It seems that many commenters didn’t understand the assignment... they simply stated their personal opinions of which horn either they liked better when they played or which horn the players used on the records they preferred. In your tests here, there was no question, in all passages, YOU sounded better on the older 2B. Better slotting, better tone, and surprisingly, a considerably better low end. I’ve been playing my 1960s HN White King 2B Silversonic since
Crap! It posted too soon! I was saying, I’ve been playing my 1960s Silversonic 2B since it was new. I use a 1960s Conn 3 mouthpiece these days and get a richer sound than I did with my Schilke Friedman 47 back in college. But, just because I prefer to play a 2B, my opinion wasn’t the assignment. Your playing sounded consistently better on the 2B than on the 3B.
The 2B has great protection in the upper register and is great for lead playing in a big band, but the 3B seems to have a more even sound all around and would blend better in a combo setting or as a solo instrument. You really can’t go wrong either way, as many fantastic players have shown! Would love to see some small-bore Bach comparisons! 16, 12, 6, etc
I have played both the 2B and 4B for over 45 years. Now I am convinced they all sound beautiful. It sounds like the 3B is wide open and free throughout all registers.
So glad to view this! Just bought a 2B (not here yet!) and was second guessing myself. Not any more. The 2b is for my lead jazz/commercial work and the sound is more condensed and has the more noticeable higher overtones. The 3 B has the mellower sounds with potential for brightening “a bit” which I can get with my Bach 42B on a schilke mouthpiece easily. Thanks for the thorough demo back-n-forth. Shows I def made the right choice to complement my bach 42 with the King 2b. Now I just need to sell my Olds Recording!
Wow, it's like you read all our collective minds about the 2B or 3B struggle. Tough call, am going to have to watch this a few more times. Thank you so much for making this video.
I own both - 2b Silversonic, circa '59 and a 3b Silversonic early 70's. The 2b I've used when I'm playing lead for the slightly brighter clarity. lately I've been playing the 3b more just because I find it's a little more free blowing. I also use the 3b when playing in musicals - a better blend, for me anyway. I'm not a 'pro' player, just a high school player who's kept playing (40+ years). Now I'm trying to up my game a bit - really appreciate your channel and will circle back once I've spent some time on the basics I know I should have been doing but was to busy having fun playing when I could. keep up the noble work!
You sound like me. I've owned my 1964 2B silver sonic since 1999. Lately, I've decided to get a backup horn and chose a 1961 3B Silver Sonic. I decided to add some variety and thought the 3B would really mix things up well. I'm like you - just a high school player that kept playing another 30 yrs lol. I'm glad there is a really nice community concert / jazz band near me...
This video is a trip because I was literally having this Convo with a trombone friend not even 12 hours ago. The 3B has a nice tone but the 2B just feels lighter to play. At the end of the day, it's all about preference. But my answer is 2B
I had both of these instruments back in the day. The 2B was an incredible instrument. The 3B was more difficult to play and not as responsive for my style of play. I eventually traded for a 3B with an f attachment which somehow made it a better horn. I would love to have a 2B again.
First, let me say, I really like your sound on both instruments. It's difficult to tell much difference over my computer speakers. I have a 2B Silversonic and a 3B Silversonic with F attachment. The 3B is by far my favorite of the two. I also have a 6B bass which I am getting used to more and more. I'd like to find a King alto, but these are really rare. Saw one on eBay awhile back, but it sold quickly. Keep up the good work!
I thought the difference would be bigger. I guessed wrong, at times, in a blind test, even though I’ve been playing a king 2b for 15 years. The lower register are more fragile on the 2b.With your subtone sound, it works. With a clear sound, the difference would be more noticeable. Thanks for the video
It sounds like you enjoy the 2b more, part of what makes it more pleasant to hear. They both have excellent but different sounds, but the 2b seems to do what you are having it do more accurately and easily making for an easier and more accurate tone production.
Paul, another great video, that I enjoyed immensely. Definately 6 and two 3s between theose two. At times particularly later on in the video with my eyes closed I could not tell which was which. I think maybe the 3B sounds bigger and less bright and needs a technique to play, fill and slot. As for better, with your choice of music I go 2B but with other music I could be choosing 3B. Thanks again, an interesting comparison.
