Great comparison. I have a Pard 008 LRF. Superb bit of kit. Put a Viltrox DC50 screen on it via a HDMI cable and mount it on the side rail and night shooting is as clear as day shooting without looking through the unit. Excellent.
Good job. Having ATN will agree with everything except customer service. Had 2 problems so far and both were solved easy and fast. Was very happy with that
Having owned the ATN, Photon XT, and now a Pard 008, the PARD simply pisses all over both of them. Great and honest review, well done. And you are right, ATN after sales service is terrible. My ATN was nothing but trouble, sold it, bought a PARD, never been happier.
Thank you for the very helpful video, I was about to buy the ATN but when I saw the size difference of the two units I went for the Pard NV008SLRF instead, a few less silly features and like you I preferred an exchangeable very common battery. The zoom looks much easier and quicker to use.
I had the ATN, I had a bunch of issues with it. When I got in touch with other users on facebook I learned there were ALOT of problems with ATN products, especially the 4k. I sent mine back and bought a pard 007. Now If the ATN was reliable and worked properly I would have loved it. Especially the ballistic computer and ABL functions. I bought dual adapters so I can move this between my .30-06 Weatherby and my FX Dreamline and between as a standalone nightvision monocular.
I use Sight Mark and they have stellar customer service. My scope went kaput and so I called them up and they gave me shipping label etc. They returned it a week and a half later with a new one and a newer generation than I had submitted! Great video.
I know this is late but...the pricing you mention is certainly different in the States. The Pard 008 LRF is $1000 and the ATN 4K is $700. I would also disagree that ATN's customer service is rubbish. I have contacted them several times for help on loading firmware (my fault) to wanting to buy the new cantilever mount that comes with the LTV. They sent me the mount for free plus a tee shirt. I've had 3 ATN's and maybe I'm just used to their menu system and features but I like it a lot. I also very much like the ballistic calculator which is a must for any distance shooting. Maybe the Pard is fine for limited range of an airgun but not for anything that shoots farther than 150 yards (meters). If the Pard WAS in the $700 range I might consider it for .22LR but then again ATN has introduced the LTV 3-9 @ $599 or 5-15 @ $675.
MAN! You saved me a TON of money! The ATN has givein me an uneasy feeling since I first discovered it.. Never had heard of the PARD but am now going to research that (and buy it of course!). Thanks again for the FIRST HONEST REVIEW I've seen.
I looked at the two for my hunting rifle. Once I saw that the Pard stopped at .308, it was a non-issue. The 4k can handle recoil up to a .416 Rigby. My choice was clear for long range hunting. YMMV
4k pro battery last for ages. And with the smart rectical set up right is absolutely brillient. That little teal dot is spot on and gives you your exact hold over every time. And with the abl it's unbeatable. Atn all day long.
After your review of the Pard I went and purchased one and mounted it on CZ 22Lr. Shooting subsonic ammo with a suppressor. everything you said is true thanks for such a detailed review. We love the Pard because it is so simple and it just works. You are correct the phone app is Pants. The built in laser is fantastic for some of the commercial jobs we do we don't even have to look through the scope just put the laser on point and fire. The most impressive feature is the weight. We love it thanks.
@@PeakyBlinder yeah it's got some nice features and options. I like the fact you can set the crosshair to multiple distance and use the rangefinder, then click on that distance setting and the crosshair is et to where you need it for that distance. Great for nighttime hunting.
@@MrRockstar1968 like the abl, it's range finds and sets the crosshair on 1 push of a button. It also works very well with the right data input and the ballistics calc, I love the way you can many profiles for different guns and ammo as well and your data is saved and exported to micro SD.
Great review and have to say the more i hear about the pard the more appealing it becomes. I have the 4k and only crashes i have ever had has been while linking it to a phone then it falls over like a drunk at closing time. My other major beef with the 4k is the focus ring being phenomenally stiff to the point that i dont bother and leave it on about 35m. On the plus side the linked LRF/ ballistics calculator is a godsend and amazingly accurate taking the estimation out of night shooting down to 7 or 8 m which is the one thing that the Pard really lacks. If Pard added that then it would be a no brainer for a lazy git like me.
Just returned my ATN only had it 5 days but in that time it shut down twice and was temperamental starting up .Some folk have no issues with the ATN but lots seem to do .Nice comparison
Thanks for the review. Most likely saved me a bunch of money. - What night sight do you use on your Leshiy 2? Night vision or thermal scope? Or monocular thermal and then go to the night vision scope?
IVE got the X SIGHT 2 with the ABL,had problems initially with the scope but to be fair to ATN they sorted it and no problems for over year with it now.And today bought the pard lrf and a new HW BP K for it to sit on, yet to use but I'm sure i won't be disappointed.
@@jackrusselloutdoors8307 jack this week I have input all the data into the atn ballistics calc and what ever range I put in the bullet hits the crosshair.. It's awesome. What bad experience have you had with the atn.
Hi Steve I think you have changed my mind, there could be a secondhand atn 4K pro coming onto the market. The PARD seems striking more attractive. Although I’ve had no problems with my atn i prefer the Pard just for its size and weight difference.
