I think hardest part for me is upgrading this deck just because all 100 cards are warhammer art and vibe. Feels almost weird to put in regular mtg cards. Not sure if anyone else feels the same way, I love this deck and all the precons for warhammer, but i think this might be my first precon I just leave alone and keep as a very casual deck when needed
I personally slammed Be'lakor as my commander in a Demon Tribal deck, and I found as a non-40k player the demons honestly blend into the aesthetic of regular mtg demons pretty well! And when you build Be'lakor, he can be a total HOUSE with any Flicker subtheme. And even then, Abaddon is so cool that I'm half tempted to rip apart my rakdos Lord of Riots deck and splice the two! Love this deck!
Plus we got Raphael for Demon beatdown. That Lord effect is one more damage off Be'lakor and lifelink is purty good if you use Citadel to cast more demons off the top.
Same here - time to instead finally build Rakdos, Lord of Riots in a strictly “mechanically optimal” way (lots of colourless creature spells etc.). And put all of that Demon goodness into Be’lakor.
First thing I upgraded was adding more ramp to this deck. The curve is really top-heavy and adding the guild signets, Fellwar Stone, and Nightscape Familiar really helped for smoothing things out.
You don't wanna cascade into 4 signets in a row tho, as someone who cascaded into sol ring, talisman, talisman, wayfarers bauble in the late game 4 turns in a row. Agree ramp should be attached to value in cascade decks.
@@3N3MYKN1GHT at the same time though, you still wanna ramp as fast as possible early game, otherwise you can't cast anything at all. there's definitely a balance to be had; probably pick only the best small rocks and limit that to a certain number.
Ashlen, you can use the excuse that Solumn Simulacrum is included in the deck because of the Dark Mechanicum and is actually a daemon's soul forcibly interred into a siumlacrum of itself. See, it still works! :D
These 40k decks really made you realise how many people can't read words they haven't seen before, not pronunciation, just moving letters around randomly.
“Astrates” hurt my soul… I refuse to believe somebody was a regional manager in GW store and hasn’t seen the words “Astartes, Primarch, Be’lakor” these are words that have been used by GW for literally decades. The primarchs where mentioned back in the late 90s
Can't wait to get my hands on these decks. They're on their way! Will alter the cards I'll add new ones! Altough I must say I hope there will be a Warhammer Fantasy version of these decks some time in the future too as it's.. Well, fantasy!
Love them both, I also feel they are very good at the podcast job! But.. I miss the old days of Jimmy and Josh, their chemistry is what got me into this UA-cam channel, and nowadays it is hard to find a video with both of them P.s. I like that DJ is more in the channel, I would love to see him on Extra Turns P.S 2: I think DJ and Ashlyn have really good chemistry!
Cardkingdom used to have fast shipping, but the last few months has definitely been slower, sometimes even slower than the individual sellers on TCGPlayer.
sadly agree. you're in blue, so there are better draw options. only reason I can see him work is if you wanted to give things to your opponents for some reason.
O think brainstorm type of effect cards would fit great, its nice to know what you will pull with cascade, sensei's top and scroll rack probably make this deck shine even more
@@MalteLewandowski agreed. it probably makes more sense to load the deck with good-value cards to cascade into, while still being reasonable with the curve.
I've recently been getting into warhammer lore because of these decks, and I felt kinda heartbroken taking out some of these cards just because the aesthetic is so cool! I went with Be'lakor as my commander because I love demon tribal, but I'll miss The Horus Heresy.
I think their design principles coincide with their approach to reprints which is why they HAVE to make sure certain cards aren’t TOO good when they are in certain products.
Considering the price of these puppies, I'd suggest cutting the upgrade budget in half, at minimum, but even better than that - just keep it as it is and play it against other 40k precons.
I was playing a precon game with my opponent playing this deck and me playing the temur deck proceeded to put bone sabers on to a Kharn on turn 4 to cause so much chaos
When Ashlen says she was a regional manager for Games Workshop, but she is unfamiliar with the term 'Astartes'. That makes me think of my father-in-law who was captain of the swimming team, even though he couldn't swim 😅 (For reference, 'Astartes' is an in-fiction term for 'Space Marine')
Were they always known as Astartes or were they just "Space Marines" back in the day and they added the term Asartes later? I tried to look up to give her some credibility but I couldn't find a good solid answer.
