The Season 13 Overwatch 2 Balance Patch Brought Halloween Early
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The whole point of this patch was to be spooky and scare off their players
Yeah I might be taking a break from overwatch for a little while
might be doing it \
6x6 is the only way.
You mean scare off the Sombra Mains, which, good.
No lie, Deadlock is really fun. Like OW1 and Lol had a baby
Ram did NOT need those changes
We could get a mythical ram. But we got a ram nerf :3
Literally one of the main reasons to play Rammattra is the shield pierce. Not having that just makes him shit.
Although I hate playing against Ram i agree with you it was mad unnecessary ☠️
But he got them anyway. They need it to make a change to some Tanks that were well balanced and they choose him so...
First there was the hope of a ramatrra dance emote then there was Anubis ram then wizard ram and now ram is on the farm. The devs racist.
Overwatch devs once again making another patch that changes heroes that were fine and ignoring heroes that aren’t
Literally everyone was asking for Sombra to get some changes for months, she gets changes finally, and this is the patch that everyone was ignored?
@@Xfacta12482 sombra is the exception here. Who asked for bap to get his recoil reduced or a mauga buff? Genuinely, the only positives here are Hanzo health increase and Sombra rework
What do you expect? Most of the dev team never been out of silver
@@Xfacta12482sombra didnt really need any changes. Low rank supports just bitched about her bc they dont know how to counter her, which is just to play as a team. If they bitched in vc as much as they do on twitter maybe she wouldn’t be a problem
@_ThatBlueGuy sombra didn't bother me that much either, but I'm glad they got rid of perma invis because she'll be moving in a healthier direction.
I’m convinced they nerfed ram as a “fuck you” to the people who said ram should’ve been all might
No dev team would do that, it’s their job they’re not necessarily emotionally involved to the point where they would do thing to annoy players
@@ni9274They might as well
@@ni9274 I mean dev teams have done similar in the past. Wasn't it Runescape where a boss that the devs had no intention of being beaten was almost killed, despawned, and then respawned without the loot table it was supposed to have?
@@ni9274 You must of never worked in customer support before where someone was being annoying to the point you don't give 100% effort to cater to every single one of their needs while they scream your ear off.
@@chemarpierson9272 I thought that was an Everquest thing or some other really old 3D MMORPG where the dragon was supposed to be a server lore warping event. But one of the most toxic servers somehow banded together and managed to beat it (technically due to a bug that they didn't realize was taking place).
Ramattra suffering like no one has suffered
^underrated comment
Nah I think rein players have suffered wayyy more than ram has in the history of overwatch.
@@CatiosPizzaRein players are just kinda delusional, like Rein has been good in many seasons and is even decent now, yet to them he has never been good and they are saints for picking the “underdog” tank
@@Radiant450 bro I said compared to what rein had to suffer. Like in the past? Bro had to go against orisa which fully countered him and was buffed as fuck. There's no way you could compare what ram has lost to what Rein had to suffer through those times. Rein was proper dog.
@@CatiosPizza still is proper dog. the orisa matchup is just as bad as it was before and even worse because they removed the buff to knockback reduction on tanks. luckily the ram nerf does help rein significantly now because ram just ran straight through rein with pummel. now rein shield is nerfed so GGs to rein whenever he has to play into orisa or bastion or dva or even life weaver. that thing dropping in a second fr now.
No wonder Ram hates humans. Look at how they treat him!
😂
he has full racism rights. im with him
Ramattra found dead in a ditch
Alongside mutilated body of sombra
and venture finding the body’s just to lay with them
The grape flavored glue trap blizzard used to kill him still stuck to his body.
With Brigittes skeleton nearby.
@@Chinesetakeout382honestly it’s kinda funny as hell to me the idea ram really just loves grape flavored stuff because it’s purple like home still sad about the nerf tho i can only see it making interactions much more frustrating for pretty much everyone above gold
Boss: "What do you mean we can't delete Sombra from the game?"
Devs: "Hang on, I've got the next best thing"
thank god
Thank god they nerfed that worthless character
If you cry to remove a hero cry about it
Sombra is still gonna be good especially to melt down tanks. A 20% damage increase on a full auto smg is quite substantial
@@uncletone3296 which is fine, the permanent stealth was bull
Widow mythic skin -> kill sombra
Rein collab skin -> kill ram
Gotta make the sales
Why do yall act like sombra is the only way to contest widow? 🤔
Sombra had a free kill on a scoped widow tbf was just the easiest option
@Seducier why are you a blizzard bootlicker?
@@FusionfallHQ5000 I'm not.
@@Seducier you are. The only way to effectively deal with widow as a dps is sombra
Ram didn't even get nerfed, they just straight up evaporated him from the game with those changes. First, We didn't get a Ram or Tank mythic skin for months, and now they just gutted Ram to the ground. They really want to make us suffer.
as.. he has?
ram wasn't kidding when he said he knows suffering
@@realshingodzilla4630lmfao
The Tank experience in OW is at rock bottom. They're desperately trying to bring in a poke or shield meta but none of the tanks are equipped to achieve that properly and they've just nerfed a tank who would be an ideal counter to such a brain dead meta - As a result nobody is fun to play and you're encouraged to play like a chicken otherwise you get blamed for feeding. Blizzard just make everyone dps ffs because that's where we're headed.
Bruh you ram players are insufferable he’s not that bad you do more damage to shields you literally still counter shields like stop crying us doom mains did not cry this much when they literally cut off dooms arms bent him over and stuck a fat load of nerfs in his ars we just overcame it and yall still fear us just get good with the new ram
Ahhh good ol classic team 4 nerfing Ram and Buffing Mauga
And nerfing rein
Somehow buffing Mauga in a way that not even Mauga players liked too
Ram nerfs are a huge indirect rein buff lol @@gavinator1775
@@THYnameISsarcasmIt's aight at best but I want mauga to stay just decent so he can be playable but not own the meta just good enough to stay effective but not strong enough to be meta
Cuz if they ever do buff him too much he'll become meta then when the nerf happens it'll be 3x worse than what he needed and the cycle will continue RN he's fine and I just want him to stay that way but if he gets too many micro buffs he'll get gutted and then he won't even be playable
@@sebastianrodriguez8992 Personally, I just want them to lean in to him being an aim tank who plays more from cover. I like him in theory but he's so much less effective when you don't face tank with him and that makes me sad
Ram change is dogshit that panders to the worst players. I say this as someone who played rein a lot, I’ve had no problems with taking down Ram without having to swap
Yes aka bronze and plat players
I don’t even see much players in those ranks that get annoyed at the Ram cause they just swap or are actually good.