Thanks, Paul! Both have their sweet-spots: 2B lead jazz; 3B ensemble playing. I'm a huge fan of King trombones. I've owned a few over the years (3B Concert - 4B Sonorous - 6B Silver Sonic Duo Gravis)
I think it comes down to the style of music you are playing. I've always like the sharpness of tone the 2B gives. Great for Jazz where you want to scream and have quick movements. The 3B has such a warm tone so Big Band and/or Orchestral is it's hot spot, in my humble opinion
This is the first time in a video, comparing the 2, where I can finally see the difference. So, for me it sounds like I prefer the 3b over the 2b, but only slightly and I'll explain why. First, it sounds like the 3b resonates just a little bit more than the 2b and seems to be able to fit more in different play styles from what I have seen from other videos as well. Also, the 3b sounds wonderful in the high registers as well giving it a very full sound without giving too much bite (which, again, falls under which sort of play style you are looking for in band settings). The 2b also sounds fantastic in the high register, but has that bite that would be great for punchy jazz music. Lastly, the amount of projection that the 3b has versus the 2b is extremely noticeable. So, with the 2b, it seems like it is super responsive and that when you play the notes are just "out there" for lack of better terms. With the 3b, it sounds like you have to give it more effort in order for it to really sing, which I really appreciate in a horn. Yes you can play softly on both, but the fact that the 3b can really hold it back versus the 2b where the notes just want to come out really settles the difference for me.
I've always thought of the 2B more of a lead or studio horn...the 3B as a small group, section or jazz horn....great video...I think they both like small mouthpieces...you sound better on the 3B because your playing a 6AL...the 2B wants a 12C or a V cup... NICE...
I think both of these horns are amazing, I own a 1945 3B Liberty edition. It is a little warmer than the traditional 3B I believe. I feel the 3B is a well rounded horn in general. The intonation on the 2B sounds better to me, but not sure if I can pinpoint exactly why.
It's pretty subtle here, but I prefer your sound on the 2B. There's a little more bite to the articulations. For myself, I've owned a 2B, 3B, and 3B SilverSonic. Really enjoyed them all. Found that the 2B was a little harder to play in the high range, weirdly. My 3B SilverSonic sounded great, but it was a very dark, lush sound, and the heavy silver bell just made it very front-heavy. Now playing a straight 3B.
In my opinion, the 2b is exelent in upper register as the solo instrument in combo. 2b have more direct raw tone than 3b which is much more smothly. In my opinion 3b is more versatile to play aronud different styles and bands or orchestras. I play more than 25 years King 4b gold brass bell. Its somehow between basst to 3b. Sound is darker, projection is not bad, as i worked in a different grounds (orchestras, combos, circus) i foud it just perfect for my work (can be load, dark sound, verry good for dif interpretations of sound etc.). It is interesting why just a few fellows played at this horn. I was greatly influenced from Kenny Car sound and also from your master prof. who prefer bigger horn too. Have a great New Year 2022 Paul! Respect and Regards, Franci.
I have 1945 liberty 2B and 1980's 3B and l love them both.I don't think it's a matter of which one sounds better, they both sound great and respond in different ways. The 2B is great for solo work and the 3B is well suited for big band section work as lead or down the line.
Both horns have a beautiful tone; the 3B - a darker, more lush quality, and the 2B - a little brighter projection with a slight edginess. My personal preference for versatility would be the 3B. I’ve been using an Anniversary model (1893-1993) with Sterling Silver bell for about 25 years. It’s my main jazz, big band, and cover band horn. I occasionally use a Urbie Green Martin when playing lead in a big band. I use a Schilke 47 on either horn. Overall, the 3B gets my vote.
I go with the 2B. I have a 4B with the f attachment and the David Taylor Bass Trombone by Getzen. I think the 2 B would fir my needs not because I am in Big Band and Jazz like never before. Thank you for this. Carole
The 2b sounds better for you, at least to my ears. I tried a 3b once and it left me blah. Found happiness with an Olds Recording- lots of character, can handle my bass trombonist over blowing tendencies on smaller equipment.
The 2B is much more compact, and just more punchy, more bite. The 3B was a bit more lush, warmer, with some bite when you needed it. Great comparison. I felt you slotted better on the 2B at times.
I managed to find an old King 2B, misidentified as a King 606, on sale for $90 at a pawn shop a few years ago. I bought it right away, put a bit of elbow grease and $50 of repair work into it (the slide wasn't in the best shape and was misaligned), and it is easily the best small bore trombone I've ever played, even if the lacquer has seen better days. Honestly, they both sound wonderful! The 3B seems slightly mellower to me, while the 2B is brighter but not stridently so. I think the difference in the sound isn't so much a matter of which one is better or worse and simply personal preference/what sort of sound you're going for. Since I do mostly ska/rock stuff, the 2B calls to me more, but if I were doing more jazz, I'd probably want to grab a 3B as well.
2B more Dorsey; 3B more Miller. Articulation seems clearer and quicker on the 2B, and nicer soaring high range on the 2B. 3B is maybe meatier. I played a Conn 10H as a jazz horn for decades and then added a 1939 2B Silvertone several years ago when I found myself playing a lot of big band lead and needed something with more projection. I still love the sound of the 10H for combos and recording.