Nice honest comparative review @Steve. Hopefully PARD will issue a firmware update (sooner rather than later), including a ballistic calculator and a FFP reticle option. The other thing I'd like to see PARD include is an option to record in 4:3 ratio, as the PARDs display in 4:3 but record in 16:9 ratio, so the picture is stretched during recording, to 1,920x1,080. I pre-process all my recorded footage back to 1,440x1,080 before editing, it's still full HD but now in 4:3 ratio so reticles look correct and wheels are round again. :o) A lot of digital scopes need shimming (nature of the beast), but few are as easily shimmed as the PARD. @Kevgun (on the NV Forum and Airgun forum) will shortly be producing a one-piece replacement mount that includes both vertical and horizontal adjustment, via lockable grub screws = the end of shimming! Keep up the good work, cheers. Russ Ps. FYI I've illustrated the 16:9 / 4:3 ratio differences with comparison clips here: ua-cam.com/video/Bz95rsyEWpA/v-deo.html
@@airgunology I don't know if the internal PARD hardware includes an electronic inclinometer, without that it wouldn't be able to also auto-compensate for steep shots. R
Nice review. Very good info. For my situation, the ATN is more economical. With a quick release mount, the scope can be zeroed for up to six rifles. Add the ballistics calculator and I'm very happy. I do really wish the arm had a user replaceable battery though. Thanks again for the great review.
The only thing that lets the PARD NV008 down is the cheap cast alloy mounts. The price of a good innomount QD set is almost 1/3 the price of a new scope.
Hiya Steve, having had both of these and still got the Pard, my own personal opinion is that the Pard Wins hands down, best thing i did was trade the the atn in, Cheers
Ps. The PARD rightly scores highly here, even higher if you consider its left-hand weaver rail for add-ons like an IR illuminator to extend the NV range beyond 150m, or the DIY HUDs (head-up-displays). Some folk are using those with the video out signal to attach 800x600 LED screens for more relaxed shooting while ratting. Cheers. Russ
Brutally honest...thank you brother. You just saved me a shit-load of money. Plus...let’s face it, I am a caveman stuck in a digital world and that ATN is more of a freaking computer more than it is a scope. ATN is over priced, over loaded, overly complicated, over sized, over weight, over rated, did I mention OVERPRICED! My god I love honesty. I always get that when watching your reviews. I have been waiting forever even though I never bothered to ask anyone for a review and was just bidding my time for a good solid reviewing these two choices. The only thing I did not catch is slow motion or is that something that is done in playback? Thank you for your opinion on these optical choices. KISS keep it simple stupid! Sounds to me like ATN didn’t learn that one and PARD did. Slow motion is the question. Maybe I missed so watching again.
I was out with a pard 007 the other night, took my eye away felt as pissed as a rat and nearly fell into a river in flood, never mind I got the rat!. Love your channel
It happens with digital night sights, blindness for a while. Turning down the brightness on the screen can help a little, but you will always get this.
Never had any problems and is the only use for the micro USB port. Much of this will come from the advice not to charge Lithium batteries inside devices in case of fire. I charge mine using the port with no issues, but always keep in the same room as me when charging in case of issues.
Steve Allan From MMSPORTING.CO.UK “PARD NV008 LRF Digital Day Night Vision Rifle Scope in stock ready to ship PLEASE NOTE: An external battery charger is required for this item. The micro USB port is for transferring data to a computer and NOT for charging. Charging via the USB port may damage the device and any damaged caused will not be covered by the warranty.” I read in the user manual, for my Pard NV008, that it’s for “USB charging”, yet other sites say it causes damage.
@@sudo_nym I have had no issues. If you want to play safe, charge it externally. When connected to a computer via USB, nothing is recognised and no drives are mounted and you cannot read the card in the scope. I would trust the manual more. But it is your choice.
Steve Allan. Sure is, Steve, and I’ll carry on charging in a charger, but it’s curious that there’s so much directly conflicting information out there.
Hi Steve, just watched video regarding thePard 008 LRF,and would like to ask a couple of questions. 1 Do you have to format the SD card, and if so how? 2 How do you link it to a smartphone, is it via an app through WiFi?? Thank you Chris
Put the card in the scope, go to the menu and press format. Connecting to the smart phone is via an app that you download and connect via wireless to display the image / video on the screen of the smart phone.
I have had the ATN X sight 2 for four years, no problems at all! When ever I had a question tech support was right there. The biggest defference between the two is " what are you using it on?" If its a pellet gun I guess the Pard would be fine but if you are using it on a rifle, the balastic calculater is worth its weight in gold! I shoot out to 300 - 600 yards and its dead on! Its like having an awesome spotter with you all the time. I would not give that up if the Pard was $50, and thats about all I would spend for a pellet gun optic. Just my opinion but for a real rifle the ATN is the way to go. I am not putting down air rifles as I own a couple of good ones myself, but really, how good of an optic do you really need for shooting 75 yards or so? I suppose it all depends on where you live too, if you can't have a rifle and are limited to air guns get what works for you. I have profiles for many rifles and pellet guns set on my ATN, works great on both and having night vision for rats on pellet rifle is cool, but I will stick with the ATN. Great vid though!!!
