Why Abraham Lincoln Is Not the Greatest President
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First of all, Mr. Beat DOES like Abraham Lincoln. But Lincoln is not his favorite American President, and here is why.
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Here are the three biggest things I just can’t get past that prevent Abraham Lincoln from being the top of my Best Presidents list:
#1 Lincoln abused the First Amendment. His administration arrested journalists and newspaper publishers who criticized his handling of the Civil War.
#2 Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus. His administration threw many ordinary citizens in jail WITHOUT arrest warrants. The people detained often didn’t know why they were arrested or how they could challenge it.
#3 Lincoln made things worse for Native Americans. He signed laws that gave away millions of acres of tribal land. He approved mass executions of Indian warriors and multiple Indian massacres happened under his watch.
#abrahamlincoln #lincoln #presidents
Am I wrong?
I don't think so, but it would still be criminal to not put him as an s tier president. No matter his faults, he still held our country together at its time of greatest strife, and was a central figure in the abolition of slavery. I just can't get past that. But yeah, he isn't my favorite.
Hey, correct me if I'm wrong Mr. Beat because I'm Scottish but I'm pretty sure at least with the second one, habeas corpus was allowed be suspended in a time of war or rebellion such as the civil war, which was within Lincoln's powers. Plus the Confederate states did it more than the Union.
Yes😔
All three of these things should have been explored in APUSH but weren’t.
@@thescrout9831 sure he was legally allowed to do it, but that doesn’t mean he should have. A whole bunch of bad stuff could have been avoided by keeping it in place
Lincoln been real quiet since this dropped
Oh he been real quite alright
Heard he went to a theatre to get over with this
Yes
@@abrahamlincoln6388 How was the show at Fords Theatre
@@Polavianus It was good until John Wilkes Booth ki!led me :(
In Lincoln's defense, almost EVERY President was bad for the Native Americans.
They were defeated peoples. They are lucky the US didn't straight up eliminate them in their entirety.
😢 as an Indian 🇮🇳
I am feeling bad for Indians 🇺🇲
That's not a defense of Lincoln, dude.
@@Prabhsinghsandhuthey aren’t Indians
@@gehhko8249yea
The people who were arrested were actually vampires, he was doing us all a favour and he's not even your no.1 favourite
Lincoln's biography says ALL Confederate soldiers were vampires. Which is why the White House silver disappeared in 1863. Just saying.😏
You still need just and fair trials no matter how bad
@@Goldenroses930 People in power don't really give a rat's pstootie about due process.
@@Goldenroses930 They were Vampires man, they don't need fair trials. They would've eaten the balif.
@@crappyanimations9992 everybody needs a fair trial regardless of someone’s opinion on their person
But he fought the vampires for us 😧
That’s why I respect him man managed to stop the confederate vampires basically single-handily using only his trusty wood cutting axe he was built different
I know that you're joking, but I once got insulted as being 'out of touch with reality' for an answer to a question regarding that, even though I literally began that answer by noting in a disclaimer that the entire book was historical fiction.
What'd that prick expect me to do, ask him if he fabricated his description of 'ex-CIA' and compose music about how I would love to kill a certain malignant narcissist in all sorts of ways that would horrify the most hardened of war criminals!?
Just wanna point out not all of us are confederates
"Hey, it's war baby, what are you going to do?" -Abraham Lincoln Oversimplified
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@@abunchofrandomgarbage23now say it with me... It's! A! Joke!!!!
Underrated comment
It is what it is
It really wasn't a war. It was basically a glorified looting expedition, with murder and arson, a way of life. The Yankees would steal anything that wasn't bolted down, and if it was too heavy to carry away, they would just burn it.
Oh😔
I'm so sorry 😞 You're still Top 10 though
Your parents had a crush on you
Don’t worry Abraham Lincoln. I feel the same way. 😔
@@abrahamlincoln937 we have an imposter amogus 📮
Poor wise abe
On the Native American executions- The most famous of them was the “Dakota 38”, so-called because 38 men were hung on December 26, 1862. This was at the end of the “Dakota War”, which had begun over some delayed payments that government agents had promised and suspicions of corruption from said agents. The commissioner of affairs for the Dakota agents, George Day, wrote to Lincoln in January of 1862 and said that: “I have discovered numerous violations of law & many frauds committed by past Agents & a superintendent. I think I can establish frauds to the amount from 20 to 100 thousand dollars & satisfy any reasonable intelligent man that the indians whom I have visited in this state & Wisconsin have been defrauded of more than 100 thousand dollars in or during the four years past.” In August, some settlers were killed by Dakota natives, its unsure why. It should be noted that not all of the Dakota went to war, only a specific faction. After some back and forth, the natives lost and were put on “trial”, although many modern historians and even contemporary officials in Lincoln's administration asserted that there were trumped up charges and falsities-it was more of a formality than a real trial. The secretary of the navy, Gideon Welles, wrote that "I was disgusted with the whole thing; the tone and opinions of the dispatch are discreditable…what may have been the provocation we are not told.”
