Definitely need a part 2! Major cities like New York, Philly, Chicago, El Paso, Virginia Beach, Charlotte, Reno, Providence, even Boston, and smaller ones like Savannah, the Quad cities, South Bend, Evansville, and Spokane
The tax situation in Vancouver, Washington is really beneficial. You can have no income tax in Washington and do most of your shopping in Oregon to avoid sales tax.
The funny thing is that WA has no tax on food at stores so that is about the same on both sides, but if you order items online/Amazon/ebay to get that tax free you need a friend/family living on the Oregon side to collect the packages for you I guess? I am sure people do that, 10% is not a small amount for more expensive item. You buy a $1000 laptop online, can save $100, not bad. Restaurants/fast food is taxed of course in WA so for a nice bite to eat it might be worth driving over, but there are such nice restaurants like in Camas so would be missing out. Not that I eat out much, I make most food myself but every week or two we eat out mostly on the weekend.
Some Mexican/Canadian metros also blend in with some US ones, so you should talk about those (San Diego and Tijuana, Detroit and Windsor, El Paso and Juárez, Seattle and Vancouver)
Was about to comment this! Seattle's doesn't quite reach into Vancouver like the other cities listed, but you could definitely include Niagara Falls (US & CA), Mexicali/Calexico, Matamoros/Brownsville, Reynosa/McAllen, and Laredo/Nuevo Laredo. Mexico's got a lot lol
Definitely have to cover Charlotte, NC in the next installment. The largest city across state lines in SC, Rock Hill, is also the 5th largest city in the state of SC, so definitely a large population on both sides of the border. We even have theme park that spans both sides of the border and serves both halves of the metro.
My friend lives in extreme southern Charlotte. And whenever I visit it’s really funny to me how the boundary between NC and SC seems so random and arbitrary. Just driving around we enter and exit each state multiple times. In fact, he actually works at SC, which is maybe 5 minutes away from his home in NC
To be completely honest, I'm shocked Charlotte isn't on this list. The differences between North Carolina and South Carolina have always had their biggest clashes in the Charlotte metro/Metrolina area, from everything from industrialization to the Civil Rights Movement to Covid.
@@stacyr2775 I definitely noticed a stark political differences in which state people move to in the area. People who lean left tend to move to NC while people who lean right tend to move to SC (especially Fort Mill/Tega Cay/Indian Land)
Chicago IS ON THE STATE LINE! I was born and raised in Hammond, Indiana, the far northern part of which is directly attached to Chicago! The extreme SE of Chicago is adjacent to Indiana.
Probably not a big enough city to make the cut but I’d love to hear the King of Geography discuss my hometown Davenport, IA and the Quad Cities metro area!
Great video! But at 0:58 you mention Chicago. The southwest Chicago city boundary is the Indiana state line. Lots of folks live in "the Region" and consider themselves part of the Chicago metro area, if not exactly "Chicagoland" itself.
I’m one of these people and my entire life I’ve never really viewed either area as really separate or different, NW Indiana just being an extension of Chicagoland.
I spent a weekend recently going between Cincy and Louisville for the first time (and hung out with some friends in southern Indiana as well), and changed state lines at least 15 times. It's crazy how you can easily do that there
Another thing with Arkansas with Memphis is that there's only two bridges across the Mississippi River and there's no alternative for a long distance. Traffic can get pretty bad on those bridges. With regards to metros split across states, the split I find most interesting is Columbus, GA. It's the main metro I think of with a time zone split technically (but not practically). The most populous portion of the combined statistical area has also now switched to the state opposite to where the bulk of the metro area lives.
One of the first things you learn when you move to the Alabama side of the Columbus metro area is fast time and slow time. Phenix City and Russell County function on Eastern time, and the people and businesses follow suit, but Lee County stays on Central time since Auburn and Opelika are the main cities. Things start to get strange in between Smiths Station and Opelika as the people who function on both time zones overlap, so you start to hear people talk about fast time for Eastern time and Columbus or slow time for Central time and Auburn-Opelika. Sometimes even my smart phone can't keep up when I am in the area because it can't figure out if it is supposed to be on fast or slow time.
St. Croix and Pierce Counties, so New Richmond, River Falls, Prescott along with Hudson. It is amazing how fast those schools and cities are growing in that area.
Spectacular analysis Kyle. This is squarely in my wheelhouse of interest since I received a world almanac around age 10. Severe geography nerdiness ensued! A Part II is a must, please!
Definitely need to do Philly in part two, or go smaller for a Texarkana too. Great stuff, as always though! Then do an updated int'l version for El Paso, Juarez; San Diego, Tijuana; etc.
