My father’s family was from Danzig where they had lived for centuries. His mother fled with her sons when the Russians approached. She escaped, but not one single family member that remained in Danzig survived. All were killed by the Russians.
And which peacefull countries were invaded, occupied, looted by your family members? Did they murder their Jewish neighbours? Did they murder many civilians? Member of the Wehrmacht, SS, Gestapo, NSDAP?
@@KK-rg1wz Your attempt to justify the deaths of innocents is simply despicable. This is the sort of vile hatred that encourages crimes against humanity. Examine yourself and your motives and find away to become human again.
@@KK-rg1wz Your callous ignorance and lack of humanity is spectacular. By your logic american civilians all deserve to die for the crimes of their leaders and Israelis are all guilty of genocide. Member of IDF?
Two young german soldiers were shot and buried in the forest near the village in Czech I go to. They were trying to get back across the border and home.
you reap the whirlwind. Hosea 8:7. BTW Hosea is simply another form of Hoshua. Which in Hebrew means SAVIOR. Oh you thought Jesus means savior ????? Jesus is the Greek form of Yah-hoshua or Yahshua, Jashua, Joshua (All the same meaning. Just different lettering.) The full translation means YAH is SAVIOR. Problem is few know what YAH means. Ayah asher ayah means I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE. YAH simply means I AM. Ergo . . . I AM is the Savior. And Yah created all things. Including the wind. In which we are simply DUST.
@@piehound I think fraserdk7433 was mainly referring to Bomber Harris's famous remark when he stated he would flatten Germany & the Germans had sowed the wind & in doing so would reap the whirlwind. As to the ancient or biblical meaning, I don't think fraserdk7433 has your elevated education level. Harris also said winning a war by bombing hadn't been done before & he was the one who would be the first to try & had the means to do it with
@@combtkid some would call the bible anything but " elevated. " And i admit it's mere ego and pride on my part to show off my very limited knowledge of the subject. Born in Germany Soviet zone 1949. Can you imagine how much i simply adore this old world we lovingly call "OUR PLANET" and all the wonderful folks on it ????
Germany lost vast areas in the East , due to Treaty Of Versailles post WW1. Add the break up of Austria-,Hungarian Empire , and the situation becomes more acute .The majority of Germanic population was not settlers post 39 , but ancient natives, caught by the post WW1 break up of E . Europe by Allies, who wanted to return to the Reich ,and voted to do so , under League Of Nations observation , pre British & French Declarations of War , September 3,1939. Danzig , Sudantandland , Silesia where vastly German populated . WWII & it causes , actions , conflicts are complicated , with horrifying situations for everyone.
Strangely enough the former danish queen Magrethe owend a huge farm over in preussiske but later on in the 1990 years declined the ownership due to politisk reasons
What report is really saying is that wars are never concluded cleanly and the fibers of civilization are torn up and take an extraordinary time to heal, if ever.
You imply that these Germans were new settlers in these lands and a tiny percentage of them were, but the vast majority where ethnic Germans who had lived in these places for centuries - the Volga Germans for example or the Prussians in what is now Poland. And the ethnic Germans in Bohemia go back as far as the Czechs themselves.
@Mike-zw7fq An execution atleast to me, is done by legal authorities and in an organized way. In war there is no such thing as murder, for example, a group of POWs lined up and killed via firing line is execution, a person, especially during peace time (the perpetrator is not a combatant if there is a war) kills another person, that could be considered murder. Though the first scenario could also occur during peace time (Without POWs), for example, before WW2 there were many senior soviet officers and high ranking personnel who were executed. I suppose it all just depends on the context.
I have been told that my father had been involved with the liberation of a Concentration Camp. He was an Army Officer with the American forces. His unit was not aware of the atrocities that had happened in the camps. His unit began taking care of the prisoners. A comment / order was made that stated “find anyone who weighs over one hundred pounds should be rounded up and held (arrested) he stated that there was some news coverage / film that was made of this situation. Any help in finding out more would be appreciated. He has the same last name as me - Milani
Well, you ignornat american, this video clip is not about that. It is about the time AFTER WWII when civilian germans were murdered by the millions. And the poles, russians and czechs stole the lands that the germans had inhabited for centuries.
@@3746463he is not ignorant at all. We all know what the video is about, you don’t gotta summarize anything. Is he not allowed to speak about his own father?
Usti was the German speaking city of Aussig until 1945. There were also many killings around Prague. The Sudetenland was "ethnically cleansed" and none were allowed to return. Similar killings also happened in Germany's eastern province that were given to Poland.
Sorry, the folks who were 3 -4 generation Poles, Romanians, and Czechs who happened to be of German ancestry or Saxon as they are called in Wallachia did not "Sow" what happened in Germany. Some fought in the Czech and Polish army. Most had nothing to do with it. America has paid restitution and acknowledged the incarceration of Japanese Americans. It is time to clear the air and acknowledge the injustice here.
I am very interested in this topic because I am from Germany, and I really enjoyed the content of the video, so I gave it a thumbs up. However, for future videos, if possible, I would prefer a more neutral accent, ideally in Queen's English. That would make my viewing experience much more enjoyable. Thank you
Kings accent. The commentary is however in reasonable middle English but perhaps not sufficiently upper class for our posh German friend. However respect for such a good knowledge of English.
What difference does it make about the accent of the UA-camr? No mention about the accent would make "my viewing experience much more enjoyable!" Thank you.