OK. Admittedly I am biased in that I have owned a 1953 KING 2B Liberty for forty years. I had it reconditioned; its a classic. I love its responsiveness. My Impressions of the SOUND comparison is that the 3B seems a bit more mellow and slightly fuller, while the 2B seems a bit 'sharper' or a little more penetrating. I know the 3B has a larger bore and can 'carry' farther. But I loved hearing you play the 2B, " 'cause that's what I got".
I think I like the 3Bs clarity and flexibility slightly more than the 2B but I'm not sure. To My ear, they seem pretty evenly matched. I believe that if I were choosing between the two, my choice may come down to each Horn's playability and how they fit my technique,etc.
Paul you haven’t played a trombone that hasn’t sounded excellent anyway. That said, the 2B speaks better, the 3b sings better. Oddly enough the 2b be with the smaller bore has more Fidelity in the lower ranges. The 2b is more jazz sounding to my ear. If you were going to play “lush Life” I’d want to hear it on the 2B, Misty on the 3b. Love your channel, Paul. Stay creative with your channel it’s always nice to tune in to see what you’re doing.
The 3B has a darker, more covered sound, and the 2B has more presence. I think the 2B is a perfect lead horn, while the 3B is better for “in the section” and combo work. Both sound to be very flexible.
Perhaps the 3b, which bell tone sounds full. But I think the 2b sounds "quicker" perhaps a bit on the dry side and I think a soloist might prefer the quick die off of dry note.
To me they sound very close. I really can't tell any difference. I have a 2b I have had since 1955 when I was in high school. Tommy Dorsey played the 2b. It's a great horn.
I think it was easier for you to articulate 2b, but 3B you appear to be more in the moment like it was something new and a little bit lower. So if it's a paying gig 2B if you are established in a gig and just want to have fun bring both.
I’d like to know your thoughts about Thomann alto trombones. I have been playing tenor for a while and I want to switch completely to alto. Would you recommend that I start with Thomann Classic TEB480 GL?
I think they sound almost like the same horn but in 2 different sizes. The 3B more open and the 2B more compact. I prefer the more compact sound and feeling. A few months ago I tried two vintage Conn horns. One 30H and one 32H from the early 40s - the "Burkle Duo-Bores" - and it felt just like the same horn in two different sizes. Same feeling and the same sound with one more open and the other a more compact character.
Hi..Im wanting to try my hand at trombone. I'm not a student. I'm 58. Been a percussionist all my life. I adapt to new things easily. Have watched several beginner Utube videos. What is your overall opinion of a good trombone that will stay in tune...I've read John Packer is a good one. Let me know..Thank you.
@@PaulTheTrombonist I think the Liberty 2B has a slightly nuanced sound than the 3B… I tend to like the breadth of sound from larger bore horns, but the sound conveyed when you played the liberty had a deeper core of sound and articulation.
Paul! I just wonder if there any difference in playing these two horns? Does this 3B requires more air/breathe for instance or does this 2b bring up more contra pressure, so somewhat less responsive?
Hello. In my opinion and experience (I have both, none from HN White I must said...) and by far I prefer the 3B ... I think that it's tone quality is superb... it round and full sound, so nice, with that core and sweetness (if you desired).. The 3B will be better in almost any settings... I can't think on nothing that you can play on the 2B that it would be not possible on the 3B ... And the 3B is also a remarcable free blowing trombone, not so compressed as the 2B .. and I think this is true both in the sound and in the easiness of playing... I mean... the 3B is also a more "user friendly" instrument. -Hugo
I own both instruments and both are fine horns Think you sound better on the 2B It's unbeatable for lead playing and small group work I use my 3B for big band section work and commercial playing like R&B bands Please keep up the good work w your channel!
I have a 2b but I think I want a 3b too. Do you think that’s ok to have both? I also love your bac trombone. Maybe I need that instead of a 3b. Ok I love your videos. Thanks for what you do here.
@@PaulTheTrombonist Englisch (UK) I'm more of a fan of the 3b because I just like the sound more. Personally, I would go for the 3b in a big band because I'm not a lead trombonist. But since I play in a classical wind orchestra and usually play 2 or 3 trombone, I currently play a King 4b. Our other trombonists play an Edwards bass trombone, a Bach 42G and a Conn 88H. I think we sound really great in this set among American trombones.
Like them both, I would use them in different places. 2b for Lead , 3b for more section type playing. Both are excellent in their own way. Please continue the B series horns, if you can!