KC resident here. My wife has lived here her whole life, and there are still times she won't know which side of the state line we're on since the demarcation line is just a street. If you aren't familiar with the area, it can be easy to not realize when you've crossed the state line.
Recently Sioux Falls has fallen into this category as well. It includes the South Dakota counties of Lincoln, McCook, Turner, & Minnehaha. As of July 2024 it now includes the Minnesota county of Rock.
Even Indiana's other large cities (not Indy) bleed into other states too. Fort Wayne into Ohio, South Bend/Elkhart into Michigan, Evansville into Kentucky
@ It feels like it from a fan perspective. Indy is definitely still a colts city but go south and most people are bengals fans and anything north of Lafayette is bears fans
I like how Walker County has two very different sides with the folks on the mountain and then the folks in LaFayette. Great county for caving with Ellison's Cave having the deepest pit in North America and all the karst on Pigeon Mtn.
I know people that live in Vancouver WA, everyone there does the bulk of their shopping in Portland so they have a win-win situation, no property tax and no sales tax!
That’s income tax they still have property taxes. The value of land in Clark county Washington is lower than the value of land on the Oregon side. Therefore their property taxes are usually lower for a comparable home. Many people moved from the Oregon side to the Washington side to reduce their taxes. The biggest problem for these people who live in Washington and work in Oregon is the traffic congestion on their commute. There are two bridges that span the river in the city and the traffic is the worst in the metro area. Everything is a balancing act and yes the Washington residents who work in Oregon pay Oregon income tax.
Did you know that when you drive from Detroit Michigan to Ontario, Canada that you're going South. When you enter Canada from the Ambassador Bridge. How crazy is that?
A few Georgia cities are also border metros: Augusta (611K), Savannah (405K), and Columbus (329K). Would be interesting to see an analysis of those, especially with Augusta and Savannah both stretching into South Carolina.
Columbus,GA and Augusta,GA are smaller metros that are split along state lines. You can almost say that Savannah's metro includes neighboring counties in SC with the Bluffton/Hilton Head Island area being within 30-40 minutes of Savannah.
Some other urban areas crossing state lines that are interesting: - El Paso, TX-NM-Mexico - New York, NY-NJ (CT is separate urban area per Census) - Philadelphia, PA-NJ-DE-MD - Hagerstown, MD-PA-WV-VA - Omaha, NE-IA - Fargo, ND-MN Also lots of examples of international metros, like Detroit, or San Diego.
From my experience living in Cincy, the main reason NKY is growing vs the Ohio side of Cincy is housing costs. There is significant development in the “outskirts” of NKY and you are still closer to downtown than a lot of developing suburbs in Ohio
Interesting video - but want to point out a couple of errors in regards to the DC area. The metro DC area officially includes the 3 counties in the Eastern Panhandle of WVA and the MARC commuter train includes 2 WV stations - so it spans 3 states and DC. In addition, the MD state income tax also includes a separate additional tax that goes to the counties - the rate varies depending on county. "Local officials set the rates, which range between 2.25% and 3.20% for the current tax year (2023). So the income tax in MD is higher than just the basic state tax shown in the chart. That being said, the real property taxes tend to be higher in VA for several reasons - one of which is that the houses on the VA side tend to be more expensive. Also, VA has the much hated personal property tax (cars mostly) and MD does not have this. So, overall, I think the tax burden for the average family is about the same between VA and MD and DCs taxes are much higher - but, as you point out - a lot of high income people live in DC itself.
The auto industry is big on both sides of the Detroit River. A few others have mentioned Windsor Ontario Canada in this thread. But please don’t forget that Jeep headquarters is across the Ohio line from the Detroit suburbs in Toledo.
Another issue with the DC area is that the housing stock and overall development tends to be newer in the Virginia suburbs vs. the Maryland suburbs. Other than the close-in areas like Alexandria VA, much of the Virginia suburbs really weren't developed until the '70s-80's or after, vs. much of the Maryland suburbs that were developed soon after WW II.
@@R32R38 nah NYC metro doesnt hit PA. the philadelphia and NYC metros have a pretty short gap in the center of NJ but NJ gets really rural in the northern part around PA
Lol, I was getting all exited, thinking you were going to mention my city because Downtown Norfolk is about 20 minutes from the North Carolina border, but then you mentioned that exurbs don't count.😿 yah, Moyock, Elizabeth City, and Kitty Hawk are way out there and are probably far enough outside the event horizon that we might as well be Richmond to them.