Very good book you could read :"Savage Continent" by Keith Lowe. Another of interest is "After Hitler" by Michael Jones, which tries to explain why Germany fought for that week between 30th April and 8(9)th May, causing huge hatred in lands east of the Elbe.
What is an eye for an eye got to do with killing your own citizens because they are of a certain ethnic heritage? Why don't you read about hidden history where 12 million were transported and two million died on the way to a country most had never seen.
Are you seriously suggesting that the mass expulsions of Germans at the end of WW2 were justified by nazi brutality and that they took place only in places that had been occupied by Naz Germany during the war? In fact, the mass expulsion of nearly 14 million Germans from their ancestral lands at the end of the war was a completely different affair to what you're trying to depict. It was the biggest forced mass migration in history. The eastern provinces of Silesia, Pomerania and East Prussia had been solidly ethnic German for five to six centuries, and even the Sudetenland, which you specifically cite, had been German for centuries, part of the Austrian realms and only became part of Czechoslovakia after 1919, only because the old boundaries of the Kingdom of Bohemia, part of the Austro-Hungarian empire, dictated so. Ethnically though, they were German lands, same as the provinces taken by Poland. Even the nearly two million Germans, invited by the Austrian Empress in the 18th century to populate the mainly empty lands along the Danube on what later would be Romania, Yugoslavia and Hungary, were expelled in a frenzy of violence. So, no, these millions of people were not indirectly guilty of nazi crimes, as you suggest, but overwhelmingly innocent civilians who paid the highest price. It is estimated that about two million perished during the wild part of these expulsions, including those who would starve in what was left of Germany, where hunger and disease reigned until 1948. I do understand how repugnant the nazi crimes were, and I share your revulsion and applaud the severe punishment of the perpetrators, but please understand that crimes committed against innocent German civilians were equally repulsive.
The boarder areas of Czech kindom were to a great deal occupied by Germans after centuries of German penetration into the Czech lands with suppression and assimilation of the Czech people. These Germans were citizens of Czechoslovakia with full citizen rights and priveledges. However, ofter the rice of nazis in Germany, these Czechoslovak citizens resorted to acts of sabotage and terrorism with support of the geat majority to break up the Czechoslovak state and join the Third Reich. They commited treason and were rigthfully expelled after the war to where they wanted to be, Germany. The limited acts of early violence against Germans after the war are not exusable, but understandable, considering the German attrocities during the war occupation. They were investigated and some perpetrators were punished, on a limited bases, considering the prevaling atmosphere at that time. Further removal of Germans were carried out in orderly fashion.
@@jiritichy7967 You're sugarcoating the Czech side of the story. That the Sudetenland was inside the borders of the Kingdom of Bohemia is irrelevant, because this wasn't an independent kingdom but a fief of the Austrian monarchy, and before the 19th century there wasn't an awareness of nationalism in most parts of Europe. I am not talking about German encroachment in the rest of Bohemia, but that wasn't the case in the Sudetenland, inhabited by Germans for centuries. Czechoslovakia, as you well know, was an artificial creation of post WW1, and it was born with the unreasonable burden of unwilling minorities, nearly 30% of its original population were Germans. Under the Treaty of St Germain, the peace treaty between the victorious powers and the Austro Hungarian empire, the new state of Czechoslovakia assumed the obligation of respecting the rights of their minorities, mostly German and Polish. Various reports from the League of Nations show that on the contrary the Prague government was appointing Czech only speaking officials in the region, including school teachers, and the pressure for Czechization was well documented. What kind of reaction would you expect from a large German minority, stuck by politics against their will behind the borders of a new country that showed no respect for their rights? The only missing piece in the puzzle was Hitler and his rabble rousing abilities to turn this population into active political opponents. In the end, it was this largely innocent group of more than three million people who paid a heavy price for something they were not personally guilty of and ended up as refugees in a destroyed land. But many didn't survive the violent expulsion, and what happened after the war had ended was absolutely terrible. The fact that these two peoples, German and Czech, with so much history in common, have been able to reconcile with each other and live in peace next to each other, is remarkable because it reminds us of the good side of human nature. But the truth is still the truth. What the nazis did was absolutely unforgivable, but they weren't the only ones with innocent blood on their hands.
@@sobelou Your lack of history knowledge is appalling! Czech kingdom was part of Holly Roman empire, a conglomerate to a great deal of independent states and its history covers over a thousand years. You again repeat the presence of Germans in the Czech kingdom for centuries, somehow you omitted that all those areas including what today is essentially East Germany, were before that occupied by western Slavs and Germans penetrated into these areas later. Where do you start your history? Further, Czechoslovakia was the only democratic country in central Europe and Germans had full citizen rights, as I pointed out earlier. There was nothing artificial about its creation, it was based on the historic Czech kingdom, joined by Slovakia. The greatest fallacy is your statement about these innocent Germans ending as refuges. Did you read about their activities before the war?! They overwhelmingly voted for Nazi affiliated Henlein''s party aiming at breaking the Czechoslovak state with treasonous acts. By the way, Germans with proven antifascist convictions were allowed o stay in Czechoslovakia after the war. Stop promoting revanchist propaganda of former Nazi followers! One more point: in villages with 50+% German population, there had to be a German school by law. Some of these villages were too small to have two schools, Czech children had no option but to attend the German school.
