one third of US ATC controllers have a general aviation license, and a lot fewer of those are former commercial pilots. The simulator they were flying looks like the cockpit of an Airbus, not Boeing, aircraft. (Maybe A320?) Now, if you can figure out the radios, you could get the company on the line. They can track down one of their check ride or trainer pilots, and the pilot could then walk you through automation. BTW, Boeing was working on remote controls for flying an aircraft, so you don't need two people in the cockpit. With their recent troubles, I don't know where that project stands.
@@jackielinde7568 Having fewer than two pilots in a commercial flight definitely makes it significantly less safe. The whole point of redundancies in aviation is to be ready for emergencies because obviously the redundancies are not doing anything in the absence of emergencies. CRM has saved the lives of way too many people for the aviation community AND passengers to accept having fewer than two pilots per cockpit.
The old posted videos are no longer available for viewing in the US. These new uploads are available in the US and they adhere to the US season numbering(internationally this is season 5 because the first three episodes of the series were labeled as season 1 internationally but labeled as pilot episodes in the US).
So thats why they re-uploading videos? Im sure they have uploaded this same video twice on this channel... n i can bet its going to be re-uploaded few more times before the year is over. @CDRaff
For clarification an ATC would not guide the untrained pilot down. Instead, in all recorded cases ar least, a flight instructor would talk thrm through it.
"There has never been a case where the pilot and the copilot have been removed from the equation..." Well, that statement was wrong... by a tiny little bit. Yes: no passenger has ever landed a commercial plane, ever; but *there has been cases where both pilots got incapacitated in flight* (needless to say those cases didn't end well). Two, right of the bat: 1) On October 25, 1999, a Learjet 35 (registration number N47BA), carrying four passengers (including golfer Payne Stewart) and two pilots suffered a loss of cabin pressure for unknown causes. Due to a poorly designed checklist, the pilots lost contiousness before they (or anyone on board) could wear their oxygen masks and, due to the autopilot being on, the plane kept on climbing until it leveled at its maximum altitude of 48,900 ft (14,900 m). The plane kept on flying for around four hours, until its fuel reserves emptied and the plane entered in a downward spiral and, eventually, crashed (unfortunately, due to oxygen starvation, the people on board the plane would have been dead 5 to 10 minutes after the initial loss of pressure, since that's the limit the brain can live without oxygen before developing permanent damage). 2) On August 14, 2005, the crew of Helios Flight 522 got incapacitated after the plane took off depressurized from Cyprus, in its last leg towards Athens (it turned out the plane had a pressurization problem, and a pressurization test was performed in Cyprus; but the test required moving the pressurization settings to be operated manually rather than automatically... and the airport personel didn't move the settings back to the automatic setting). When the plane took off, a general warning alarm sounded to indicate a pressurization problem and the pilots contacted the airline operation center to figure out what was going on... unfortunately they didn't cancel the climb and while the ground crew eventually figured out it was a problem with the pressurization settings, by this time the crew were suffering advanced symptoms of hypoxia/oxygen starvation (which, basically, are like being heavily drunk). After that, the pilots felt unconscious and the plane kept climbing until it levelled at 34,000 feet (10,000 m). Some 17 minutes later, the plane arrived to Athens (its destination), but kept circling the skies (because that version of autopilot couldn't land on their own). The plane kepr circling for almost another three hours until it ran out of fuel, glided towards the mountains and crashed near a village called Grammatiko with no survivors. While the pilots got knocked out by the lack of pressure, passengers and other crew members did use the oxygen masks and lasted a bit longer awake. Unfortunately, oxygen masks for passengers only last for about 15 to 20 minutes and crew members followed post 9/11 procedures and did not use their codes to enter the cockpit until they were using some of the last oxygent tanks available for the crew. Available evidence indicates that, during the final hours of the flight, flight attendants Andreas Prodromu and Haris Charalmbous (his girlfriend) entered the cockpit a couple of times, tried to revive one of the pilots, tried to get control of the plane and contact the fighter jets escorting the runaway plane. Sadly, since they had no flying expereince (Prodromou had a commercial pilot licence from the UK; but was not qualified for the Boeing 737 model) and that they didn't know the local radio frequencies of Greece, they could not get help or get control of the plane in any way. The final investigation indicated that, in the end, it was only Prodromu who was in the cockpit trying to fly the plane as it loss altitude after it had used all the fuel; the investigation concluded his experience was insufficient to gain control under the circumstances, but he was successful in pointing the plane away from Athens. To this day, this is the worst aviation accident in the history of Greece. "Today it would be much easier, the autopilot can land the plane" Yes and no. It's true, many modern autopilots can land automatically a plane (provided a human updates some minimum inputs)... but that depends on several "ifs". The most important ones: that the plane has that type of autopilot (not all commercial planes have it) and that the airport has the navigation aids to help the autopilot (in case of an emergency, depending on the emergency you may need to land in the first available airport; if that airport does not have the systems that help the autopilot to find the runway... it will have to be a manually guided flight until it lands. And depending of the emergency, the autopilot may not be functional so, sadly. it's still not a universal solution. The industry aims that this situation never happens... but, so far, it's not a risk that "doesn't exist" with certainty. Of course, I can see that representatives of the airline industry didn't exactly want that "if it happens, it could work" to be the final message of the episode; but yeah: pretty plausible (and it happens with smaller planes with relative frequency).