Up in the 51st state I live in Ottawa, Ontario, right on the border with Gatineau Quebec. The Ontario side has 76% of the the population of the Ottawa - Gatineau CMA, with the Quebec side having the other 24%
I'm from St Louis. When I attended Mizzou in the early 1970's I had a roommate from Kansas City Mo, He lived off Ward Parkway, south of 86th St., two blocks from State Line Road. Missouri's drinking age is 21. In Kansas, you could by 3.2% beer at eighteen. My friend told me in high school, they'd cruise State Line. The Kansas side had a liquor store on every block. They'd buy beer in Kansas. Most times. as soon as they crossed back to Missouri, the police would be waiting for them. Unless they were fools, the worst that would happen was have their beer confescated. I frequently visited Kansas City, staying at my friend's family home. We'd cruise State Line and can attest there seemed to be a Kansas City police car parked on the Missouri side across from every liquor store on the Kansas side.
That's not a thing, at least in the past 30 years. I lived in Brookside (kind of a streetcar suburb but within the city of KCMO). It's amazing how many times a week, or even a day you would cross back and forth between MO and KS. The gas tax is cheaper in MO, so most gas stations near the state line will be on the MO side. And State Line Road in the south part of the metro becomes a rather large arterial street with 4-6 lanes.
I have visited the Portland-Vancouver area several times and have always wondered what sort of sales tax arbitrage goes on. People in Vancouver don’t pay income tax and can drive across the river to Portland for some large purchases such as household appliances, electronics, and other big ticket items. (This doesn’t work for cars which have to be registered in one state or the other and taxed accordingly.) I’m wondering if sales tax arbitrage is regarded as a problem just as a fact of life.
We may have been declining in population for over 7 decades at this point, but its only a matter of time until more people realize StL is the MOST underrated city in the world! :] Thanks for sharing as usual.
Apparently confusion about the two Vancouvers cause people to inadvertently cross into Canada. In one case 20 years ago, the border was shut down because a driver had a grenade in her glove compartment. It was reported her husband worked for the military. Authorities reopened the border and let her go after questioning.
Just wondering why you left out Chicago? I always thought Lake and Porter counties in Indiana were part of the Chicago metro. According to Wikipedia they are.
Detroit spans two states and another country. In practical terms Windsor, Toledo and Lansing are close enough to be part of the CSA but are never included. If they were Detroit would be a 7 million metro.
Charlotte and Rock Hill SC need to be on your next video. Savannah/Hilton Head NYC is an obvious one What about international metros? San Diego/Tijuana Detroit / Windsor Laredo
Portland and Vancouver are an amazing City to suburb relation with the difference of what each state has to offer. I've lived in both cities and they offer more living diversity to the region.
I grew up on the MD side of the DC suburbs and moved to Baltimore when I was in my 30s. Contrary to popular belief, the northeasternmost suburbs of DC and southwesternmost suburbs of Bmore don't blend in as much as people might be led to believe. When driving between the 2 cities, you can almost tell immediately where 1 Metro ends and another begins. There's a bit of a nature buffer between the two. But I'm inclined to believe that within 20 yrs DC and Bmore will truly become a blended Metro worthy of its 10 million population.
I lived in Brookside (kind of a streetcar suburb but within the city of KCMO). It's amazing how many times a week, or even a day, you would cross back and forth between MO and KS. The gas tax is cheaper in MO, so most gas stations near the state line will be on the MO side. And State Line Road in the south part of the metro becomes a rather large arterial street with 4-6 lanes. KC grows pretty equally on both sides of state line with the MO side growing slightly faster. It is true that Lawrence is close by though. No matter where you are in metro KC you will see nearly 50/50 Missouri and Kansas license plates. Rush hour on the interstates have a huge mass of MO people going to KS jobs and KS people going to MO jobs. I'm not sure there is another metro as split like KC is. And while KC is split pretty evenly as far as population, the core of the city, the skyline, the airport/union station, the culture, most attractions, the urban living options etc are nearly entirely on the MO side though. You can visit KC for a week and never really even set foot in KS and you would not miss much other than suburbia. The MLS team is in Kansas though.
KC's growth patterns have NEVER trended due West thru Kansas. Historically, the city grew East, then South on the MO side. New money then started to favor the SW side through Johnson County, KS and, most recently, suburbs north of the Missouri River in MO. Even to this day, Western Wyandotte County due west of Downtown KC is the least developed part of the entire Greater KC area. Kansas River flood Plains keep the east side of Lawrence KS (with Topeka by extension) from fully merging with western Johnson County SW of Downtown KCMO despite the proximity
Boston probably would be an interesting examination as well. Given the area is a relatively small geographic area, there are folks who commute from Rhode Island, New Hampshire, and even southern Maine to go into Boston every day to go to work. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are folks that live in northern Connecticut who do that commute too.
