After watching this a couple times and recreating it as much as I could at my local lanes....I already improved my release and upped my high game! Thanks!
Thank you for sharing your insights on proper release, I appreciate the sliding foot timing to the coming of the hand at release , as well as its distance to each other for power. Finger position among others. More Power to you.
You save my game I went back to this release after seeing your video its a old school Pete Weber release easy on the wrist an elbow and very consistent Thanks good video do more slow motion
although this vid is almost 3 yrs old, still i find it very useful for me to learn how to really rev the ball up. currently the ball i'm throwing is more like "spinning" instead of "hooking" - maybe due of my tendency to spin a ball (a norm in asia). my lack of wrist strength didnt help as well. looking forward to apply your technique ASAP. thanks mike for this awesome video!
Hi. To generate higher rews you should stay longer in the inside ( left side of the ball). It's called "working the inside" if you want to look for it on the internet. You can also see it here Analysis of the Modern 10-Pin Bowling Swing and Release by Dean Champ (starting at 6:00)
This was taken by a professional videographer (I had to pay to have them come out) so I am not sure of the exact model of camera used but I will give you what I know. The video camera was a full sized cinema style camera and is capable of shooting up to 300 fps in full HD, 1200 fps in SD. Sorry for my lack of information.
That is pretty accurate, as long as you are considering the clock to be standing up straight at the foul line and not laying down on the floor. So if I understand where you are placing the "imaginary clock" then I would say your comment is accurate.
If you imagine the ball as a clock (looking from straight behind the ball along your intended target line) you want your fingers to be at about 7 o'clock as the ball begins to clear the thumb and about 5 o'clock as the fingers begin to release from the ball.
I see what he is doing. I know what to do. But when I actually release the ball, I don't thing it's all going quite right. One thing I notice is that if I throw at a slower speed the bowling ball is much more likely to hook in the right spot, but of course, I'm sacrificing power. And if I throw too hard, the ball hooks too late and I miss the pocket. But I'm working at it.
Based on what I see in your video, my understanding is that as the armswing brings the ball close to the lane above and a little bit beyond the foul line by your ankle, the wrist brings the fingers to the side of the ball, the thumb deploys first and the two fingers spin the ball giving it that "hook" and leave last. Am I right?
+++ Watch Mike Fagan and Bill O'niel and pay attention to their respective follow-throughs. Fagan crosses his face while O'niel comes straight into his shoulder and both have success at the highest level. It is what comes naturally to them and their game creates that follow-through without forcing anything. Attempting to alter it will be more of a detriment than a positive in my opinion. If you want to change your direction you have to change your approach/swing to accomlish that.
I wish someone could take a slow motion video of my releases so I could actually see what my hand is doing. I’m going to be in a tournament in less than 2 weeks. I switched from underhanded to suitcase release because the former was hurting my middle finger.
Your follow-through is simply an extension of everything else you have built up until the point of release. The best thing to do is to simply attempt to "chase" the ball with your follow-through and just let it go naturally along your swing path. Making your follow-through go in front of your face doesn't really accomplish much, you more just want a natural extension in whatever direction natural is. +++ (To be continued lol)
A good place to go for this is to upload the video to youtube and then put the link on bowlingcommunity(dot)com in the "videos" section within the forums. There are many coaches on that site (including myself) that would be glad to help.
Hi Michael. I would like to ask, what do you create when you use the release at 0:45 , where the arm goes left and across the face to the right. However, whenever I use that release, I would pull the ball left. What should I do to prevent myself from pulling the ball left?
Tyler Stine, I am most definitely 3/4 roller, my PAP is 5.25x1 up. a full-roller would have their hand completely on top of the ball with the thumb closest to the ankle and the fingers outside of that. Thanks for watching!
sk8sbowlingreviews your thumb is releasing on the top left portion of the ball when it comes off your hand almost simultaneously with your fingers but slightly sooner to get a roll on the ball 3/4 rollers release on the right side of the ball or closer to the opposite side of their feet
Tyler Stine, search UA-cam for some of the PBA releases in slow motion, the goal is to work the inside of the ball (closest to ankle) and not the outside.
I thought the idea was to keep it behind until just before you release, then do a little twist of the wrist? Pros seem to do it slightly different? Like in this video they seem to "push" the rotation sideways
Typically it's a minimal twist. Keeping your hand behind the ball as long as you can then uncupping the wrist with a slight turn. Doing it that way gives you more power and rotation.