Lincoln ordered a stay of execution until he could review the trials himself, which was delivered to the troops on October 17. Obviously, since this was happening out West, it took time for information and instructions to go back and forth. 303 Dakota men were indicted and prepared to be executed, and Lincoln faced intense political pressure to give it the go-ahead. He was warned numerous times that if he didn't riotous and angry settlers would carry out mass murders anyway. From newspapers to the highest levels of the Senate, people of all social orders had demanded the executions. Alexander Ramsey, the Governor of Minnesota, wrote to him urging the executions to be approved. "I hope the execution of every Sioux Indian condemned by the military court will be at once ordered...[i]t would be wrong upon principle and policy to refuse this. Private revenge would on all this border take the place of official judgment on these Indians."
Eventually, Lincoln commuted the executions of 265 men, allowing for 39 to still go ahead. In a message to the Senate that December, Lincoln said "Anxious to not act with so much clemency as to encourage another outbreak on the one hand, nor with so much severity as to be real cruelty on the other, I caused a careful examination of the records of trials to be made, in view of first ordering the execution of such as had been proved guilty of violating females.”
Lincoln further tried to make a distinction between 'battles' and 'massacres', justifying the commuting of further sentencing as only 2 men could be proven guilt of rape. After more evidence was reviewed, 38 men were executed.
All in all, I don't think Lincoln should be entirely excused from every controversial decision just because he is revered by many (including me). But it is important to understand that his political pragmatism undergirded basically every decision he made as President up until 1865.
how much of that was written by chat gpt?
@@Connor_Califf It doesn't read like chatGPT to me. It's not full of fluff, it quotes real documents and people and it has an overall point.
@@Connor_Califf there are amateur historians that can write their own stuff, Connor. Try it sometime.
@@lt3746 well said, I agree
Ya. I agree, but 99.9% of the indoctrinated snowflakes. After reading what you said 5 times. Haven’t a clue what you just said.
Probably to your benefit or their delicate sensitivity’s would get it deleted. Factual as it is.
The context of the times 🤷♀️
It is constitutional to suspend habeas corpus during times of invasion or rebellion. Can’t justify the first and third point tho
That said.
Just about every American president has fucked over the natives.
You have seen Dark Brandon, but wait until you learn of *Dark Lincoln*
lol
I like that😈👻
“Jefferson Davis never told you the truth about Lincoln”
“He told me enough, he told me he was a Tyrant!”
“No Johnny, *Davis* was a tyrant.”
“That’s not true…that’s impossible!“
“Check your facts Johnny; you know it to be true”
“NOOoOOoO!”
Dark *Bradon* 😂
@@warlordofbritannia This sounds like an Atun Shei bit.
If I remember correctly, one of his last actions was giving the territory of future Las Vegas to Nevada instead of Arizona, and as an Arizonan this is tragic.
I actually didn't know about that!
Didn't expect to see you here
I mean hey, c'mon, it is LITERALLY all Nevada has.
Yeah but thing about it this way, Las Vegas IS Nevada
If he didn't do that then Las Vegas would have ended up being as boring as Arizona.
Proves that there’s no such thing as the perfect president.
The grandson of Francis Scott Key, Francis Key Howard, the editor of the Baltimore Exchange, was arrested for writing against Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus. He was imprisoned at Ft McHenry 47 years after his grandfather had witnessed the bombardment of that same fort by the British and compelling Francis Scott Key to write the words which would later be sung in our national anthem.
Francis Key Howard later wrote about his ordeal in the book, 'Fourteen Months in American Bastilles.'
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Glad you caught that!
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@@seaacow6347My favorite is Division Bell. PF without Waters is best PF.
So, we just gonna forget the first two were during the civil war?