I’ve had my shit rocked by rien players on ram. The Ram Vs Rien matchup is only bad if you’re shield botting, which you should be punished for anyways. You should lose if you see the melee character run towards you, knowing full well thag melee goes through shields, and you don’t retaliate by other means.
Ram didn’t dominate any of the shield characters besides brig, but brig still had means of escape and support is always going to lose a 1v1 against an equally skilled tank. Winton could jump away, rien can charge and swing his hammer, sigma has rock and distance on his side. It was never that bad.
Even to Brig- who should usually avoid Ram completely- this is a net buff to her. Nemesis Ram got nothing on Brig rally now. Ram got screwed
@@Chinesetakeout382it was actually fun (as a rein player) since it felt like a mind game baiting out the CD's of the other tank. If ram goes nemesis early he's done. If rein burns through health trying to punish ram before nemesis goes out it's also a wrap. That felt relatively engaging compared to the constant "get shield nuked, ok guys, we walk now" that other soft counters create.
Ram sombra nerfs are too push Widow /Rein skins but we aren't ready for that conversation
the Ram nerf was completely uncalled for and Sombra needed a nerf but didn't need to get cooked that hard like wtf
Suzu got nerfed to push the unbound demon skin so
but rein was nurfed too.
Ram was uncalled for, sombra can rot 6ft under tho.
Make it so if she ever becomes good again it takes skill.
@@theveryaveragegamer9865 To keep us off the trail
Am I insane in thinking part of Ram’s kit WAS the fact his pummel went through shields while his staff form had to stay away. That’s how you play him, long range then push up with nemesis.
That was the whole point. What annoys me is that his shield pierce wasn't even busted; all it took was a little bit of healing to the enemy tank. Nobody asked for this change.
@@cherrylime9540You're right, it wasn't busted at all. It was essentially a slow fire rate, short range, okay-ish damage, shield piercing projectile tied to a cooldown. Damage that was easily countered by enemy supports because nobody else on your team could consistently do damage beyond the enemy shield. And the trade off was that you could no longer put up shield during Nemesis Form and you had no option to contest anything past 10 meters. Considering the current Juno/Mauga/Orisa meta he wasn't crazy at all.
Yup, that is a core part of Ramattra as a hero. This latest version of the Overwatch team management is just incredibly clueless and detached from the reality of the game experience so they're making incoherent decisions like this. This is what happens when big teams experience brain drain and high turnover and poor management.
My problem was that staff was too weak and didn't last long enough to punish a ram. Now it's frustrating to play as and play against
I completely agree. I think he is a skill based tanked with all of his long cooldowns, and he can get mowed down very easily. So he is a great tank, and what made him fun was being able to punch through shields which made him affective at pushing the pace, when used correctly. It wasn't even busted it was a rather balanced mechanic because you can be very much punished for using you're monkey mode.
Rammattra's only ramaining selling point got removed. At this point give him his infinite ult back
What would be the point of inf alt, being behind a shield stops its ticks? And now you can't hit through sheilds, my favorite tank is now dead.
@@wilsonprice549exactly he now can’t even sustain his ult even if it was infinite
Or just revert the change like a sane person would.
@@gengarultimate if anything he has a chance of breaking the shield and sustaining his ult now. Pummel damage alone doesn't prolong the ult.
@@gengarultimatepummel damage doesnt prolong the ult anyways so your comment is stupid lol
Haven’t seen a single person like the Ram nerfs. Why did Blizzard think this was necessary?
The dart they threw for who to nerf hit ram
I told them to
They haven’t even came out yet. Everyone needs to chill tf out
2 hours into reading notes and people are losing their minds
@@stokedgrizzly4975 as usual overwatch players always overreact
wtf did ram do to these devs man?!?! First he gets neglected on skins, then he gets nerfed so hard he's barely able to stand, then he was given back his legs for a season and now they just took him out back and used reaper's shot guns until he could barely crawl..WHAT DID HE DO?!?!?!
Look I am (or was) a ram main and I feel like we don’t have any room to talk about lack of skins when venture is still starving in a pit
@@wildhunter939 why can't we complain about both not having skins or the fact that the same characters get 1 or multiple skins every single season? Like I'm getting real tired of seeing kiri, mercy, rein, and tracer skins when we haven't seen a lot of heroes that deserve skins more than the box art heroes.
"Suffer as I Have" Has a whole new meaning
Blizzard : release a widow skin, delete sombra
also blizzard : release rein skin, ruin ram
THIS IS CASH GRAB
1 the ram change tells me that the next tank hero is going to have a barrier that would have fallen victim to rams piercing
2 the thing that bothers me the most with the somebra change is that even without playing it i can see how clunky the stealth being tied to translocator will be, why not jist give her the ability to go into stealth for 5 seconds without burning translocator and announcing to the world "HERR I AM" like it was back in OW1
Because they're saving that for when Sombra gets her fifth rework 6 months from now
Since people complain about her burst dmg I think they should've removed virus and slightly buffed primary dmg to compensate, replaced with stealth ability with 5s cooldown infinite duration (cooldown starts when leaving stealth), stealth is no longer passive and no longer activates with translocator, translocator gives slight speed boost for a short time.
This would make Sombra easier to chase down and punish since stealth has a longer downtime without sacrificing its uptime and the plays it allows. While also reducing frustration from the high burst damage but still enabling her to duel opponents
Mate Blizzard can't make kits, they just can't. All the characters need to have the same, unionised format that is tried and true and boring as shit.