No matter what I do I cannot get my ball to rotate like this. Im getting a hook ball soon but Idk if I'll be able to hook it if I don't get rotation. Any pointers on how to help create rotation?
There are a lot of things that could be causing you to lack rotation. My suggestion would be to film a video and post it to one of the many great bowling forums (I personally like bowling community) and ask for advice on there. Most of those sites have awesome coaches that would be more than willing to break your game down.
This is spin too u wanna stay behind the ball for a heavier roll ..and whoever said this is a full roller lmfao ..u just saw that one Asian dude bowling hammer stuff and it says full roll haha a full roll is when your track is between fingers and thumb..dummies
CleSwag24, Actually spin is when the rotation axis moves vertically towards the top of the ball (spinning like a top), what you see here is axis rotation. I have less than five degrees of axis tilt (spin) but about 75 degrees of axis rotation. You can think of it like a bicycle tire. Turning the handlebars on a bicycle is rotation . Tilt is leaning the bike into a corner. Hope this helps.
I hired a videographer to come out and do a shoot for this video. He brought the camera, lighting, and all the equipment so I am unsure of exactly what camera was used.
After watching this a couple times and recreating it as much as I could at my local lanes....I already improved my release and upped my high game! Thanks!
No problem, glad I was able to help!
Thank you for sharing your insights on proper release, I appreciate the sliding foot timing to the coming of the hand at release , as well as its distance to each other for power. Finger position among others. More Power to you.
Thanks for the advice, Michael, I really appreciate it. :)
You save my game I went back to this release after seeing your video its a old school Pete Weber release easy on the wrist an elbow and very consistent Thanks good video do more slow motion
oh,this video can improve my throwing.Thank you^^
although this vid is almost 3 yrs old, still i find it very useful for me to learn how to really rev the ball up. currently the ball i'm throwing is more like "spinning" instead of "hooking" - maybe due of my tendency to spin a ball (a norm in asia). my lack of wrist strength didnt help as well.
looking forward to apply your technique ASAP. thanks mike for this awesome video!
Glad to hear it. Thanks for the kind words!
Awesome!!!
this is very helpful, thanks!
Glad I could help!
you are correct, good breakdown!
Oh I so see it ... much thanks! :)
Thank you!
Hi. To generate higher rews you should stay longer in the inside ( left side of the ball). It's called "working the inside" if you want to look for it on the internet.
You can also see it here Analysis of the Modern 10-Pin Bowling Swing and Release by Dean Champ (starting at 6:00)
And plus the two fingers that give it that hook and leave last give it that "ball spin rotation."
This was taken by a professional videographer (I had to pay to have them come out) so I am not sure of the exact model of camera used but I will give you what I know.
The video camera was a full sized cinema style camera and is capable of shooting up to 300 fps in full HD, 1200 fps in SD.
Sorry for my lack of information.
WOW! i was looking for someone who bowls similar to me to find out what i was doing wrong! this vid is gonnna be perm on my phone for reference!
That is pretty accurate, as long as you are considering the clock to be standing up straight at the foul line and not laying down on the floor.
So if I understand where you are placing the "imaginary clock" then I would say your comment is accurate.
If you imagine the ball as a clock (looking from straight behind the ball along your intended target line) you want your fingers to be at about 7 o'clock as the ball begins to clear the thumb and about 5 o'clock as the fingers begin to release from the ball.
Glad it helped!
They are the Storm SP2-900s.
I see what he is doing. I know what to do. But when I actually release the ball, I don't thing it's all going quite right. One thing I notice is that if I throw at a slower speed the bowling ball is much more likely to hook in the right spot, but of course, I'm sacrificing power. And if I throw too hard, the ball hooks too late and I miss the pocket. But I'm working at it.
Correct, the fingers are what imparts the revolutions on the ball, not the arm or hand.
I also play off of the side of the ball however, I'm told often that I need to be inside of the ball?
mike your the best! i want to be you some day soon! storm is the best company and i want to represent them just as hard as you!! nice video :)
Why thank you very much, hope to see your name on our staff email list soon!
Based on what I see in your video, my understanding is that as the armswing brings the ball close to the lane above and a little bit beyond the foul line by your ankle, the wrist brings the fingers to the side of the ball, the thumb deploys first and the two fingers spin the ball giving it that "hook" and leave last. Am I right?