You are one of the lucky ones then. I am not deliberately slating ATN, but very rarely do I hear good stories like this. Hopefully this will all change in the UK now the distribution has changed to Highlands. But all that said, we must remember that this was not designed for Air Rifles and ATN seem really not to care about the air rifle community with regards to their scopes. The ATN's can be great, if you are lucky and get a good one. Still have my 4K
@@airgunology Thanks for the come back Steve! I have heard alot of bad exp's with the newer ATN products but all my hunting buds have the same X Sight ll that I have and we are all very happy with them. I am subed to your channel and really enjoy all your vids keep up the great work, and a hat tip to you from the U.S!
@@phlashtheband4939 No problems buddy. It must be us air gunners in the UK and the bad distributor. Hopefully now with a new distributor, thinks will improve.
I have a 4K PRO for 2 years and I never had any problems. I use it on my Browning Bar Prime .300 WM. Most of the shots I shoot are between 75 and 100 meters to wild boar or deer. I think that if you use PARD instead of ATN at the end of the 2 shot you would be dead. Anyway, I will test the PARD on my Marlin 30-30 as this caliber is already much smoother.
Great video and will be buying a Pard008 LRF very soon. Do you know if there are software updates for the Pard008. Also do you know if a new Gen is coming out?
Hi please can you help me understand how to use a shim on my pard 008 I have an age vixen short and when I mount my pard the crosshairs are way down can you help please Dave
Since the IR light is too far away from the animals, they can not see it. But if you look close & directly onto the lens, you can see a dim red glow on light. FYI: Don't look directly onto the IR lens too long.
Good review,nice to hear you nock something back I think that atn is crap to,pard or nitesite all day,way better quality and value for money.well done pard all day my friend
ATN was the only option for ages and their marketing was diabolical with promises and false HD and 4K advertising. But it worked (ish) and was the king until Pard took over.
Before I found Pard I had 2 ATN's My ATN's were a complete nightmare. I got lucky to sell them off at a minor profit. I finally settled on 2 pards. A nv 008 and The SA 35. Both units have preformed FLAWLESSLY!!! So much so I not only wrote to atn praising Pard..but went to a local gun expo and publicly bashed atn. To say the least representative's from atn are not happy..( they actually filed a lawsuit against me but quickly withdrew due to overwhelming evidence against ATN's problems with its products)
The only sad thing with the Pard is when I read the add it said you had 5 different colours on the scope X hair, but it seems we only have 2 red and yellow. Red is not such a great colour as its most abundent natural colour of the light spectrum, and to some of us, it can kind of look ( due to red) a little Smudged. I am sure it would not be hard for Pard to put out an update to throw say an extra blue and green in the choice, much kinder to the eye. and maybe another couple of cross hair types to choose from, would be good as well. But thats my 2 cents worth!!
Steve I need your help for a moment . I bought the PARD NV 007 because of multi gun esage the issue is It doesnt tell me what type, size, format anything about the SD card. Please help brother. I'm a caveman stuck in a digital world and trying to catch up. Thank you
The SD card needs to be a micro SD card up to 32gb. Buy one from Amazon. Slot it in, use the Pard menu system to format it (see my other videos) and away you go. No need to change anything if you swap rifles.
Steve I’m thinking about getting a pard for using with my BSA r10se. I see the Pard is now coming with a new weaver rail mounting system. Would the pard still require to be shimmed, or would the new mount be ok ?
A question, sir. At different times, it automatically adjusts the point of impact itself? Which model do you recommend for the PCP rifle, 4k or pard008?
It doesn't adjust automatically. You have to press those buttons. Which you can always do & adjust all optically scopes. It's all marketing. 4k is dead weights! ATG, my uncle & I suggest to look for Pard NV007s. Then you can attach it to many scopes & less weights than both. I used 007s onto my Accuracy International Arctic Warfare for long distances.
Got a phone call earlier today from a foreign woman asking me about the crash i had earlier, and i thought F@ck me that ATN scope is good, it even called for help.
simple question , i will be shooting at night , will be getting a range finder , would you recommend the pard over a normal ( lets say vantage hawke £150 ) for normal daytime shooting . IS this a replacement for normal optics even if im just doing targets of plinking in the day ? Im looking for something with a little bit less parallax over the Hawke , do i just go all in for the pard or upgrade the normal optics ?
I’ve talked with ATN about the xsight 4K pro and it had 4K footage but due to a glitch they removed it. They tell me later this year 4K filming will be restored. But I’ll believe it when I see it available on my xsight.
Yes. It’s actually been working flawless since I got the direct firmware install tool. I do not put the update on a SD card rather plug the atn into my laptop and hit update on the tool. My first one did freeze all the time but was quickly replaced with a new unit and has preformed amazingly. The issue I have had is I purchased rechargeable batteries for the Illuminati and the seller (not atn) claimed they were 3v each but were actually 3,7v. So they burnt out my Illuminator. I’m currently trying to get a replacement.