Funnily enough I had this thought the other day and was like, yeah L would easily be able to, because his whole thing is suspecting anyone no matter circumstances or relations
Not that it will ever be retested but just felt like saying the B team's point break testing was 2/3rds wrongly set up. For the 4k drop, Patrick Swaze didn't just free fall to the ground like a sack of potatoes. He was in the proper descent form to slow his fall. Whether that would have bought him the 90 seconds or whatever Tory said, doubtful (the actual stunt was likely performed at a higher altitude), but it would have taken longer than it took their simulaide to deadfall. The second issue was Keanu and Patrick's conversation happened when they were literally on top of each other, inches from each other's faces. It would have been better if the person Grant was strapped to was the one trying to talk to Grant, not another person flying in close but with still a sizable air gap. It's likely Grant still wouldn't have been able to hear the guy strapped to him well, but it would have given the myth a better chance. Also, as it was literally Grant's first time sky diving, paying attention to what someone else is saying while having a once in a lifetime death defying experience isn't great for accuracy either. It would have been better to have two people used to skydiving attempt the conversation so the novelty of the dive itself isn't a distraction variable.
in Oct 2013 , a pilot dies while taking his friend up for a pleasure flight ... the passenger with no flight training was talked down to an airport....
technically passengers have been talked down its happened a few times to small planes where the passenger was usually a flight student on their first day or discovery flight though they would have a general knowledg of what needs to be dont but if you watch the videos they wouldn't have got down safely without help so "passenger was talked down"
I get that its a simulator but for me its still hard to believe that they would actually be able to hand fly an airliner down to the ground unless they had a pilot at the other end of the radios talking them through using the autopilot.
It is a common belief, but it depends on the circumstances since simulators, most times, are played in almost perfect conditions; pilot recertifications are tested with multiple failures, checklists, variable weather, conflicting traffic... and many variable meant to test the limits of the pilot and its judgement. And that's not even to mention that, depending on the model of the plane, the pilot gets to feel the aerodynamic forces in the controls, which change how the human should react, something that's not present in many playable simulators.
I think its so funny keanu didnt just shoot him and then pull the shoot that would be interesting to see if its possible or not shame we'll probably never know
They would never try to get yoj to hand fly the aircraft. They'd talk you through setting up the autopilot, autothrottle, autoland etc. and the computers would do the landing for you.
If i had to hand fly the airbus with that stick without autoland i would probably be dead as well or if it was a boeing it would self destroy itself before i could reach the runaway anyway.
That’s an exaggeration. They got along fine when they were working on the show. They weren’t close friends off the show, but it’s not like they hated each other.
It's not the only circumstance in which a crew (or single pilots) gets incapacitated. Also, fun fact: the meals practice is not a regulation, but a good practice each airline is free to implement... or not.
I wonder if the idea of air traffic talking a naive pilot into landing is, because of this episode, something that would be implemented into ALL training for all air traffic control and pilots? I mean, f*** given this decade anything can happen, so you want that additional weird contingency ready. Like putting a square peg in a round hole.
Nope, that has happened plenty of times before this episode. And while ATCs handle instructions to keep the improvised pilots in the air, and out of harm, the landing procedure is handled by a flight instructor invoked to the tower to help. It would be impossible for ATCs to know how to fly a plane: while the basics may be the same, control inputs, systems, and procedures change from model of airplane to model of airplane... and there are hundreds of models. How this is normally handled? Well, here is the ATC audio of how ATC and a flight instructor helped a 17yo student pilot after her plane lost a wheel right after taking off in Beverly Airport (the channel Vasa Aviation has dozens of examples of different dates... but this particular incident is one that lives rent free in my mind): ua-cam.com/video/B229-KLudTo/v-deo.html
Yes people can fly planes if talked down mostly.. There are some people who play sims for real, and know what every button and dial on a plane does, they talk to other players on coms who are acting as real air traffic controllers ATC. They play the sims for real time flights and take off and landings, and following all rules of code. But why are these two Utter BERKS touching controls before they know what they're doing.. Touch nothing, look first figure out radio, call for help. it will be on a set frequency, other pilots will hear you and help if it was needed to get in touch with the someone who is listening in first before touching the yoke or other dials. I thought these two were bright people ... guess i was mistaken. Since the making of this program, this has happened, where a passenger had to take over and land the plane twice... FACT. Not all planes have auto technology, remember that.
It may seem shocking to know, but pilots are completely unnecessary for 99% of a modern commercial plane's flight time. Most of the flying is done by computer autopilot, and it has been this way for over a decade. Pilots recently used to be for takeoff and landing only, and to facilitate communication. However, planes nowadays are even taken off and landed using mostly computer guidance. A plane can basically completely fly itself. The pilots are there just in case something goes wrong, and to ensure that nothing catastrophic happens during flight in case of a computer malfunction. Actually, the computer can cancel and override a pilot's inputs if they would cause the plane to say, stall. Automated flying is much simpler and easier to accomplish than automated driving, because in flight, there are almost no obstacles to overcome, and no need to stop and go, or stay in a lane. All that makes computer controlled driving difficult. But planes have been flying themselves for almost 20 years now.