Doesn't matter.
@@user-xp6vy4pi8bwell no, it does, especially when your comparing it to peace time presidents
@@kelpermoon23 civil war is no reason to violate the constitution. In fact, he's fighting the civil war to uphold the constitution, it would be really hypocritical to violate it at the same time
@@lik7953 Civil war is actually a pretty big reason, which is why I think it’s unfair…
@@kelpermoon23 Disagree. There is no situation in which any government actor or group of government actors has any authority to violate the Bill of Rights. If you are aware or such authority, which would have to be described in the Constitution (including the amendments), your instruction would be most appreciated.
God forbid you suspend habeas corpus in the middle of a civil war
Just a quick note on Lincoln suspending Habeas Corpus- at the start of the war he only suspended it along railway lines so Congress could actually get to DC and convene. And when he did suspend it for the entire country in 1863, he did it with full congressional approval.
I hate how Mr. Beat did not mention this point. But it’s was a pretty short video which in my opinion is makes it bad especially in a topic like this where someone who is going to watch this will get a pretty simple explanation with no added reasons, details and events and have their mind made up on this topic.
There’s already so many misinformation being spread here in the comments knowingly or unknowingly
Yeah , just like the mainstream media always seems to leave out specific points as they are spinning their yarns ! Where’s Paul Harvey when you need him to give us …. “ The rest of the Story “ 🤷🏽♂️
@@greggs12315That is why complex topics need to be given serious time to address a serious and complex issue. Davis and the CSA did far worse by suspending Habeas corpus and using that to declare martial law, for 3 years.
@@greggs12315yeah, Mr Beat also failed to mention that most of the Natives who were killed by his troops were fighting for the traitors at the time
#4: He didn't kick the south's ass hard enough 😎
Chose Andrew Johnson as vp, allowing him to destroy so much of what could have been achieved under Reconstruction before the Radical Republicans managed to stop him.
I will always stand by the north should have razed the south and killed alot more slavers because this, modern America, is what happens when you just let the slavers live and keep all their money and power and expect them to not treat the people they don't think sre people better
There's a reason the southern states are the poorest in the nation
Yeah the raping and pillaging and decades of oppression weren't hard enough for his alleged fellow citizens and brethren lmao
@@billyboy4283 they lacked the industrial power of the coastal states
#3 could apply to almost every president, and #1 & #2... well, to quote Oversimplified - "Hey, it's war, baby. What are you gonna do?"
I agree, with you on #3. I agree with Mr. Beat on #1 and #2 even though I usually don't agree with him on many things. History is fascinating, different viewpoints even more so
Not having Abe in your top 10 is crazy work.
Damn. Totally valid reasons I didn't even know of. Thanks Mr Beat for making us all more informed people
Another thing that dampens his reputation in my eyes is that the emancipation proclamation effectively freed nobody. He had no control over the south so they obviously didn’t listen to it, and the border states (Maryland, Kentucky, Missouri) were all allowed to keep their slaves throughout the war while staying in the union. I mean maryland is right next to DC, Lincoln literally had to pass by slavery very often in his own country while waging war against the south.
@@ryanash4681 They couldn't afford losing the border states, especially since that would have left D.C. completely surrounded by the confederacy.
@@wta1518 I agree. Lincoln always said his priority was preservation of the union. It makes me wonder how his presidency would’ve played out if the south didn’t decide to secede before he even took office.
I hope you do understand Lincoln had arrested many people because the Maryland Governor and majority of the State assembly wanted to secede. And Lincoln did express wanting to reform Indian affairs, of course something else happened
@@ryanash4681 Yea it was a war measure, it allowed the army to free people in the south. Lincoln didn’t want to piss off the northern states which were still in the Union.
The first two can be partially explained away cuz he was in a civil war so I don't mind him too much for that. But yeh the Native American one, that's a totally and completely valid criticism, i think
ignoring the first amendment is evil and unjustifiable. it's the most important human right.
@@supercringeteam6666 He did what he had to do. Can’t really change or do anything about it now, can we? 🤷🏼♂️
But this is also why I am horrified by martial law. During times of chaos, the President's power should still be checked. It can be a slippery slope to a dictatorship.
@@iammrbeat Wasn't it mostly just along the main railways & telegraph lines? Because we have plenty of examples of papers in New York and the like decrying how Lincoln waged the war.