@@jiritichy7967 Bwahh!! Still evading the main point, namely that the German inhabitants of the Sudeten region had been living in those ancestral lands since the 13th or 14th century, and that the expulsion was brutal and violated all rules of humanity that were supposed to be the result of the victory over the criminal nazi rule.
The Treaty of Versailles was basically indentured servitude, loss of lands by Germany… considering it did not start WW1. However, Germany basically recovered a lot of the territories and then some like Austria. Then they got Czechoslovakia without waging war. Starting a war by invading Poland was reckless. Got lucky in the Battle of France. The ultimate stupidity of the Germans was invading USSR. Duh… did not learn from History? Napoleon? Sweden? Plus genocide. Lucky they were not all sent to Siberia after murdering millions of innocent people. .
Who do you imagine started WW1? Do you blame it on one angry Serb? Austria and Germany declared war on Serbia and they knew that would provoke Russia to follow. The rest is being repeated today in Ukraine... The Germans still haven't learned from history.
@@sherriziegel Historians still discuss who started WW1. There are three countries which are discussed: Serbia, as Serbs fired the first shoots. Russia because they were the first to mobilized. Austria-Hungary because they were the first to declare war. Germany made at the beginning the mistake of not taking the crisis seriously and started to try to defuse the crisis after it already escalating. Germany tried to stop the first WW as they did not think that they could win it. However, the treatment of Germany at the end of the first world war did not justify the attack on Poland or the occupation of Czechoslovakia after they got the Sudetenland peaceful by negotiation. Nor did it justify the attempted genocide of millions of people. The Nazi idelogy was just evil.
@@Factsmatter2000 'Serbia' did not 'fire the first shots'. Russia mobilizing it's army within its own borders is NOT an act of war. The Hapsburgs declaring war - now we're getting somewhere. What is there to discuss? Who said that the Brits deciding to give half of Czechoslovakia to the Nazis was a good idea? I have no idea what you are talking about or responding to.
I dispute your use of the term massacre. A massacre is, an indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of many people. There was nothing indiscriminate about what was done.
@@briannichols395 No, I think this is slanted to make it look like these people were totally innocent. Not the case. At all. See Murder of the Creoles of New Orleans 1935 to show this.
Nazis never called the symbol Swastika. It was result of mischevious translation of Mein Kampf by a British missionary who used the word Swasika to build a narrative about the Nazis being inspired by heathens, not by the church. The Nazis had always called the symbol "Hooked Cross."
Really! I suppose you believe that the crimes of the Allies JUSTIFY the crimes of the Nazis? You obviously don't read much. The victors carry out justice didn't you know.
Like so many people. Russia when they took lands from Germany. anyone who were part of the German government in charge found themselves and family in this situation. There is also tales of soldiers who fought for the Allies, England. Would think they would return back as hero's for fleeing to fight another day. Was shipped off to Siberia cause they was considered a threat to the Russians thinking and possible leaders of the people they could not take a chance to let stay.
We hear endlessly about Nazi activities, but very little regarding Japanese activities during this period, which were if anything more ruthless. Millions of Chinese were butchered, mainly with shovels & bayonets. The Germans at least are ashamed of their past, whereas the Japanese contend that they were attacked, and the victims. And cowardly Western media allows them to get away with it.
After Reinhard Heydrich was killed by British assisted Czech Nationals, the Nazis destroyed the town of Lidice in retaliation, murdering most of the residents.
Understandably, the ethnic Czechs were justifiably angry at what happened to their countrymen during WWII. But it doesn't excuse them for the indiscriminate killing of Germans after the war. Two wrongs don't make a right.
@@carlzeiss4871 No, you need to read about this period. THese were not Nazis in most cases they were not even Germans. They were czechs, Poles, and Romanians some of whom fought in the Polish, Czech, and romanian army but were ethnic germans living in these countries for centuries and had never been to Germany. Did the US send all its German Americans to live in Berlin after the War?
Nazis never called the symbol Swastika. It was result of mischevious translation of Mein Kampf by a British missionary who used the word Swasika to build a narrative about the Nazis being inspired by heathens, not by the church
@@griswald7156 How did "hooked cross" of Christians mysteriously get translated into English as Swastika (a Sanskrit word and Hindu symbol)? What is your point?
Currently, Israel seems bent on behaving like the nazis. They may want to considered what will happen once the tables are turned and such things as these occur.
Germany lost Pomeranian , Silesia and East Prussia to Poland and part of east Prussia to Russia which still holds these lands to this day . These lands were owned by Germans and were taken by Poland & Russia with no compensation to the owners so like the Jews they lost their land, their property and some their lives as atrocities were not just committed by the Germans but all sides especially the Russians . Try and find Prussia on any modern map today .
"like the Jews" - Are you seriously suggesting there is equivalence to what the victims of the Nazis suffered? That would be odd. Outrageous, actually.
@@Riskmangler So you believe that is is just fine to steal , rape , brutalize and murder civilians because of what the nazis did ? That attitude is why there are atrocities on all sides and that is called payback and I guess you are fine with that , right ?
Actually Hitler is the most evil and brutal man that ever existed. Stalin was a monster still a kid if you compare him to Hitler. And the sad part is that the vast majority of Germans supported that mad man. If I tell you that Hitler and his minions planned to torture and massacre babies and small children, you won't believe but they did. Mao nor Stalin ever dreamed of such evil acts but German soldiers and Hitler have no problem smashing babies and children into large rocks and trucks. As much as I like Germans today, I'm so glad that they lost Silesia and East Prussia. Why? Their grandfathers committed way too many atrocities and they needed to pay.