Invisible person who bursts? Nah now we need her to do absolutely nothing, get off a bit of damage and then sprint away like a child. If anyone thinks this is a better character design than any of the other annoying AF characters Blizzard designs then you are just a child acting on emotions rather than stats.
@@Hietakissa so make her similar to OW1, yes good
@@Lo0serx3 yeah but without opportunist and the even more annoying translocator
yeah whoever thought those changes to ram was a good idea needs to be fired
They do this to Ram and buff Orisa and Mauga again. Yes we the Overwatch community do complain a lot but that's because our Devs are actually high on the Job
@@strangeosyndro272they’d probably be better at their jobs if they were high. This just feels like actual delusion, it’s the only exclamation. The only thing this patch needed was an orisa nerf and the game would have been in one of the better states it’s been balance wise, but they couldn’t do it.
being able to hit behind barriers for free was not ok, plus he still heavily damages them
@@Monorackhow is it not ok, it's his whole identity, without it he's a walking damage sponge. What shouldn't be ok is shield botting against a piercing character within range and getting frustrated if you lose.
@@Monorack he was doing it for two years. anyone who still has a problem with it just needs to get better at the game
That Ram nerf has me thinking the next Tank character has a barrier. What on earth would make them revert his main unique modifier to his Nemesis form?
You should stop thinking and just be angry
@@Xfacta12482 I can do BOTH!
@@Xfacta12482
🚫🤔
✅😠
The next tank is supposed to be Phreak, you can look him up on the ow wiki, seems to just be a brawler based on what’s shown. The concept abilities are Cannon, Stomp, Attract. Probably nerfed ram just to nerf him like how they gave random buffs for no reason as well
@@HammerHead-yx5dywell the old concept seems to have been turned into junker queen
Everyone worries about how the Ram nerfs will affect the Rein matchup, but I'm more worried about Winston and Sigma. Actually trying to hit someone dancing through a static shield is going to be impossible.
I mean it was done before Ram was invented lol
Honestly so not worried about the rein matchup, most reins take you stepping into pummel range as a personal insult and start swinging hammer any way.
Winston now being harder for me to punish for diving my supports annoys the hell out of me…
Winton stocks are up 📈
@@Miner-zn4lt The only other character to really have a "ranged melee" like Ram is Brig, and her attack goes through shield normally.
Ram main here, I don’t even know what the fuck to do now, he’s just a block bot against shields now and that is complete dog shit
I guess your new job is to just force shield break and pray your dps can get a pick.
@@SimplyS7Sometimes by dps could be blessed by the Pope himself and they wouldn’t get a pick
"ram main here" just off yourself
@@bryceinnerst7963Are u good?
@@bryceinnerst7963 U good?
I wonder if Blizzard knows that the reason people are not playing Mauga is because he's not fun, and not because he "has been underperforming."
Fr Mauga has the most bland playstyle in the game. Rigid movement and gameplay where youre just endlessly firing down a choke while yelling "HAHA!"
I love playing him lmao. The stomp is hilarious
Well I'm a tank main who enjoys playing hitscans and Bastion, Mauga is a hitscan who has rapid fire, this is why I enjoy playing him. I don't know why people complain about Mauga when he can easily get countered, you can literally just switch to Sigma or DVA and destroy him. Hitscans, Ana & Zen also counter him.
@@seeker9597 we dc lil bro
@@mruptownK spotted the 1t hog
Ngl i have never been this upset about a nerf in my life until now. Take away the identity of character that has a bottom 5 pick rate in casual and comp. They better not let the Ram change go through. Rein as well.
I dont think people would be very upset if this whole balance patch just didnt go through
@@doge9455 If they want to go ahead and scrap this worthless excuse of a patch that would be fine with me, but it’s going to go through and then they’re either going to listen to players and revert most of it or they’re going to mega buff the ones that got nerfed. Usually how it goes
New comms...
Me: Soj has rail
My team: well, no shit
soj has perma over clock now
My god I just realized does she deal piercing damage still?
How many times are we gonna buff BOB when he’s already been a top 3 DPS ult since launch.
Top 3 doesn't sound like Top 1, he stops getting buffs when he's the best ult in the game >:3
bruh he's a top 3 DPS on his own lol
See that would mean something if there was more than 3 good dps ults. besides Bob is only really good in low ranks. High ranks hes only really used to secure a team fight that's almost won otherwise he gets blown up.
@@rinslergj1bruh I'm masters 2 t500 and bob is op AF and by far the best ult in the DPS roster.
@@YoWasupImADude-xv6hi sym
I've played for years and seen many rises and falls, but THIS is the first patch that has just straight up confused me entirely. Either someone upstairs is getting fired, or this game is about to actually die off this time
I think Sombras gonna be absolute ass if she still has stealth exit voice lines imagine trying to go behind people in invis, being forced out behind a building or smthn and just saying “ha did I scare you”
Flats not reading the first Clash change correctly was so painful to watch lmfao
I know, right? It literally says "to make the first segment easier to capture", how was this an argument?
@@nsnick199 he only read the numbers for context and thought it was related to the speed of the capture, rather than the length of time of which it takes to capture
2 b fair, percentages r weird & not intuitive for most ppl.
DUDE IT WAS SO FUNNY I WAS LAUGHING SO HARD LOL
@@vulpixie__nothing to do with percentages, just needed to read something other than numbers
Ram did not need that. that's literally his thing
ram and sombra losing their identities in real time
No one cares about Sombra. This is a excelent change after more than a year of suffering
@@durchfaII u don’t have to care abt sombra lol it’s more of an indicator of how they treat hero identities
@@durchfaIIwild how people only cried after the game went F2P
@@itzSalty_pf course it is a cash grab.
Most changes has financial reasons.
@@durchfaIIur bronze huh
Blizzard really went:
“You know what Ram players like? Spending Nemesis breaking shields.”
Fucking thank you blizzard, you are the company of all time. But at least Sombra got sent to the shadow realm.