PA is too far from DC to be in the DMV. Jefferson County, West Virginia is part of the DMV. Adams, York and Lancaster counties, in part, can be considered part of metro Baltimore.
Hey Kyle. I don’t remember if you have ever said your opinion on suburb vs exerb. If not I’m curious to know. I live in Albertville MN and I’m not sure if it’s the closest small town or the farthest suburb.
There's always a grey area where it's hard to tell between the two, but I usually view exurbs as the outermost portions of the outermost counties that are considered part of the metro. There'll certainly be specific differences with each metro.
The population numbers are the surprising thing to me. I didn't know there are so many metros close to or over 1 million people. The little city i live close to has 30,000.
Definitely need a part 2! Major cities like New York, Philly,
Chicago, El Paso, Virginia Beach, Charlotte, Reno, Providence, even Boston, and smaller ones like Savannah, the Quad cities, South Bend, Evansville, and Spokane
Tri-state metros with over 1,000,000 people should be separate states. 🗽
@@Steveofthejungle8 where does va beach metro go into another state?
@ North Carolina!
@@Steveofthejungle8 not really it's pretty rural once you reach the NC state line.
The tax situation in Vancouver, Washington is really beneficial. You can have no income tax in Washington and do most of your shopping in Oregon to avoid sales tax.
And you can get your gas in either state depending on if you want to get out the car or not 😂
@@fl4ridaman True, to a point. One can pump their own gas in Oregon, or have the attendant do it. It's a duality.
When I lived in Oregon, if I bought something in Washington state I didn't have to pay sales tax.
The funny thing is that WA has no tax on food at stores so that is about the same on both sides, but if you order items online/Amazon/ebay to get that tax free you need a friend/family living on the Oregon side to collect the packages for you I guess? I am sure people do that, 10% is not a small amount for more expensive item. You buy a $1000 laptop online, can save $100, not bad. Restaurants/fast food is taxed of course in WA so for a nice bite to eat it might be worth driving over, but there are such nice restaurants like in Camas so would be missing out. Not that I eat out much, I make most food myself but every week or two we eat out mostly on the weekend.
You still have to pay the sales tax when you file your annual tax return
Fargo-Moorhead, Duluth-Superior, Omaha-Council Bluffs should be in part 2.
Some Mexican/Canadian metros also blend in with some US ones, so you should talk about those (San Diego and Tijuana, Detroit and Windsor, El Paso and Juárez, Seattle and Vancouver)
The corridor between Seattle and Vancouver is sparsely populated
Was about to comment this! Seattle's doesn't quite reach into Vancouver like the other cities listed, but you could definitely include Niagara Falls (US & CA), Mexicali/Calexico, Matamoros/Brownsville, Reynosa/McAllen, and Laredo/Nuevo Laredo. Mexico's got a lot lol
@@thistamndypoit's also a pretty decent drive between the two. They ain't close. I think it's at least 2 to 3 hours right?
He said he was probably going to do a part 2 so he probably will discuss the international ones...but nevertheless I agree.
El Paso also applies to this list since it borders New Mexico
Definitely have to cover Charlotte, NC in the next installment. The largest city across state lines in SC, Rock Hill, is also the 5th largest city in the state of SC, so definitely a large population on both sides of the border. We even have theme park that spans both sides of the border and serves both halves of the metro.
You beat me in support of Charlotte
My friend lives in extreme southern Charlotte. And whenever I visit it’s really funny to me how the boundary between NC and SC seems so random and arbitrary. Just driving around we enter and exit each state multiple times. In fact, he actually works at SC, which is maybe 5 minutes away from his home in NC
To be completely honest, I'm shocked Charlotte isn't on this list. The differences between North Carolina and South Carolina have always had their biggest clashes in the Charlotte metro/Metrolina area, from everything from industrialization to the Civil Rights Movement to Covid.
@@stacyr2775 I definitely noticed a stark political differences in which state people move to in the area. People who lean left tend to move to NC while people who lean right tend to move to SC (especially Fort Mill/Tega Cay/Indian Land)
Chicago IS ON THE STATE LINE! I was born and raised in Hammond, Indiana, the far northern part of which is directly attached to Chicago! The extreme SE of Chicago is adjacent to Indiana.
Yeah there are way too many people who seem to think Chicago is further north than it really is.
I'm thinking he was thinking from the WI state line, which is like 40 miles. Hello from WI.
He mentioned Chicago. It doesn't fit his description of this vudeo.
@@mikel2887It's quite a hike. I worked in Kenosha for a bit... It's like an hour and a half to downtown Chicago
@@jimroscovius Yes, it *_does_* fit his description; Kyle was simply unaware of the fact that Chicago has a border with Indiana.
chicago's southeastern border is on the Indiana state line, also looking forward to NYC and Philly in part 2!
