Great info - thanks!! Although I am heavily invested in the EcoFlow ecosystem, I must caution people considering the EcoFlow 220W Bifacial (rigid) panel you tested. In my opinion it is VERY fragile and not appropriate for mobile use (camping, Overlanding, etc) - mine cracked when folding it up and placing it back in the storage bag!
Thanks for your hard work. I had an EcoFlow 220 Bifacial folding. Screen cracked within the month and it was very heavy & awkward to move around. Eco was very helpful and accepted the return.
Excellent review and comparison…clear and process equitable and with terrific technical analysis. Far beyond what many of us can do as we do not have the equipment or knowledge. I have 3 of the Bluetti PV 200 panels (bundled price with the AC200P) and I am glad to know their performance is very good, even though prices are higher than several other panels tested.
Great video. Like the frame for the panel. Keeps the testing even. I know the bowing of these panels and the legs placement can make them pretty uneven.
Hah! A classic HP Calculator. That rocks! My current setup was to get a 100w foldable and a 100w panel for < 200$ and I'm getting about 175w with my testing. For me it's more than I need for my power station. Well done review and the test setup is impressive.
So glad I bought the Eco Flow On Amazon prime day, it was a fantastic deal especially with putting out 190 W for a 220 W solar panel. Eco Flow Makes one of the only portable foldable glass panels out there. #HighQualityAllTheWay.
Very informative but the cost data is just for reference as it fluctuates a lot. I am very happy that the Ecoflow bifacial is a good performer and it only costed me $240 in a bundle. Thank you very much for the great test and video.
Awesome, thank you. Just got the Elecaenta 200w on sale. I am just getting into solar, Great video, subscribed. Now for a, generator / powerbank. Liking the Ecoflow Delta 2 MAX
I am no electrician, or solar expert, but the VCU looked to be the only panel where you covered the middle from top to bottom completely. You expressed that if you didn't do this it was generating more power. I would've liked to see if the other ones also cut to zero if you had panels completely cut off from left to right with a middle shade. Nice video though. appreciate the graphs and the many comparisons.
Once you get more experience you'll see that any series connection you have in solar you'll see the same results. It would have also lost full power if I shaded 25% of one of the panels. I should have demonstrated that in the video as well.
The only way to truly compare them is by hooking them all up at the same time. 100% identical conditions. Best value is highest output, always. It’s not about the money but about energy. You just get more.
If they were all wired in series and all the system components and wire could handle the super high voltage, you could use 10awg wire. Amperage/current is what melts wires, and wiring those panels in one long series string would only have around 10 amps going through it and a ton of volts.
@@Jasonoid that is correct and it is the reason for having a 500VDC solar input in residential power stations with battery backup. Not sure if you've seen them.
Too much information for us layman but loving the learning curve 😂 awesome review. Might be purchasing the allpowers it will be our first solar panel purchase
The Baldr 120w panel is rugged and affordable. I've had my panels in the rain multiple times and they still are putting out power like day one when I purchased them. I think you'd like those.
How have the common power stations been holding up with use and storage. I use three GoLabs 300 constantly. Full charge to zero as I rotate them, after almost two years so far so good.
They were all advertised to have ETFE coatings, the only one that was super smooth like PET coating was the Allpowers 200w. It could have been ETFE but it was different than all the other panels in the video.
Sticking with the bigger brand names gives you better customer support and warranty. You'll pay more money for that. It all depends what you're looking for. Sometimes you can buy two cheaper panels for the price of 1 brand name option.
Hello guys. Can I check with you how many stands does your Ugreen 200W solar panel have? I owned 2 units of the Ugreen 200W panels, one of them have 4 stands (one for each panel) but the other one only have 3 stands (missing on one of the panel) Any idea why? Is it a factory defect? or design change as I purchased the 2nd panel approximately 1 year after purchasing the 1st panel.
You can capture a photo with your phone off the monitor and then print the photo. You would get a better quality picture if you use screen capture software off the video playback in your computer.
I like the balance of cost and performance of the Oukitel 200w panel. It also did well in partial shading. If partial shading wasn't an issue I'd probably go with the VCUtech, super low price but lots of wattage!
I thought I had understood voc and amps etc but now I’m confused again. I want to charge a Bluetti b80 which can take 28v 8a max 200w. What spec panel do I need to get the most into it and which would you recommend? (I’ve noticed a new renogy 220w bifacial with 21.9 voc and 13.41 amps, but since I can only take 8a what’s the point? I’d only be inputting about 132w right?). 🙏
I own Bluetti PV200 panels & there's some very important info you need before purchasing. 1) PV200s aren't rated to endure rain. Yes, that's true. Kinda spoils their usefulness. 2) Dust clings to the face of these panels & it has to be scrubbed off. Remember #1 & don't use a hose to spray off the panels. 3) Bird droppings will eat right through the clear plastic skin on the surface of the panels & expose the cells to water intrusion. 4) Bluetti's forum says these panels are not designed to be left out in the elements for long periods, & if you need panels to leave outside, buy standard rigid panels not these. They don't warn you of any of these drawbacks until after you buy them.