"Guys Orisa is very strong right now. What should we do about her?"
"Nerf Ramattra."
"Jimmy, you're a genius. Take a week long vacation, you're getting promoted."
She's not. She's like middle of the pack in of hero choices, lower-mid in higher ranks and barely used in top 500. And the lowest win rate. She just has some rare match ups or someone decides to randomly use her. But if he sees ANY Orisa he freaks out in frustration because he hates the hero.
@@bui3415 In my experience she's very strong too, I wasn't even basing it off of his thoughts of Orisa. Everytime I play Orisa half their team has to counter swap me in order to not let me run all over them. Might just be a mid-rank experience.
All they do is pushing a sniper vs shield meta intentionally:
Sombra deleted
Widow Mythic
Shield Counter removed
Mauga range buff
Bap aim buff
Hanzo buff
Healing falloff
Can't even make up a proper excuse for Bap, pathetic developers
Sniper metas are never fun devs really dont play the game :/
dont forget that they did nerf snipers on a couple maps by making high ground less oppressive at least slightly
You mean orisa brawl cuz they didnt nerf the horse
This is 100% going to be a sniper meta shield meta-can’t wait to walk out of spawn and instantly get domed in the head or can’t wait to not do any damage to the enemy team because they have all their shields up
And I know it’s gonna be extra oppressive and quick play because for some reason quick play players honestly cannot see a Widowmaker a Widowmaker is invisible to a quick play lobby
sombra, a hero designed to be stealthy and escape when spotted, now has to use her only escape tool to take any space. genuinely what were they thinking
Tbf pretty much the entire community is tired of seeing (or should I say not seeing) her EVERY SINGLE GAME.
She's an effective counter to most of the roster while having very few solid counters herself. Having both stealth AND damage was the problem. The fact she can 100-0 someone before they can even react, immediately coming out of stealth, was extremely unhealthy and just outright unfun to play against.
But instead of pushing her back towards stealth and reducing her damage output, they're gutting her stealth (her identity), and just giving her even more damage. Which I do agree is extremely poor choice of direction for the character.
I always wanted limited stealth but not linked with the nerfed translocator. I just wanted it as its own ability with a resource bar like the invis watch from tf2. Idk what the devs were thinking here.
They keep changing her and it never works. It's almost like a stealth character that can interrupt abilities just doesn't fit into the game no matter what.
@legacian4039 it doesn't matter that you're tired of seeing Sombra, what character someone else picks will never be up to you
They were thinking about the dollars they’ll be making from the Widow mythic gooners
Hey look on the bright side, no Orisa buffs.... yet...
Don't jinx it they'll microbuff her in the next patch now lol
BRUH YOU JINXED IT 😭😭😭
Keyword:
“Yet”
nah, we're on the part of the horse cycle where they nuke her before they start microbuffing her again
@@fiona9891 you say that until Aaron pulls out *THE CHART*
I was honestly super stoked to get back into the newest season, but these changes are causing me to doubt my initial thoughts. I don't wanna play a game with a balance team as incompetent as OW's
Trust that judgment. I was planning to quit season 10 and it truly has only gotten worse.
People have been saying that about the balance team since ow1 so idk why you’re still there
@@ni9274 friends primarily, but even I sense their burnout
The worst part about sombra changes is that they didn’t increase her health back to 250 to compensate that she wasn’t gonna be in stealth all the time since they refunded her health 225 because she was always stealthed
Gotta sell that widow skin one way or another
That’s good, nobody wants to see Sombra players happy. They already gave her a 20% damage buff, let’s see how that goes first. Also it’s blizzard lol Sombra will get mad buffed by the next patch
Ain't now way they did that to my boy ram
yeah, when i read the change, i just thought: nobody is gonna play him now.
@@whatupguys1nah still gonna play him. i dont mind the change, at least i have to put more through into it and not just mindlessly plow
@@idclol2883 you forgot overwatch players always overreact like they aren't adults
Like yeah it’s 163 dmg to barriers but still 😭
@@ImNoAce How can you not do math? His pummel currenly does 108 damage. 108 x 2.5 = 270. He is going to melt shields. Ram is gonna destroy Reins shield in 5 seconds. That doesn't sound like a nerf to me.
I hope they revert the Ram changes, it is another case of a hero losing their identity, just like how Hanzo lost it when they removed the one shot, and himself is an example of how these things dont work.
If they just increased the draw time on Hanzo on S9 instead of doing this merry go round and leaving the character in the dust for almost a year, it would've been better.
Ram's thing is piercing through shields, it makes no sense removing his most effective ability.
It actually makes perfect sense. Make the ram players miserable so they quit asking for skins like the greedy players they are, poor Kiriko and Mercy are starving for skins. After all if the character's so shit that you're not playing them anymore, then that means you're not asking for skins.
They're actually geniuses, and WE'RE the dumbasses.
100% bet you that midseason or earlier they will revert this
@@darcidious99 My god u guys need to be so invested in fuckin skin. Weren't we saying that Blizzard is greedy and we should stop buying skin ? Why should we care about Kiri or Ram getting skin
@@rougememoire2860 I think they were being ironic
@@rougememoire2860 It's a joke buddy I couldn't care less cause I dont buy shit. It's still wildly unfair however to people that do enjoy those characters that get nothing while overwatch's favorite r34 bait gets 3 skins in one event. And hell Venture may as well not even exist, Juno released after and got a skin before... That's just blatant.
Ill be honest, patches dont normally bother me too much, I like watching the metas react and people adjust, for the most part. But this patch has pissed me off so much I think I might take this season off haha.
This week on Flats, he argues with chat for 10 minutes instead of reading a single line on his screen!
As a tank player, I agree, I was having too much fun with the game. Tank players are supposed to suffer, so I think these changes are justified
I'm convinced the dev team's moto must be "Time is a flat circle."
11:00 "Am I... Cassandra? Doomed prophet, alone and unheeded by the weary world? [...] Do I drag my carcass to the mountaintop once more, just to scream a warning that will go unheeded and unheard, or do I... end it?"