Probably not a big enough city to make the cut but I’d love to hear the King of Geography discuss my hometown Davenport, IA and the Quad Cities metro area!
if you watch his Illinois state profile video he mentions it
Yeah, surprised he mentioned Memphis which barely has people across the river
@@fudhater8592 But borders Mississippi on the same side of the river and there are more people there.
Already can’t wait for part 2! Wonder if El Paso and Texarkana will be on it 😄
Maybe....
Great video! But at 0:58 you mention Chicago. The southwest Chicago city boundary is the Indiana state line. Lots of folks live in "the Region" and consider themselves part of the Chicago metro area, if not exactly "Chicagoland" itself.
I was thinking this, Northwest Indiana is definitely part of Chicagoland
I’m one of these people and my entire life I’ve never really viewed either area as really separate or different, NW Indiana just being an extension of Chicagoland.
Omaha is in Iowa and Nebraska. About 1.1 million in the greater area
I spent a weekend recently going between Cincy and Louisville for the first time (and hung out with some friends in southern Indiana as well), and changed state lines at least 15 times. It's crazy how you can easily do that there
Another thing with Arkansas with Memphis is that there's only two bridges across the Mississippi River and there's no alternative for a long distance. Traffic can get pretty bad on those bridges.
With regards to metros split across states, the split I find most interesting is Columbus, GA. It's the main metro I think of with a time zone split technically (but not practically). The most populous portion of the combined statistical area has also now switched to the state opposite to where the bulk of the metro area lives.
One of the first things you learn when you move to the Alabama side of the Columbus metro area is fast time and slow time. Phenix City and Russell County function on Eastern time, and the people and businesses follow suit, but Lee County stays on Central time since Auburn and Opelika are the main cities. Things start to get strange in between Smiths Station and Opelika as the people who function on both time zones overlap, so you start to hear people talk about fast time for Eastern time and Columbus or slow time for Central time and Auburn-Opelika. Sometimes even my smart phone can't keep up when I am in the area because it can't figure out if it is supposed to be on fast or slow time.
The twin cities metro does extend into Wisconsin. Hudson WI is considered a suburb.
St. Croix and Pierce Counties, so New Richmond, River Falls, Prescott along with Hudson.
It is amazing how fast those schools and cities are growing in that area.
Spectacular analysis Kyle. This is squarely in my wheelhouse of interest since I received a world almanac around age 10. Severe geography nerdiness ensued!
A Part II is a must, please!
Definitely need to do Philly in part two, or go smaller for a Texarkana too. Great stuff, as always though! Then do an updated int'l version for El Paso, Juarez; San Diego, Tijuana; etc.
Calixico-Mexicali is probably the most interesting one in terms of population
Chicago is indeed on a state line. The city borders Indiana to the east.
KC resident here. My wife has lived here her whole life, and there are still times she won't know which side of the state line we're on since the demarcation line is just a street. If you aren't familiar with the area, it can be easy to not realize when you've crossed the state line.
Chicago, extends into SE Wi and NE Indiana. The title should read little known Metro areas that extend into other states.
Recently Sioux Falls has fallen into this category as well. It includes the South Dakota counties of Lincoln, McCook, Turner, & Minnehaha. As of July 2024 it now includes the Minnesota county of Rock.
Growing up in sioux falls it has been cool to watch the growth. Every year is a new border
Kyle, thanks! Found this very interesting. I look forward your next video on these cities.
I find it interesting how many large cities bleed into Indiana. Chicago in the NW, Cincinnati in the SE, and Louisville straight South.
Crossroads of America is Indiana's motto.
Even Indiana's other large cities (not Indy) bleed into other states too. Fort Wayne into Ohio, South Bend/Elkhart into Michigan, Evansville into Kentucky
I always said the state of Indiana has at least 3 NFL teams; Bears, Colts, and Bengals.
@ It feels like it from a fan perspective. Indy is definitely still a colts city but go south and most people are bengals fans and anything north of Lafayette is bears fans
I Appreciate all the effort you put into these. Thanks, Kyle.
saw the Tennessee Aquarium in the thumbnail and had to see you thoughts on Chattanooga, didn't realize you live there. I'm from Walker County GA!
I'm in DC but have a home in Walker County. Wife and kids are down there this weekend.
I like how Walker County has two very different sides with the folks on the mountain and then the folks in LaFayette. Great county for caving with Ellison's Cave having the deepest pit in North America and all the karst on Pigeon Mtn.
Good shout aht on Pittsburgh. Its influence is felt south to Morgantown, NW to Youngstown and to the west in Steubenville, OH & Wheeling, WV.