Ok I don’t play trombone, my son does, but I love the instrument. My -with a grain of salt- opinion, the 2b sounds more mellow and controlled, the 3b sounds more free and open. You can hear more of what’s going on at the mouthpiece with the 3b. I prefer the tone of the 2b.
The 2B. The 3B seemed stuffy in the low register. The question is which one is more playful? I've played a couple of horns that seemed to enjoy being played, that were playful. Playful in the sense that they were playing with you and not that you were playing them. They were more enjoyable and that made me sound better.
@@PaulTheTrombonist Urbie Green was always my favorite trombonist and he mostly used a King 2B. I have heard that "The Green Monster," Urbie's trombone he used for his electric stuff, was a 3B. Dave Steinmeyer, on a Facebook post, told me that even on Urbie's Martin TR4501 signature horn, that Urbie had the Martin bell section adapted to fit a 2B slide. I love the TR4501 as it came from the factory with the .500 bore slide. I have a tendency to overblow a 2B because of the .481/.491 bore size and the 7 & 3/8" bell, but it sounds so beautiful when Urbie plays it. The .508 3B feels a little large. The Martin is just right to me. Steinmeyer said Larry Ramirez designed the Martin TR4501. Ramirez did a lot of horns for famous players including Miles Davis and Maynard Ferguson.
Thanks Paul lov what u do , but this is ridiculous who can tell the difference whats the purpose,, oh Paul has to much time on his hands maybe , he djunds good on anything.
@@PaulTheTrombonist not the remix or whatever I'm talking about this one ua-cam.com/video/2rZ5rGabK9s/v-deo.html Bonus question, what's your range currently at?
@@PaulTheTrombonist definetly 2b. It has a warmer tone in my opinion. I've never been a person for a bright tone so the 3b sounded just average. The 2b took the cake for me. I did like the lower range for the 3b better than the 2b though. Side note, what's your opinion on the university of alabama trombone choir? They're having a trombone day soon with a guest player, barry hearn. I cant find anything about him. I can only find a boxer by the same name.
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It seems that many commenters didn’t understand the assignment... they simply stated their personal opinions of which horn either they liked better when they played or which horn the players used on the records they preferred.
In your tests here, there was no question, in all passages, YOU sounded better on the older 2B. Better slotting, better tone, and surprisingly, a considerably better low end.
I’ve been playing my 1960s HN White King 2B Silversonic since
Crap! It posted too soon!
I was saying, I’ve been playing my 1960s Silversonic 2B since it was new. I use a 1960s Conn 3 mouthpiece these days and get a richer sound than I did with my Schilke Friedman 47 back in college. But, just because I prefer to play a 2B, my opinion wasn’t the assignment. Your playing sounded consistently better on the 2B than on the 3B.
@@popinmid I appreciate your well thought out comment. Thank you so much!
The three b is super sharp. Its obnoxious, I've always liked the 2 b better
The 2B has great protection in the upper register and is great for lead playing in a big band, but the 3B seems to have a more even sound all around and would blend better in a combo setting or as a solo instrument. You really can’t go wrong either way, as many fantastic players have shown!
Would love to see some small-bore Bach comparisons! 16, 12, 6, etc
Thanks! Great ide!
*idea
I have played both the 2B and 4B for over 45 years.
Now I am convinced they all sound beautiful. It sounds like the 3B is wide open and free throughout all registers.
So glad to view this! Just bought a 2B (not here yet!) and was second guessing myself. Not any more. The 2b is for my lead jazz/commercial work and the sound is more condensed and has the more noticeable higher overtones. The 3 B has the mellower sounds with potential for brightening “a bit” which I can get with my Bach 42B on a schilke mouthpiece easily. Thanks for the thorough demo back-n-forth. Shows I def made the right choice to complement my bach 42 with the King 2b. Now I just need to sell my Olds Recording!
Wow, it's like you read all our collective minds about the 2B or 3B struggle. Tough call, am going to have to watch this a few more times. Thank you so much for making this video.
I own both - 2b Silversonic, circa '59 and a 3b Silversonic early 70's. The 2b I've used when I'm playing lead for the slightly brighter clarity. lately I've been playing the 3b more just because I find it's a little more free blowing. I also use the 3b when playing in musicals - a better blend, for me anyway. I'm not a 'pro' player, just a high school player who's kept playing (40+ years). Now I'm trying to up my game a bit - really appreciate your channel and will circle back once I've spent some time on the basics I know I should have been doing but was to busy having fun playing when I could. keep up the noble work!
You sound like me. I've owned my 1964 2B silver sonic since 1999. Lately, I've decided to get a backup horn and chose a 1961 3B Silver Sonic. I decided to add some variety and thought the 3B would really mix things up well. I'm like you - just a high school player that kept playing another 30 yrs lol. I'm glad there is a really nice community concert / jazz band near me...