@@colkrakers1987 Oh no need, I was only making a silly pedantic joke 😅 I mean, I enjoyed maths enough to keep studying it until I was 19. But I only discovered that I was wrong about how you round up when I was 17. Sometimes you just don't get fundamental bits of information.
@@colkrakers1987 Astartes was a later and copyrightable term for Space Marines, before the release of the Horus Heresy series and the focus on Primarchs. It makes perfect sense for someone who quit a long time ago to know only Space Marine as a name.
@@colkrakers1987 They were always referred to both ways. Technically they are the Adeptus Astartes, and have been afaik since at least 3rd edition (40k is currently on 8th or 9th ed). There are a few others like the Adeptus Arbites and the Adeptus Custodes.... They're in lore terms, "adeptus" basically meaning branch or division or department. But the big name on the front of the codex books (ie army rulebooks) and boxes of models were "Space Marine" until some time around 7th ed or so--relatively recently. So, if one didn't consume much lore or didn't read any of the Space Marine armybooks, they might have not really picked up on it.
@@catbookworm6438 Adeptus Astartes was always in the lore. It just wasn't on the front of army books and boxes and stuff till later when they changed a lot of names (like Eldar to "Aeldari"). Probably for more easy copyright enforcement lmao... GW has the biggest law-boner. I was definitely aware of both names in my teenage days hanging around GW stores, but I was also a nerd reading all the rulebooks cover to cover and reading the 40k novels for fun.
Ashlen, excellent work here. You really dug into the mechanics and added not just good cards but cards that will make the deck more cohesive. One of the best deck upgrades I've seen on this channel. My only minor disagreement is Chandra... PWs aren't great outside superfriends, and she's a flavor fail. An interesting choice might be a clone like Clever Impersonator, because you set up the potential of cascading into a copy of your more expensive spell.
Whats funny to me is DJ thinks 4.5 boardwipes is good, yet 14 removal spells is too high? I would argue you don't really want more than 2 board wipes, and you really wanna be around 15 interactive/removal spells, ive found decks just play better with those ratios.
Totally depends on the meta. Everyone knowadays is repeating this mantra of "we need more single target removal", whereas a few year ago it was said that its bad from a card advantage point of view (and it still is technically bad). Boardwipes can make a lot of sense, depending on your meta, as they are so efficient. However, personally I also tend to go more towards single target removal than board wipes, but rarely go over 10.
@@MalteLewandowski I think building to a meta is generally bad deck building. The problem then becomes, the more games you play, the more likely the rest of the group is likely to build different decks. I just build like i'm expecting to play with a bunch of random people, and its always worked perfectly. I think if you aren't over 10, you're just likely to not have answers for problems, i tend to be in the range of 15-20 interactive pieces in my decks (alot of those do others things)
@@spudster8887 mayeb if you're playign cedh, but if you're playing a game that expects to last an hour or more, spells like these get clunky and you could be doing other things with your mana.
Maybe. Counterspells to me fit the Eldar and maybe some of the Imperium's psykers more than Chaos. Chaos is usually the aggressor. Not so much trying to stop anyone else's plan as much as advance their own proactively. Tzeentch maybe could have some countermagic, but polymorphing and transforming spells is way more on theme (change, is the theme). Whereas the Imperium or Eldar *do* try to like "stop the chaos ritual" or otherwise foil the plans of the "bad guys" a lot more often than the reverse. So I would disagree unless the countermagic is somehow Tzeentch-flavored tricky changey stuff. Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh.... They don't seem like they would do counters, pretty much at all. Slaanesh would take your shit, absolutely, so maybe something like Spelljack. But not just "counterspell," in my opinion.
Instead of Aurora Phoenix you should add Boarding Party to this deck. Unlike phoenixes, pirates exist in 40K and are outlaws to the Imperium. Same MV too but less colored pips.