I really enjoyed this video. Thank you. Your channel is always so informative, and interesting.
really interesting! would love to hear about towns on country borders too 😊
I know people that live in Vancouver WA, everyone there does the bulk of their shopping in Portland so they have a win-win situation, no property tax and no sales tax!
That’s income tax they still have property taxes. The value of land in Clark county Washington is lower than the value of land on the Oregon side. Therefore their property taxes are usually lower for a comparable home. Many people moved from the Oregon side to the Washington side to reduce their taxes. The biggest problem for these people who live in Washington and work in Oregon is the traffic congestion on their commute. There are two bridges that span the river in the city and the traffic is the worst in the metro area. Everything is a balancing act and yes the Washington residents who work in Oregon pay Oregon income tax.
You should cover Texarkana!
Or Anthony. You can only toke up in one half of the city lol.
There are even a few interstate towns, including Anthony, Texas and New Mexico; and the ghost town of Glenrio, TX and NM.
Bold shirt color today Kyle! I love it!
Did you know that when you drive from Detroit Michigan to Ontario, Canada that you're going South. When you enter Canada from the Ambassador Bridge. How crazy is that?
North Dakota and Minnesota have 3! Those being Fargo-Moorhead, Wahpeton-Breckenridge, and Grand Forks-East Grand Forks.
A few Georgia cities are also border metros: Augusta (611K), Savannah (405K), and Columbus (329K). Would be interesting to see an analysis of those, especially with Augusta and Savannah both stretching into South Carolina.
Darn, I was hoping for the CSRA. I've always been curious about this
Sioux City IA-NE-SD Metro is a small tri-state metro that's often overlooked!
I’d like to see a part 2 with some additions of cross country lines metros. El Paso and Buffalo come to mind
Please make another one of these videos so you can talk about New Jersey!!!😂
Columbus,GA and Augusta,GA are smaller metros that are split along state lines. You can almost say that Savannah's metro includes neighboring counties in SC with the Bluffton/Hilton Head Island area being within 30-40 minutes of Savannah.
Some other urban areas crossing state lines that are interesting:
- El Paso, TX-NM-Mexico
- New York, NY-NJ (CT is separate urban area per Census)
- Philadelphia, PA-NJ-DE-MD
- Hagerstown, MD-PA-WV-VA
- Omaha, NE-IA
- Fargo, ND-MN
Also lots of examples of international metros, like Detroit, or San Diego.
Good video! I'll be curious if Bristol TN and Bristol VA will be on the next installment.
From my experience living in Cincy, the main reason NKY is growing vs the Ohio side of Cincy is housing costs. There is significant development in the “outskirts” of NKY and you are still closer to downtown than a lot of developing suburbs in Ohio
Don’t forget that the big regional airport is in NKY.
Interesting video - but want to point out a couple of errors in regards to the DC area. The metro DC area officially includes the 3 counties in the Eastern Panhandle of WVA and the MARC commuter train includes 2 WV stations - so it spans 3 states and DC. In addition, the MD state income tax also includes a separate additional tax that goes to the counties - the rate varies depending on county. "Local officials set the rates, which range between 2.25% and 3.20% for the current tax year (2023). So the income tax in MD is higher than just the basic state tax shown in the chart. That being said, the real property taxes tend to be higher in VA for several reasons - one of which is that the houses on the VA side tend to be more expensive. Also, VA has the much hated personal property tax (cars mostly) and MD does not have this. So, overall, I think the tax burden for the average family is about the same between VA and MD and DCs taxes are much higher - but, as you point out - a lot of high income people live in DC itself.
Bristol, Sioux City, Charlotte, Augusta, Fargo, and the Quad Cities would be good to cover in a next video. Fargo is a stretch though.
Definitely gotta do a part two and include charlotte, nc in that video
The auto industry is big on both sides of the Detroit River. A few others have mentioned Windsor Ontario Canada in this thread. But please don’t forget that Jeep headquarters is across the Ohio line from the Detroit suburbs in Toledo.
I really enjoy your videos Kyle. I love to learn 😊
Thank you!
Love your videos! In 4 years, it would be awesome if you got out the maps and covered the election live. I’d watch the crap outta that!
Always interesting. Looking forward to NYC. NY-PA-NJ-CT
I can't believe you didn't cover Sioux City, IA, North Sioux City, SD, and South Sioux City, NE. The only metro area to directly cover three states!!
Philadelphia has PA, NJ, DE, and some MD depending on how far you want to stretch. Tons of people in NJ and DE are in PA everyday
You could also do an analysis of border cities such as El Paso-Juarez; San Diego-Tijuana, etc. Nice job!