This video is a trip because I was literally having this Convo with a trombone friend not even 12 hours ago. The 3B has a nice tone but the 2B just feels lighter to play. At the end of the day, it's all about preference. But my answer is 2B
Thanks for your comment
I had both of these instruments back in the day. The 2B was an incredible instrument. The 3B was more difficult to play and not as responsive for my style of play. I eventually traded for a 3B with an f attachment which somehow made it a better horn. I would love to have a 2B again.
First, let me say, I really like your sound on both instruments. It's difficult to tell much difference over my computer speakers. I have a 2B Silversonic and a 3B Silversonic with F attachment. The 3B is by far my favorite of the two. I also have a 6B bass which I am getting used to more and more. I'd like to find a King alto, but these are really rare. Saw one on eBay awhile back, but it sold quickly. Keep up the good work!
I thought the difference would be bigger. I guessed wrong, at times, in a blind test, even though I’ve been playing a king 2b for 15 years. The lower register are more fragile on the 2b.With your subtone sound, it works. With a clear sound, the difference would be more noticeable.
Thanks for the video
I was starting high school band and wanted to choose a instrument and came across this channel and you are so helpful. #paulthetrombonist 4 life
You are awesome!! Thank you
It sounds like you enjoy the 2b more, part of what makes it more pleasant to hear. They both have excellent but different sounds, but the 2b seems to do what you are having it do more accurately and easily making for an easier and more accurate tone production.
cool. thanks for your ears!
Paul, another great video, that I enjoyed immensely. Definately 6 and two 3s between theose two. At times particularly later on in the video with my eyes closed I could not tell which was which. I think maybe the 3B sounds bigger and less bright and needs a technique to play, fill and slot. As for better, with your choice of music I go 2B but with other music I could be choosing 3B. Thanks again, an interesting comparison.
Thank you 🙏. Very nice to hear your thoughts .
Thanks, Paul! Both have their sweet-spots: 2B lead jazz; 3B ensemble playing. I'm a huge fan of King trombones. I've owned a few over the years (3B Concert - 4B Sonorous - 6B Silver Sonic Duo Gravis)
Thank you, Paul !
Both sound very good !!
But i prefer King 2B
Because it sounds a little brighter.
In my opinion
Thank you for leaving your thoughts!
I think it comes down to the style of music you are playing. I've always like the sharpness of tone the 2B gives. Great for Jazz where you want to scream and have quick movements. The 3B has such a warm tone so Big Band and/or Orchestral is it's hot spot, in my humble opinion
cool, thanks!
I agree
The 3B should definitely never be used in an orchestral setting. Lol. It is definitely a horn designed exclusively for jazz.
This is the first time in a video, comparing the 2, where I can finally see the difference. So, for me it sounds like I prefer the 3b over the 2b, but only slightly and I'll explain why. First, it sounds like the 3b resonates just a little bit more than the 2b and seems to be able to fit more in different play styles from what I have seen from other videos as well. Also, the 3b sounds wonderful in the high registers as well giving it a very full sound without giving too much bite (which, again, falls under which sort of play style you are looking for in band settings). The 2b also sounds fantastic in the high register, but has that bite that would be great for punchy jazz music. Lastly, the amount of projection that the 3b has versus the 2b is extremely noticeable. So, with the 2b, it seems like it is super responsive and that when you play the notes are just "out there" for lack of better terms. With the 3b, it sounds like you have to give it more effort in order for it to really sing, which I really appreciate in a horn. Yes you can play softly on both, but the fact that the 3b can really hold it back versus the 2b where the notes just want to come out really settles the difference for me.
I've always thought of the 2B more of a lead or studio horn...the 3B as a small group, section or jazz horn....great video...I think they both like small mouthpieces...you sound better on the 3B because your playing a 6AL...the 2B wants a 12C or a V cup...
NICE...
Thanks
I think both of these horns are amazing, I own a 1945 3B Liberty edition. It is a little warmer than the traditional 3B I believe. I feel the 3B is a well rounded horn in general. The intonation on the 2B sounds better to me, but not sure if I can pinpoint exactly why.
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️. Thanks you for the comparison.
thanks for watching and stopping by!
which one sound you like better?
It's pretty subtle here, but I prefer your sound on the 2B. There's a little more bite to the articulations. For myself, I've owned a 2B, 3B, and 3B SilverSonic. Really enjoyed them all. Found that the 2B was a little harder to play in the high range, weirdly. My 3B SilverSonic sounded great, but it was a very dark, lush sound, and the heavy silver bell just made it very front-heavy. Now playing a straight 3B.
thank you for your wise observations John
my fav brand. Looking for a perfect 1965 King 2B Silversonic.