George Devlin I got a good rep maybe? His name is Aaron. He sent this link for Windows. It’s a program that updates the ATN directly. Works for ATN xsight or Thor thermal. ATN is stupid. That they don’t offer this directly. The link has to be sent to you. I thought there is no way it would make a difference but it did. Hopefully it helps you out. atncorp.com/fs/atnfirmwareupdate-win-1.0.2-setup.exe?fbclid=IwAR1Z4H0-LAxFak3HXxHNBhfdlix5llYC_YHYUqirJ5knjjpYNyIqXTw_DFA
@@MACISUS I havent got this far without trying it a few times, sent ti back a few times, every time it has the same or alternative or multiple problems...junk will always be junk.
Ok Steve just wondering if you can help me what it is I've just got a atn 4kpro with abl set it up on my fx maverick 177 when I go into the setting it wont accept 8.44 gr it just comes up at 10gr wont go lower hope you can help its doing my head in why it does this I dont know maybe am doing something wrong
The pard 008 is very good if you have to wear glasses you can keep them on using the pard 008 the Yukon I had before I had to take my glasses off to use the bloody thing
I wish I knew what size, speed, and format the SD/TForFT card I'm supposed to use and what to do with it in the PARD. Very little information that a caveman like me understands. I could really use some help with what card I need to order from Amazon here in the USA.
Got a Pard, great bit of kit. No interest in filming or taking pictures of what I’m shooting, so for me the makers could get rid of that function. What I would like to see is a ballistic calculator.
Steve Allan, thought about the ATN but reviews and stupidly high prices put me off. Got the 008lrf in the Black Friday sales, bargain! I do hope Pard down go down the ballistic calc route
Never had a crash with my ATN 4K. Did yours have latest firmware? You don’t need sunshade if you have ABL, which keeps length down. You are paying for the glass in ATN - it’s a scope first with digital bits added.
Bugs are the unfortunate nature of software. I purchased my ATN much later than you, so that’s why I never witnessed those bugs. Love the latest firmware with the new mil dot reticle as it helps with windage.
Ive used mine today after I've updated the firmware and i can say seem like it working. I've played arround with the function and feature for 5 hours shooting steel at 450yards and hitting steel. Went from firmware 2.7 somthing straight to 3.6 .
No, it's a scope last - the glass quality is no more than mediocre and ATN won't even tell you the lens aperture. It's a scope for the I Phone generation - full of features of dubious value, and not enough effort put into making the optical side of the device to a decent standard
Pard is an amazing bit of for price,size and quality.looking forward to the thermal coming soon and spanking all others as well lol,would mention that the pard mount will need shimmed at the back on an airgun,the mount fitted with a grub screw adjuster would be an excellent addition please pard
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I was in 2 minds which to go for but not now . Great vid . Keep them coming .
I’ve had both and there’s no comparison in my view.
Pard wins hands down in pretty much every respect for hunting.
Thanks for watching and confirming my comments
100%👍
Just got the pard nv008 lrf and I love it
Nice, have fun with it.
Great comparison. I have a Pard 008 LRF. Superb bit of kit. Put a Viltrox DC50 screen on it via a HDMI cable and mount it on the side rail and night shooting is as clear as day shooting without looking through the unit. Excellent.
Nice :)
Good job. Having ATN will agree with everything except customer service. Had 2 problems so far and both were solved easy and fast. Was very happy with that
Fair ! I have both, I agree with this.
Thanks for watching and confirming my comments
Having owned the ATN, Photon XT, and now a Pard 008, the PARD simply pisses all over both of them. Great and honest review, well done. And you are right, ATN after sales service is terrible. My ATN was nothing but trouble, sold it, bought a PARD, never been happier.
Thanks for watching and confirming what I have said.
@@airgunology - Keep up those honest reviews Steve. UA-cam needs more like you.
Thank you for the very helpful video, I was about to buy the ATN but when I saw the size difference of the two units I went for the Pard NV008SLRF instead, a few less silly features and like you I preferred an exchangeable very common battery. The zoom looks much easier and quicker to use.
How is your pard holding up. I’m thinking about buying the new ds35 but I’m not sure how pard is as a whole. Is their stuff reliable?
Looking forward to this one.
Wasn't disappointed, very thorough review, thanks.
Thanks for watching
Spot on review Steve, the Pard is a hard act to follow 👍
Thanks for watching and confirming my comments
I had the ATN, I had a bunch of issues with it. When I got in touch with other users on facebook I learned there were ALOT of problems with ATN products, especially the 4k. I sent mine back and bought a pard 007.
Now If the ATN was reliable and worked properly I would have loved it. Especially the ballistic computer and ABL functions. I bought dual adapters so I can move this between my .30-06 Weatherby and my FX Dreamline and between as a standalone nightvision monocular.
I use Sight Mark and they have stellar customer service. My scope went kaput and so I called them up and they gave me shipping label etc. They returned it a week and a half later with a new one and a newer generation than I had submitted! Great video.