This panel can put out close to 100 watts ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxOqI2yqX0XVrhR2BMJciTWrHJpG8FhJyg when positioned in the appropriate southernly direction, tilted to the optimal angle for your latitude/date, and connected to a higher capacity device than a 500. The built in kickstand angle is a fixed at 50 degrees. Up to 20% more power can be output by selecting the actual date and latitude optimal angle.The 500 will only input 3.5A maximum at 18 volts for 63 watts. Some of the excess power from the panel can be fed into a USB battery bank, charged directly from the panel while also charging a 500. This will allow you to harvest as much as 63 + 15 = 78 watts.If this panel is used to charge a larger device, such as the power station, then its full output potential can be realized.
Lol. Salesmen. You can find 5-6 year old 200-250 watt panels today for less than $75 that are still full output. Less if you are buying by the pallet. And even new retail price by the pallet today is less than 55 cents a watt per panel.
Just so you know why no reply and response from Jason. He must have put this on a scheduled release as he's up in the mountains camping with his family and having fun with his equipment!!!! I'm sure he will get back to replying to the comments Sunday night or Monday.
Such an epic video! I really appreciate all the work and technical expertise that both you Jason and Jeff put into this video! Kudos! I love all the graphs!!!!
Great video and very fair test :) P.S. Videos like this give everybody a real time honest test of all the panels. And that is crucial information to the consumer !!!!! P.P.S. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO JASONOID, YOU HELP US ALL LEARN TOGETHER AS A TEAM :) THUMBS UP PEOPLE !!!!! side note: Companies that wired their panels in "reversed polarity" is the most frustrating learning curve for most new users :(
Excellent and timely information. I own 2x Ecoflow 220 bifacial panels and never disappoint. Awesome performance. Their 160w panels are great. Based on your testing, I bought several Elcaenta 120w panels for light camping and love the performance
I have tested a lot of 200 watt folding solar panels solar panels and so far the Lipower and Jackerys worked the best for me. The EBL and Bluetti were pretty descent too. I need to start adding the wattage per sq. in. for better info. The Allpowers was a very nice panel in all aspects too, especially on price (beware Allpowers makes two types of solar panels, the one in this video being the better one).
Yay!!!! Thank you so much for doing this Jason and Jeff! Just getting started on solar and purchased a off brand CROS 200 watt foldable panel for 149.00 and thought I would give it a try. Thanks for being patient with my loads of questions for you. I appreciate you time and effort in doing your testing and sharing specific results. With Amazon Prime day just passed, it would be interesting to hear people’s comments on what they bought in a 200 watt and their likes and dislikes. Thanks Jason and Jeff!
I own the Allpowers 200W and it started degrading quickly after few uses. Never been dropped, never see rain.... I can barely get 99 watts at full sun, dropping at 30W when a cloud shows up. Amazon reviews are saying that I am not the only one experiencing that. NOT RECOMMENDED
Flawed tests. What you're referring to as "panels" are actually groups of panels wired in parallel. Each individual panel is a group of cells wired in series (or sometimes series-parallel depending on the number of cells). The partial shading test wasn't testing much. You've got four panels wired in parallel. You partially shaded two of four and got half power. That's the EXPECTED result. It's not "good." It means the two partially shaded panels contributed nothing to the output. For a true partial shading test, you want to partially shade an INDIVIDUAL panel and just measure the results of that panel given various percentages of shading. Also, there's little sense in orienting the panels to the sun. That's not a real-world condition. Most installations are only perfectly aligned for a short period of the day. One of the things that makes some panels better than others is how well they work in indirect light, when the sun is not at the perfect angle. That's what you want to test if you really want to compare which panel is best. The best test would be to hook the panels up to watt meters for an entire day (or longer) and see which ones have the most cumulative output over an extended period of time.
Jason is there a 200 watt panel in any combination that will max out delta 2, 500 watt, 60 volts, 15 amp parameters without going over in volts or amps?
The 180w Newpowa panels will get the full 500 watts without going over 60v. I'm pretty sure I linked them below in the video description. They have a VOC under 20v so they can be wired in a 3S config.
As always great video. I bought the 220 bifacial ecoflow panels during prime time. I bought two of them and I tried to use your code but was not allowed. Anywho I can't wait to receive them and connect both of them in parallel. You have been and continue to be a great mentor. Thank you!
PECRON 200 WATT?? Been waiting on this video to make my decision on what 200 watt panel to get for the Pecron E600LFP I just purchased. Ive been debating on the Pecron for $299 and the ALL POWERS that $231 right now. Any chance the Pecron will be tested anytime soon?
Looks like the Oukitel panel might be the best match for Bluetti AC180 solar generators since AC180s have a 10amp solar input cap. A couple of the other panels out there that pull in more watts might be hampered by the AC180's MPPT controller since they exceeded 10amps to get their higher watt outputs, and costs $50 less than the Bluetti 200watt panels but only tested 4 amps lower which might just be instance variance. (This includes considering panels in other reviews than this one as well.) But the Bluetti 200watt seems like it gets you the most if cost is not a major factor, but at more than 10% savings per panel over the Bluetti, the Oukitel 200watt sounds pretty decent to me.
If you're willing to go with a refurb, NewEgg has Refurb Bluetti PV350 panels for $428, and the PV350 panels stay under the 10amp limitation of the AC180, netting you ~200-330watts for less than the $449 discounted price of the Bluetti PV200 panels. (Though the NewEgg refurb 200watt Bluetti panel is going for only $299 if you are satisfied with getting ~169watts) 🤓
Too bad the allpower200w Sp035 solar panel isn't compatible with a bluetti EB3A wish I want to know set compatible with most solar generators. Now I have to send it back. I wanted a 200-watt solar panel for my RV, that also works with the EB3A,bluetti 200w solar panel works, can't get a straight answer on anything ,you have to be an electrician to figure this crap out, it works on most solar generators just not the one you have, be nice if you someone would tell us which solar panels don't work on your small solar generators.