@@SSWiking-l4q You are the sick one cause the Germans committed way too many atrocities and needed to pay for their cruelties. Smashing the heads of millions of babies and children was just way too diabolical.
That's what the Germans said about the Jews and what the american settlers said about the natives and what Israelis say about the Gazans. If you want to live in a civilized world you can't justify mass murder.
Educate yourself, the holocaust was hidden from the German population. The allies forced German civilians to witness the camps after the war. There is footage of this
As Rodney King said can't we all just get along? Altough i can understand their anger. Have always said if women ran the world there would be no war, we would all just eat well
That's what the Germans said about the Jews and what the american settlers said about the natives and what Israelis say about the Gazans. If you want to live in a civilized world you can't justify mass murder.
@@sherriziegel At the very least, it has nothing on the numbers the Germans took in Eastern Europe. They used to stuff entire villages into barns and set them on fire for fun. I’m very sure those that got ended in the end had participated in early war atrocities, why else would they be so comfortable there?
Germany did not defeat the Czechoslovak army as you said. The country was signed over to Hitler after the Sudetenland was handed over and Hitler threatened to invade the remainder of the country.
I do not really understand why you seem so vested in this? When it comes to the actions of the NAZIS maybe two WRONGS do make a RIGHT. Wrong 1) the British Govt. handing over the Sudetenland… EVERYONE understands that this was an appeasement in hopes of peace YET do you think the Czech Govt. might have been even consulted? 2) you remarked, in excess, that the Czechs endured virtual constant horror under the Nazis…. By my count, wrong #1 plus wrong #2 wrong equals a RIGHT…the right of peoples to take a stand for themselves. I am again stumped by your vested interest in this; let me give you another example. The devastating bombing of London, then later, the devastation of Coventry and other British cities has been deemed justification for the bombardment of Hamburg, Dresden as well as other German cities; WAR is WAR. I thus again do not understand the intent of this video. YES the Czechs retaliated. Yes the British retaliated…and your point ? Might be me but do you think the German citizens in the Sudetenland where actually hospitable to the Czechs? I don’t recall historically that these Germans did anything but HEIL as the troops moved in and Czechs were throw out of their homes. HUM?
Many do not know about the war crimes and atrocities committed against innocent German civilians by the so called good guys. It's good for people to learn history
A War of occupation and oppression always leads to reprisals. Such is human nature.
And it is up to good governments with rational people to step in and prevent it not facilitate it.
Or perhaps, justice.
This is not human nature. There is no such thing. Nobody is born this way. This is learnt behaviour.
Israel/Palestine
My father’s family was from Danzig where they had lived for centuries. His mother fled with her sons when the Russians approached.
She escaped, but not one single family member that remained in Danzig survived.
All were killed by the Russians.
And which peacefull countries were invaded, occupied, looted by your family members? Did they murder their Jewish neighbours? Did they murder many civilians? Member of the Wehrmacht, SS, Gestapo, NSDAP?
@@KK-rg1wz Your attempt to justify the deaths of innocents is simply despicable.
This is the sort of vile hatred that encourages crimes against humanity. Examine yourself and your motives and find away to become human again.
tit for tat
@@Stephonix1st “Tit for tat”? Are you suggesting it’s ok to kill children and innocents because children and innocents were killed?
@@KK-rg1wz Your callous ignorance and lack of humanity is spectacular. By your logic american civilians all deserve to die for the crimes of their leaders and Israelis are all guilty of genocide. Member of IDF?
Two young german soldiers were shot and buried in the forest near the village in Czech I go to. They were trying to get back across the border and home.
You sow the wind...
you reap the whirlwind. Hosea 8:7. BTW Hosea is simply another form of Hoshua. Which in Hebrew means SAVIOR. Oh you thought Jesus means savior ????? Jesus is the Greek form of Yah-hoshua or Yahshua, Jashua, Joshua (All the same meaning. Just different lettering.) The full translation means YAH is SAVIOR. Problem is few know what YAH means. Ayah asher ayah means I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE. YAH simply means I AM. Ergo . . . I AM is the Savior. And Yah created all things. Including the wind. In which we are simply DUST.
Like the jews
@@piehound I think fraserdk7433 was mainly referring to Bomber Harris's famous remark when he stated he would flatten Germany & the Germans had sowed the wind & in doing so would reap the whirlwind. As to the ancient or biblical meaning, I don't think fraserdk7433 has your elevated education level. Harris also said winning a war by bombing hadn't been done before & he was the one who would be the first to try & had the means to do it with
@@combtkid some would call the bible anything but " elevated. " And i admit it's mere ego and pride on my part to show off my very limited knowledge of the subject. Born in Germany Soviet zone 1949. Can you imagine how much i simply adore this old world we lovingly call "OUR PLANET" and all the wonderful folks on it ????
@@piehoundno.
THIS is history; THANKS for sharing this info…. 👍🏻😐
Germany lost vast areas in the East , due to Treaty Of Versailles post WW1. Add the break up of Austria-,Hungarian Empire , and the situation becomes more acute .The majority of Germanic population was not settlers post 39 , but ancient natives, caught by the post WW1 break up of E . Europe by Allies, who wanted to return to the Reich ,and voted to do so , under League Of Nations observation , pre British & French Declarations of War , September 3,1939.