I feel like the native american one wasnt all that different from other presidents of the time, not an excuse but certainly not a reason to exclude Lincoln for that. Just my opinion though, if anyone has more information I'd be happy to read it
#1 it was wartime
#2 it was wartime
#3 what’s new? Typical 19th century American president
Being at war doesn’t give Presidents excuses to violate your rights with unconstitutional policies, and neither do emergencies of any kind.
@@sunshineimperials1600 it’s been upheld as constitutional to suspend some civil liberties during wartime. Schenk v US?
@@salutic.7544 being "legal" just proves the law is bad.
all you need to have happen is someone declare something wartime and you've got a despot on your hands
case and point Canada and Mr. I'm going to call a peaceful protest an emergancy and use wartime measures to for them to disperse.
@@sunshineimperials1600It’s been done many times, by multiple presidents.
@@DarthVader_1977 Still doesn’t make it right that Presidents can “suspend” your civil rights. If your “rights” can be written away by somebody, they’re not rights just privileges.
We need free speech even in time of war.
We need to limit the cult speech that divides us and racist language that kill people.
Words like actions have consequences. Bad speech start wars.
Especially during times of war.
A civil war is unique, in that it is people vs people within one nation. The government must necessarily pick one side. Which side is arbitrary, but it must have a clear position. It therefore can treat certain citizens as effectively enemies of the state, and restrict their rights to prevent further harm to the country. FYI, we do this with domestic terrorists, felons etc. Being a threat to the public DOES reduce your rights.
Maybe we should really have two separate rankings: positive accomplishments and negative accomplishments, rather than one ranking of net effect. LBJ and Nixon would rank pretty high on both lists, I'd imagine.
Yeah,Nixon gets its bad when comes to president's, but I like Nixon , we should remember more than Watergate
@@everettatwater2939 Like normalizing relations with Communist China, essentially saving them from imploding and losing the US' Industrial Manufacturing power?
I would put FDR on the negative list for his gold theft.
@@everettatwater2939 correct me if im wrong here but didnt nixon also start the drug war? its generally seen as a disaster which actually increased drug use and violence within the us
Whah . . . Interesting how you have to find a way to make him seem not so bad 🤔
This video demonstrates one of the flaws in our educational system: we romanticize our national heroes to the point of depicting them as flawless. Thank you, Mr. Beat, for showing me a fuller, realistic picture of Abraham Lincoln.
Nobody said he was flawless. It’s just ridiculous to act like he’s not a great president all because of the huge important scandal of locking up confederates during a time of civil war🤣🤣what a horrible thing he did by locking up traitors to the nation
That's what happens when you let the government run your education system.
That's not what's wrong with the education system, what's wrong with it is the government is involved. Lincoln is a good president and should be highly regarded, but he was not an evil man.
@@spookyfool No one said AL was evil.
@@seekinggodfirst754 I'm guessing you never been to the South. (Joke)
Thank you for making me no longer feel alone.
I find these somewhat excusable in the context of him having to deal with a grisly conflict that’s tearing the country apart. You can’t assess Lincoln the same as a Monroe or Clinton.
Fair point
i can’t really look past the abuses of native americans though
@@basilmetroulas4622 uhh native americans were already doing human sacrifices and enslaving each other soo
@@thisguy6177 does that make it okay to approve mass executions of them and forcibly sell their land?
@@basilmetroulas4622 you are 100% right. But I can’t think of a president who did more for the country while in office.
i loved the nuanced take on this.
Yeah, I disagree with Mr Beat still but I get *why* he slightly disfavors Lincoln
To me, his greatest accomplishments (emancipation and keeping the country together) is enough to outweigh the above to the degree I still have him as Number 1
@@warlordofbritanniathen you dont really know about Lincoln. you should do some research, he was a very bad guy.
As oversimplified put it “It’s war baby, what are you going to do?”
Lincoln is mindblown by this
Will, I guess I just learned something new
Press is free.
Boston media people. Like me.
Page 1 US HISTORY.
FakeNewZ was sent everywhere.
Two men wanted it. They didnt get it.
“Keep your information out your god dam mouth!”
-Will Smith
Idk if you can change the title on shorts but I think “Why I hate Abraham Lincoln” would appeal to a wider audience. Great video!
Thanks for the suggestion. I changed it to "Why Abraham Lincoln is not the Greatest President"
@Jar Jar Binks That's the point, views.