Nice testing. Something that might be nice to add, even though it's likely subjective, is durability (perhaps suggested by the materials used). That may be where a good portion of the money is going, not into raw output. One could argue that a panel that still works perfectly after a year of monthly camping trips is worth a lot more than a panel that has suffered a 30% power drop after only a few weekends in the sun. Trying to add that into the mix, and based on past good results, I'd probably personally go with Elecaenta, and give Ecoflow serious consideration despite the price. On another note, that battery looked huge. My big Prime Days pick-up was a small form-factor 200AH LiFePO4 battery (yes, the Delta 2 Max was tempting).
It's hard to keep the video balanced between providing too much information and too little info. Thanks for the feedback, I'll keep that in mind for the next video I do this type of thing.
This is a very good point. In my reviews I try to add the durability in, but until you use the panel for a while, it is just too subjective to be accurate. But I always keep my reviews up to date if anything happens in the future (but many of the panels never get used again so this is not the best method).
Great video. I understand this video focuses on overall power wattage, but would’ve been nice to have the IP (waterproofing) rating listed as well. The Eco Flow is IP68, meaning it’s a fully waterproof rated panel. However, I do own this panel and agree it’s a pain to set up, the long cables hanging off are awkward and don’t see it as a good use case for mobile travel. I’m surprised the Jackery Solar Saga 200 wasn’t included in this review. This panel is also IP68 and considered the direct competitor to the EcoFlow panel in this video. I’m interested in buying the Jackery Solar Saga 200, but am confused on what type of adapter I need to connect a traditional MC4 cable to it. Any insight would be appreciated. Overall, good review.
Jackery power stations use an 8020mm barrel plug for solar. They also don't make any adapters to MC4 so you'll have to purchase something online to make it work.
@@Jasonoid I found some adapters on Amazon that appear to have good reviews. Are you concerned that there may be some form of efficiency loss when using an adapter? Is that why Jackery wasn’t included on this analysis?
@@kyle6703 that's not a concern. I'm just worried their panels might not perform well. They weren't interested in having their solar panels compared to other brands and they are expensive. Im not sure how well they perform in real world testing, no one ever shows actual wattage numbers when testing their panels 😅
This is very well made critical and down to earth test and detailed analysis. I have been looking forward to something of this nature to be able to make better choice of solar panel. Thank you very much Jason and Jeff.
Try a 220 watt Off Grid TREK solar BLANKET. Expensive but folds to the size of a laptop and 4 inches thick Made with SUN POWER flexible thin film panels on a VERY durable 3" X 6" vinyl backing. I use mine cable locked to my SUV roof and charging my BLUETTI AC200 MAX LFP power center battery. This system runs my ICECO freezer/cooler all day and charges my bike in the evening day after day.
I really think, depsite my reservations, the ecoflow panels are the best long term panel. Its durable, water proof, minimalistic, less parts to worry about, etc. While these other panels are doing well in shade, the EF still does better overall in cloudy weather, and that's another condition that needs its own testing. Eventually, partial shading tests will be a comparison of % drop, not whether the panels are dead panels. If panels start getting bifacial technology as a standard, then ecoflow might have some competition. But I think we're a few years from that.
I'm relatively new to portable solar. How much consideration needs to be put into what you're connecting the panel to? I have an Jackery Explorer 300 for camping, but had my eye on an Anker Solix as a bigger option. Are most DC inputs the same, will I need to buy adaptors, or do most panels come with the necessary connectors to work with most things? Appreciated this vid. Gave me a lot to consider.
This was one of the most comprehensive tests I've seen, thank you! I did have a question about construction and durability. With these portable units I really don't want to have one that is fragile or low quality. Additionally, the ease of angle adjustment with the built in panel supports. I realize these are more subjective but it would be valuable to know. Thanks!
Pannel durability is very important. Its worth the extra weight and cost if the pannel lasts longer, Especially when opening and closing. Enviromental rating, Warranty and customer support very important, While I enjoyed this video and am thankful, we dont have a good picture yet.
excellent test a lot of amateur radio operators on youtube push the Power Film Solar Panels, but they are expensive. would like to know how they stack up against these. I wouldn't think they are that much worth the extra cost. the Baldr would be my choice with its price and performance value.
Great efforts very good and informative video. Not the normal payed commercial video from most of other channels. Well done please continue like this 🙏
I have a Bluetti and two Allpowers POLYcrystalline, excellent price (often $200-250 with the frequent deals), and I have seen 190 watts in on all of them on good days here in Florida. Bluetti may last longer, but I needed several 200W panels for my units and the lower price for Allpowers polycrystalline really helped!! Watch for their flash sales and lighning deals, I just kept watching and got what I needed.
a commercial solar panel test would be good, too. I wouldn’t use any of these flimsey panels for an off grid setup. For a robust offgrid setup, solar panels should have a frame that you can attach to your roof, or solar stand. Take into consideration wind, hail, and temperature efficiencies as well. A hot solar panel will not perform as well. These folding panels are more for an RV, portability, and I certainly wouldn’t use any of these for a permanent setup. cheers from 🇨🇦
Great video! just found your channel & subscribed. Also, I don't know if the youtube algo optimizes for content that's near you first but it sure seems like as I've been starting to watch solar related content, there are a ton of guys putting out content here in utah. Looks like I'm your neighbor, just farther up 13th.