Maybe dont do valuation of a deck that doesnt have the typical deck style. Just seems like a bubble of time that means nothing in the end. Granted in the future youll be able to compare this deck to future releases of this style.
a deck like this is hard to valuate because not only can it go in multiple directions it also seems to just want to be, well,...chaotic. all you can really say is it's not viable for cedh, but that applies to a lot of decks, including the other three 40k ones.
If there was one group of precons that you guys should have skipped doing this with it was the Warhammer set. Just leave these decks alone and have fun with them.
I knew these cards having English spellings would throw the yanks off hahahaha I laughed out loud when she pronounced Armour as Armore. Its just Armour spelled properly love
You could easily spend the budget just upgrading the manabase, and have a better one. They just focus on the fun mechanical part of the deck instead because the manabase is generally straightforward. Shocklands, the commander lands, checklands, tangolands, painlands, fetchlands.... They will all do the trick and make your manabase faster and more reliable.
the first thing I would throw in here is Neheb, the eternal. it is 9.5 $, but yeah. he gets you the mana when you do damage to your opponents' faces. the triangle thing is called a "delta" :) not sure what the letter is called when it's above an A though.
@@k9commander that being said, Fortell does work with several other cards in the deck, such as Keeper of Secrets and The Lost and the Damned. Also, Passionate Archaeologist if you add that.
Love you guys and the show, but it was a little painful to watch the Regional Manager of GW mispronounce astartes, Be'lakor etc. Knowing how much love you put in the show, I would do some prep ahead of a recording like this and get the pronounciation checked.
Yeah, like she said "they didn't used to be called that" but they did, just not on the cover of the books. It was inside them or in the novels or fluff.... Teenage me definitely knew what the Adeptus Astartes were even though the books and boxes said "Space Marine" on the covers.... As did the GW employees that put up with a bunch of obnoxious 14 year olds at the store in the mall lol. Not like I think it makes her any less credible but I was kinda like "alright dude whatever" lol
So I'm confused about where the $65 reprint value comes from. You said that this deck has 34 reprints (which you say multiple times is half the number you usually see). You also said that the reprints have total value $42. So if the number of reprints is half, would the $42 would not also be "half"? Which would make the extrapolated value $84, which does meet the average reprint expectation. Where did the $65 come from?
Here's my guess. You're not going to get more reprints of cards in the $10 range. The remaining reprints would each be under $5. Most of them under $2.
Prosper ain't the easiest to add in when you have an average of $3 per card and it's sitting around $10. Not to mention it can be difficult to find since every who bought the precon likely kept Prosper as a deck.
it really hurts considering this is 4. out of 5. videos on on warhammer topic and noone has the energy to actually check a wiki for information about 40k. i don't play it but even i went to google about my deck.
this one was by far my least favorite of this series and i tend to love these types of videos. Just some constructive feedback. The pacing in this one was pretty bad. typically these are super well formated and informative. This felt more like excessive filler. the guy was rambling and discussing literally every single card that was cut out for like 5 minutes each. When they were cut because they were not a good fit for the deck. arguing why each cut should be in the deck felt counter productive. the worst example of this was with the tallyman. it was like 5 minutes talking about abs on zombies and the tally guy and how his effect was super strong, when it was a cut not an ad. overall love this series and i can't wait to see the others.
The biggest problem here: so many of these cards are ALREADY really good, it would feel more like lessening it's value rather then upgrading it, to add more BUDGET FREINDLY cards to it.
they're playable, but still die to optimized decks. at minimum, I think it makes sense to take out some of the weaker cards and replace them with cheap draw or rocks.
14:05 12 card draw?! Where are you getting 12 card draw? I counted out card draw in this deck - there were like 3 dedicated cards that actually drew cards reliably I spent like 6 games testing this deck not drawing cards, Command Zone has gotten complacent in its deck reviews
I enjoy these, but guys, it takes 10 seconds to do a google search of someone else in the 40k community saying these words. don't be so afraid of Astartes, Primarch annd Be'lakor.