@Jar Jar Binks reminded me of when JJ McCullough talked about why he hates Wilipedia
Props for touching on the 38 Dakota hanged in Minnesota incident. Usually, that's just locally recognized.
im ok with Lincoln being more authoritarian, he did what he had to to win, the native American crimes are not justifiable
Abraham Lincoln had a terrible Native American policy
Every US president, before and after him, had terrible indigenous policy because America itself only exists because its origins of Europeans ethically cleansing land of the indigenous population and settling people deemed the "right race". The US never be a state for indigenous people because it was explicitly created to exclude them, no matter how much you try to reform and we really haven't, like the government sterilized like 1 in 4 indigenous women in the 70s or 80s. This also applies to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Israel.
Based
It wasn’t really his Native American policy it was established policy for years but he didn’t change it. Like how Obama and Biden are continuing with deportations and with the broken system of immigration down there we have because they are distracted by other things are this is not enough political points to change it. Although it is worth pointing out that Lincoln asked for changes to the Indian system in his last two state of the union addresses.
Good job Lincoln
@@squid.com8927
Yet he continued it anyways. That makes him an evil man. Theres a good reason his statue was defiled in protests
#3 Is certainly correct, but some historians like to point out that Lincoln actually pardoned a whole 265 Native Americans at the mass hanging you picture at 0:47 (Making the largest mass execution on U.S. soil not 303 people, but 38.)
Not pardoned, just lesser sentences than execution
Daaaang, you got me on this one. Really good job critically thinking about this and calling out my cherry picking fallacy
Too little too late, especially for the 38. Lincoln was a bad man in general. Him signing away tons of Native territory only makes matters worse.
@@ManiacMayhem7256 a bad man? Just tell us you haven’t read anything without telling us.
@@rcr-zt4of
I've read Battle Cry of Freedom. An academic book on the matter.
The fact that Lincoln is only 10th is, and I think Lincoln would agree with me here, mind blowing.
“Number 3 the emanc-“ would have been hilarious 😂
Though I see your points and reasoning (and respect you for sharing your opinion on this), I still think he was a very good president. But thanks to you, I will look at Lincoln with a more complete view. And it's okay that you don't think he was the best. At the end of the day, we are all people and are entitled to our own opinions.
For what it's worth, I still think he was a very good president as well. :)
He literally committed genocide. He's Hitler.
I think he was pretty bad
I think Daniel Day Lewis was ass portraying Lincoln, I didn't buy it, the movie was ass too
@@ManiacMayhem7256well at least he was better than Davis at the time
Waiting for the Lincoln Stan's in the comments.
The criticisms that Mr. Beat made are fair. But there’s a reason why Lincoln is always highly rated. Previously Mr. Beat said that if he was looking at it from a technical standpoint and not objective, Lincoln would be along side Washington.
Thanks Rata, and I also think it's important to recognize that I still feel like Lincoln is one of the best
Here
He stopped the vampires he’s a hero in anyone’s book
Imagine dealing with literal treason and having to answer to someone who wasn't there... 💀 💀 💀
I do think it's hard to argue Lincoln wasn't the greatest president in terms of sheer political ability.
True
Yea, reading about how he went from like one term as a US representative to President was a trip lol. To say nothing of all the political bullsh*t he had to deal with during his actual presidency. Lyndon B. Johnson was pretty talented at that too
That's no way to measure greatness in a real sense, especially in what is supposed to be democratic countries. In the same breath you could utter that most of the 20th century dictators were the greatest politicians ever. Lincoln was a tyrant, just like any political actor would be in his position, wars are terrible things for freedom. I am an Englishman, and I know for Americans, Lincoln is a hero on many levels. I have seen American media present him as a saint. In my perspective, if I'm to compare him to a great British politician, it would be Churchill. Both men faced a war, and both men sent young men to die in pointless battles during said war. I will say this, both men made the situation worse then it should have been, and if they did nothing in response to the wars, the world would be a much better place today. It's a hard thing to swallow but, I cannot find it to be untrue. Lincoln should have let the south be subjected to the huge slave population when they inevitably have had enough. Churchill should have not given the political power to Hitler to wage his total war.
A genius in that respect. Despite these three things, I’m still a huge Lincoln fan, but Mr Beats reasons are tough to argue-but it’s still important we remember the great things he did as well. Washington still the OG, and also Ulysses S Grant is underrated!