What other channel have you seen locally? Just curious since I've probably seen some of their videos as well. Solar panels, batteries, and 12v fridges is kinda how my channel really kicked off a few years ago. It's such a fun topic to explore!
@@Jasonoid ya, I started digging into some of your older content too now. super good stuff! I'm going to start on an addition to my existing solar system and add a mini-split heat pump but rather than trying to grid-tie the add-on, I'm going to take the chance to do some DIY and add some battery backup. so your content is right up my ally some of the other local ones I've found are @watts247 (I think I'm going to order some stuff from his store tomorrow), @LRN2DIY @LDSreliance @ElectricTechAdventures and @JerryRigEverything It's funny, because when I watch any of those I'm pretty much like: "yep, that's me". Utah semi-nerdy dad that likes DIY projects and tech
I just bought a all powers. s 700 station for elictric power outages but I bought the wrong panels 200 watt perhaps I choud shade one panel and drop the watts so I choud plug into my S700 with out damaging it I just not wanting to purchase another. if you choud give me some feedback thanks
Has anyone tested the Anker 200w as I have an issue with this when even slightly shaded it gets extremely low power output and I'm guessing it is internally wired in series?
I haven't tested the Anker 200w panel, but I did test their 400w version in this video for partial shading: ua-cam.com/video/Y2uhKnHIUl4/v-deo.html Maybe it's a similar design? Let me know if it looks the same but bigger.
For RVs, where storage space is at a premium, it would be nice to know the folded dimensions in addition to the weight. Thanks for the detailed comparison!
The last time I did this type of solar comparison video and listed my favorites, the comments just said why I was wrong LOL... So in this video we just gave the performance numbers and prices so viewers could determine what works best for them.
All the info one needs right here on your channel. Bravo to you and Jeff.
Great info - thanks!!
Although I am heavily invested in the EcoFlow ecosystem, I must caution people considering the EcoFlow 220W Bifacial (rigid) panel you tested. In my opinion it is VERY fragile and not appropriate for mobile use (camping, Overlanding, etc) - mine cracked when folding it up and placing it back in the storage bag!
Thank you for the feedback! Valuable information!
I was wondering about that. I think I would only buy bifacial panels if they are rigid.
Thanks for your hard work. I had an EcoFlow 220 Bifacial folding. Screen cracked within the month and it was very heavy & awkward to move around. Eco was very helpful and accepted the return.
Outstanding video in terms of effort, comparison, and valuable information.
Great team effort.
Glad you liked it!
Excellent review and comparison…clear and process equitable and with terrific technical analysis. Far beyond what many of us can do as we do not have the equipment or knowledge.
I have 3 of the Bluetti PV 200 panels (bundled price with the AC200P) and I am glad to know their performance is very good, even though prices are higher than several other panels tested.
been waiting for this video all week
Great video. Like the frame for the panel. Keeps the testing even. I know the bowing of these panels and the legs placement can make them pretty uneven.
Hah! A classic HP Calculator. That rocks! My current setup was to get a 100w foldable and a 100w panel for < 200$ and I'm getting about 175w with my testing. For me it's more than I need for my power station. Well done review and the test setup is impressive.
Reverse Polish Notation HP. It's not quite the slide rule my dad grew up with, but I would love to see a kid try to use it.
Great info! Very fair test to them all. Was a couple of surprises there, specially $ per Watt
So glad I bought the Eco Flow On Amazon prime day, it was a fantastic deal especially with putting out 190 W for a 220 W solar panel. Eco Flow Makes one of the only portable foldable glass panels out there. #HighQualityAllTheWay.
Very informative but the cost data is just for reference as it fluctuates a lot. I am very happy that the Ecoflow bifacial is a good performer and it only costed me $240 in a bundle. Thank you very much for the great test and video.
Awesome, thank you. Just got the Elecaenta 200w on sale. I am just getting into solar, Great video, subscribed. Now for a, generator / powerbank. Liking the Ecoflow Delta 2 MAX
Make sure you check out my power ststion grading sheet to give you some direction on great choices!
suggestion when doing the portable ones could you tell which are waterproof and which are not
I am no electrician, or solar expert, but the VCU looked to be the only panel where you covered the middle from top to bottom completely. You expressed that if you didn't do this it was generating more power. I would've liked to see if the other ones also cut to zero if you had panels completely cut off from left to right with a middle shade. Nice video though. appreciate the graphs and the many comparisons.
Once you get more experience you'll see that any series connection you have in solar you'll see the same results. It would have also lost full power if I shaded 25% of one of the panels. I should have demonstrated that in the video as well.
The only way to truly compare them is by hooking them all up at the same time. 100% identical conditions.
Best value is highest output, always. It’s not about the money but about energy. You just get more.
They were all hooked up within a reasonable testing window.
I use thirty-two Renogy 320W rigid panels - the combined 10,000 watt, power output will easily cook true 10AWG copper cables.