Great service.
I know this is late but...the pricing you mention is certainly different in the States. The Pard 008 LRF is $1000 and the ATN 4K is $700. I would also disagree that ATN's customer service is rubbish. I have contacted them several times for help on loading firmware (my fault) to wanting to buy the new cantilever mount that comes with the LTV. They sent me the mount for free plus a tee shirt.
I've had 3 ATN's and maybe I'm just used to their menu system and features but I like it a lot. I also very much like the ballistic calculator which is a must for any distance shooting. Maybe the Pard is fine for limited range of an airgun but not for anything that shoots farther than 150 yards (meters).
If the Pard WAS in the $700 range I might consider it for .22LR but then again ATN has introduced the LTV 3-9 @ $599 or 5-15 @ $675.
MAN! You saved me a TON of money! The ATN has givein me an uneasy feeling since I first discovered it.. Never had heard of the PARD but am now going to research that (and buy it of course!). Thanks again for the FIRST HONEST REVIEW I've seen.
Glad I could help!
@@airgunology Now, if I could ONLY find a U.S. Dealer!
I looked at the two for my hunting rifle. Once I saw that the Pard stopped at .308, it was a non-issue. The 4k can handle recoil up to a .416 Rigby. My choice was clear for long range hunting. YMMV
The pard nv 008 lrf is a cracking bit of kit , the best night vision / day scope ive used . Compact well made and reliable .
4k pro battery last for ages.
And with the smart rectical set up right is absolutely brillient.
That little teal dot is spot on and gives you your exact hold over every time.
And with the abl it's unbeatable.
Atn all day long.
Useful, No surprises there. ATN got too used to having a monopoly and have drifted behind because they do not listen to their client's requests.
Too true.
After your review of the Pard I went and purchased one and mounted it on CZ 22Lr. Shooting subsonic ammo with a suppressor. everything you said is true thanks for such a detailed review. We love the Pard because it is so simple and it just works. You are correct the phone app is Pants. The built in laser is fantastic for some of the commercial jobs we do we don't even have to look through the scope just put the laser on point and fire. The most impressive feature is the weight. We love it thanks.
Excellent and glad the video helped you Robert.
Steve. I was Zeroing the Pard and it is perfect at 50m perfect at 25 but 25-30mm low at 12.5m. Why is this as logically it should be high?
Certainly helped me decide against getting an ATN.
You won't be disappointed the atn is superb.
@@PeakyBlinder I bought the Pulsar Digisight Ultra LRF.
@@MrRockstar1968 my friend has that scope it is nice,
@@PeakyBlinder yeah it's got some nice features and options. I like the fact you can set the crosshair to multiple distance and use the rangefinder, then click on that distance setting and the crosshair is et to where you need it for that distance. Great for nighttime hunting.
@@MrRockstar1968 like the abl, it's range finds and sets the crosshair on 1 push of a button.
It also works very well with the right data input and the ballistics calc,
I love the way you can many profiles for different guns and ammo as well and your data is saved and exported to micro SD.
Thanks for this review, it's just helped me make up my mind 100% I'm buying a pard right now 👍
Glad it helped
Still got my nitesite viper, perfect little tool.
PARD is on another level. Had my 007 for over a year...faultless unit. I had a photon RT...like comparing a steam engine with a Porsche
Great review and have to say the more i hear about the pard the more appealing it becomes. I have the 4k and only crashes i have ever had has been while linking it to a phone then it falls over like a drunk at closing time. My other major beef with the 4k is the focus ring being phenomenally stiff to the point that i dont bother and leave it on about 35m. On the plus side the linked LRF/ ballistics calculator is a godsend and amazingly accurate taking the estimation out of night shooting down to 7 or 8 m which is the one thing that the Pard really lacks. If Pard added that then it would be a no brainer for a lazy git like me.
Thanks for watching and confirming my comments
Just returned my ATN only had it 5 days but in that time it shut down twice and was temperamental starting up .Some folk have no issues with the ATN but lots seem to do .Nice comparison
This was excellent -- Thank you!!!
So happy I’ve been salvaging 18650s for the last couple years. Pard for me!
I have the 007 and the 008 and I love them both, but the 008 is better. Nice review, thanks.
Thanks for watching
Thanks for the review. Most likely saved me a bunch of money. - What night sight do you use on your Leshiy 2? Night vision or thermal scope? Or monocular thermal and then go to the night vision scope?
IVE got the X SIGHT 2 with the ABL,had problems initially with the scope but to be fair to ATN they sorted it and no problems for over year with it now.And today bought the pard lrf and a new HW BP K for it to sit on, yet to use but I'm sure i won't be disappointed.
in your honest opinion as im going to purchase atn 4k or pard 008 which is better for small game up to 50 yds hunting?>
@@joshturner9766 the pard, especially the new model which has the giroscope to stop cant
thank you so much for this my mind is made up now.
Thanks for the great advise.