@@OuroborosAlchemist I respectfully disagree. Neville Chamberlain who had a philosophy similar to this is what allowed Hitler to grow so powerful in the first place. Sometimes pure democracy is just not the answer to strenuous situations.
It’s okay, Mr. Beat. Even though I’m not your favorite president, I am still a huge fan of your UA-cam channel nonetheless.
I don’t care about those things he saved the Union RAAAAAHHH 🦅 🇺🇸 Lincoln on top 😎
The main problem I have with Lincoln is that he freed the slaves
It's about time somebody said it!
To be Fair, he did have to try to return the southern states into the Union, meaning he needed to take Drastic Actions
Did he?
@@AA-bn7tf you think if he said "please join back into the union" the south would return?
@@AA-bn7tf Yes he did. And you know that.
I just don't think he had to take such drastic actions
@@iammrbeat Constitution says that Habeas Corpus can be suspended if there is an invasion or insurrection.
He only freed 4 million people from torture
1. In all three wars in which the future of the USA was at stake, the presidents have infringed on the 1st Amendment, and the SCOTUS has ratified their actions. 2. Congress was not in session when Lincoln suspended habeas corpus, but it ratified Lincoln' actions once it came back into session. 3. Lincoln was presented with a list of 300+ Native Americans condemned to death. Lincoln commuted the sentences of all but 30 or so of them.
Fair enough. I mean, sure Lincoln had his problems. Every President has (In fact I dare Mr Beat to say one thing about George Washington he disagrees with). But in the end, he still led the country through the civil war, preserved the Union, and deserves a lot of the credit for ending slavery, even if he was initially a moderate on the issue.
I think people were also confused as to why FDR wasn’t on that list.
Perhaps I will make the FDR video next then! Oh, and I do have criticisms about Washington. I laid them out in my video about him, albeit briefly.
@@iammrbeat FDR was pure trash
@@TheSpiritof1861 just like all US Presidents except JFK
@@Bobbythrasher69 lol
I’m early on a Mrbeat video
Thanks for being here early :)
Mr. Beast VS Mr. Beat
Lincoln is about to change theaters after this one 🗣🗣🗿🗿
I love how you always give reasoning and express your opinion civilly. If only the world had more Mr. Beats.
And he was also a vampire slayer that prolly killed off the last remaining few vampires there’s a documentary about it I believe it’s called Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter it’s pretty good released back in 2012 most of the documentary shows a reenactment
@@Grabthembypussycat That movie sucks. I liked it as a kid, before I realised it was some anti-vampiric propaganda.
you are SPOT ON, Matt - and you made a big acknowledgement which far outweighs the need for any apology. Once again, I salute you.
Well thanks for understanding. I know this is a controversial one!
Lincoln been real quiet since HE dropped 💯🙏🏻
Not having Lincoln in your top 3 should be punishable with jail time
"Laws are quiet in time's of war"
I didn’t notice but it does explain why he isn’t on your top 10 list, thank you for sharing. I still think Lincoln was one of the best presidents we have had and to be fair no president in history was perfect.
hell, most weren't even decent
Thank you for your thoughts. Learned some new things today!
Abraham Lincoln: hey, it's war baby...
1. Gorge Washington
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. Jhon F. Kennedy
4. Franklin D. Roosevelt
5. George W. Bush
I don’t know who is greater or greatest, but they r the most famous American President across the whole globe at least as an Asian I can confirm that.
George W Bush? For what?
@@randomtraveler9854 Bro. plz read my full comment.
I made this list only regarding their popularity and their legacy in world's history. Especially if we talk about George W Bush he is 21st century's one of most influential and controversial figure. I mean his declaration of "War on Terror" change the game forever.💀Atleast as a Muslim (confused) I can confirm that.
@@randomtraveler9854for Iraq🇮🇶 war
Wow I wasn’t aware of any of these three things! Thanks Mr. Beat!
1 and 2 are pretty normal for wartime and 3 is every president until the 20s
“We’re going to the mattresses boys” Abraham Soprano
First 2 we’re not too bad purely cause of circumstances of the time. The third one isn’t brilliant tho but he is still probably the best US president
I get that argument
He kept the union whole and that's why he will always be in my top 3
Very, very based. It's like nobody is allowed to criticize Lincoln without being called unsavory names
Bravo, Mr. Beat! This is an issue that is definitely not talked about enough.