If they were all wired in series and all the system components and wire could handle the super high voltage, you could use 10awg wire. Amperage/current is what melts wires, and wiring those panels in one long series string would only have around 10 amps going through it and a ton of volts.
@@Jasonoid that is correct and it is the reason for having a 500VDC solar input in residential power stations with battery backup. Not sure if you've seen them.
Just watched the 400W comparison and had hoped this had the Anker 200W panels, but alas, it does not :(
no anker test? good job still. and I love the HP calculator. I have one of those too!
Too much information for us layman but loving the learning curve 😂 awesome review. Might be purchasing the allpowers it will be our first solar panel purchase
Whaoou !! quelle qualité de travail Merci
Love the HP!!! 🎉
Whats the best bang for buck **rugged** **rainproof** kit minus the power station i can pickup that is fairly portable?
The Baldr 120w panel is rugged and affordable. I've had my panels in the rain multiple times and they still are putting out power like day one when I purchased them. I think you'd like those.
How have the common power stations been holding up with use and storage. I use three GoLabs 300 constantly. Full charge to zero as I rotate them, after almost two years so far so good.
Thanks!!nice video
Glad you liked it!
Good information Jason and Jeff( Geoff ). I bought a 120 watt Elecaenta panel. From everyones review including yours, it looks good.
The Elecaenta 120w is a great panel with a great price!
Another great video, Do all of these panels feature ETFE coating?
I think they are. I believe there might have been one that was suspect. Jason will probably chime in on that.
They were all advertised to have ETFE coatings, the only one that was super smooth like PET coating was the Allpowers 200w. It could have been ETFE but it was different than all the other panels in the video.
Jason,
So, quality, customer service, performance, ect, what would you buy if you were purchasing yourself for long term use?
Sticking with the bigger brand names gives you better customer support and warranty. You'll pay more money for that. It all depends what you're looking for. Sometimes you can buy two cheaper panels for the price of 1 brand name option.
Hello guys. Can I check with you how many stands does your Ugreen 200W solar panel have? I owned 2 units of the Ugreen 200W panels, one of them have 4 stands (one for each panel) but the other one only have 3 stands (missing on one of the panel) Any idea why? Is it a factory defect? or design change as I purchased the 2nd panel approximately 1 year after purchasing the 1st panel.
I'm sure it's a design change to save on costs. My panel had 4 kickstands.
Wish you would of showed which ones used MC4 adaptors.
Every panel came with MC4 adapters.
I would like to print a copy of the graphs shown at the end of your presentation, but I can not find them.
They are only in the video, I don't have them available for download.
You can capture a photo with your phone off the monitor and then print the photo. You would get a better quality picture if you use screen capture software off the video playback in your computer.
Which one would you buy?
I like the balance of cost and performance of the Oukitel 200w panel. It also did well in partial shading. If partial shading wasn't an issue I'd probably go with the VCUtech, super low price but lots of wattage!
I thought I had understood voc and amps etc but now I’m confused again. I want to charge a Bluetti b80 which can take 28v 8a max 200w. What spec panel do I need to get the most into it and which would you recommend? (I’ve noticed a new renogy 220w bifacial with 21.9 voc and 13.41 amps, but since I can only take 8a what’s the point? I’d only be inputting about 132w right?). 🙏
You'd want to chose a panel with a higher voltage vs higher amperage. That would give you the best bang for your buck.
I own Bluetti PV200 panels & there's some very important info you need before purchasing. 1) PV200s aren't rated to endure rain. Yes, that's true. Kinda spoils their usefulness. 2) Dust clings to the face of these panels & it has to be scrubbed off. Remember #1 & don't use a hose to spray off the panels. 3) Bird droppings will eat right through the clear plastic skin on the surface of the panels & expose the cells to water intrusion. 4) Bluetti's forum says these panels are not designed to be left out in the elements for long periods, & if you need panels to leave outside, buy standard rigid panels not these.
They don't warn you of any of these drawbacks until after you buy them.
That's why I coat my panels with ceramic. Hydrophobic to elements dust and bird droppings. 100 percent protected against dust. Prob solved.
@george230 how long have yours endured with the coating and what brand did you buy?
Thats good to know. Bought mine for 125€ on sale and all the other ones where close to 400 where I live.
This panel can put out close to 100 watts ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxOqI2yqX0XVrhR2BMJciTWrHJpG8FhJyg when positioned in the appropriate southernly direction, tilted to the optimal angle for your latitude/date, and connected to a higher capacity device than a 500. The built in kickstand angle is a fixed at 50 degrees. Up to 20% more power can be output by selecting the actual date and latitude optimal angle.The 500 will only input 3.5A maximum at 18 volts for 63 watts. Some of the excess power from the panel can be fed into a USB battery bank, charged directly from the panel while also charging a 500. This will allow you to harvest as much as 63 + 15 = 78 watts.If this panel is used to charge a larger device, such as the power station, then its full output potential can be realized.
Holy Sh!#!! That musta been tedious awful kinda work to set up to test and to film. 🤪
Thank you for all your work and producing this. 🙏
So much beneficial information! And all in one video! Thank you for all the work you guys put into this. Appreciate you both, Jason and Jeff!!
Lol. Salesmen. You can find 5-6 year old 200-250 watt panels today for less than $75 that are still full output. Less if you are buying by the pallet. And even new retail price by the pallet today is less than 55 cents a watt per panel.