Danzig , Sudantandland , Silesia where vastly German populated .
WWII & it causes , actions , conflicts are complicated , with horrifying situations for everyone.
Strangely enough the former danish queen Magrethe owend a huge farm over in preussiske but later on in the 1990 years declined the ownership due to politisk reasons
What report is really saying is that wars are never concluded cleanly and the fibers of civilization are torn up and take an extraordinary time to heal, if ever.
You imply that these Germans were new settlers in these lands and a tiny percentage of them were, but the vast majority where ethnic Germans who had lived in these places for centuries - the Volga Germans for example or the Prussians in what is now Poland. And the ethnic Germans in Bohemia go back as far as the Czechs themselves.
What is the difference between execution and murder?
Disregarding the morality, execution is legal and murder is not.
@@Trevor_Austin But aren't some executions war crimes?
@Mike-zw7fq An execution atleast to me, is done by legal authorities and in an organized way. In war there is no such thing as murder, for example, a group of POWs lined up and killed via firing line is execution, a person, especially during peace time (the perpetrator is not a combatant if there is a war) kills another person, that could be considered murder. Though the first scenario could also occur during peace time (Without POWs), for example, before WW2 there were many senior soviet officers and high ranking personnel who were executed. I suppose it all just depends on the context.
Execution is state sanctioned murder. It is a subset. Murder=homicide. The deliberate taking of a life.
I have been told that my father had been involved with the liberation of a Concentration Camp. He was an Army Officer with the American forces. His unit was not aware of the atrocities that had happened in the camps. His unit began taking care of the prisoners. A comment / order was made that stated “find anyone who weighs over one hundred pounds should be rounded up and held (arrested) he stated that there was some news coverage / film that was made of this situation. Any help in finding out more would be appreciated. He has the same last name as me - Milani
Well, you ignornat american, this video clip is not about that. It is about the time AFTER WWII when civilian germans were murdered by the millions. And the poles, russians and czechs stole the lands that the germans had inhabited for centuries.
@@3746463he is not ignorant at all. We all know what the video is about, you don’t gotta summarize anything. Is he not allowed to speak about his own father?
@@3746463 You spelled “ignorant” incorrectly…enough said.
@@lucymilani7333 It did not spell "ignorant" wrong. The a and n simple swapped places with each other.
@@3746463by the millions..??! a lot.. but not millions..!
This video shows that the war didn't end on May 8, 1945.
Usti was the German speaking city of Aussig until 1945. There were also many killings around Prague. The Sudetenland was "ethnically cleansed" and none were allowed to return. Similar killings also happened in Germany's eastern province that were given to Poland.
Remember that clambake at Dresden?
What saddens me is some of the Nazis survived!
What saddens me is that you have no heart
@Jns-x2h It saddens you that he is unsatisfied that some Nazis survived? Not talking about innocents or those that weren't involved in war crimes?
@@ВашместныйагентКГБ I can tell that he means germans in general
@@ВашместныйагентКГБ you have a soviet profile picture...I would shut my mouth about warcrimes
@Jns-x2h All you needed to do was elaborate. My profile picture also has nothing to do with this or what I support. I can talk about warcrimes.
I can only hope German civilians that faced terror can sue their governments
Nope, They can not.
Germans forced to wear a white armband after the war....How barbaric ? but stars on jews..that was ok ?
One crime does not justify another.
Did the narrator say that stars on jews was ok? Stop making stuff up.
Did the narrator say that? Stop making stuff up.
Both sides were equally wrong
One wrong makes another wrong right?
Dirty business
Terrible war. Awful people worst terrorists ever
The Soviets sure were...
Honestly, I would've waited to occupy a foreign land as a settler until the war was won. Bit of a gamble, I would say.
reap what you sow.
Sorry, the folks who were 3 -4 generation Poles, Romanians, and Czechs who happened to be of German ancestry or Saxon as they are called in Wallachia did not "Sow" what happened in Germany. Some fought in the Czech and Polish army. Most had nothing to do with it. America has paid restitution and acknowledged the incarceration of Japanese Americans. It is time to clear the air and acknowledge the injustice here.
Times don't change - alas!!
Complain to Hitler and Stalin! Both gave the near same orders to their troops. Hitler’s commissar order and Stalin’s revenge order.
I am very interested in this topic because I am from Germany, and I really enjoyed the content of the video, so I gave it a thumbs up. However, for future videos, if possible, I would prefer a more neutral accent, ideally in Queen's English. That would make my viewing experience much more enjoyable. Thank you
Ваши фашисты стали удобрения для СОВЕТСКИХ ЗЕМЕЛЬ!!😂😂😂
A very German comment.
Kings accent. The commentary is however in reasonable middle English but perhaps not sufficiently upper class for our posh German friend. However respect for such a good knowledge of English.
What difference does it make about the accent of the UA-camr? No mention about the accent would make "my viewing experience much more enjoyable!" Thank you.
Very good book you could read :"Savage Continent" by Keith Lowe. Another of interest is "After Hitler" by Michael Jones, which tries to explain why Germany fought for that week between 30th April and 8(9)th May, causing huge hatred in lands east of the Elbe.
Payback is a motherf%#@$&. An eye for an eye and the whole world is blind. Which seems to be the trend these days.