In fact nowdays pilots should have completly removed from planes for safety. If there is no emergency, the planes can fly themselves perfectly. If there is an emergency the pilots should follow the QRH checklists which is basically a bunch of if then function with input parameters all known by the plane and with well defined output parameters, so absolutely computer compatible. The only thing should be done for the planes can handle emergencies itself is to take those functions of the QRH book and write into the program of the autopilot. It would be way safer than leaving the tasks to the pilots. I know about only one accident in modern aviation history where functions in the QRH coudn't have solved the problem, but the pilots were able to save some lives on board and know about hundreds of accidents where pilots didn't follow instructions in the QRH and everybody died, however the plane could have landed safely if the QRH instructions would have been followed.
Partially true: while autopilots have evolved quite a lot and pilots are (indeed) mostly the last line of defense of the plane (so much of their modern workload is to monitor the autpilot), so far there is no replacement to the pilot because humans can come up with creative solutions to unexpected problems. The pilots are the back up of the autopilot; asking to remove them means you don't understand redundancy, and you haven't been up to date with all the events where the autopilot didn't save the plane or even started the emergency (look for the story of Qantas flight 72 or the loss of Lion Air fligh 610).
@@Zilahi-Branyi_Laszlo Wrong assesment. "Pilot error" is not a case for removing entirely the pilots from the cockpits for a simple reason: humans are the back ups of automation because they can think in creative ways if everything else fails. Needless to say that "pilot error" also counts the cases where the pilots didn't recognize the autopilot/the on board systems were faulty and presented information that led up to the crash (honestly, they should be rebranded... and we shall see if some start a movement to remove the automation of airplanes under the same basis). Just one modern example: the whole Boeing debacle thanks to the Boeing 737 Max issue started thanks to an autopilot feature that wasn't explained to the pilots, paired with a badly installed sensor that kept sending the plane in a nosedive, until it crashed. And the system was, all the time, following "what was programmed in the manual" (if you want all the details, look for the losses of flight Lion Air 610 and Ethiopian Airlines flight 302).
@@DocuzanQuitomos Pilots can solve problems in creative ways and they can also ruin things in unexpected, creative ways. The question is would sum loss of lives been reduced if pilots would removed from cockpit or not. If pilots can save 100 lives in a creative way whom couldn't have saved by an autonomus plane in the same time period while also pilots kill thousands of people because they not following procedures, that's not a good deal. Redundancy can reduce safety if the less reliable element has priority even when it is malfunctioning and for me it seems that this is exactly the case regarding pilots as a redundancy. This type of redundancy definitely should been avoided. Obviously isn't the whole aviation history in my memory, so the real statistics could be different than the statistics of accident that I know in details but it is very unlikely that it is compleatly different.
It is worth noting that this scenario actually has happened in the years since this episode aired. A civilian has actually had to be taught how to fly in real time.
After watching youtube channels for 10 years where nothing is really scripted... noticing the scripted conversations and actions really makes me hate cable TV
If you really think _nothing_ is scripted in any UA-cam channels, either you only watch lets plays or you haven't been paying attention. Most content is at least a little planned and at least a little scripted. The goofiness in the script here was intentional. Take it from someone who has grown up with this show and transitioned to watching mostly UA-cam later. Not a lot has really changed other than the fact that a UA-cam channel can be started by your average person.
@alwaysamongdragons7354 i do not watch any scripted youtube channels. The most scripted it gets is when the run a sponsor on the channel is watch... what's the point in watching UA-cam if ur gonna watch the same kind of bull crap as cable
@@RCDisiac Once again, most content is at least a little scripted. If you really think UA-cam channels don't, at minimum, take notes or a script outline, once again, you're mistaken. Some content cannot be scripted, but a significant amount is.
i absolutely love that they are releasing these episodes for free. this was my favorite show as a kid
I've been waiting years for whole episodes!
man this show premiered in 2003. 21 years ago!
It might not be an official account. But I’m glad it’s here
At a time when we need the scientific method most.
"What are we, like 10?"
I will have you know that when I was 10 and I watched this episode, I found it hilarious. As a grown ass adult, I still find it hilarious.
I do like how they addressed the talking in free fall myth in Crank 2. At the end of Crank, Jason Statham leaves a voicemail for his girlfriend, saying he's about to die since he's in free fall without a parachute. Crank 2, he's magically alive again, finds his girlfriend and she's super pissed off at him, saying that the voicemail was just the sound of air hitting the mic. Probably the only realistic thing in those movies
One of the funniest things in Mythbusters, Adam and Jamie trying to fly a plane. Absolute comedy gold.
"Fly? Yes. Land? No." - Indiana Jones
23:38 The skydiving dude losing it in the background after hearing the secret phrase.