Have both and used on both FX Impact and Delta Wolf, ATN wins hands down
Atn us junk all they sell is gimmicks and broken promises
I second that.
The atn makes shooting a pleasure .
I love mine.
@@jackrusselloutdoors8307 lol nice not joke.
@@PeakyBlinder
Hope youre not serious lol ATN is cheap garbage
@@jackrusselloutdoors8307 jack this week I have input all the data into the atn ballistics calc and what ever range I put in the bullet hits the crosshair..
It's awesome.
What bad experience have you had with the atn.
Hi Steve I think you have changed my mind, there could be a secondhand atn 4K pro coming onto the market. The PARD seems striking more attractive. Although I’ve had no problems with my atn i prefer the Pard just for its size and weight difference.
Nice review. I like my ATN 4k but if I had seen the PARD before I got the ATN. I would have gone with the PARD as well. The ATN is massive.
Any problems with your atn?
@@2wheeladdict12 overall the atn has been reliable when I've taken it out. I have the PARD now also. The ATN is more feature rich and variable zoom.
Nice honest comparative review @Steve. Hopefully PARD will issue a firmware update (sooner rather than later), including a ballistic calculator and a FFP reticle option.
The other thing I'd like to see PARD include is an option to record in 4:3 ratio, as the PARDs display in 4:3 but record in 16:9 ratio, so the picture is stretched during recording, to 1,920x1,080. I pre-process all my recorded footage back to 1,440x1,080 before editing, it's still full HD but now in 4:3 ratio so reticles look correct and wheels are round again. :o)
A lot of digital scopes need shimming (nature of the beast), but few are as easily shimmed as the PARD.
@Kevgun (on the NV Forum and Airgun forum) will shortly be producing a one-piece replacement mount that includes both vertical and horizontal adjustment, via lockable grub screws = the end of shimming!
Keep up the good work, cheers. Russ
Ps. FYI I've illustrated the 16:9 / 4:3 ratio differences with comparison clips here: ua-cam.com/video/Bz95rsyEWpA/v-deo.html
Maybe one day Pard will put a ballistic calc in the unit via an upgrade. Everything is possible as it is a mini computer.
@@airgunology I don't know if the internal PARD hardware includes an electronic inclinometer, without that it wouldn't be able to also auto-compensate for steep shots. R
Great review. Thank you
Thanks for watching
Nice review. Very good info. For my situation, the ATN is more economical. With a quick release mount, the scope can be zeroed for up to six rifles. Add the ballistics calculator and I'm very happy. I do really wish the arm had a user replaceable battery though. Thanks again for the great review.
The only thing that lets the PARD NV008 down is the cheap cast alloy mounts. The price of a good innomount QD set is almost 1/3 the price of a new scope.
Yes the mount could be better.
Good review I’ve just ordered the pard after wanting the ATN
Glad I went with the pard 008
Thank you
Great information. Thank you
Great comparison thanks 👍
Nice reveiw,,,,,,,any chance you could do one on the SATONG HT 60.
Nice!!!
Hiya Steve, having had both of these and still got the Pard, my own personal opinion is that the Pard Wins hands down, best thing i did was trade the the atn in, Cheers
Thanks for watching
Top review Steve,as always!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😁
Thanks for watching
Ps. The PARD rightly scores highly here, even higher if you consider its left-hand weaver rail for add-ons like an IR illuminator to extend the NV range beyond 150m, or the DIY HUDs (head-up-displays). Some folk are using those with the video out signal to attach 800x600 LED screens for more relaxed shooting while ratting.
Cheers. Russ
Yes it is nicely designed and still compact
Brutally honest...thank you brother. You just saved me a shit-load of money. Plus...let’s face it, I am a caveman stuck in a digital world and that ATN is more of a freaking computer more than it is a scope. ATN is over priced, over loaded, overly complicated, over sized, over weight, over rated, did I mention OVERPRICED! My god I love honesty. I always get that when watching your reviews. I have been waiting forever even though I never bothered to ask anyone for a review and was just bidding my time for a good solid reviewing these two choices. The only thing I did not catch is slow motion or is that something that is done in playback? Thank you for your opinion on these optical choices. KISS keep it simple stupid! Sounds to me like ATN didn’t learn that one and PARD did. Slow motion is the question. Maybe I missed so watching again.
The ATN is more like a 2 quid calculator with a hole drilled in it, I think computer is too strong!!
No slow motion, you have to do it in post production on both scopes.
I was out with a pard 007 the other night, took my eye away felt as pissed as a rat and nearly fell into a river in flood, never mind I got the rat!. Love your channel
That did not make much sense, I took my eye away from the scope total black out and very disoriented,does that make more sense.?
It happens with digital night sights, blindness for a while. Turning down the brightness on the screen can help a little, but you will always get this.
Hi there Allan, i hope you still read your older uploads.
Is this PARD any good for ratting?
I hope (really hope) to hear from you.
Cheers.
I heard the micro USB slot in the Pard wasn’t for charging, and that trying to do so causes damage.