Brennan Lee Mulligan strikes again.
Blizzard mind set: 2 negatives = a Positive
My gut tells me for Sombra is going to get a gig in the midseason because the Devs will see that her pick rate have plummeted and her win rate has plummeted after this rework and I have a feeling it’s going to be her passive that gets the buff so prepare
Fr I already see it 😢
Yeah I'm not even sure what you're meant to do as sombra now.
Your invis let you flank without wasting too much time, but now you have to use your translocator, but that means you have 0 out. This is just bad OW1 sombra in which people didn't play her and then they made a huge quality of life buff with making her always invisible and now she's going to be a troll pick who comes out of invis at the wrong time and is instantly deleted again.
@@scotttimbrell8632Tracer is going to do a better job flanking at this point. Hopefully someone working on these patches will realize how dogshit they are and by some miracle they’ll actually balance it, but it will probably just end up in some overtuned buffs if they decide to change it at all
@@HammerHead-yx5dy Tracer was ALREADY better than Sombra
@@scotttimbrell8632 Blizzard: "oh but we brought her opportunist ability back"
at the cost of making her more inflexible to even capitalise on it properly. All of her changes seem to collectively work against each other.
9:45 I can see some games where both tanks are sitting in spawn, waiting for their icons to be revealed, so the game becomes a 4v4 with both tanks just counterswapping, just VERY slowly xD
I have strong feelings about that ram nerf
Hiding the heros doesnt make counter swapping worse, it just makes it harder to counter when YOU get counter swapped, meanwhile doing N O T H I N G to solve the actual problem that is the balance.
Like, every choice the team has made this season is bad. Good lord
This here! Seeing the counterswap headed your way gave you time to reposition and adjust your playstyle as needed before the next engage. Now you're gonna get jumpscared sent to respawn room trick or treat
Deadlock has a cool idea where you can pick rosters, Maybe overwatch should make a roster system, where before the game even starts, everyone has to pick a pool of 3 hero's that they can play and only switch to. With no info on the other teams roster so you can't pre counter pick. Idk. Seems like a good idea in my head.
@@GoibniuNihiliste Think thats almost a fix but could lead to the same thing that happened with hero bans, where without access to 76 or a decent hitscan, pharah can become a big issue.
I feel they should make the translocator cooldown lower than the stealth cd, that way she can stay in stealth but you'll see random translocators flying from time to time.
just increase stealth time and make it so you can toggle it instead of having to use translocator
or just make cloaking an ability with a timer, theres a number of better options then what they did
@@Darrakkii I see we've come full circle back to the OG Sombra design...
@@Dizzifying1 It's probably better than what the fuck they did
They could have made stealth have a cooldown, or they could have made her area of detection much larger. Either of those would have been better than making it so you have to translocate to go into stealth. Even if they made the translator cd lower i think it’s still weird to make that her way of stealth
21:25 "we haven't come anywhere" -Flats, 2024
Now Sombra isnt gonna be harrassing supports, but melting tanks.
nah she's gonna get gunned down by the enemy team the moment she pops out to hack the tank. it's gonna be a sniper/Shield meta so prepare to hide behind rein shield for a whole season.
@@nezarecdiscipleofthewitnes3823 The next thing i hate the most besides sombra is widow, and now i won't be able to make them cry, how can i kill someone who is a god at headshots without that element of suprise? by relaying on Winston? with the soujourn buffs? fuck this season
Sombra is literally unplayable now, so I guess for many it’s a win?
@@Sac-chan yeah i always thought sombra and widow were the most boring heros to play against. def gonna so lame seeing widow almost every match now
The old devs were better
If they were so worried about Ram damaging through shields, then why not just have him deal LESS damage through barriers. NO damage is absolute ass, and it's gonna make fighting Rein/Sig so much more annoying.
Because that would be the worst of both worlds. New Ram can delete shields, which allows your team to delete their tank.
@@aolson1111 exactly
thank you
@@aolson1111 Youre thinking too deep for this community lmao. Its blowing my mind that people aren't seeing this
@@Xfacta12482not sure what the damage is for shields( i know its 2.5x more), but isnt brig gonna have hell with ram. Like 2 punches, brig’s shield is down and there is no way to protect yourself(considering your whip is on CD)
@@aolson1111and then your ram gets fucking obliterated by the rein who deals a hundred damage a hit while your dps all get killed by the damage boosted bastion
27:23 "Thank you first time chatter" I'm screeming to my screen to READ THE WHOLE SENTENCE
I love to shit on the overwatch balance team making the dumbest decisions of all time, but my GOD their incompetence at this point is actually impressive.
I cannot name a single MF'er that wanted Ram's punch to no longer pierce. If you're rein, just drop the shield and start swinging on the guy since dude has no mobility, and your team shouldn't be stacking right on top of you anyways so the pierce seems like it's fine. This, is beyond unnecessary, it also theoretically completely destroys brig since he can what 2-tap her shield?
Theoretically that means they wanted Rein to be better... then they hit you with the "btw we're also making rein's shield weaker lol" so at this point all logic is now just gone.
Then we get a Mauga buff, nobody wants this at all, nobody asked for this at all, why did they add it? IDC if it's a small buff that has minimal impact, people are tired of seeing him, he can stay at the bottom where he belongs.
And I say this wholeheartedly as someone who loves sombra, remove her from the game for a few seasons and give her an actual rework instead of this "kit shifting" BS. It's so abundantly clear they have 0 clue what they actually want that character to do, either she's the most annoying character and we all hate her, or she's useless.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk, we are so back boys
Edit: I'll balance it by being nice, the swapping characters being hidden is actually a good change
Honestly I agree with you, ram was perfectly fine, but not only does he not get a mythic skin they also HAD to nerf him, like WHY do they hate ram so much? One of the coolest characters is dead this season. and as a Zen main and a sombra hater she Did NOT deserved get Reworked AT ALL they could've just nerfed her virus and Lower her hp, but now she's just a shitier tracer but with more hp.