Right? He was like "What the hell?"
It was hilarious watching Adam and Jamie try to fly and land the plane on their first try
That wasn't that different from my first simulator landing…
Full episodes on UA-cam!!! Thank you!!! Miss this show
Hearing Grant saying he's alive after landing from the skydive 😢
Ikr, such a liar he's not alive 😂
@@michaelmayhem350😂😂😂😂 guess he was too weak to live
He sure was. Unfortunately, not anymore. It's really sad what happened to him. I'm pretty sure at least he didn't fell much pain or suffered much. That's the one thing I've been afraid of. What happened to Grant can happen to anyone, at any time. That and a stroke. Or heart attack, or a meteor barreling towards the ground. It happens... For anyone who doesn't know, he died from a burst cerebral aneurysm.
I thought they were just trying to upsell the video/pic package when I went , saying your brain thinks you're going to die and starts shutting down parts not vital , like memory . I laughed until I watched my video and damn sure didn't remember doing the backflip out of the plane
Was just thinking about him yesterday 😔
44:24 man look at the camera guy! That's so cool to see how they got that footage!
Dude looks like he was ripped out of an old Cyberpunk 2020 handbook for the "Media" class. Goofy headgear with chunky recording equipment bolted on, silly glasses/goggle hybrid, even looks like he has a sight attached to the helmet over his right eye.
So in commercial history no flying passengers ever had to land a plane. But in smaller planes I think there was an incident in a piper plane in 2000 where a pilot passed out on the controls and a passenger of that plane had to take control and be talked to on how to land his plane.
I can think of 2 incidents with small planes. an old woman had her husband pass away and landed successfully in a twin engine plane with almost no fuel.
a passenger in another plane had the pilot pass away IIRC and landed successfully. Fun part was he could not see the LCD flight gages on final, people suspect it was because of polarized sun glasses.
Look up a channel called 'Pilot Debrief' he covered both of them in detail
In small planes there has been dozens of similar events over the decades (including student pilots or relatives taking over the controls after instructors or the main pilot/instructor gets incapacitated).
As Hollywood presents it, there has never been a case so far (but you will find how difficult it is for an untrained civilian to get a grip of what's going on if you look for the story of Aeroflot flight 593.
I just want to tell you both good luck; we're all counting on you.
I miss Tory, Grant and Kari. RIP Grant. 😢
Did Tori ever get grants robot
At 40:45 when the announcer says 'the most dangerous myth', and just the whole 'catchup to a skydiver' myth part, I have a few things to say:
- The body positioning that the "specialist" (their term) skydiver is using isn't actually THAT unusual among skydivers. He's doing what's called a head-down. It is a pretty common freefly (the discipline within skydiving) position. He might be modifying it a bit to go faster, but it isn't THAT unusual.
- Skydiving isn't as dangerous as most people assume it is. In the US in 2022, 3.9 million skydives (not all tandems) were made and there were 20 fatalities. MOST fatalities are not due to what people would assume: Parachutes not opening. Usually it is landing miscalculations or 'hold my beer and watch this' sort of things. Don't get me wrong, there's still an element of danger to it, but deaths due to skydiving aren't as common as people think.
I get it, it is a show and they have to make it dramatic, but just giving some facts.
Source: Have skydived/worked at a dropzone/have friends that are skydivers.
Thanks for posting these episodes. Such a great show that ended far too soon.
I love Mythbusters too, but I think we can consider 18 seasons to be a darn good tenure.
@@LipServus and the subsequent spin-offs after the main show ended as well
Rip grant and Jessie
23:36 I love watching the skydiver in the back laughing
Nitpick: Stryker was a pilot. He’d just never flown a passenger plane.. He flew over Machio Grande
I’ll never get over macho grande.
he never got over macho grande
Neither did George Zip
It’s an entirely different plane altogether
@@killercaos123 "Its an entirely different plane"
There's one more aspect to the "Civilian being talked down to land" myth that Adam and Jamie NEVER discussed: That only 1/3 of all ACT have a General Aviation rating, and the number drops significantly for former commercial pilots working ATC. The ATC you get is probably going to be just as useless as the civilian in the hot seat.
Now, if the civilian can figure out the radios and get "on the horn" with the company, the airline can pair up the civilian with a check ride pilot or trainer working for the airline. Then your outcome becomes much better. But they're most likely to walk the civilian through the autopilot instead of teaching them how to fly.
I'm impressed that it's that high honestly becoming an ATC and becoming a pilot are so time intensive. I though it would be more like 1 in 10
Can't the ATC connect the plane to the company and get civilian talking to the trainer that way?
@@StorymasterQ Nope. Commercial jets have a separate radio for company communications. But I don't know how that works. I do know how the regular radios work.
Now, if we're talking a flight school, you can get them on another frequency on the same radio you talk to ATC, but if it's a small airport, the ATC may call over to the school and have the instructor come to the tower.
@@jackielinde7568 In this world where everything is connected, some radio systems aren't? Ugh must be some sort of regulations, I presume?
What about just connecting the trainer on the phone to the radio on the plane, would that work? I guess on his way from the school to the tower?