In my opinion, the 2b is exelent in upper register as the solo instrument in combo. 2b have more direct raw tone than 3b which is much more smothly.
In my opinion 3b is more versatile to play aronud different styles and bands or orchestras.
I play more than 25 years King 4b gold brass bell. Its somehow between basst to 3b. Sound is darker, projection is not bad, as i worked in a different grounds (orchestras, combos, circus) i foud it just perfect for my work (can be load, dark sound, verry good for dif interpretations of sound etc.).
It is interesting why just a few fellows played at this horn.
I was greatly influenced from Kenny Car sound and also from your master prof. who prefer bigger horn too.
Have a great New Year 2022 Paul!
Respect and Regards,
Franci.
I have 1945 liberty 2B and 1980's 3B and l love them both.I don't think it's a matter of which one sounds better, they both sound great and respond in different ways. The 2B is great for solo work and the 3B is well suited for big band section work as lead or down the line.
Very cool, thanks
Both horns have a beautiful tone; the 3B - a darker, more lush quality, and the 2B - a little brighter projection with a slight edginess.
My personal preference for versatility would be the 3B. I’ve been using an Anniversary model (1893-1993) with Sterling Silver bell for about 25 years. It’s my main jazz, big band, and cover band horn. I occasionally use a Urbie Green Martin when playing lead in a big band. I use a Schilke 47 on either horn.
Overall, the 3B gets my vote.
Cool, thanks! Would be interesting to compare the yellow grass with silver bell 🛎. One day hopefully
I go with the 2B. I have a 4B with the f attachment and the David Taylor Bass Trombone by Getzen. I think the 2 B would fir my needs not because I am in Big Band and Jazz like never before. Thank you for this. Carole
awesome, thanks for the nice feedback
The 2b sounds better for you, at least to my ears. I tried a 3b once and it left me blah. Found happiness with an Olds Recording- lots of character, can handle my bass trombonist over blowing tendencies on smaller equipment.
The 2B is much more compact, and just more punchy, more bite. The 3B was a bit more lush, warmer, with some bite when you needed it. Great comparison. I felt you slotted better on the 2B at times.
Awesome insights , thanks!
I managed to find an old King 2B, misidentified as a King 606, on sale for $90 at a pawn shop a few years ago. I bought it right away, put a bit of elbow grease and $50 of repair work into it (the slide wasn't in the best shape and was misaligned), and it is easily the best small bore trombone I've ever played, even if the lacquer has seen better days.
Honestly, they both sound wonderful! The 3B seems slightly mellower to me, while the 2B is brighter but not stridently so. I think the difference in the sound isn't so much a matter of which one is better or worse and simply personal preference/what sort of sound you're going for. Since I do mostly ska/rock stuff, the 2B calls to me more, but if I were doing more jazz, I'd probably want to grab a 3B as well.
Thanks for you insights
Not to dis your 2B but a 606 was one of the best horns I've played.
@@douglasfur3808 Oh, absolutely. They just happen to be inexpensive student horns that are easy to come by in a pawn shop.
2B more Dorsey; 3B more Miller. Articulation seems clearer and quicker on the 2B, and nicer soaring high range on the 2B. 3B is maybe meatier. I played a Conn 10H as a jazz horn for decades and then added a 1939 2B Silvertone several years ago when I found myself playing a lot of big band lead and needed something with more projection. I still love the sound of the 10H for combos and recording.
You have a lot more centred sound with the 2B . You absolutely suit the 2B more.
thank you for your thoughts
OK. Admittedly I am biased in that I have owned a 1953 KING 2B Liberty for forty years. I had it reconditioned; its a classic. I love its responsiveness. My Impressions of the SOUND comparison is that the 3B seems a bit more mellow and slightly fuller, while the 2B seems a bit 'sharper' or a little more penetrating. I know the 3B has a larger bore and can 'carry' farther. But I loved hearing you play the 2B, " 'cause that's what I got".
I think I like the 3Bs clarity and flexibility slightly more than the 2B but I'm not sure. To My ear, they seem pretty evenly matched. I believe that if I were choosing between the two, my choice may come down to each Horn's playability and how they fit my technique,etc.
First off, awesome. You could make a kazoo sound great. I find the 3B has just a little less edge than the 2B.