Just so you know why no reply and response from Jason. He must have put this on a scheduled release as he's up in the mountains camping with his family and having fun with his equipment!!!! I'm sure he will get back to replying to the comments Sunday night or Monday.
Such an epic video! I really appreciate all the work and technical expertise that both you Jason and Jeff put into this video! Kudos! I love all the graphs!!!!
Thanks, Katy!
Great video and very fair test :)
P.S. Videos like this give everybody a real time honest test of all the panels. And that is crucial information to the consumer !!!!!
P.P.S. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO JASONOID, YOU HELP US ALL LEARN TOGETHER AS A TEAM :)
THUMBS UP PEOPLE !!!!!
side note: Companies that wired their panels in "reversed polarity" is the most frustrating learning curve for most new users :(
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Bob!
Excellent and timely information.
I own 2x Ecoflow 220 bifacial panels and never disappoint. Awesome performance. Their 160w panels are great. Based on your testing, I bought several Elcaenta 120w panels for light camping and love the performance
Excellent presentation. Thank you. Really stepping up your review game recently.
I have tested a lot of 200 watt folding solar panels solar panels and so far the Lipower and Jackerys worked the best for me. The EBL and Bluetti were pretty descent too. I need to start adding the wattage per sq. in. for better info. The Allpowers was a very nice panel in all aspects too, especially on price (beware Allpowers makes two types of solar panels, the one in this video being the better one).
Great test Jason!! Lots of good info. The ECOFLOW panels do perform well but a premium price.
The ECOFLOW 220 sz are Heavy, capitol H.
seems like allpower are the most balance one here
Informative with no wasted time. Great job.
Gotta get to the good stuff fast and not waste time, one of my main goals with my videos!
Excellent, very much appreciated
Yay!!!! Thank you so much for doing this Jason and Jeff! Just getting started on solar and purchased a off brand CROS 200 watt foldable panel for 149.00 and thought I would give it a try. Thanks for being patient with my loads of questions for you. I appreciate you time and effort in doing your testing and sharing specific results. With Amazon Prime day just passed, it would be interesting to hear people’s comments on what they bought in a 200 watt and their likes and dislikes. Thanks Jason and Jeff!
Cracking video mate. Loved your thorough explanation. Can you please do a video on selecting/ calculating an inverter.? Much appreciated. Cheers
I own the Allpowers 200W and it started degrading quickly after few uses. Never been dropped, never see rain.... I can barely get 99 watts at full sun, dropping at 30W when a cloud shows up. Amazon reviews are saying that I am not the only one experiencing that. NOT RECOMMENDED
Have a great camping trip with family. Looking forward to more videos and, as always, more Jeff. Thanks Jason.
Thank You everybody for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth...
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Fantastic comparison, thanks for this. I have the EcoFlow which I got as part of a sales bundle.
really wish you had a BougeRV CIGS panel here.
I haven't tested those panels, I've heard good things about them!
Flawed tests.
What you're referring to as "panels" are actually groups of panels wired in parallel. Each individual panel is a group of cells wired in series (or sometimes series-parallel depending on the number of cells).
The partial shading test wasn't testing much. You've got four panels wired in parallel. You partially shaded two of four and got half power. That's the EXPECTED result. It's not "good." It means the two partially shaded panels contributed nothing to the output.
For a true partial shading test, you want to partially shade an INDIVIDUAL panel and just measure the results of that panel given various percentages of shading.
Also, there's little sense in orienting the panels to the sun. That's not a real-world condition. Most installations are only perfectly aligned for a short period of the day. One of the things that makes some panels better than others is how well they work in indirect light, when the sun is not at the perfect angle. That's what you want to test if you really want to compare which panel is best.
The best test would be to hook the panels up to watt meters for an entire day (or longer) and see which ones have the most cumulative output over an extended period of time.
Make your own video then...
Jason is there a 200 watt panel in any combination that will max out delta 2, 500 watt, 60 volts, 15 amp parameters without going over in volts or amps?
I got 3x 24v 200watt and ran 3P setup from Amazon, about $60works great at 600watts to over panel my D2
The 180w Newpowa panels will get the full 500 watts without going over 60v. I'm pretty sure I linked them below in the video description. They have a VOC under 20v so they can be wired in a 3S config.
@@Jasonoidno newpowa 180 watt linked, I wanna use your affiliate link
Great content thank you. Only thing “missing” was a folded dimension comparison.
As always great video. I bought the 220 bifacial ecoflow panels during prime time. I bought two of them and I tried to use your code but was not allowed. Anywho I can't wait to receive them and connect both of them in parallel. You have been and continue to be a great mentor. Thank you!
How much were the durring prime days?
Exactly the type of analysis we all need to make informed buying decisions. Thanks Very Much for your work.
Glad it was helpful!
Was looking for a video doing this! Thanks
PECRON 200 WATT??
Been waiting on this video to make my decision on what 200 watt panel to get for the Pecron E600LFP I just purchased.
Ive been debating on the Pecron for $299 and the ALL POWERS that $231 right now.
Any chance the Pecron will be tested anytime soon?
I don't have plans currently to review that model but I wouldn't rule it out in the future.
@@Jasonoid Do you have any insight on that panel? How would you compare that to the All Powers panel?