Who didn’t hate the Native Americans then
All good criticisms.
He just changed my opinion
Patriotism means loving ones country enough to want to change it for the better, not ignoring it's flaws
A time of extreme emergency, none of these measures were meant to be permanent.
nothing more permenant then a temporary governemnt program
Personally I view the first one as part of his political genius. In times of war you do some bad and ugly things to win, but that may be one of my few radical beliefs.
I must concede he was a political genius
i can understand 1 and 2, in every single revolution and civil war often times these policies must be implemented to maintain stability in crisis. the third one on the other hand, well, uh-
“If I could unite the country without freeing the slaves, I would”- Abe Lincoln
If I could sustain the union or something like that. He just d wanted to do whatever was necessary to keep it together.
And thus: sic semper tyranus
So basically Lincoln was Based?
yeah being a dictator to beat the south is pretty cool
1.) They should be doing more of that these days.
2.) I agree with you.
3.) We weren't yet a complete nation and as such Natives weren't considered Americans with equal rights or even as human. Sadly that was the status quo of the era. It doesn't excuse it but it does put it in context, so for that time Lincoln treated them better than most.
Lincoln also only abolished slavery when he saw that outside forces from Europe were threatening to intervene on the side of the confederacy. Before that his only reason to fight the war was to uphold the union. So the “great emancipator” title isn’t truly earned IMO.
Cassius Clay also convinced the Russian government to tell other european countries that if they even *recognized* the confederacy, Russia would declare war on them
Ultimately, his good out weighed the bad. No President was flawless.
When he suspended habeas corpus the first time, it was to protect the railroads so members of Congress could get to washington. When he did it the second time, he had Congress’s full support
For a president in a civil war, Lincoln was incredibly restrained with any kind of power grabby stuff. Frankly the incredible accomplishments of his administration of reuniting the country and ENDING SLAVERY should put him at no. 1 on any list!
Only president to hunt vampires. Easy top 5 for that alone. Freeing the slaves was cool too i guess
He literally saved the us from vampires though
Nobody's perfect like how Jefferson and Washington were both slave owners
They didn't "own" those slaves the banks did hence why they coudlnd't free them in the way we all expect them too
certainly easier pill to swallow then Abe voting against anti slavery bills when he still held office in his home state of Illinois
There was an hour or so long video by The Rageaholic. Changed everything about Lincoln for me. Man was a tyrant.
Now hold on for a moment, because I've been there. I used to love those spicy takes, that are so true, but the rest of the population are indoctrinated sheeps. But then I did my own research and guess what... I discovered that those same guys that were "redpilling" me were lying to me. Rageaholic lies in that video Lincoln. It's not because you are stupid. It's because he is a grifter. They all are. They hope you will not check what they are saying because it sounds nice, or cool or edgy. But it will get better. Whatever dark stuff you are going in life will get better. You will get better.
Watch Vlogging Through History's response to The Rageaholic. Lincoln wasn't a tyrant.
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He absolutely was. Ive seen vlogging's videos, and they in every way fail to retort Rage's video. Its exact proof to never make an unscripted response. He fails to make a good excuse for the suspending of corpus, the draconian response to draft riots, the war crimes of Sherman including against slvs, the arrest of thousands of political opponents, and more. He instead tends to straw man and is a master of rambling without making a point. You can visibly and audibly hear him struggle to come up with excuses. Lincoln was a tyrant, he oppressed Natives, and theres a good reason native protestors defiled his statue
@@ManiacMayhem7256 He was fighting a rebellion. No other president had to deal with the issue on the same scale so OF COURSE he had looks like a tyrant in comparison. Did he overreach with his power? Maybe. But that's nothing uniquely evil. The question of Federal control limitations is as old as America itself. Had Lincoln been too lenient towards opponents of the war effort he might have not been able to hold the nation together. These weren't easy decisions with clear clean-cut answers.
Vlogging perfectly explained why Sherman abandoned the slaves in that one battle. There simply was no better option. I don't see what else needs said.
Lincoln wasn't exceptionally cruel with Native Americans. In fact, on one occasion he saved many from execution despite the fact it may have cost him votes.
Also, Lincoln the "tyrant" was the one repeatedly calling for the Southern states to stay in the Union while affirming the limitations of his power as president. As he said in his first inaugural address, the monumental issue of Civil War was in the South's hands.