@@zen7953Could have made her detection area larger, and/or nerfed speed/virus/health and that would have been a good change. Like said, she’s now worse than tracer.
@@HammerHead-yx5dy sombra DESERVES to get nerfed, but doesn't deserve to get crippled by this rework. Is the balancing team stupid? Or what?
Mauga needs a rework and there’s no shame in that doomfist orisa and hog and ball all have received reworks so why can’t mauga? It’s the best decision for the character and for sombra just put her in the support role at this point
Flats’ struggle on the clash update is so painful to watch. His refusal to stop and think about what the chatters are saying, and his refusal to read the last part of the bullet point to understand…
He actually got so defensive and mean
@@impicklepix5408 He went on and on about how chat was saying "No" then contradicting themselves when they weren't, he was just misreading everything and didn't take a moment to stop and actually read.
Even if they nerf Sombra, the game is still unhealthy because Widow still exists
11:25 i know its off topic but i can see flats has been losing weight. keep up the good work bud.
MY NEW SOMBRA ROTATION:
Translocate in and stalk ur prey,
wait till invis timer is on 1 or 2 secs left before engaging in combat (that way ur translocater timer will have 1-3 secs untill use)
Deal The Damage!,
Tp out to safety :)
And remember, in stealth you dont lose your invis if u take damage so u have the full 5 swconds of running time
8:40 start of character changes.
I love how Sombra players aren't allowed to complain about nerfs to their hero because she's "Annoying" but there are character like Tracer and Widow who are actually 10x more annoying to play against and whenever they get nerfed everybody cries. to all the people who wanted this, enjoy playing against 3x times as many widows, Tracers, Balls and Doomfists in your games... Ya'll are gonna want Sombra back because she's a dead character now.
All the bronze mercy healbot players finally got their wish.
Widow finally gets to be at the same table with her Australian brother as being basically what they accused Sombra of being which is no risk all reward
Tracer takes skill to play, nobody gets the right to be annoyed if they get dogged by a tracer, all you need is a cassidy's nade or 2 shotting her and she's dead, you can't kill her? that's bc the player is just better than you.
Sombra is cowardly playstyle that everyone hates, i only play her to annoy the enemy sombra by counter-hacking her while defending my supports
@@Sac-chanyh facts. I am tracer main t500 on console and she is so hard to play. Sombra on the other hand is basically just a skill check character. It's not that you're good, it's that the enemies can't play as a team, have bad positioning and don't have communication so they just get rolled. That's why I won most games until diamond 5 then had to learn the harder but more useful characters like tracer and venture.
Sombra players crashing out because they can’t sit behind the entire enemy team all game hacking defenseless healers and killing them 😂 Sombra is unhealthy for the game and yall know it too, it’s just hard to admit because of how little skill she takes to play, you can deadass make some of the worst decisions on Sombra and you still can have a positive impact on the game. Sombra players don’t know how to fight straight up and use cover. Every Sombra runs the same coward play style that NOBODY but Sombra players enjoy. Honestly Sombra shouldn’t even be receiving a 20% damage buff to compensate for the nerfs. Tracer takes way more skill than Sombra and even that’s not hard to achieve. These changes may have been trash overall but Sombra in the coffin is always good
i agree, all the widow's that never touch grass are gonna get so annoying, they basically destroyed the only character that could deal with the backline while simultaneously buffing doomfist that is another character that is insanely annoying.
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"You need endorsement 4 to play the game"
Ok but hear me out… If they’re gonna buff Mauga, this is the direction they need to go.
Really? I think the 3 second burn was good for squishies because it took more skill managing your right/left click. I think if anything they should’ve reduced it on tanks
Is it better than tank busting? Yes
I still would prefer they just make him an aim tank instead of Reaper but a tank and also bastion somehow
@@THYnameISsarcasm its so funny because he was an aim tank in his playtest and then people who didnt know how to play him or play around cover said "oh no hes too squishy" and now they are convinced he needs to be fucking immortal to be good instead of a bit squishier but threatening; astounding how they make an amazing character on launch and then ruin it immediately after release.
@@goonjar34 Well, the more power they give his burn, the more raw damage they can take away. I think the best direction they can take Mauga is to frequently incentivize switching targets. Maybe they could have some sort of interaction where the power of your Cardiac directly correlates to how many enemies are currently burning.
@@Whodadman Replace cardiac with an ability that shoots out large rings of fire that ignite enemies over several seconds (think huo-long heater) and then update his passive to also heal him for every enemy he lights on fire, like Queen's passive. No more unkillable lifesteal Mauga if you only focus the tank, but it also improves his baseline survivability, and if necessary they could also buff how much overhealth he generates on crits.
12:30 I feel like the Ramattra changes could have worked better if they compensated for it a bit more. Like increasing the Range of his Pummel and increasing the Height of his Vortex.
What do you mean this makes him a decent option to play into Pharah? Must be a coincidence.
The tanks wont be in spawn counterswapping? Well, technically they can. Both tanks can just wait in spawn for 15 seconds every swap, lol. So now expect a highlight where the tanks just wait in spawn the whole game, counterpicking, and 8 other players play the game without their tanks.
Ram change is brain dead. It’s like they felt like they needed to do something to some characters so they did it. Who can’t figure out you’re fucked if you go near ram?
I’m convinced they have a dart board of decision making at this point
wasnt the whole selling point of ramattra that he could punch through shields????
Hes about to do 300 DPS to shields...
as a ram main, i quit. on to deadlock
Cant wait for Marvel Rivals
Same, ram is my fav tank to play but now I can’t be bothered playing at all with this bs
Good for you
As a GM Ram main, here comes the Lash
byeeee
sombras infa stealth definitely needed to go but they fuckin gutted her dude
They straight up buried her this season Jesus Christ.
Sombra player detected, opinion rejected
@@durchfaII i play widow more than sombra but go off lol
@@xachperkins4842you a simp?
@@emma6648don’t need to simp for a character to see that sombra is now worse than tracer
Why don't they just give 0 points for the defenders saving their last point on Clash. It would be way more simple and effective.
