maaaaybe the oldest stories in the world
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2023
- What are the oldest stories in the world? I'd like to suggest 2 contenders.
Klamath Sources:
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pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2002/fs092-02/
Deur, Douglas. “A Most Sacred Place: The Significance of Crater Lake among the Indians of Southern Oregon.” Oregon Historical Quarterly, vol. 103, no. 1, 2002, pp. 18-49. JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/20615207. Accessed 17 Oct. 2023.
Gunditjmara Sources:
Early human occupation of southeastern Australia: New insights from 40Ar/39Ar dating of young volcanoes. Matchan et al. 2019.
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Anyone know any other super ancient tales that we can kind of date?
I felt a magnitude 5.8 earthquake 12 years ago and have yet to stop talking about it. If i saw Mount Mazama pop off my children's children's children would hear about it.
The fact that some legends of modern tribal communities of beasts and monsters roaming the wilderness are based off of real life mega fauna that existed and that their distant ancestors interacted with is pretty cool.
Klamath Tribal member and long time subscriber here. Thank you so much for talking about my tribe and our legends. We owe you a thanks! Great content as always and I can’t to see more!
In the world of UA-cam where extremely unqualified people are peddling false history, fake facts, guesses, conspiracy clickbaits, your channel is a breath of fresh air.
Hey Stefan, there are very old stories here in Australia. But some just can’t be dated. They don’t necessarily relate to a specific event that can be dated. But here in Victoria, bass strait flooded somewhere between 7-8k years ago. This put pressure on the tectonic plate and throughout the western district of Victoria, many volcanoes erupted which changed the landscape forever. Some indigenous people were recorded telling stories about these eruptions. In regards to the eel traps you mentioned, there are older ones in the Australian alps that go back to the last ice age, at least. Huge channels and water management systems. Also, eel traps have been found in central Australia that used to be employed in the large inland lakes - which are now completely arid. And I think the oldest art on earth has been found here, with the stone engravings in Tasmania probably the oldest man made art on the planet. A great book on this is by an amazing ethnographic and cultural researcher, Josephine Flood, called ‘archaeology of the Dreamtime’. It’s a shame that most people who are interested in this area of research don’t take more interest in what has been discovered in Australia. It’s just seen as a bit of an aside to the grand picture of humanity, which I believe reflects the European primitivist discourse that permeates academic thinking. So it’s great to see you referencing Australia’s indigenous people on your channel.
As an indigenous person and social studies teacher I want to say thank you for making points of reference to oral historical reference points for Aboriginal peoples which in many instances do not allow deviations from the exact way a story is told and handed down like a library book one knowledge keeper after another.
I live inside the caldera of Mount Aso in Japan. Here, we have a legend about how there used to be a huge lake surrounded by the outer rim of the caldera. Then the god Takeiwatatsu-no-Mikoto kicked a gap into the outer rim so all the water could flow out, which is why people can now live inside the caldera and grow crops 😊
Interesting you mentioned Neolithic tombs in Ireland, Stefan. In medieval times , the mounds in county Meath such as Knowth, Dowth and Newgrange (it was not then known that they were megalithic tombs) were known as the “Hills of Incest”. Recent DNA studies of the bodies found in these discovered megalithic tombs showed that they were the product of incestual relationships, probably to conserve a royal or aristocratic bloodline like in Ancient Egypt. It’s been hypothesised that this naming is due to some folk memory or oral history that dates back to the times of these burials, around 5500 years ago!
250+ generations have preserved the memory of this event with no written words, just incredible
It's worth looking into the oral histories from Haida Gwaii! This detail didn't make my video on the Haida PNW people, but some of their oral histories appear to make reference to glaciers and other climate-related events that some archeologists have linked to occurrences over 10,000 BP. Pacific Rim Archeology's 2005 book "Haida Gwaii: Human History and
Hi Stefan, great video!
According to the Encyclopedia of Oregon, the big event was, as you say, 7700 years ago. But volcanic activity continued for about 3000 years, to 4800 years ago. So prior to the volcano going dormant, there would have been activity, for thousands of years, some of it similar to modern Hawaii or Iceland. That active could, in my opinion, easily reinforce an oral tradition. Even today, the hot springs and fumaroles in and around the park together with the continued activity of the Cascade range help keep the memory alive.
I LOVE that Stefan got excited seeing a chipmunk. That's a lot like a being thrilled to spot a seagull while walking along the coast. It's great. People should never lose their sense of wonder or excitement for such things. But it is particularly endearing when it is someone so knowledgeable and when he's walking around Crater flipping Lake.
Just returned from Morrisons with a bag of Crisps and Haribo. As I sat down, I noticed that Milo had uploaded a new video. It felt like everything fell into place perfectly.
*My theory: The reasons why oral tradition persisted in some cultures:
Oh man, I love you for this, Stefan! I'm a PhD researcher in archaeology specialising in prehistoric artificial memory systems (i.e. technologies developed to record, store, & transmit information in oral traditions). I'm so glad you covered this, as people tend to view the written word as having sumpremacy over oral traditions, but that's because people don't understand how they work or how reliable they can be at retaining accurate information over long periods of time. I think it's really important to highlight the intellectual lives of indigenous people, as well as prehistoric people, as it can help change perceptions of how those groups think & innovate - and that can help combat bigotry. So, thank you for this. These stories are a remarkable & fascinating part of human history. It's these kind of things that made me want to be a prehistorian.
On the subject of stories about Volcanos, the Rök Runestone, constructed in or around the year 800, may reference a volcanic eruption as well. Recent studies have found that in the year 530, a series of volcanic eruptions in Iceland spread a cloud of smoke over pretty much all of Europe and most of North America for 11 eleven years. about half of all people in Scandinavia died, and there are some parts in Ireland that are completely devoid of graves from that time, too. And heres where the Rökstenten comes in. In the early 2000s, a man named Bo Ralph noticed parallels between a Riddle on the stone, and an old English Riddle in the Exeter Book revolving around the sun and moon and how they "steal each other's light"
My people, the Birpai people of NSW Australia, tell a story of three brothers who were turned in islands in the ocean. The three brothers mountains are now all inland. Could this story recount a time when the ocean level rebounded after the last glacial maximum? We were here during that time.
I have to say, it’s truly astonishing at how few views and subscribers you have. Your videos have such a high production quality and I’m delighted every time to see a new video of yours to pop up in my feed.