Looks like the Oukitel panel might be the best match for Bluetti AC180 solar generators since AC180s have a 10amp solar input cap. A couple of the other panels out there that pull in more watts might be hampered by the AC180's MPPT controller since they exceeded 10amps to get their higher watt outputs, and costs $50 less than the Bluetti 200watt panels but only tested 4 amps lower which might just be instance variance. (This includes considering panels in other reviews than this one as well.) But the Bluetti 200watt seems like it gets you the most if cost is not a major factor, but at more than 10% savings per panel over the Bluetti, the Oukitel 200watt sounds pretty decent to me.
If you're willing to go with a refurb, NewEgg has Refurb Bluetti PV350 panels for $428, and the PV350 panels stay under the 10amp limitation of the AC180, netting you ~200-330watts for less than the $449 discounted price of the Bluetti PV200 panels. (Though the NewEgg refurb 200watt Bluetti panel is going for only $299 if you are satisfied with getting ~169watts) 🤓
Would a single Baldr 120W work with a Bluetti EB3A? It has an MC4 to DC7909 connector cable. Thank you
Yeah, thats a great option for the EB3A
Allpowers 200w best balance for the buck and is one of the lightest.
Too bad the allpower200w Sp035 solar panel isn't compatible with a bluetti EB3A wish I want to know set compatible with most solar generators. Now I have to send it back. I wanted a 200-watt solar panel for my RV, that also works with the EB3A,bluetti 200w solar panel works, can't get a straight answer on anything ,you have to be an electrician to figure this crap out, it works on most solar generators just not the one you have, be nice if you someone would tell us which solar panels don't work on your small solar generators.
Nice testing. Something that might be nice to add, even though it's likely subjective, is durability (perhaps suggested by the materials used). That may be where a good portion of the money is going, not into raw output. One could argue that a panel that still works perfectly after a year of monthly camping trips is worth a lot more than a panel that has suffered a 30% power drop after only a few weekends in the sun.
Trying to add that into the mix, and based on past good results, I'd probably personally go with Elecaenta, and give Ecoflow serious consideration despite the price.
On another note, that battery looked huge. My big Prime Days pick-up was a small form-factor 200AH LiFePO4 battery (yes, the Delta 2 Max was tempting).
It's hard to keep the video balanced between providing too much information and too little info. Thanks for the feedback, I'll keep that in mind for the next video I do this type of thing.
This is a very good point. In my reviews I try to add the durability in, but until you use the panel for a while, it is just too subjective to be accurate. But I always keep my reviews up to date if anything happens in the future (but many of the panels never get used again so this is not the best method).
Great video. I understand this video focuses on overall power wattage, but would’ve been nice to have the IP (waterproofing) rating listed as well. The Eco Flow is IP68, meaning it’s a fully waterproof rated panel. However, I do own this panel and agree it’s a pain to set up, the long cables hanging off are awkward and don’t see it as a good use case for mobile travel. I’m surprised the Jackery Solar Saga 200 wasn’t included in this review. This panel is also IP68 and considered the direct competitor to the EcoFlow panel in this video. I’m interested in buying the Jackery Solar Saga 200, but am confused on what type of adapter I need to connect a traditional MC4 cable to it. Any insight would be appreciated. Overall, good review.
Jackery power stations use an 8020mm barrel plug for solar. They also don't make any adapters to MC4 so you'll have to purchase something online to make it work.
@@Jasonoid I found some adapters on Amazon that appear to have good reviews. Are you concerned that there may be some form of efficiency loss when using an adapter? Is that why Jackery wasn’t included on this analysis?
@@kyle6703 that's not a concern. I'm just worried their panels might not perform well. They weren't interested in having their solar panels compared to other brands and they are expensive. Im not sure how well they perform in real world testing, no one ever shows actual wattage numbers when testing their panels 😅
@@Jasonoid Fair point. Appreciate the feedback and review!
subscribed and thumbs up just for the amount of effort that went into this video. Thanks!
Much appreciated!
Have you tried any of the new CIGS panels? I see Bouge and Renogy are now offering these panels.
One stop shop...great
This is very well made critical and down to earth test and detailed analysis. I have been looking forward to something of this nature to be able to make better choice of solar panel. Thank you very much Jason and Jeff.
Glad it was helpful!
Try a 220 watt Off Grid TREK solar BLANKET. Expensive but folds to the size of a laptop and 4 inches thick Made with SUN POWER flexible thin film panels on a VERY durable 3" X 6" vinyl backing. I use mine cable locked to my SUV roof and charging my BLUETTI AC200 MAX LFP power center battery. This system runs my ICECO freezer/cooler all day and charges my bike in the evening day after day.
Hi so much good information, all I can say is thank you to both of you for the time and work you put into making this video. 👍🐝🌞
I really think, depsite my reservations, the ecoflow panels are the best long term panel. Its durable, water proof, minimalistic, less parts to worry about, etc. While these other panels are doing well in shade, the EF still does better overall in cloudy weather, and that's another condition that needs its own testing. Eventually, partial shading tests will be a comparison of % drop, not whether the panels are dead panels. If panels start getting bifacial technology as a standard, then ecoflow might have some competition. But I think we're a few years from that.
I'm relatively new to portable solar. How much consideration needs to be put into what you're connecting the panel to? I have an Jackery Explorer 300 for camping, but had my eye on an Anker Solix as a bigger option. Are most DC inputs the same, will I need to buy adaptors, or do most panels come with the necessary connectors to work with most things?