What would be the typical times anyway between a civilian contacting the tower and things getting critical? Surely at least tens of minutes?
@@StorymasterQ I know the company radio is a separate system (Redundancy would be my guess) so it's not the radio on the center pedestal. The radio in the center pedistal does let you listen to two different frequencies at the same time while only transmitting on one. (Generally, pilots should be tuned to the Guard/Emergency frequency on the second radio channel when not setting up to swap ACT frequencies.)
But I'm not a commercial pilot, so I don't know where the company radio is or how to use it. And I doubt ATC you're talking to does either. (And it can differ wildly even in the same model families... It's why you have to get type rated for EVERY type of plane you fly.)
Props on the perfect landing with Grant. High five to that guy.
the plane :PULL UP jamie: just shut up
The dedication to have "mythbusters" on flight sim😂
One of these myths is now actually confirmed. Long after this episode aired, in 2022, Darren Harrison became the first civilian passenger to safely land a airplane coming from the Bahamas and landing at Palm Beach International Airport in Florida. After the pilot had a seizure and had slumped over the controls, Harrison was guided by air traffic controller Robert Morgan and between the two of them they were able to successfully land the plane, saving everyone on board. If you look it up, you can even listen to their entire conversation they had while landing the plane, it's just short of 39 minutes long.
42:05 Tori as Lee Majors on The Fall guy intro!. I´m the unknow stuntman.
If he impersonated them today he'd get canceled and probably threatened 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
well there you have it, 9:37 "he was too high"
I’m disappointed that they overlooked the fact that Johnny and Bodhi were in the tandem position, not opposite each other, when they had their conversation. Would’ve been interesting to see the results of the tandem diver had been saying the phrase and not someone else.
Literally just thinking this.
As a skydiver, Im fairly certain you could hear someone yelling in your ear, I've heard people scream in freefall, even captured it on camera, just never tried the talking part
Tappin Terry, all business
John wick and matrix
Unfortunately I couldn't do this. We got our first airplane in 1982. I grew up flying. So I might know more about flying then these two
They would at least have to tell you what buttons to push and which knobs to turn to make it land automatically so some human input is still needed.
True, but this requires getting an ATC who's familiar with the make and model of the airplane you're in. About one third of US ATC controllers have a general aviation license, and a lot fewer of those are former commercial pilots. The simulator they were flying looks like the cockpit of an Airbus, not Boeing, aircraft. (Maybe A320?)
Now, if you can figure out the radios, you could get the company on the line. They can track down one of their check ride or trainer pilots, and the pilot could then walk you through automation.
BTW, Boeing was working on remote controls for flying an aircraft, so you don't need two people in the cockpit. With their recent troubles, I don't know where that project stands.
@@jackielinde7568 Having fewer than two pilots in a commercial flight definitely makes it significantly less safe. The whole point of redundancies in aviation is to be ready for emergencies because obviously the redundancies are not doing anything in the absence of emergencies. CRM has saved the lives of way too many people for the aviation community AND passengers to accept having fewer than two pilots per cockpit.
@@iPlayOnSpica I never said it was a good or bad idea, just that Boeing was trying to develop the tech.
"I'm alive!"
Yes you are,Grant of the past! T.T
Another myth is when the canopy opens in Point Break they arew still connected. In real life with the opening G force hand grips would fail.
48:40
Needs ILS at the Airport
And the Aircraft also have to have that tech built in
afaik Cat. 3 ILS for Auto land
I've seen this episode on this channel already, why did it get re released?
The old posted videos are no longer available for viewing in the US. These new uploads are available in the US and they adhere to the US season numbering(internationally this is season 5 because the first three episodes of the series were labeled as season 1 internationally but labeled as pilot episodes in the US).
So thats why they re-uploading videos? Im sure they have uploaded this same video twice on this channel... n i can bet its going to be re-uploaded few more times before the year is over. @CDRaff
@@kGs62 I'm sure it's some nonsense around how complicated copyrights are
For clarification an ATC would not guide the untrained pilot down. Instead, in all recorded cases ar least, a flight instructor would talk thrm through it.
"There has never been a case where the pilot and the copilot have been removed from the equation..."
Well, that statement was wrong... by a tiny little bit. Yes: no passenger has ever landed a commercial plane, ever; but *there has been cases where both pilots got incapacitated in flight* (needless to say those cases didn't end well).
Two, right of the bat:
1) On October 25, 1999, a Learjet 35 (registration number N47BA), carrying four passengers (including golfer Payne Stewart) and two pilots suffered a loss of cabin pressure for unknown causes.
Due to a poorly designed checklist, the pilots lost contiousness before they (or anyone on board) could wear their oxygen masks and, due to the autopilot being on, the plane kept on climbing until it leveled at its maximum altitude of 48,900 ft (14,900 m).
The plane kept on flying for around four hours, until its fuel reserves emptied and the plane entered in a downward spiral and, eventually, crashed (unfortunately, due to oxygen starvation, the people on board the plane would have been dead 5 to 10 minutes after the initial loss of pressure, since that's the limit the brain can live without oxygen before developing permanent damage).