Flats tells chatter who tells him second part of the bullet explains it, doesnt read second part of the bullet. "To make the first segment easier to capture for attackers and the consecutive ticks harder". I don't know who you are chatter but you were absolutely correct
I feel like people are overreacting to the Ram changes.
Ram can be a counter pick to Rein because he could punch through the shield. This reduces counter picking slightly, and it actually gives counterplay to the Reinhardt. He can choose to sacrifice the shield and let his team get heals, or he can eat the punches like he would anyway and actually deal damage to the Ram in return. On paper, it's pretty balanced.
Plus it makes him better when playing against a Sigma
W take. It’s baffling to my to see the community that complains so much about counterwatch be so upset that there’s a change like this.
@@williamgreen2796 because Ram wasnt even that good of a counter pick to Rein, 95% people would go Orisa over Ram into Rein. Ram is already in such a bad spot, only people who knew how to play Ram would switch to counter Rein and thats quite a lot less of people who know how to ezmode Orisa.
And then no matter what your ram dies because base form ram has like 400 health so he gets 4 shot by the rein
So just like removing the ability to shoot through Lifeweaver Pedal, which only 3 CHARACTERS IN THE GAME COULD DO, they remove Ram's pummel unique ability. There are ~7 shields in the game, if you are including ultimates. This is another change that does nothing but hurt the character, but makes it "easier" to play around when it was already easy to do so. Cool Blizzard...
Rammatra's pummels were supposed to be like a sidegrade version of Rein's hammer, they do slightly less dps and AOE, but have longer range so you can hit people in a line instead of standing side by side. They were melee attacks, just with an extended range similar to Brig's flail.
@tau-5794 you know what melee do? Pearce shields. Based on your logic, this still shouldn't be a change for Ram
@@InfernoRaph Yeah? What made you think I was agreeing with the change? They're melee attacks, they should still go through.
@@tau-5794its not melee. Its long range. Nearly 12 meters. I say within 5 meteter he can sheild peirce.
@@InfernoRaph yeah, crazy to think Symettra's ult is a hard counter to Rammatra as a whole now
the devs hate ramattra more than overwatch does in the universe
The tank gap is so crazy rn since it’s all auto fill.
I’m Plat support but my placements were next level babysitting. People think tanks don’t need cover, even when at 1hp they are allergic to cover. Never EVER EVER look behind or defend a squishy. Run down mid over and over then spam ping.
Its the idea of the role itself clashing with itself, "I am the tank, I HAVE TO protect you from the other tank, I have to take the damage. Im dead now, I couldnt do more" They should change the name to Assaulter or something, the idea itself is the problem for alot of players. ALOT of player. Embedded into their minds that they are the defenders, and falling before you do is the job. "Five people are attacking me, and I can barerly take it, if I let someone else on my team take it, they will DIE fast"
@@ETJakaEli everyone plays it expecting to be DPS but god mode.
They don’t understand that they are putting supports in impossible positions when they dive and that u need to stay in the cover when at low Hp, they think they can be healed as fast as the 200hp characters 🤦♂️
Always just trading with a pocketed tank pointlessly and don’t understand the the logistics of: healing you means I cannot heal anyone else, ITS DRAINING 2 or 3 characters entire kit to be damaging Rein shield or a Road Hog.
All to keep them from whining 😭 I’ve had to win some games by convincing the team to let met flank as Moira.
Im a dps player so when I got to plat 3 this season with bap juno I just ignored healing pretty much. If the damagers are dead I dont need to heal their damage!
Agreed, and does anyone else get annoyed when you see your tanks losing heath, but they charge into the enemy? As a healer, that's annoying.
Can't tell you how many times people fail to understand when to attack, defend, fall back, disengage, or group up. It's like they think it's COD.
Had a tank say “heals?” When i watched him push almost into the enemy spawn, ulted, and died. I pushed with him so i could heal but that ended up with both of us dead. Kept dying as well because no one wanted to help me kill the flanking dps. Support really does feel like i’m babysitting half the time
27:50 the point is that if youre not steamrolling you get rewarded for reaching third point
BREAKING NEWS: Rammatra found hanging from a tree
Im not playing Overwatch until they revert the changes. What the actual fuck. WHAT"S THE FUCKING POINT OF PLAYING RAM NOW???
Ram and sombra are just throw picks now
Flats not understanding decimal multiplication has me wanting to scream... There's no shot lmao
The rudeness to the guy who commented for him to read the last part of that point (which in words clarified what the heck he was confused about) was super frustrating to watch.
Like some guy was a “first time chatter” to help clarify something and he gets scolded. Like why does the “first time chatter” matter? I don’t talk in streams because I’m shy but if he was that confused when the answer was RIGHT THERE, I’d wanna point it out too.
I'm gonna keep a buck 50, I feel like the only reason why Juno is so good is because she is also fun and accessible.
When a character like Lucio is meta, sure he might be good and fun to play but will still have less people (At least in lower ranks) because he just isn't as accessible to most players.
Flats not understanding that the the A B and C segments were going to take 70%, 110%, and 140% of the time they take now (which is equal for all 3 segments for season 12) caused me pain haha
It’s good that they count wins and not games because they’d definitely bot the hell out the account like they always do
R.I.P Sombra
As someone who hates sombra, she didn't deserve that
@@astarial8a yes she did lol
From an objective stand point not really @@RJ_331
@RJ_331 hope you enjoy getting 1 shot by widows now
(rest in piss) 💀💀💀
Here's the way to think about sombra stealth changes (I think) - stealth lasts 5 seconds and translocator cooldown is 7 seconds so if sombra is constantly reactivating stealth she will basically be visible for 2 out of every 7 seconds and since taking damage doesn't break stealth she just needs to get to cover for 2 seconds before she can stealth again for another 5, and now that she can see critically injured heroes through walls she can hide behind a wall, wait for someone to "go red" through the wall then she can stealth to try to finish them off if they are isolated and not being pealed for by a support. I may be wrong but I think with the recent armor changes and the new damage buff to hacked targets sombra may also become a tank shredder on certain tanks, she will just need strong positioning to max out her damage.