I think hardest part for me is upgrading this deck just because all 100 cards are warhammer art and vibe. Feels almost weird to put in regular mtg cards. Not sure if anyone else feels the same way, I love this deck and all the precons for warhammer, but i think this might be my first precon I just leave alone and keep as a very casual deck when needed
Absolutely feel the same way even the thought of taking out the basic lands hurt me
Agreed! The deck needs a better curve, but taking out the flavor is tough.
Same. I'm really tempted to set aside cards I want to add and make some proxies with 40k borders and art so they look right in the deck.
Same boat man I want to buy all four and keep them together as a little self contained pod
I mean, it’s chaos. Getting things that are goofy looking at one point was part of its theme.
10 Cards in:
Baleful Strix
Blood Speaker
Solemn Simulacrum
Delayed Blast Fireball
Nalfeshnee
Aurora Phoenix
Profane Tutor
Inevitable Betrayal
Price of Progress
Chandra, Torch of Defiance
Honorable Mentions:
Wheel of Misfortune
Volcanic Fallout
Flame Rift
Aeon Engine
Neheb, the Eternal
10 Cards out:
Wayfarer's Bauble
Nurgle's Rot
Poxwalkers
Tallyman of Nurgle
Venomcrawler
Helbrute
Mortarion, Daemon Primarch
Bile Blight
Chaos Terminator Lord
The Horus Heresy
not all heroes wear capes
"Abbadon, he's not a demon, couldn't care less about them" is a surprisingly lore-accurate statement
The only accurate statement she made haha, ironically worked for GW also
I personally slammed Be'lakor as my commander in a Demon Tribal deck, and I found as a non-40k player the demons honestly blend into the aesthetic of regular mtg demons pretty well! And when you build Be'lakor, he can be a total HOUSE with any Flicker subtheme. And even then, Abaddon is so cool that I'm half tempted to rip apart my rakdos Lord of Riots deck and splice the two! Love this deck!
Plus we got Raphael for Demon beatdown. That Lord effect is one more damage off Be'lakor and lifelink is purty good if you use Citadel to cast more demons off the top.
I actually thought the same.. Excpecially about my rakdos deck 😅
Same here - time to instead finally build Rakdos, Lord of Riots in a strictly “mechanically optimal” way (lots of colourless creature spells etc.). And put all of that Demon goodness into Be’lakor.
Thanks to Khans of Tarkir, Kaladesh, Neon Dynasty and these decks, it is totally possible to make the Jaghatai Khan deck I've always wanted
Can I check the deck list my friend
First thing I upgraded was adding more ramp to this deck. The curve is really top-heavy and adding the guild signets, Fellwar Stone, and Nightscape Familiar really helped for smoothing things out.
cheap draw spells that give you a lot for a little like windfall or wheel of misfortune might also come in handy.
You don't wanna cascade into 4 signets in a row tho, as someone who cascaded into sol ring, talisman, talisman, wayfarers bauble in the late game 4 turns in a row. Agree ramp should be attached to value in cascade decks.
@@3N3MYKN1GHT at the same time though, you still wanna ramp as fast as possible early game, otherwise you can't cast anything at all. there's definitely a balance to be had; probably pick only the best small rocks and limit that to a certain number.
Ashlen, you can use the excuse that Solumn Simulacrum is included in the deck because of the Dark Mechanicum and is actually a daemon's soul forcibly interred into a siumlacrum of itself. See, it still works! :D
I think at this point if you can afford the precon then you are already out of 'budget' territory.
Not if you preordered early :P
@@wormer104 Same lol
@@wormer104 Exactly
@@wormer104 damn, my preorder got cancelled and I had to reorder
they will print more. do not pay secondary market price.
The thought of cutting that much of the nurgle core hurts me so much even though it makes sense to make the deck stronger
These 40k decks really made you realise how many people can't read words they haven't seen before, not pronunciation, just moving letters around randomly.
“Astrates” hurt my soul…
I refuse to believe somebody was a regional manager in GW store and hasn’t seen the words “Astartes, Primarch, Be’lakor” these are words that have been used by GW for literally decades. The primarchs where mentioned back in the late 90s
@@I-am-Ranb0it was difficult to listen to
Americans* didn't see any of my friends/home country creators mispronouncing as bad american magic creators.
For me it's demon tribal all the way. Lord xander finally has his place.