What is an eye for an eye got to do with killing your own citizens because they are of a certain ethnic heritage? Why don't you read about hidden history where 12 million were transported and two million died on the way to a country most had never seen.
Are you seriously suggesting that the mass expulsions of Germans at the end of WW2 were justified by nazi brutality and that they took place only in places that had been occupied by Naz Germany during the war? In fact, the mass expulsion of nearly 14 million Germans from their ancestral lands at the end of the war was a completely different affair to what you're trying to depict. It was the biggest forced mass migration in history. The eastern provinces of Silesia, Pomerania and East Prussia had been solidly ethnic German for five to six centuries, and even the Sudetenland, which you specifically cite, had been German for centuries, part of the Austrian realms and only became part of Czechoslovakia after 1919, only because the old boundaries of the Kingdom of Bohemia, part of the Austro-Hungarian empire, dictated so. Ethnically though, they were German lands, same as the provinces taken by Poland. Even the nearly two million Germans, invited by the Austrian Empress in the 18th century to populate the mainly empty lands along the Danube on what later would be Romania, Yugoslavia and Hungary, were expelled in a frenzy of violence.
So, no, these millions of people were not indirectly guilty of nazi crimes, as you suggest, but overwhelmingly innocent civilians who paid the highest price. It is estimated that about two million perished during the wild part of these expulsions, including those who would starve in what was left of Germany, where hunger and disease reigned until 1948.
I do understand how repugnant the nazi crimes were, and I share your revulsion and applaud the severe punishment of the perpetrators, but please understand that crimes committed against innocent German civilians were equally repulsive.
... a lot of these "Germans" collaborated with Hitler, considered their local neighbours as "Uentermenschen", ....
The boarder areas of Czech kindom were to a great deal occupied by Germans after centuries of German penetration into the Czech lands with suppression and assimilation of the Czech people. These Germans were citizens of Czechoslovakia with full citizen rights and priveledges. However, ofter the rice of nazis in Germany, these Czechoslovak citizens resorted to acts of sabotage and terrorism with support of the geat majority to break up the Czechoslovak state and join the Third Reich. They commited treason and were rigthfully expelled after the war to where they wanted to be, Germany.
The limited acts of early violence against Germans after the war are not exusable, but understandable, considering the German attrocities during the war occupation. They were investigated and some perpetrators were punished, on a limited bases, considering the prevaling atmosphere at that time. Further removal of Germans were carried out in orderly fashion.
@@jiritichy7967 You're sugarcoating the Czech side of the story. That the Sudetenland was inside the borders of the Kingdom of Bohemia is irrelevant, because this wasn't an independent kingdom but a fief of the Austrian monarchy, and before the 19th century there wasn't an awareness of nationalism in most parts of Europe. I am not talking about German encroachment in the rest of Bohemia, but that wasn't the case in the Sudetenland, inhabited by Germans for centuries. Czechoslovakia, as you well know, was an artificial creation of post WW1, and it was born with the unreasonable burden of unwilling minorities, nearly 30% of its original population were Germans. Under the Treaty of St Germain, the peace treaty between the victorious powers and the Austro Hungarian empire, the new state of Czechoslovakia assumed the obligation of respecting the rights of their minorities, mostly German and Polish. Various reports from the League of Nations show that on the contrary the Prague government was appointing Czech only speaking officials in the region, including school teachers, and the pressure for Czechization was well documented. What kind of reaction would you expect from a large German minority, stuck by politics against their will behind the borders of a new country that showed no respect for their rights? The only missing piece in the puzzle was Hitler and his rabble rousing abilities to turn this population into active political opponents.
In the end, it was this largely innocent group of more than three million people who paid a heavy price for something they were not personally guilty of and ended up as refugees in a destroyed land. But many didn't survive the violent expulsion, and what happened after the war had ended was absolutely terrible.
The fact that these two peoples, German and Czech, with so much history in common, have been able to reconcile with each other and live in peace next to each other, is remarkable because it reminds us of the good side of human nature.
But the truth is still the truth. What the nazis did was absolutely unforgivable, but they weren't the only ones with innocent blood on their hands.
@@sobelou Your lack of history knowledge is appalling! Czech kingdom was part of Holly Roman empire, a conglomerate to a great deal of independent states and its history covers over a thousand years. You again repeat the presence of Germans in the Czech kingdom for centuries, somehow you omitted that all those areas including what today is essentially East Germany, were before that occupied by western Slavs and Germans penetrated into these areas later. Where do you start your history? Further, Czechoslovakia was the only democratic country in central Europe and Germans had full citizen rights, as I pointed out earlier. There was nothing artificial about its creation, it was based on the historic Czech kingdom, joined by Slovakia. The greatest fallacy is your statement about these innocent Germans ending as refuges. Did you read about their activities before the war?! They overwhelmingly voted for Nazi affiliated Henlein''s party aiming at breaking the Czechoslovak state with treasonous acts. By the way, Germans with proven antifascist convictions were allowed o stay in Czechoslovakia after the war. Stop promoting revanchist propaganda of former Nazi followers! One more point: in villages with 50+% German population, there had to be a German school by law. Some of these villages were too small to have two schools, Czech children had no option but to attend the German school.
@@jiritichy7967 Bwahh!! Still evading the main point, namely that the German inhabitants of the Sudeten region had been living in those ancestral lands since the 13th or 14th century, and that the expulsion was brutal and violated all rules of humanity that were supposed to be the result of the victory over the criminal nazi rule.
why are my comments being deleted..??!