Appreciated this vid. Gave me a lot to consider.
This was one of the most comprehensive tests I've seen, thank you! I did have a question about construction and durability. With these portable units I really don't want to have one that is fragile or low quality. Additionally, the ease of angle adjustment with the built in panel supports. I realize these are more subjective but it would be valuable to know. Thanks!
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Love this video!!!
Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Jeff is back!!! Great comparison video as always Jason! Great to see an update on the currently available panels, thank you
Thanks for watching!
Pannel durability is very important. Its worth the extra weight and cost if the pannel lasts longer, Especially when opening and closing. Enviromental rating, Warranty and customer support very important, While I enjoyed this video and am thankful, we dont have a good picture yet.
What about ANKER?
I didn't have that panel during the testing, I'm sorry.
excellent test
a lot of amateur radio operators on youtube push the Power Film Solar Panels, but they are expensive. would like to know how they stack up against these. I wouldn't think they are that much worth the extra cost. the Baldr would be my choice with its price and performance value.
I haven't heard of those panels before! I'll have to check them out.
Superior content, once again.
Great efforts very good and informative video. Not the normal payed commercial video from most of other channels. Well done please continue like this 🙏
Very cool and MUCH appreciated! Thank you for your hard work and Info! 👍👍
I have a Bluetti and two Allpowers POLYcrystalline, excellent price (often $200-250 with the frequent deals), and I have seen 190 watts in on all of them on good days here in Florida. Bluetti may last longer, but I needed several 200W panels for my units and the lower price for Allpowers polycrystalline really helped!! Watch for their flash sales and lighning deals, I just kept watching and got what I needed.
Also, I often have both brands out at the same time, and both put in almost exactly the same power, which I was happy to see.
A lot of work in this video, but how did you skip the Jackery SolarSaga panels???
Jackery has overpriced panels, not even worth the cost, in my opinion.
In the market for some solar panels for camping, this really helped and had a ton of information, thank you.
a commercial solar panel test would be good, too. I wouldn’t use any of these flimsey panels for an off grid setup. For a robust offgrid setup, solar panels should have a frame that you can attach to your roof, or solar stand. Take into consideration wind, hail, and temperature efficiencies as well. A hot solar panel will not perform as well. These folding panels are more for an RV, portability, and I certainly wouldn’t use any of these for a permanent setup. cheers from 🇨🇦
These are for temp / portable use, i always recommend glass rigid panels for permanent installation.
@@Jasonoid yup
That third chart would look WAY better if you used two different y-axes, which Excel and Google Sheets can both do easily.
Graphs are not my strength.
Great video! just found your channel & subscribed. Also, I don't know if the youtube algo optimizes for content that's near you first but it sure seems like as I've been starting to watch solar related content, there are a ton of guys putting out content here in utah. Looks like I'm your neighbor, just farther up 13th.
What other channel have you seen locally? Just curious since I've probably seen some of their videos as well. Solar panels, batteries, and 12v fridges is kinda how my channel really kicked off a few years ago. It's such a fun topic to explore!
@@Jasonoid ya, I started digging into some of your older content too now. super good stuff! I'm going to start on an addition to my existing solar system and add a mini-split heat pump but rather than trying to grid-tie the add-on, I'm going to take the chance to do some DIY and add some battery backup. so your content is right up my ally
some of the other local ones I've found are @watts247 (I think I'm going to order some stuff from his store tomorrow), @LRN2DIY @LDSreliance @ElectricTechAdventures and
@JerryRigEverything
It's funny, because when I watch any of those I'm pretty much like: "yep, that's me". Utah semi-nerdy dad that likes DIY projects and tech
umm where is the BougeRV Yuma 200W ??? that literally blows every other panel here away.
The Yuma is excellent in shading performance.
I just bought a all powers. s 700 station for elictric power outages but I bought the wrong panels 200 watt perhaps I choud shade one panel and drop the watts so I choud plug into my S700 with out damaging it I just not wanting to purchase another. if you choud give me some feedback thanks
What panel did you buy and what are the specs?
A little late to the party, but excellent work! Thanks!
i am surprised you did not test Jackery panels since it is one of the most popular platforms on the market.
Maybe one day I'll purchase them. They are bit overpriced vs some of these.
Has anyone tested the Anker 200w as I have an issue with this when even slightly shaded it gets extremely low power output and I'm guessing it is internally wired in series?
I haven't tested the Anker 200w panel, but I did test their 400w version in this video for partial shading:
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Maybe it's a similar design? Let me know if it looks the same but bigger.
Awesome stuff, thank you for that informative video !
Glad you enjoyed it!
For RVs, where storage space is at a premium, it would be nice to know the folded dimensions in addition to the weight. Thanks for the detailed comparison!
Great suggestion!
Too bad the Jackery Solarsaga 200w is not here
Overpriced panel for the output.
Use 3 zendure 210 Watt panels
Wow. Ding Ding Ding Battle Royale. Digin the Allpowers
The Allpowers offers a great price and performance!
To late ⏰ I have already purchased it and I am not going to cry about amps. Just suck it up and move on 😢
I'd be happy with any of these panels in real world use! They all produced decent power!
So after all that, give us your top 3.
The last time I did this type of solar comparison video and listed my favorites, the comments just said why I was wrong LOL... So in this video we just gave the performance numbers and prices so viewers could determine what works best for them.