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George Washington did, and he violated less human rights and his own values far less than Lincoln did. It ain't a maybe that Lincoln was a tyrant, it's a definite. Arresting any and all dissidents, implementing a draft rich people can dodge but the poor cannot, persecuting natives, the works. He could've won the war without doing this, as all these actions only worsened criticism of him. Streisand effect. "He needed to hold the nation together" I despise the CSA but the world would've been better had USA balkanized. No Vietnam War, no Iraq War, no drug war, no CIA toppling of governments around the world. Lincoln sought to preserve capitalist power and US imperialism. There's no excuse persecuting dissidents. Wilson and Bush did the same thing and we condemn them.
Vlogging's excuse was poor, and seemingly never ponders "hey instead of leaving the slaves to die, doing war crimes against slaves as well as making another group feel so helpless they jumped in a river, he could've at the very least tell them to go north like abolitionists had been doing for decades"
He ran the biggest mass execution of natives in US history and signed away millions of acres of their land. He was criticized for it even at the time. Your distortion of history is easily exposed. He didn't pardon these men, not in the traditional sense, he simply changed their sentences from a death penalty to imprisonment. They still faced their unjust sentences by the hands of the US government. There's a reason native protestors recently defiled his statue.
"Affirming the limitations of his own power" and contradicting that statement at every turn. Lincoln was a tyrant, and he was put in office by capitalists who wished to preserve and expand their industrial institutions. They were scared that the small scale rebellions of Nat Turner and the like would expand to anti capitalism, so they needed a war to make things more favorable for them. Slavery didn't end after Lincoln btw. See Knowing Better's video on neoslavery. Howard Zinn, a Marxist, proves my points on Lincoln
I’ve always wondered why he wasn’t on that list. I didn’t even know Lincoln did these things
Those three things make me want to dig deeper to know why it was done. What was the logic or reasoning. Moreover, how much of it is true?
Dude general Pope said he was going to personally annihilate the Sioux in Minnesota. Lincoln personally intervened and reduced the number of condemned Indians from over 300 to 38. The 38 who had indiscriminately killed women or children during the uprising.
Thats what i said
Yeah, and a lot of the mass executions he is talking about are of Natives who had committed heinous crimes in the name of the confederacy they were allied with
When it comes to #1 and #2, this is a right that tends to go out the window during any civil war, let alone during most regular conflicts. Its hard to hit Lincoln with a fair enough penalty considering that those are fairly normal consequences in those circumstances.
#3 pretty rough though ngl
Lincoln never went to war to stop slavery, as a matter of fact there's a letter he wrote saying he could care less about them. He was more worried about keeping the country together
Lincoln was morally opposed to slavery and he said so publicly. He was consistently anti-slavery for his entire political career. One letter doesn’t negate an entire career of opposition to slavery.
@@SimonBellaMondo morally opposed to slavery doesn't mean he's anti slavery all together. He still allowed slavery in Union states where slavery was legal for understandable reasons, his emancipation proclamation applied to the 'rebel' states. The civil war for him was more about preserving the union, he just didn't want slavery to expand further.
@@ExPraetorianGuard-dl1pz He had to do that to keep the support of southern states that were on the union side. Lincoln was a strong supporter of the 13th amendment freeing all slaves which passed in December of 1865 the same year he died.
Give the guy a break. Vampire hunting is a tricky business.
Can you elaborate on what “mass executions” you’re talking about for point 3? From what I recall, large amounts of warriors were slated to be executed after the Eastern Sioux Massacre, but Lincoln’s influence actually led to far fewer receiving the death penalty
As a matter of fact. Lincoln ordered that no natives should be executed without his approval. Later, Lincoln personally read the case files of the 300 or so charged men to determine if they deserved death. Most of those men were not killed and only around 20 were executed.
@@cornballfungus yeah, I usually love Mr. Beat, but somehow he failed to research this point fully and just bought into a trendy narrative, which is a bit disappointing
@@beachboysandrewI’m amused that you think you’ve debunked something because you found someone else that agrees with you.
@@gravesidepoet5405 it has nothing to do with who agrees with whom, a quick Internet search about the Eastern Sioux Massacre and five minutes of reading would confirm we’re right
Still the GOAT
Hey, its war baby. What you gonna do?
-lincon probably
"We love President Lincoln"
Black man: Oh hell ya 😏👍
Indian:😦😡
*Sweating Intensifies*