The Bass Pro Pyramid. Nice
Thank you
Spokane - Courdalene is a good one for another video
I think it would be interesting to see the rate that each state grew since the suburb boom started.
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Another issue with the DC area is that the housing stock and overall development tends to be newer in the Virginia suburbs vs. the Maryland suburbs. Other than the close-in areas like Alexandria VA, much of the Virginia suburbs really weren't developed until the '70s-80's or after, vs. much of the Maryland suburbs that were developed soon after WW II.
How could you not include NYC? spans New Jersey, New York and Connecticut
And Pennsylvania to an extent.
@@R32R38 nah NYC metro doesnt hit PA. the philadelphia and NYC metros have a pretty short gap in the center of NJ but NJ gets really rural in the northern part around PA
@@sackofmonkeynutsPike County, PA is included in the NYC metropolitan area.
You overlooked the sprawling metropolis of Texaco, NM. Pop: 900
You should also do an honorable mention for Fort Smith, Arkansas, which is on the state line, with almost zero population on the Oklahoma side.
Try Bristol in Virginia and Tennessee. If you tell Google Maps to go from Bristol, VA to Bristol, TN, it tells you the distance is 3 feet.
"The classic 'Welcome to Mississippi' deterioration of the roads." Kyle's sardonic captions never fail.
Please recheck your Metro Chicago information. The city proper is also the state line for Indiana
Yes. Thank you for the correction.
In your part 2, you should consider Detroit/Windsor
Newport on the Levi in Ky is the BEST place to view Cincinnati, the airport is even in Florence
A long time ago, I dated a girl, Robin, and her mother had a place in Michigan. The border with Indiana was a block away.
You dismissed Chicago in your opening, but its far eastern border is the Illinois/Indiana state line. You should include Chicago in part 2.
Lol, I was getting all exited, thinking you were going to mention my city because Downtown Norfolk is about 20 minutes from the North Carolina border, but then you mentioned that exurbs don't count.😿 yah, Moyock, Elizabeth City, and Kitty Hawk are way out there and are probably far enough outside the event horizon that we might as well be Richmond to them.
Up in the 51st state I live in Ottawa, Ontario, right on the border with Gatineau Quebec. The Ontario side has 76% of the the population of the Ottawa - Gatineau CMA, with the Quebec side having the other 24%
New York and Philly are major ones, but I wonder if yoiu will consider San Diego-Tijuana as one
Love the new intro
I'm from St Louis. When I attended Mizzou in the early 1970's I had a roommate from Kansas City Mo, He lived off Ward Parkway, south of 86th St., two blocks from State Line Road. Missouri's drinking age is 21. In Kansas, you could by 3.2% beer at eighteen. My friend told me in high school, they'd cruise State Line. The Kansas side had a liquor store on every block. They'd buy beer in Kansas. Most times. as soon as they crossed back to Missouri, the police would be waiting for them. Unless they were fools, the worst that would happen was have their beer confescated. I frequently visited Kansas City, staying at my friend's family home. We'd cruise State Line and can attest there seemed to be a Kansas City police car parked on the Missouri side across from every liquor store on the Kansas side.
Not a thing anymore
My husband had surgery at the KU-Med Center, which is two blocks west of State-Line Rd. on 39th St.
That's not a thing, at least in the past 30 years. I lived in Brookside (kind of a streetcar suburb but within the city of KCMO). It's amazing how many times a week, or even a day you would cross back and forth between MO and KS. The gas tax is cheaper in MO, so most gas stations near the state line will be on the MO side. And State Line Road in the south part of the metro becomes a rather large arterial street with 4-6 lanes.
I have visited the Portland-Vancouver area several times and have always wondered what sort of sales tax arbitrage goes on. People in Vancouver don’t pay income tax and can drive across the river to Portland for some large purchases such as household appliances, electronics, and other big ticket items. (This doesn’t work for cars which have to be registered in one state or the other and taxed accordingly.) I’m wondering if sales tax arbitrage is regarded as a problem just as a fact of life.
We may have been declining in population for over 7 decades at this point, but its only a matter of time until more people realize StL is the MOST underrated city in the world! :] Thanks for sharing as usual.
"Let's start with Chatanooga, the metro where I live" Nobody ever said Geography King doesn''t have a bias!
Any chance you would include the inter-country metropolitan areas on part two? Namely Detroit and Buffalo/Niagara Falls.
Apparently confusion about the two Vancouvers cause people to inadvertently cross into Canada. In one case 20 years ago, the border was shut down because a driver had a grenade in her glove compartment. It was reported her husband worked for the military. Authorities reopened the border and let her go after questioning.