Never had any problems and is the only use for the micro USB port. Much of this will come from the advice not to charge Lithium batteries inside devices in case of fire. I charge mine using the port with no issues, but always keep in the same room as me when charging in case of issues.
Steve Allan
From MMSPORTING.CO.UK
“PARD NV008 LRF Digital Day Night Vision Rifle Scope
in stock ready to ship
PLEASE NOTE: An external battery charger is required for this item. The micro USB port is for transferring data to a computer and NOT for charging. Charging via the USB port may damage the device and any damaged caused will not be covered by the warranty.”
I read in the user manual, for my Pard NV008, that it’s for “USB charging”, yet other sites say it causes damage.
@@sudo_nym I have had no issues. If you want to play safe, charge it externally. When connected to a computer via USB, nothing is recognised and no drives are mounted and you cannot read the card in the scope. I would trust the manual more. But it is your choice.
Steve Allan. Sure is, Steve, and I’ll carry on charging in a charger, but it’s curious that there’s so much directly conflicting information out there.
Hi Steve, just watched video regarding thePard 008 LRF,and would like to ask a couple of questions. 1 Do you have to format the SD card, and if so how? 2 How do you link it to a smartphone, is it via an app through WiFi??
Thank you
Chris
Put the card in the scope, go to the menu and press format. Connecting to the smart phone is via an app that you download and connect via wireless to display the image / video on the screen of the smart phone.
Steve Allan
Thank you Steve, that is very helpful, and very much appreciated!
Thank you once again.
Is crushing still a problem with ATN 4K Pro today? Thank you
Good luck selling a 4 K pro after this comparison
I got a hat and a balloon for mine, so worth something.
That's why I sold my Photon RT this summer before getting a PARD008LRF, quickly as I could!
Cheers. Russ
Good review sir
Tank you
Great video. How satisfied you are with Pard night vision?
Regards
Very satisfied with it.
@@airgunology any video of it?
I have had the ATN X sight 2 for four years, no problems at all! When ever I had a question tech support was right there. The biggest defference between the two is " what are you using it on?" If its a pellet gun I guess the Pard would be fine but if you are using it on a rifle, the balastic calculater is worth its weight in gold! I shoot out to 300 - 600 yards and its dead on! Its like having an awesome spotter with you all the time. I would not give that up if the Pard was $50, and thats about all I would spend for a pellet gun optic. Just my opinion but for a real rifle the ATN is the way to go. I am not putting down air rifles as I own a couple of good ones myself, but really, how good of an optic do you really need for shooting 75 yards or so? I suppose it all depends on where you live too, if you can't have a rifle and are limited to air guns get what works for you. I have profiles for many rifles and pellet guns set on my ATN, works great on both and having night vision for rats on pellet rifle is cool, but I will stick with the ATN. Great vid though!!!
You are one of the lucky ones then. I am not deliberately slating ATN, but very rarely do I hear good stories like this. Hopefully this will all change in the UK now the distribution has changed to Highlands. But all that said, we must remember that this was not designed for Air Rifles and ATN seem really not to care about the air rifle community with regards to their scopes. The ATN's can be great, if you are lucky and get a good one. Still have my 4K
@@airgunology Thanks for the come back Steve! I have heard alot of bad exp's with the newer ATN products but all my hunting buds have the same X Sight ll that I have and we are all very happy with them. I am subed to your channel and really enjoy all your vids keep up the great work, and a hat tip to you from the U.S!
@@phlashtheband4939 No problems buddy. It must be us air gunners in the UK and the bad distributor. Hopefully now with a new distributor, thinks will improve.
I have a 4K PRO for 2 years and I never had any problems. I use it on my Browning Bar Prime .300 WM.
Most of the shots I shoot are between 75 and 100 meters to wild boar or deer.
I think that if you use PARD instead of ATN at the end of the 2 shot you would be dead.
Anyway, I will test the PARD on my Marlin 30-30 as this caliber is already much smoother.
@@kkkmatos Still looking for an explanation of your comment?
So which one the best of them do you think..
i use the pard 007 and 008 been brilliant,as soon as i looked through the 4K i knew it wasn,t for me.
Well done dude, the ATN is nothing but problems.
@The Manure Plough both are good in all fairness its just what you preflare dedicated NV or one that adds on to a scope
I like the ballistic sight correction , however I don;t like the ATN scopes, are there any other options for a scope with similar features?
Pulsar
Great video and will be buying a Pard008 LRF very soon. Do you know if there are software updates for the Pard008. Also do you know if a new Gen is coming out?
What great information, thank you! What about range? Or did I miss that?? Curious if you get better range out of either.
If you are using it for lighting up the night, just buy more IR flashlights
Is it worth getting the built in rangefinder on the pard 008??
Yes, well worth it.
nice vid again!!!
Thanks for watching
Hi please can you help me understand how to use a shim on my pard 008 I have an age vixen short and when I mount my pard the crosshairs are way down can you help please
Dave
Can animals see the light from the ir illuminator
Since the IR light is too far away from the animals, they can not see it.
But if you look close & directly onto the lens, you can see a dim red glow on light.