2) On August 14, 2005, the crew of Helios Flight 522 got incapacitated after the plane took off depressurized from Cyprus, in its last leg towards Athens (it turned out the plane had a pressurization problem, and a pressurization test was performed in Cyprus; but the test required moving the pressurization settings to be operated manually rather than automatically... and the airport personel didn't move the settings back to the automatic setting).
When the plane took off, a general warning alarm sounded to indicate a pressurization problem and the pilots contacted the airline operation center to figure out what was going on... unfortunately they didn't cancel the climb and while the ground crew eventually figured out it was a problem with the pressurization settings, by this time the crew were suffering advanced symptoms of hypoxia/oxygen starvation (which, basically, are like being heavily drunk). After that, the pilots felt unconscious and the plane kept climbing until it levelled at 34,000 feet (10,000 m).
Some 17 minutes later, the plane arrived to Athens (its destination), but kept circling the skies (because that version of autopilot couldn't land on their own). The plane kepr circling for almost another three hours until it ran out of fuel, glided towards the mountains and crashed near a village called Grammatiko with no survivors.
While the pilots got knocked out by the lack of pressure, passengers and other crew members did use the oxygen masks and lasted a bit longer awake. Unfortunately, oxygen masks for passengers only last for about 15 to 20 minutes and crew members followed post 9/11 procedures and did not use their codes to enter the cockpit until they were using some of the last oxygent tanks available for the crew.
Available evidence indicates that, during the final hours of the flight, flight attendants Andreas Prodromu and Haris Charalmbous (his girlfriend) entered the cockpit a couple of times, tried to revive one of the pilots, tried to get control of the plane and contact the fighter jets escorting the runaway plane.
Sadly, since they had no flying expereince (Prodromou had a commercial pilot licence from the UK; but was not qualified for the Boeing 737 model) and that they didn't know the local radio frequencies of Greece, they could not get help or get control of the plane in any way.
The final investigation indicated that, in the end, it was only Prodromu who was in the cockpit trying to fly the plane as it loss altitude after it had used all the fuel; the investigation concluded his experience was insufficient to gain control under the circumstances, but he was successful in pointing the plane away from Athens.
To this day, this is the worst aviation accident in the history of Greece.
"Today it would be much easier, the autopilot can land the plane"
Yes and no. It's true, many modern autopilots can land automatically a plane (provided a human updates some minimum inputs)... but that depends on several "ifs". The most important ones: that the plane has that type of autopilot (not all commercial planes have it) and that the airport has the navigation aids to help the autopilot (in case of an emergency, depending on the emergency you may need to land in the first available airport; if that airport does not have the systems that help the autopilot to find the runway... it will have to be a manually guided flight until it lands.
And depending of the emergency, the autopilot may not be functional so, sadly. it's still not a universal solution. The industry aims that this situation never happens... but, so far, it's not a risk that "doesn't exist" with certainty.
Of course, I can see that representatives of the airline industry didn't exactly want that "if it happens, it could work" to be the final message of the episode; but yeah: pretty plausible (and it happens with smaller planes with relative frequency).
After this episode many people with almost no experience with aviation have landed planes when main pilot has been not able to do so.
Yeah like no on 9/11 lol
Funnily enough I had this thought the other day and was like, yeah L would easily be able to, because his whole thing is suspecting anyone no matter circumstances or relations
i would hope the skydiving company has planes and parachutes
Why is the video posted twice on channel but is season 4 on one and season 5 on the other?
Rest in peace Grant 🕊️
Did the computer really say "don't think"?
Supposed to be "Don't sink," but it sounded like the computer's pronunciation was off for some reason.
Not that it will ever be retested but just felt like saying the B team's point break testing was 2/3rds wrongly set up.
For the 4k drop, Patrick Swaze didn't just free fall to the ground like a sack of potatoes. He was in the proper descent form to slow his fall. Whether that would have bought him the 90 seconds or whatever Tory said, doubtful (the actual stunt was likely performed at a higher altitude), but it would have taken longer than it took their simulaide to deadfall.
The second issue was Keanu and Patrick's conversation happened when they were literally on top of each other, inches from each other's faces. It would have been better if the person Grant was strapped to was the one trying to talk to Grant, not another person flying in close but with still a sizable air gap. It's likely Grant still wouldn't have been able to hear the guy strapped to him well, but it would have given the myth a better chance.
Also, as it was literally Grant's first time sky diving, paying attention to what someone else is saying while having a once in a lifetime death defying experience isn't great for accuracy either. It would have been better to have two people used to skydiving attempt the conversation so the novelty of the dive itself isn't a distraction variable.
in Oct 2013 , a pilot dies while taking his friend up for a pleasure flight ... the passenger with no flight training was talked down to an airport....