Just wondering why you left out Chicago? I always thought Lake and Porter counties in Indiana were part of the Chicago metro. According to Wikipedia they are.
Detroit spans two states and another country. In practical terms Windsor, Toledo and Lansing are close enough to be part of the CSA but are never included. If they were Detroit would be a 7 million metro.
Charlotte and Rock Hill SC need to be on your next video.
Savannah/Hilton Head
NYC is an obvious one
What about international metros?
San Diego/Tijuana
Detroit / Windsor
Laredo
Portland and Vancouver are an amazing City to suburb relation with the difference of what each state has to offer. I've lived in both cities and they offer more living diversity to the region.
Was wondering if there was a difference between the exurbs you mentioned and satellite cities
Yay Louisville mentioned
You missed Detroit. Spills into Windsor, Ontario. Canada.
Nashville has expanded to Kentucky 35 miles away.
I grew up on the MD side of the DC suburbs and moved to Baltimore when I was in my 30s. Contrary to popular belief, the northeasternmost suburbs of DC and southwesternmost suburbs of Bmore don't blend in as much as people might be led to believe. When driving between the 2 cities, you can almost tell immediately where 1 Metro ends and another begins. There's a bit of a nature buffer between the two. But I'm inclined to believe that within 20 yrs DC and Bmore will truly become a blended Metro worthy of its 10 million population.
I lived in Brookside (kind of a streetcar suburb but within the city of KCMO). It's amazing how many times a week, or even a day, you would cross back and forth between MO and KS. The gas tax is cheaper in MO, so most gas stations near the state line will be on the MO side. And State Line Road in the south part of the metro becomes a rather large arterial street with 4-6 lanes. KC grows pretty equally on both sides of state line with the MO side growing slightly faster.
It is true that Lawrence is close by though. No matter where you are in metro KC you will see nearly 50/50 Missouri and Kansas license plates. Rush hour on the interstates have a huge mass of MO people going to KS jobs and KS people going to MO jobs. I'm not sure there is another metro as split like KC is.
And while KC is split pretty evenly as far as population, the core of the city, the skyline, the airport/union station, the culture, most attractions, the urban living options etc are nearly entirely on the MO side though. You can visit KC for a week and never really even set foot in KS and you would not miss much other than suburbia. The MLS team is in Kansas though.
Be sure to cover the US/Canada city pairs, and the US/Mexico pairs.
KC's growth patterns have NEVER trended due West thru Kansas.
Historically, the city grew East, then South on the MO side. New money then started to favor the SW side through Johnson County, KS and, most recently, suburbs north of the Missouri River in MO.
Even to this day, Western Wyandotte County due west of Downtown KC is the least developed part of the entire Greater KC area.
Kansas River flood Plains keep the east side of Lawrence KS (with Topeka by extension) from fully merging with western Johnson County SW of Downtown KCMO despite the proximity
How about the NYC, Boston, Chicago, Spokane, Charlotte, and Detroit metros?
I didn't think the Detroit metro made it into Ohio. That would be the Toledo metro area.
Boston probably would be an interesting examination as well.
Given the area is a relatively small geographic area, there are folks who commute from Rhode Island, New Hampshire, and even southern Maine to go into Boston every day to go to work. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are folks that live in northern Connecticut who do that commute too.
Chicago is on the state line and northwest Indiana is heavily populated - not just exurban like in the cases of the twin cities or Pittsburgh
They've added Martinsburg WVA to the National Capitol Region due to train service between the city and DC.
What an absolute train wreck of morons in the comments, what's going on?
I enjoyed the video, looking forward to the possible part 2.
Texarkana would also be a good city to cover
The DC-Baltimore metro area includes DC, MD, VA, WV, and PA. And borders Delaware. That’s 6 states (if you consider DC a state).
DC and Baltimore are not a part of the same metro area, DC has a totally separate metro
PA is too far from DC to be in the DMV. Jefferson County, West Virginia is part of the DMV.
Adams, York and Lancaster counties, in part, can be considered part of metro Baltimore.
Hey Kyle. I don’t remember if you have ever said your opinion on suburb vs exerb. If not I’m curious to know. I live in Albertville MN and I’m not sure if it’s the closest small town or the farthest suburb.
There's always a grey area where it's hard to tell between the two, but I usually view exurbs as the outermost portions of the outermost counties that are considered part of the metro. There'll certainly be specific differences with each metro.
The population numbers are the surprising thing to me. I didn't know there are so many metros close to or over 1 million people.
The little city i live close to has 30,000.
5:13 think that maybe Interstate BBQ was previously a Pizza Hut?
Kyle, a few ideas I have is.....part 2 of this, plus could do cities or metros that are expecting to merge in future years