Muito bom, mas pelo que vi acho que o 2B sai melhor no agudo, foi o que me pareceu..Mas os 2 são ótimos!!Parabéns pelo vídeo 👏👏👏👏
Paul you haven’t played a trombone that hasn’t sounded excellent anyway. That said, the 2B speaks better, the 3b sings better. Oddly enough the 2b be with the smaller bore has more Fidelity in the lower ranges. The 2b is more jazz sounding to my ear. If you were going to play “lush Life” I’d want to hear it on the 2B, Misty on the 3b.
Love your channel, Paul. Stay creative with your channel it’s always nice to tune in to see what you’re doing.
Nice thoughts and thanks for the generous words! Thank you
The 3B has a darker, more covered sound, and the 2B has more presence. I think the 2B is a perfect lead horn, while the 3B is better for “in the section” and combo work. Both sound to be very flexible.
Perhaps the 3b, which bell tone sounds full. But I think the 2b sounds "quicker" perhaps a bit on the dry side and I think a soloist might prefer the quick die off of dry note.
To me they sound very close. I really can't tell any difference. I have a 2b I have had since 1955 when I was in high school. Tommy Dorsey played the 2b. It's a great horn.
I think it was easier for you to articulate 2b, but 3B you appear to be more in the moment like it was something new and a little bit lower. So if it's a paying gig 2B if you are established in a gig and just want to have fun bring both.
I’d like to know your thoughts about Thomann alto trombones. I have been playing tenor for a while and I want to switch completely to alto. Would you recommend that I start with Thomann Classic TEB480 GL?
Never tried those yet
I think they sound almost like the same horn but in 2 different sizes. The 3B more open and the 2B more compact. I prefer the more compact sound and feeling.
A few months ago I tried two vintage Conn horns. One 30H and one 32H from the early 40s - the "Burkle Duo-Bores" - and it felt just like the same horn in two different sizes. Same feeling and the same sound with one more open and the other a more compact character.
very interesting! thanks for your insights
Hi..Im wanting to try my hand at trombone. I'm not a student. I'm 58. Been a percussionist all my life. I adapt to new things easily. Have watched several beginner Utube videos. What is your overall opinion of a good trombone that will stay in tune...I've read John Packer is a good one. Let me know..Thank you.
Love the 2b !! Team 2b
Have you ever thought of doing a comparison of two intermediate f-attachment trombones? Like the King 607/8F and your BAC F-attachment?
Great idea! Which horn sound you like better on this video ?
@@PaulTheTrombonist I think the Liberty 2B has a slightly nuanced sound than the 3B… I tend to like the breadth of sound from larger bore horns, but the sound conveyed when you played the liberty had a deeper core of sound and articulation.
@@benjaminfraser2535 thank you so much for your feedback
I think for Paul the 2B sounds better, it’s smoother.
Paul! I just wonder if there any difference in playing these two horns? Does this 3B requires more air/breathe for instance or does this 2b bring up more contra pressure, so somewhat less responsive?
2b much easier to play (also easier to over blow)
3b more back pressure (little harder to play) more air , but darker and fuller tone
@@PaulTheTrombonist Thank you Paul. I guess I´ll stick to my Olds Super dual bore, because this seems a nice compromise. :)
Hello. In my opinion and experience (I have both, none from HN White I must said...) and by far I prefer the 3B ... I think that it's tone quality is superb... it round and full sound, so nice, with that core and sweetness (if you desired).. The 3B will be better in almost any settings... I can't think on nothing that you can play on the 2B that it would be not possible on the 3B ... And the 3B is also a remarcable free blowing trombone, not so compressed as the 2B .. and I think this is true both in the sound and in the easiness of playing... I mean... the 3B is also a more "user friendly" instrument. -Hugo
I own both instruments and both are fine horns
Think you sound better on the 2B
It's unbeatable for lead playing and small group work
I use my 3B for big band section work and commercial playing like R&B bands
Please keep up the good work w your channel!
Thank you Clarence!
I have a 2b but I think I want a 3b too. Do you think that’s ok to have both? I also love your bac trombone. Maybe I need that instead of a 3b. Ok I love your videos. Thanks for what you do here.
its okay to have both. thanks for the nice words
Can you also make a video about the King 4b trombone. It would be very nice.
Greetings from Germany 👋
Cool, never tried yet. Which sound did you like better 2b 3b?
@@PaulTheTrombonist Englisch (UK)
I'm more of a fan of the 3b because I just like the sound more. Personally, I would go for the 3b in a big band because I'm not a lead trombonist. But since I play in a classical wind orchestra and usually play 2 or 3 trombone, I currently play a King 4b. Our other trombonists play an Edwards bass trombone, a Bach 42G and a Conn 88H. I think we sound really great in this set among American trombones.
@@paulemken4512 cool!
3B. Richer, warmer, and fuller tone.
Thank you for your insights!
Usually its the musician who gets the right sounds from the instrument regardless of brand or model.