Also the cascade subtheme fits it perfectly.
That's crazy and a good idea
still the best edh channel, love it too when jumbo commander is in it
i look back at your old videos and you guys have really come a long way.
I like to see how all the upgraded precons perform in game knights or extra turns.
The episode is already out
The upgraded version?
Can't wait to get my hands on these decks. They're on their way! Will alter the cards I'll add new ones! Altough I must say I hope there will be a Warhammer Fantasy version of these decks some time in the future too as it's.. Well, fantasy!
honestly the upgrade they did....really didn't improve the deck too much
agreed. It really needs better draw and more efficient ramp. they added neither.
Love them both, I also feel they are very good at the podcast job! But.. I miss the old days of Jimmy and Josh, their chemistry is what got me into this UA-cam channel, and nowadays it is hard to find a video with both of them
P.s. I like that DJ is more in the channel, I would love to see him on Extra Turns
P.S 2: I think DJ and Ashlyn have really good chemistry!
Cardkingdom used to have fast shipping, but the last few months has definitely been slower, sometimes even slower than the individual sellers on TCGPlayer.
I still refuse to do business with them due to their blatantly dishonest grading practices on trade-ins.
I want more games playing these decks. I’ve watched the first one your channel did, please do more.
I think Lightning Greaves should make the cut to protect Abaddon. 😶
Yes this is awesome! Hopefully you make the other two 40k Decks
i want to see your take on 30th anniversary edition JLK + others 😀
@@Scantronimus466 yes, that is why i want to see it😂 i want to hear their pathetic excuses and lies, lol. funny to see what money makes people do😁
Thanks for the info. I appreciate you guys making this vid.
Pestilence is the first card I thought of for this deck.
Ashlen pronouncing Astartes absolutely made me burst into laughter 🤣
sounds like she got it right first time to me?
At least she ended up getting it right. 😄
Then proceeded to butcher it afterwards
@@dcohen1359 yeah, I don't blame her though I still have a hard time pronouncing Tzeentch.
She got it right but half way through started pronouncing it aSTRATes 😅
They are the GODS of Chaos, you lapdogs of the false emperor!
Rakdos Lord of Riots would be a perfect fit
the last few episodes the mic on our left(?) has sounded kinda funny
I'm not gonna change cards yet but the cards I know I'm adding: Sneak attack, Neheb the Eternal, Prosper the tome bound, descent into avernus
I dont know what it is, but i cant help but like DJ he seems like such a wholesome guy
I would cut kharn bc he seems to give your opponents more value than you (the caster)
sadly agree. you're in blue, so there are better draw options. only reason I can see him work is if you wanted to give things to your opponents for some reason.
“This might be on the lower end when it comes to financial value” is a very incorrect guess, never underestimate FOMO.
O think brainstorm type of effect cards would fit great, its nice to know what you will pull with cascade, sensei's top and scroll rack probably make this deck shine even more
Yes on a first thought, but from my experience its always a feelbad if you cascade into one of your brainstorm effects. So its a give and take.
@@MalteLewandowski agreed. it probably makes more sense to load the deck with good-value cards to cascade into, while still being reasonable with the curve.
I've recently been getting into warhammer lore because of these decks, and I felt kinda heartbroken taking out some of these cards just because the aesthetic is so cool! I went with Be'lakor as my commander because I love demon tribal, but I'll miss The Horus Heresy.
War hammer has some of the best lore in any fictional creation ever
Some cards Wizards could've done a better job of designing. I get that they didn't want to create any "staples," but come on.
I think their design principles coincide with their approach to reprints which is why they HAVE to make sure certain cards aren’t TOO good when they are in certain products.
One of my favorite deck is Yidris so definitely a fan of this
Did everyone forget about Prince of Thralls? Cascade into that!
Only watching this video for the stats break down. Can’t make any changes to these decks for all those reasons everyone stated.
had already updated this deck to deal with top deck manipulation, and the only cut I also cut was The horus Heresy.
I've been waiting for this one
The double strike with the commander won me a game today with his trample an double strike i cascaded good and won
Considering the price of these puppies, I'd suggest cutting the upgrade budget in half, at minimum, but even better than that - just keep it as it is and play it against other 40k precons.