Throwing translocator around just to be stealthed is shitty janky gameplay. Also, by forcing us to throw translocator to enter invis, we have no escape tool anymore. Her entire play style is gutted. I don't understand why you wouldn't just play tracer.
@@lukemcaloon5053”shitty janky gameplay” was the best way to describe Sombra in general. She is unhealthy for the game and shouldn’t have ever been allowed to sit in the enemy’s backyard fully invisible waiting for them to waste cooldowns. Sombra received so many changes because they don’t know what to do with her, she doesn’t fit the game at all and is better off removed. Hiding near their spawn to camp the defenseless healers is not enjoyable for both parties
If there was 1 gamemode I would have liked to see in Overwatch to replace Push, is Payload Race from TF2. It's like Escort, but both teams have a cart and they compete to have theirs reach the end first. The sad part however is that I feel like this is a gamemode that would only thrive in at least a 6v6 setting, considering the obvious split in tasks: push your cart, and prevent the other team from pushing theirs.
Overwatch has always had team sizes too small for gamemodes that need large maps like that. The small teams also mean there's less room for goofing off, since one friendly is 10% of an entire server whereas in TF2 it's only 4%.
Yes, I'm gonna get grilled for this, but I do agree with some of their changes. Sombra could be very hard to counter in certain teams and now I think she became a high floor/ceiling character. Juno was really annoying because she has a lot of mobility and healing making her a more annoying mercy. 2CP now makes it so that it compensates both attacking and defending teams because, before, it was better to keep it between the middle and second points because you would always have the advantage when taking them. Going for the final point was the same as losing a point and the previous advantage. Now, it compensates going for it AND gives defenders an easier time defending it because they spawn faster now.
Mkay, so the Clash change is as follows:
When going for a “shutout victory,” i.e. taking the last point for all three ticks, the first tick will only need 70% of the usual time on the point to get it. That’s FASTER. The NEXT tick, however, will require 110% of time on the point, requiring you to stick on the point for longer, but only slightly by 10%. Finally, if you get the second tick, the LAST one will require 140% more time on the point, making the capture time take, of course, 40% longer.
With the Defender Insta-Spawn changes, that means if they lose the initial fight, like full team kill, they can get that next fight INSTANTLY at the cost of a point, but the benefit of a longer fight time. If the enemy gets the SECOND tick, they again instantly recover and come back to stop the last tick, which will give them *even more* time to potentially turn it around. If not? Well, you already know.
TL;DR It takes longer to get all three last point ticks on attack, and defenders get more time and 2 instant respawns at the cost of ticks to turn it around or lose.
EDIT: Optional example. Say each tick used to take 10 seconds. Now, the first tick takes 7 seconds, the second tick takes 11 seconds, and last tick takes 14 seconds.
EDIT 2: The “Double Decay,” is a stupid way of saying they’ve doubled the time it takes for the decay to go down. So if it fully decayed in 10 seconds, it now fully decays in 20 seconds. THIS, HOWEVER, IS ME JUST TRYING TO FIND SOME LOGICAL WAY TO TRANSLATE THIS AND HAVE IT MAKE SENSE. I DON’T REALLY GET IT EITHER.
They killed my girl....we will avenge you Sombra. This isnt the end
Her corn is popping off doe
I love when I said that the Ram nerf wasn’t needed I got harassed for it in other comments, telling me “his punching through shields was BS” & to “shut up”. Flats just said everything I thought when I read BOTH Mauga & Ram’s changes. Crazzzzyy. What do I expect from the internet though.
Edit: Why do I even have hope anymore tbh? I wish the OW2 addiction wasn’t strong, I would’ve dropped this game a while ago.
While it is true that ram won’t be able to penetrate through shields now, the shields that do pop up in a match are gonna implode.
Winston bubble = 4 punches
Sig shield = 5 punches
Rein shield = 9 punches
Ram shield = 7 punches
This takes into account that no one else is shooting those shields.
We’ll just have to see how this feels before casting judgement upon it. Could be bad or it could be good. Who knows.
yeah people are majorly overreacting. Do they not realise the thing that's better than ram being able to hit through barriers is your entire team doing it because it broke?
I was about to say this. Now only point blank Bastion can delete shields faster.
you are the best bro thanks for not overreacting like everyone else who hasn't even tested the hero yet and they screaming
anyone who holds shield for too long will genuinely loose their means of defence especially rein with everyone on the shield as well it wouldn't last long forcing the rein to conserve his shield and brawl you
About 1 punch every 0.7 seconds, so no matter what your gonna be out of nemesis whenever the shield is gone, then you die because base ram has 400 health, y’all just know nothing about ram
Robbed Ram of a Mythic
Then robbed the mfer of a skin of WITCH/MAGIC THEMED season as he is literally the only character with a staff
Buffed Mauga
And hard nerfed him
I don't even blame his ass now if he tried to start another omnic attack 💀
Now my only hype for this season is my hope for a Ram nerf revert
I haven't even finished the video, I'm just reading all the drama in the comments lol
Don’t melee attacks pierce barriers by default, so beefcake ram can’t hole punch yet a normal melee will?
Yep also means rams regular melee can but his big boi punch cant
@@doge9455 if they really wanted to nerf his hole punch, why not reduce the damage it does if it goes through a shield, it’s like the fired the old patch team and this is the first patch from the new team
Exactly what I said lmao so now rein is the only tank that can full primary damage through a shield! It's not only a nerf to ram it's a buff to reins utility as well.
Alternate Developer Comment for ramattra: We weren’t selling as much mythic hammers so we made rein even better against matchups so rein mains can be incentivized to buy it.
I dont understand this take. Just because your hero might be shit, how does this affect buying skins? People play Rein regardless of his state in the meta.
I really want to talk to the playtesters that saw this and thought "yup this is way better"
He really pulled out the paint app😂🤣😂