I agree
Although some can make the journey easier on the musician than others
@@PaulTheTrombonist I agree with you!
Is important also the emotional feedback of the sound you heard and get and depence also the character of the instrument.
If playing Tommy Dorsey, 2B. If playing JJ Johnson, 3B.
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That’s a great comparison!
2B for me !
Like them both, I would use them in different places. 2b for Lead , 3b for more section type playing. Both are excellent in their own way.
Please continue the B series horns, if you can!
Cool, thanks!
Try the 2b slide on the 3b thats what i heard on an interview with JJ Johnson say thsts what he did
Do you use same mouth peace?
I've always preferred the 2 b to the 3b, the 3b to me has always sound sharp and a little off.
Ok I don’t play trombone, my son does, but I love the instrument. My -with a grain of salt- opinion, the 2b sounds more mellow and controlled, the 3b sounds more free and open. You can hear more of what’s going on at the mouthpiece with the 3b. I prefer the tone of the 2b.
2B for Urbie Green fans and 3B for JJ Johnson fans
True, I wonder what JJ would of sounding like on a 2b? 🤔
Martin Urbie Green for Urbie Green fans.
The 2B. The 3B seemed stuffy in the low register.
The question is which one is more playful?
I've played a couple of horns that seemed to enjoy being played, that were playful. Playful in the sense that they were playing with you and not that you were playing them. They were more enjoyable and that made me sound better.
Thank you for your thoughts! Interesting way to look at it, never thought of it that way but makes sense! “They are playing us”! Love that
The 2B have a bright sound the 3B has a dark warm sound
2B, But it really depends on the playing, which seems a bit inconsistent, so hard to compare truly.
2B... or not 2B. That is the question.
😂it had to be done! :)
2b. Seems free blowing than 3b. With more focus and Better intonation
I this comparison I liked the 2b better. More how I like a trombone to sound, more presence.
Thanks for your thoughts
Honestly, I can't tell too much of a difference. They sound a bit different, but I don't know what I prefer.
cool , thanks for your thought
3B
Is the 3b slider widee on the 3b then the 2b?
Yes it’s considerably bigger
@@PaulTheTrombonistlike just the slides or the hand slides itself is wider then the 2b
Isn't there a difference between mouthpieces you should use when using a 2B or 3B? To get the most out of it?
The mouthpiece is use is designed for most work from lead to orchestral
2B!
thanks for the comment
@@PaulTheTrombonist Urbie Green was always my favorite trombonist and he mostly used a King 2B. I have heard that "The Green Monster," Urbie's trombone he used for his electric stuff, was a 3B. Dave Steinmeyer, on a Facebook post, told me that even on Urbie's Martin TR4501 signature horn, that Urbie had the Martin bell section adapted to fit a 2B slide. I love the TR4501 as it came from the factory with the .500 bore slide. I have a tendency to overblow a 2B because of the .481/.491 bore size and the 7 & 3/8" bell, but it sounds so beautiful when Urbie plays it. The .508 3B feels a little large. The Martin is just right to me. Steinmeyer said Larry Ramirez designed the Martin TR4501. Ramirez did a lot of horns for famous players including Miles Davis and Maynard Ferguson.
for you: definitely the 2b 😊
Where can I buy that banana
Not for sale 😂
I think you sound better on 2B
Thank you for your thoughts!
3B более звучащий,звонкий и плотный...мне так показалось...2B более матовый"темный звук"
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Different tools for different jobs.
2B sounds more sexy
As the recording microphone is so close the comparison becomes less obvious. Shame.
Thanks Paul lov what u do , but this is ridiculous who can tell the difference whats the purpose,, oh Paul has to much time on his hands maybe , he djunds good on anything.
Did you fake the 7 octaves 5 years ago? The people in the comments said you did but you dont seem like that kind of person.
yes the highest octave where my head exploded was a joke. the others were real
@@PaulTheTrombonist not the remix or whatever I'm talking about this one
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Bonus question, what's your range currently at?
@@trombonetribute6433 ya same video just no head explode. What trombone do you think sounds better on this video?
@@PaulTheTrombonist definetly 2b. It has a warmer tone in my opinion. I've never been a person for a bright tone so the 3b sounded just average. The 2b took the cake for me. I did like the lower range for the 3b better than the 2b though.
Side note, what's your opinion on the university of alabama trombone choir? They're having a trombone day soon with a guest player, barry hearn. I cant find anything about him. I can only find a boxer by the same name.
@@trombonetribute6433 cool , thanks for your thoughts. I haven’t heard of that but you know me, I love anything with trombone involved!
Trombones ok, but the guy talks too much. Cut the trash and play.