UA-cam AI censorship algorithm.
@@Rusty_James you must've told the truth
Horrible
The Treaty of Versailles was basically indentured servitude, loss of lands by Germany… considering it did not start WW1. However, Germany basically recovered a lot of the territories and then some like Austria. Then they got Czechoslovakia without waging war. Starting a war by invading Poland was reckless. Got lucky in the Battle of France. The ultimate stupidity of the Germans was invading USSR. Duh… did not learn from History? Napoleon? Sweden? Plus genocide. Lucky they were not all sent to Siberia after murdering millions of innocent people. .
Who do you imagine started WW1? Do you blame it on one angry Serb? Austria and Germany declared war on Serbia and they knew that would provoke Russia to follow. The rest is being repeated today in Ukraine... The Germans still haven't learned from history.
And then millions more Russians mostly Christians were Murdered by Stalin !!!!
@@sherriziegelBut you have?
@@sherriziegel Historians still discuss who started WW1. There are three countries which are discussed: Serbia, as Serbs fired the first shoots. Russia because they were the first to mobilized. Austria-Hungary because they were the first to declare war. Germany made at the beginning the mistake of not taking the crisis seriously and started to try to defuse the crisis after it already escalating. Germany tried to stop the first WW as they did not think that they could win it. However, the treatment of Germany at the end of the first world war did not justify the attack on Poland or the occupation of Czechoslovakia after they got the Sudetenland peaceful by negotiation. Nor did it justify the attempted genocide of millions of people. The Nazi idelogy was just evil.
@@Factsmatter2000 'Serbia' did not 'fire the first shots'. Russia mobilizing it's army within its own borders is NOT an act of war. The Hapsburgs declaring war - now we're getting somewhere. What is there to discuss?
Who said that the Brits deciding to give half of Czechoslovakia to the Nazis was a good idea? I have no idea what you are talking about or responding to.
I dispute your use of the term massacre. A massacre is, an indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of many people. There was nothing indiscriminate about what was done.
What would be the proper term to use?
Doesn’t have to be indiscriminate to be a massacre
You are obviously clueless. Massacre is an understatement.
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Let's not be playing silly little semantic word games....
You know very well what is meant by both words. You get the point.
@@briannichols395 No, I think this is slanted to make it look like these people were totally innocent. Not the case. At all. See Murder of the Creoles of New Orleans 1935 to show this.
You can always determine how brave soldiers are by how they treat their captives.....
Murder, not Execution.
i feel sorry for the jews that were killed, but i have nothing but respect for the germans in ww2, it took a combined effort to defeat the Wehrmact
Nazis never called the symbol Swastika. It was result of mischevious translation of Mein Kampf by a British missionary who used the word Swasika to build a narrative about the Nazis being inspired by heathens, not by the church. The Nazis had always called the symbol "Hooked Cross."
Allied war crimes of the innocent
The war crimes and atrocities committed by the allies need to be talked about.
Really! I suppose you believe that the crimes of the Allies JUSTIFY the crimes of the Nazis? You obviously don't read much. The victors carry out justice didn't you know.
Like so many people. Russia when they took lands from Germany. anyone who were part of the German government in charge found themselves and family in this situation. There is also tales of soldiers who fought for the Allies, England. Would think they would return back as hero's for fleeing to fight another day. Was shipped off to Siberia cause they was considered a threat to the Russians thinking and possible leaders of the people they could not take a chance to let stay.
Wehe dem Besiegten.
Can you really say it was ruthless considering the disgraceful behaviour of the Nazis!
We hear endlessly about Nazi activities, but very little regarding Japanese activities during this period, which were if anything more ruthless. Millions of Chinese were butchered, mainly with shovels & bayonets.
The Germans at least are ashamed of their past, whereas the Japanese contend that they were attacked, and the victims. And cowardly Western media allows them to get away with it.
After Reinhard Heydrich was killed by British assisted Czech Nationals, the Nazis destroyed the town of Lidice in retaliation, murdering most of the residents.
Were they all Nazis? We've been indoctrinated about Nazi cruelty
The world always hated us Germans
I'am one of those who love the Germans.
This is inaccurate both in timeline and content. Why don't you factcheck your "facts "
Understandably, the ethnic Czechs were justifiably angry at what happened to their countrymen during WWII. But it doesn't excuse them for the indiscriminate killing of Germans after the war. Two wrongs don't make a right.
@@georgetunstill2341 sure it does
That is very easy for you to say. You didn’t live through it, like they did.
Of course it excuses them, you are just talking nonsense.
@@carlzeiss4871 No, you need to read about this period. THese were not Nazis in most cases they were not even Germans. They were czechs, Poles, and Romanians some of whom fought in the Polish, Czech, and romanian army but were ethnic germans living in these countries for centuries and had never been to Germany. Did the US send all its German Americans to live in Berlin after the War?
Did you see the guy with a swastika daubed on his jacket ?
Did you notice the girl next to him with a swastika on her forehead though?
Yes ive seen it at 5,42…my dad went into German farmhouses and saw what the Russians had done..he was shocked…
Nazis never called the symbol Swastika. It was result of mischevious translation of Mein Kampf by a British missionary who used the word Swasika to build a narrative about the Nazis being inspired by heathens, not by the church
@@monsterhunt8624 did you see the mischievous translation of Mein Kampf on that blokes jacket ?