"A little bit of a Chaotic element to the deck" well sure, they are chaos xD
I feel like the reprint stats just don't work for these 40k decks. Some of them are worth over $200 but that's mostly due to new cards.
I was playing a precon game with my opponent playing this deck and me playing the temur deck proceeded to put bone sabers on to a Kharn on turn 4 to cause so much chaos
I want a Angron" the red angel" card
Ajani is part of the GateWatch and he was a sleepy boy
Suspiciously quiet this channel about the 30th “anniversary” bs, makes me wonder why.
Theses upgrades were great yay more powerful cards
Not budget friendly, but repercussion would let you hit opponents easier through creatures and damage based board wipes
When Ashlen says she was a regional manager for Games Workshop, but she is unfamiliar with the term 'Astartes'. That makes me think of my father-in-law who was captain of the swimming team, even though he couldn't swim 😅
(For reference, 'Astartes' is an in-fiction term for 'Space Marine')
Were they always known as Astartes or were they just "Space Marines" back in the day and they added the term Asartes later? I tried to look up to give her some credibility but I couldn't find a good solid answer.
@@colkrakers1987 Oh no need, I was only making a silly pedantic joke 😅
I mean, I enjoyed maths enough to keep studying it until I was 19. But I only discovered that I was wrong about how you round up when I was 17. Sometimes you just don't get fundamental bits of information.
@@colkrakers1987 Astartes was a later and copyrightable term for Space Marines, before the release of the Horus Heresy series and the focus on Primarchs. It makes perfect sense for someone who quit a long time ago to know only Space Marine as a name.
@@colkrakers1987 They were always referred to both ways. Technically they are the Adeptus Astartes, and have been afaik since at least 3rd edition (40k is currently on 8th or 9th ed). There are a few others like the Adeptus Arbites and the Adeptus Custodes.... They're in lore terms, "adeptus" basically meaning branch or division or department.
But the big name on the front of the codex books (ie army rulebooks) and boxes of models were "Space Marine" until some time around 7th ed or so--relatively recently. So, if one didn't consume much lore or didn't read any of the Space Marine armybooks, they might have not really picked up on it.
@@catbookworm6438 Adeptus Astartes was always in the lore. It just wasn't on the front of army books and boxes and stuff till later when they changed a lot of names (like Eldar to "Aeldari"). Probably for more easy copyright enforcement lmao... GW has the biggest law-boner. I was definitely aware of both names in my teenage days hanging around GW stores, but I was also a nerd reading all the rulebooks cover to cover and reading the 40k novels for fun.
Awesome deck building ideas !1 Love it! Thank you!
If I had a dream job and money didn’t matter, it would be teaching content creators how to pronounce fantasy names.
Kediss emberclaw familiar makes for great splash damage
Ashlen, excellent work here. You really dug into the mechanics and added not just good cards but cards that will make the deck more cohesive. One of the best deck upgrades I've seen on this channel. My only minor disagreement is Chandra... PWs aren't great outside superfriends, and she's a flavor fail. An interesting choice might be a clone like Clever Impersonator, because you set up the potential of cascading into a copy of your more expensive spell.
Whats funny to me is DJ thinks 4.5 boardwipes is good, yet 14 removal spells is too high? I would argue you don't really want more than 2 board wipes, and you really wanna be around 15 interactive/removal spells, ive found decks just play better with those ratios.
Totally depends on the meta. Everyone knowadays is repeating this mantra of "we need more single target removal", whereas a few year ago it was said that its bad from a card advantage point of view (and it still is technically bad). Boardwipes can make a lot of sense, depending on your meta, as they are so efficient. However, personally I also tend to go more towards single target removal than board wipes, but rarely go over 10.
@@MalteLewandowski I think building to a meta is generally bad deck building. The problem then becomes, the more games you play, the more likely the rest of the group is likely to build different decks. I just build like i'm expecting to play with a bunch of random people, and its always worked perfectly. I think if you aren't over 10, you're just likely to not have answers for problems, i tend to be in the range of 15-20 interactive pieces in my decks (alot of those do others things)
15 is a lot for target removal spells. I'd say at least a good 5-7 of those have to serve an alternate function as well, like be big bodies.