Grant in thumbnail, instant sad. He is one with the Force, the Force is with him...
technically passengers have been talked down its happened a few times to small planes where the passenger was usually a flight student on their first day or discovery flight though they would have a general knowledg of what needs to be dont but if you watch the videos they wouldn't have got down safely without help so "passenger was talked down"
I wonder how he managed to stall a plane? It seems like it is Airbus with Alpha floor protection and automatic TOGA mode for those cases 🤔
I get that its a simulator but for me its still hard to believe that they would actually be able to hand fly an airliner down to the ground unless they had a pilot at the other end of the radios talking them through using the autopilot.
next Season 11
Wonder if y'all have seen when Travis Pastrana jumped out of a plane 🤔
18:42 You are now Adam.
Rip Imahara and Swayze.
They tried to talk Sky King down! He is still flying though ❤️
A human would still need to input the autopilot data
I honestly believe someone who plays a flight simulator can land a plane without help
It is a common belief, but it depends on the circumstances since simulators, most times, are played in almost perfect conditions; pilot recertifications are tested with multiple failures, checklists, variable weather, conflicting traffic... and many variable meant to test the limits of the pilot and its judgement.
And that's not even to mention that, depending on the model of the plane, the pilot gets to feel the aerodynamic forces in the controls, which change how the human should react, something that's not present in many playable simulators.
"looks like we're heading to some kind of population center. let's see if we can go faster!"
well, if you're gonna go out....
Can u debunk tom cruise action scenes
But the landing-gear lever is shaped like a landing gear.
So so sad Grant passed. Unreal
Jamie Hymenman!
Ohh noo... Kari didn't get to skydive with the guys??? Why in the hell not??? A bit more than disappointed but an otherwise great episode.
I think its so funny keanu didnt just shoot him and then pull the shoot that would be interesting to see if its possible or not shame we'll probably never know
It’s happened on small planes.
They would never try to get yoj to hand fly the aircraft. They'd talk you through setting up the autopilot, autothrottle, autoland etc. and the computers would do the landing for you.
this was uploaded 10 months ago as season 5 episode 25
Air traffic controllers are not pilots. They do not particularly have the knowledge required to fly an airliner.
Most Air Traffic Controllers have pilot licenses. They have the basics of flying a plane, not necessarily an airliner.
If i had to hand fly the airbus with that stick without autoland i would probably be dead as well or if it was a boeing it would self destroy itself before i could reach the runaway anyway.
Crazy to think that Adam and Jamie never actually got along with one another
That’s an exaggeration. They got along fine when they were working on the show. They weren’t close friends off the show, but it’s not like they hated each other.
Dare I say that my at-home VR headset and the latest version of Microsoft Flight Simulator are more realistic than that entire NASA setup from 2003
Except for the hydraulics, maybe. Some people skip the VR and have fully made sim cockpits, kind of hilarious.
@@EricLing64I find them awesome, but I'm also a sim racing nerd so the bias is obvious
The pilot in the co-pilot never eat the same meal therefore if if one of the foods are tainted only one trumpet
It's not the only circumstance in which a crew (or single pilots) gets incapacitated. Also, fun fact: the meals practice is not a regulation, but a good practice each airline is free to implement... or not.
Gosh I miss Grant.
From 2000 to 2022 there have been people who had to be talked down to land.
this is so stupid, you would absolutely have help landing the plane
they should've just flown a cessna with an instructor
What is tuba?
A big brass instrument that makes a low sound.
literally could've flown a real plane with an instructor
just shows hows ignorant they are, no "research" is actually done for any of these episodes
I wonder if the idea of air traffic talking a naive pilot into landing is, because of this episode, something that would be implemented into ALL training for all air traffic control and pilots? I mean, f*** given this decade anything can happen, so you want that additional weird contingency ready.
Like putting a square peg in a round hole.
Nope, that has happened plenty of times before this episode. And while ATCs handle instructions to keep the improvised pilots in the air, and out of harm, the landing procedure is handled by a flight instructor invoked to the tower to help.
It would be impossible for ATCs to know how to fly a plane: while the basics may be the same, control inputs, systems, and procedures change from model of airplane to model of airplane... and there are hundreds of models.
How this is normally handled? Well, here is the ATC audio of how ATC and a flight instructor helped a 17yo student pilot after her plane lost a wheel right after taking off in Beverly Airport (the channel Vasa Aviation has dozens of examples of different dates... but this particular incident is one that lives rent free in my mind): ua-cam.com/video/B229-KLudTo/v-deo.html
RIP dude
DONT THINK
Don't sink. Not think. It just sounded weird.
23:14 BUSTED
I am so sorry for the dark humor, I hope this doesn't offend anyone. We love and miss you Grant.
Yes people can fly planes if talked down mostly.. There are some people who play sims for real, and know what every button and dial on a plane does, they talk to other players on coms who are acting as real air traffic controllers ATC. They play the sims for real time flights and take off and landings, and following all rules of code.
But why are these two Utter BERKS touching controls before they know what they're doing.. Touch nothing, look first figure out radio, call for help. it will be on a set frequency, other pilots will hear you and help if it was needed to get in touch with the someone who is listening in first before touching the yoke or other dials. I thought these two were bright people ... guess i was mistaken.
Since the making of this program, this has happened, where a passenger had to take over and land the plane twice... FACT.
Not all planes have auto technology, remember that.