+++
Watch Mike Fagan and Bill O'niel and pay attention to their respective follow-throughs. Fagan crosses his face while O'niel comes straight into his shoulder and both have success at the highest level. It is what comes naturally to them and their game creates that follow-through without forcing anything. Attempting to alter it will be more of a detriment than a positive in my opinion.
If you want to change your direction you have to change your approach/swing to accomlish that.
I wish someone could take a slow motion video of my releases so I could actually see what my hand is doing. I’m going to be in a tournament in less than 2 weeks. I switched from underhanded to suitcase release because the former was hurting my middle finger.
Then follow through completing the armswing.
plus, do the same two fingers give the ball that certain spin by rotating at "11 o'clock" in a counterclockwise motion?
What type of camera did you use for filming this?
Your follow-through is simply an extension of everything else you have built up until the point of release. The best thing to do is to simply attempt to "chase" the ball with your follow-through and just let it go naturally along your swing path. Making your follow-through go in front of your face doesn't really accomplish much, you more just want a natural extension in whatever direction natural is.
+++ (To be continued lol)
holy sidespin
A good place to go for this is to upload the video to youtube and then put the link on bowlingcommunity(dot)com in the "videos" section within the forums. There are many coaches on that site (including myself) that would be glad to help.
Hi Michael. I would like to ask, what do you create when you use the release at 0:45 , where the arm goes left and across the face to the right. However, whenever I use that release, I would pull the ball left. What should I do to prevent myself from pulling the ball left?
@Marcus Png • There's plenty of information on UA-cam to help you with your problem. Goodluck.
Hello,
Which is the tenpin bowling which to learn to play with a help.
Thank you
What bowling shoes are you wearing?
I'm talking about sagatboaling guy
full roller? I can't see that being a 3/4 roll the way you come out of it if so I'd love to see the flare track
Tyler Stine, I am most definitely 3/4 roller, my PAP is 5.25x1 up.
a full-roller would have their hand completely on top of the ball with the thumb closest to the ankle and the fingers outside of that.
Thanks for watching!
sk8sbowlingreviews your thumb is releasing on the top left portion of the ball when it comes off your hand almost simultaneously with your fingers but slightly sooner to get a roll on the ball 3/4 rollers release on the right side of the ball or closer to the opposite side of their feet
Tyler Stine, search UA-cam for some of the PBA releases in slow motion, the goal is to work the inside of the ball (closest to ankle) and not the outside.
Wait... so do I keep my hand behind the ball or to behind and to the side like the video? Aaaaaah!
I thought the idea was to keep it behind until just before you release, then do a little twist of the wrist? Pros seem to do it slightly different? Like in this video they seem to "push" the rotation sideways
Typically it's a minimal twist. Keeping your hand behind the ball as long as you can then uncupping the wrist with a slight turn. Doing it that way gives you more power and rotation.
No matter what I do I cannot get my ball to rotate like this. Im getting a hook ball soon but Idk if I'll be able to hook it if I don't get rotation. Any pointers on how to help create rotation?
There are a lot of things that could be causing you to lack rotation.
My suggestion would be to film a video and post it to one of the many great bowling forums (I personally like bowling community) and ask for advice on there. Most of those sites have awesome coaches that would be more than willing to break your game down.
what ball is that?
The ball I am using in the video is the Storm Lucid.
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i have posted a video on the bowling forum, would you mind critiquing me?
is this the actual way to release a hook ball?
93hothead NO!
This is spin too u wanna stay behind the ball for a heavier roll ..and whoever said this is a full roller lmfao ..u just saw that one Asian dude bowling hammer stuff and it says full roll haha a full roll is when your track is between fingers and thumb..dummies
CleSwag24,
Actually spin is when the rotation axis moves vertically towards the top of the ball (spinning like a top), what you see here is axis rotation.
I have less than five degrees of axis tilt (spin) but about 75 degrees of axis rotation.
You can think of it like a bicycle tire. Turning the handlebars on a bicycle is rotation . Tilt is leaning the bike into a corner.
Hope this helps.
What camera did you use to capture this video?
I hired a videographer to come out and do a shoot for this video. He brought the camera, lighting, and all the equipment so I am unsure of exactly what camera was used.