@@erubin100 Generally they can, but i really disagree that 15 is alot of single target removal. I would argue any less isn't enough tbh
@@spudster8887 mayeb if you're playign cedh, but if you're playing a game that expects to last an hour or more, spells like these get clunky and you could be doing other things with your mana.
I was talking to my mates who are BIG 40K players and when I asked about counter spells in Chaos they said it was right on theme. Thoughts?
Maybe. Counterspells to me fit the Eldar and maybe some of the Imperium's psykers more than Chaos. Chaos is usually the aggressor. Not so much trying to stop anyone else's plan as much as advance their own proactively. Tzeentch maybe could have some countermagic, but polymorphing and transforming spells is way more on theme (change, is the theme). Whereas the Imperium or Eldar *do* try to like "stop the chaos ritual" or otherwise foil the plans of the "bad guys" a lot more often than the reverse.
So I would disagree unless the countermagic is somehow Tzeentch-flavored tricky changey stuff. Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh.... They don't seem like they would do counters, pretty much at all. Slaanesh would take your shit, absolutely, so maybe something like Spelljack. But not just "counterspell," in my opinion.
Instead of Aurora Phoenix you should add Boarding Party to this deck. Unlike phoenixes, pirates exist in 40K and are outlaws to the Imperium. Same MV too but less colored pips.
If you're prioritizing flavor, yes. However, the phoenix is more powerful as it can return to the hand from the grave, to be cast, and cascade again.
Forever calling it "now-fish-knee"
Can you guys upload the link with the cards to add into the deck?
Interesting. No cEDH-Shauna listed as part of the Command Zone team anymore!
uh-start-ees. You had it right the first time. ;-)
Possibility storm more chaos
Wonder why they switched back to card kingdom
Disappointed that Rakdos, Lord of Riots was not mentioned here
The original Solemn Simulacrum artwork would fit better in this deck. Looks more like a guy in a powerarmor
right the first time Ashlen
Maybe dont do valuation of a deck that doesnt have the typical deck style. Just seems like a bubble of time that means nothing in the end. Granted in the future youll be able to compare this deck to future releases of this style.
a deck like this is hard to valuate because not only can it go in multiple directions it also seems to just want to be, well,...chaotic. all you can really say is it's not viable for cedh, but that applies to a lot of decks, including the other three 40k ones.
more dj more dj more dj lets go
I cant in good faith decon this deck..
financial value is kind of silly to worry. as long as its more than the value of what you pay for the deck plus reasonable upgrades.
If there was one group of precons that you guys should have skipped doing this with it was the Warhammer set. Just leave these decks alone and have fun with them.
I knew these cards having English spellings would throw the yanks off hahahaha I laughed out loud when she pronounced Armour as Armore. Its just Armour spelled properly love
Is it too expensive to upgrade the slow mana base?
They generally don't discuss the mana base on these upgrade guides because it wouldn't be interesting. Better lands are better.
@@EliyaSelhub not if you're clever about it. There are budget options such as the Tainted lands.
You could easily spend the budget just upgrading the manabase, and have a better one. They just focus on the fun mechanical part of the deck instead because the manabase is generally straightforward. Shocklands, the commander lands, checklands, tangolands, painlands, fetchlands.... They will all do the trick and make your manabase faster and more reliable.
These days I really think 12-14 ramp is the sweet spot, 10 just feels so low sometimes
that's really sad that this is what the game has devolved into...
Every guy wants lady danger
ok ashleen i really dont agree on all ur card that you are putting out the deck....
the first thing I would throw in here is Neheb, the eternal. it is 9.5 $, but yeah. he gets you the mana when you do damage to your opponents' faces.
the triangle thing is called a "delta" :) not sure what the letter is called when it's above an A though.
Neheb has been $20 since July of 2021
Yo Post Malone got a secret lair!!!
First out, there's wayfarer's bauble
Kinda dumb that she took out that card but left in worn powerstone. Bauble is so much better imo!