I would love to see someone deepfake Theo Von’s face over Swazis 😂😅
Why re-upload
So that you would post here asking why
@michaelmayhem350 fair, I listened to this episode as I installed a new sink in my bathroom Friday so I was a little confused
@@TheStupidRuskiwhy did you replace the sink?
Confirmed
It may seem shocking to know, but pilots are completely unnecessary for 99% of a modern commercial plane's flight time. Most of the flying is done by computer autopilot, and it has been this way for over a decade. Pilots recently used to be for takeoff and landing only, and to facilitate communication. However, planes nowadays are even taken off and landed using mostly computer guidance. A plane can basically completely fly itself. The pilots are there just in case something goes wrong, and to ensure that nothing catastrophic happens during flight in case of a computer malfunction. Actually, the computer can cancel and override a pilot's inputs if they would cause the plane to say, stall. Automated flying is much simpler and easier to accomplish than automated driving, because in flight, there are almost no obstacles to overcome, and no need to stop and go, or stay in a lane. All that makes computer controlled driving difficult. But planes have been flying themselves for almost 20 years now.
In fact nowdays pilots should have completly removed from planes for safety. If there is no emergency, the planes can fly themselves perfectly. If there is an emergency the pilots should follow the QRH checklists which is basically a bunch of if then function with input parameters all known by the plane and with well defined output parameters, so absolutely computer compatible. The only thing should be done for the planes can handle emergencies itself is to take those functions of the QRH book and write into the program of the autopilot. It would be way safer than leaving the tasks to the pilots. I know about only one accident in modern aviation history where functions in the QRH coudn't have solved the problem, but the pilots were able to save some lives on board and know about hundreds of accidents where pilots didn't follow instructions in the QRH and everybody died, however the plane could have landed safely if the QRH instructions would have been followed.
Partially true: while autopilots have evolved quite a lot and pilots are (indeed) mostly the last line of defense of the plane (so much of their modern workload is to monitor the autpilot), so far there is no replacement to the pilot because humans can come up with creative solutions to unexpected problems.
The pilots are the back up of the autopilot; asking to remove them means you don't understand redundancy, and you haven't been up to date with all the events where the autopilot didn't save the plane or even started the emergency (look for the story of Qantas flight 72 or the loss of Lion Air fligh 610).
@@Zilahi-Branyi_Laszlo Wrong assesment. "Pilot error" is not a case for removing entirely the pilots from the cockpits for a simple reason: humans are the back ups of automation because they can think in creative ways if everything else fails.
Needless to say that "pilot error" also counts the cases where the pilots didn't recognize the autopilot/the on board systems were faulty and presented information that led up to the crash (honestly, they should be rebranded... and we shall see if some start a movement to remove the automation of airplanes under the same basis).
Just one modern example: the whole Boeing debacle thanks to the Boeing 737 Max issue started thanks to an autopilot feature that wasn't explained to the pilots, paired with a badly installed sensor that kept sending the plane in a nosedive, until it crashed. And the system was, all the time, following "what was programmed in the manual" (if you want all the details, look for the losses of flight Lion Air 610 and Ethiopian Airlines flight 302).
@@DocuzanQuitomos Pilots can solve problems in creative ways and they can also ruin things in unexpected, creative ways. The question is would sum loss of lives been reduced if pilots would removed from cockpit or not. If pilots can save 100 lives in a creative way whom couldn't have saved by an autonomus plane in the same time period while also pilots kill thousands of people because they not following procedures, that's not a good deal. Redundancy can reduce safety if the less reliable element has priority even when it is malfunctioning and for me it seems that this is exactly the case regarding pilots as a redundancy. This type of redundancy definitely should been avoided. Obviously isn't the whole aviation history in my memory, so the real statistics could be different than the statistics of accident that I know in details but it is very unlikely that it is compleatly different.
Thanks for saying what they did in the video it was helpful
It is worth noting that this scenario actually has happened in the years since this episode aired. A civilian has actually had to be taught how to fly in real time.
Not a commercial airliner...
@@TheDewaltBoy Yes, fair enough, it was a smaller aircraft.
After watching youtube channels for 10 years where nothing is really scripted... noticing the scripted conversations and actions really makes me hate cable TV
If you really think _nothing_ is scripted in any UA-cam channels, either you only watch lets plays or you haven't been paying attention. Most content is at least a little planned and at least a little scripted. The goofiness in the script here was intentional.
Take it from someone who has grown up with this show and transitioned to watching mostly UA-cam later. Not a lot has really changed other than the fact that a UA-cam channel can be started by your average person.
@alwaysamongdragons7354 i do not watch any scripted youtube channels. The most scripted it gets is when the run a sponsor on the channel is watch... what's the point in watching UA-cam if ur gonna watch the same kind of bull crap as cable
@@RCDisiac Once again, most content is at least a little scripted. If you really think UA-cam channels don't, at minimum, take notes or a script outline, once again, you're mistaken. Some content cannot be scripted, but a significant amount is.
@alwaysamongdragons7354 that's not scripted... those r called bullet points. Make sure u touch topics and u cant scripts racing and car content
:)