English people call that symbol a swastika
@@griswald7156 How did "hooked cross" of Christians mysteriously get translated into English as Swastika (a Sanskrit word and Hindu symbol)? What is your point?
Food for the algorithmz
A bit biased I think. Eye for an eye.
Anybody's eye? Or the person who wronged you?
Currently, Israel seems bent on behaving like the nazis. They may want to considered what will happen once the tables are turned and such things as these occur.
Germany lost Pomeranian , Silesia and East Prussia to Poland and part of east Prussia to Russia which still holds these lands to this day . These lands were owned by Germans and were taken by Poland & Russia with no compensation to the owners so like the Jews they lost their land, their property and some their lives as atrocities were not just committed by the Germans but all sides especially the Russians . Try and find Prussia on any modern map today .
"like the Jews" - Are you seriously suggesting there is equivalence to what the victims of the Nazis suffered? That would be odd. Outrageous, actually.
@@Riskmangler So you believe that is is just fine to steal , rape , brutalize and murder civilians because of what the nazis did ? That attitude is why there are atrocities on all sides and that is called payback and I guess you are fine with that , right ?
The nazis started a fight to the death and lost. Soviet brutality does not make the nazis victims..
@@woodystube1000 So in your mind every German civilian was a nazi and deserved what they got , every man , woman or child , right ?
Actually Hitler is the most evil and brutal man that ever existed. Stalin was a monster still a kid if you compare him to Hitler. And the sad part is that the vast majority of Germans supported that mad man. If I tell you that Hitler and his minions planned to torture and massacre babies and small children, you won't believe but they did. Mao nor Stalin ever dreamed of such evil acts but German soldiers and Hitler have no problem smashing babies and children into large rocks and trucks. As much as I like Germans today, I'm so glad that they lost Silesia and East Prussia. Why? Their grandfathers committed way too many atrocities and they needed to pay.
Ruthless executions ?
It's easy for people to judge the actions of others from times past. But at that time and situation,...the Germans had it coming to them.
you people are sick!
@@SSWiking-l4q You are the sick one cause the Germans committed way too many atrocities and needed to pay for their cruelties. Smashing the heads of millions of babies and children was just way too diabolical.
The woman pushing a baby in the pram had it coming?
That's what the Germans said about the Jews and what the american settlers said about the natives and what Israelis say about the Gazans. If you want to live in a civilized world you can't justify mass murder.
Educate yourself, the holocaust was hidden from the German population. The allies forced German civilians to witness the camps after the war. There is footage of this
Having known three German veterans and a former Bund Deutscher Madschen member, each one attested to this.
As Rodney King said can't we all just get along? Altough i can understand their anger. Have always said if women ran the world there would be no war, we would all just eat well
Nice try.
Have you worked with women?
It might be worse
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The Germans had it comming
That's what the Germans said about the Jews and what the american settlers said about the natives and what Israelis say about the Gazans. If you want to live in a civilized world you can't justify mass murder.
@@sherriziegel the Germans got what they gave boo who who
@@sherriziegel At the very least, it has nothing on the numbers the Germans took in Eastern Europe. They used to stuff entire villages into barns and set them on fire for fun. I’m very sure those that got ended in the end had participated in early war atrocities, why else would they be so comfortable there?
Ignorant remark
@@mikebellis5713 ya you are the Germans killed six million jews
Germany did not defeat the Czechoslovak army as you said. The country was signed over to Hitler after the Sudetenland was handed over and Hitler threatened to invade the remainder of the country.
Germans could be very cruel and they reaped what they sowed.
I do not really understand why you seem so vested in this?
When it comes to the actions of the NAZIS maybe two WRONGS do make a RIGHT.
Wrong 1) the British Govt. handing over the Sudetenland… EVERYONE understands that this was an appeasement in hopes of peace YET do you think the Czech Govt. might have been even consulted?
2) you remarked, in excess, that the Czechs endured virtual constant horror under the Nazis….
By my count, wrong #1 plus wrong #2 wrong equals a RIGHT…the right of peoples to take a stand for themselves. I am again stumped by your vested interest in this; let me give you another example.
The devastating bombing of London, then later, the devastation of Coventry and other British cities has been deemed justification for the bombardment of Hamburg, Dresden as well as other German cities; WAR is WAR.
I thus again do not understand the intent of this video. YES the Czechs retaliated. Yes the British retaliated…and your point ?
Might be me but do you think the German citizens in the Sudetenland where actually hospitable to the Czechs? I don’t recall historically that these Germans did anything but HEIL as the troops moved in and Czechs were throw out of their homes.
HUM?
boo hoo
Of all people, the Germans ought to know what happens when a war is lost,
boo hoo .. not
Many do not know about the war crimes and atrocities committed against innocent German civilians by the so called good guys. It's good for people to learn history
Why don't you do a video on the Murder of the Creoles of New Orleans 1935. This was the start of WW II.
The start of WWII was the invasion of Poland obviously.
Because that was not an actual event . More tinfoil conspiracy garbage which you have no proof of .
Why don't you do a video on the Murder of the Creoles of New Orleans 1935 and who did it. This was the start of WW II.
Boo
i don't know this
Booooo
@@joejohnson4183 Facts. Must be German.
@@panpantheman78 Because it's still covered up. Crimes still being committed by this group in the US to this very day.