Does the cascade from Abaddon works with Foretell? It has to be casted from the hand, right?
Foretell, not really. The specific card she added in, yes.
@@k9commander that being said, Fortell does work with several other cards in the deck, such as Keeper of Secrets and The Lost and the Damned. Also, Passionate Archaeologist if you add that.
Kharn is more like group punchy
Love you guys and the show, but it was a little painful to watch the Regional Manager of GW mispronounce astartes, Be'lakor etc.
Knowing how much love you put in the show, I would do some prep ahead of a recording like this and get the pronounciation checked.
Yeah, like she said "they didn't used to be called that" but they did, just not on the cover of the books. It was inside them or in the novels or fluff.... Teenage me definitely knew what the Adeptus Astartes were even though the books and boxes said "Space Marine" on the covers.... As did the GW employees that put up with a bunch of obnoxious 14 year olds at the store in the mall lol. Not like I think it makes her any less credible but I was kinda like "alright dude whatever" lol
So I'm confused about where the $65 reprint value comes from. You said that this deck has 34 reprints (which you say multiple times is half the number you usually see). You also said that the reprints have total value $42. So if the number of reprints is half, would the $42 would not also be "half"? Which would make the extrapolated value $84, which does meet the average reprint expectation. Where did the $65 come from?
Here's my guess.
You're not going to get more reprints of cards in the $10 range. The remaining reprints would each be under $5. Most of them under $2.
26min to find they didn't use Be'lakor disappointing. 😢
I honestly think she made the deck worse. Normally I like the upgrades but idk... no Prosper either oof
Prosper ain't the easiest to add in when you have an average of $3 per card and it's sitting around $10. Not to mention it can be difficult to find since every who bought the precon likely kept Prosper as a deck.
@@BurnByMoonlight control P
She didn't put in Wheel of Misfortune, one of the best cards in red. That should tell you a lot.
Yeah this is an L “upgrade” I’m keeping it as is.
it really hurts considering this is 4. out of 5. videos on on warhammer topic and noone has the energy to actually check a wiki for information about 40k. i don't play it but even i went to google about my deck.
Horus Heresy is good because you just cascade this out and then just end the game the next turn lmao.
Bee'Liquer lollll. poor Be'lakor, shafted in Immortal Empires start location, and mtg ppl cant pronounce his name.
this one was by far my least favorite of this series and i tend to love these types of videos. Just some constructive feedback. The pacing in this one was pretty bad. typically these are super well formated and informative.
This felt more like excessive filler. the guy was rambling and discussing literally every single card that was cut out for like 5 minutes each. When they were cut because they were not a good fit for the deck. arguing why each cut should be in the deck felt counter productive. the worst example of this was with the tallyman. it was like 5 minutes talking about abs on zombies and the tally guy and how his effect was super strong, when it was a cut not an ad.
overall love this series and i can't wait to see the others.
So hard to watch this with him jumping in. Ugh, sorry wasn't the video for me.
How are you sleeping on loyal subordinate.... In a 4 player match it will do 9 damage for just being out with the commander.
Prices in Europe: x30...
I changed two cards, rakdos lord of riots and sensei's divining top.
The biggest problem here: so many of these cards are ALREADY really good, it would feel more like lessening it's value rather then upgrading it, to add more BUDGET FREINDLY cards to it.
they're playable, but still die to optimized decks. at minimum, I think it makes sense to take out some of the weaker cards and replace them with cheap draw or rocks.
There is stuff in all these decks that is clunky or doesn't fit in really...
I didn't like this upgrade guide.
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12 card draw?! Where are you getting 12 card draw? I counted out card draw in this deck - there were like 3 dedicated cards that actually drew cards reliably
I spent like 6 games testing this deck not drawing cards, Command Zone has gotten complacent in its deck reviews
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I enjoy these, but guys, it takes 10 seconds to do a google search of someone else in the 40k community saying these words. don't be so afraid of Astartes, Primarch annd Be'lakor.
Really feels like you couldn't be bothered, and that's discouraging.
Prosper would be good in this deck
Dodge this!
Good advice, but the audio is a bit too bassy imo.