FYI:
Don't look directly onto the IR lens too long.
Hay Steve. Will you be doing a review on the new pard SA thermal?? Please 👍🏻
If i can get hold of one for review. I have tried, but no luck yet.
Good review,nice to hear you nock something back I think that atn is crap to,pard or nitesite all day,way better quality and value for money.well done pard all day my friend
ATN was the only option for ages and their marketing was diabolical with promises and false HD and 4K advertising. But it worked (ish) and was the king until Pard took over.
What’s the recoil rating on the pard? Could this be used on a AR in 450 Bushmaster for hogs/axis deer?
I am not sure, check on the Pard website.
Before I found Pard I had 2 ATN's
My ATN's were a complete nightmare.
I got lucky to sell them off at a minor profit.
I finally settled on 2 pards. A nv 008 and
The SA 35.
Both units have preformed FLAWLESSLY!!!
So much so I not only wrote to atn praising Pard..but went to a local gun expo and publicly bashed atn.
To say the least representative's from atn are not happy..( they actually filed a lawsuit against me but quickly withdrew due to overwhelming evidence against ATN's problems with its products)
Spot on!👍👍👍👍👍
Was inclined to buy a ATN but now I won’t. Saved a lot of $$$$ with this video.
well, looks like i made a bad purchase Then i have to wait what will happen Thanks for review
Hopefully you will be fine.
The only sad thing with the Pard is when I read the add it said you had 5 different colours on the scope X hair, but it seems we only have 2 red and yellow. Red is not such a great colour as its most abundent natural colour of the light spectrum, and to some of us, it can kind of look ( due to red) a little Smudged. I am sure it would not be hard for Pard to put out an update to throw say an extra blue and green in the choice, much kinder to the eye. and maybe another couple of cross hair types to choose from, would be good as well. But thats my 2 cents worth!!
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One question, is the pard model better or atn 4kpro?
Steve I need your help for a moment . I bought the PARD NV 007 because of multi gun esage the issue is It doesnt tell me what type, size, format anything about the SD card. Please help brother. I'm a caveman stuck in a digital world and trying to catch up. Thank you
The SD card needs to be a micro SD card up to 32gb. Buy one from Amazon. Slot it in, use the Pard menu system to format it (see my other videos) and away you go. No need to change anything if you swap rifles.
Steve I’m thinking about getting a pard for using with my BSA r10se. I see the Pard is now coming with a new weaver rail mounting system. Would the pard still require to be shimmed, or would the new mount be ok ?
Depends on your rifle. 3 out of 4 rifles I tried needed shimming. It is fairly easy to do
Thanks for that Steve, hopefully a better mounting system will be produced.
More break barrel reviews please mate
If I can get hold some some
Can I use pard on a tikka t3x lite? Is it fitted for rifle shooting or just air rifle?
A question, sir. At different times, it automatically adjusts the point of impact itself? Which model do you recommend for the PCP rifle, 4k or pard008?
It doesn't adjust automatically. You have to press those buttons.
Which you can always do & adjust all optically scopes. It's all marketing. 4k is dead weights!
ATG, my uncle & I suggest to look for Pard NV007s.
Then you can attach it to many scopes & less weights than both.
I used 007s onto my Accuracy International Arctic Warfare for long distances.
Got a phone call earlier today from a foreign woman asking me about the crash i had earlier, and i thought F@ck me that ATN scope is good, it even called for help.
hahahahaa
simple question , i will be shooting at night , will be getting a range finder , would you recommend the pard over a normal ( lets say vantage hawke £150 ) for normal daytime shooting . IS this a replacement for normal optics even if im just doing targets of plinking in the day ? Im looking for something with a little bit less parallax over the Hawke , do i just go all in for the pard or upgrade the normal optics ?
I’ve talked with ATN about the xsight 4K pro and it had 4K footage but due to a glitch they removed it. They tell me later this year 4K filming will be restored. But I’ll believe it when I see it available on my xsight.
What you mean your ATN actually turns on!!
Yes. It’s actually been working flawless since I got the direct firmware install tool. I do not put the update on a SD card rather plug the atn into my laptop and hit update on the tool.
My first one did freeze all the time but was quickly replaced with a new unit and has preformed amazingly. The issue I have had is I purchased rechargeable batteries for the Illuminati and the seller (not atn) claimed they were 3v each but were actually 3,7v. So they burnt out my Illuminator. I’m currently trying to get a replacement.
@@MACISUS Its the only type of updates Ive done, and done again, still junk, ATN are not interested.
George Devlin I got a good rep maybe? His name is Aaron. He sent this link for Windows. It’s a program that updates the ATN directly. Works for ATN xsight or Thor thermal. ATN is stupid. That they don’t offer this directly. The link has to be sent to you. I thought there is no way it would make a difference but it did. Hopefully it helps you out.
atncorp.com/fs/atnfirmwareupdate-win-1.0.2-setup.exe?fbclid=IwAR1Z4H0-LAxFak3HXxHNBhfdlix5llYC_YHYUqirJ5knjjpYNyIqXTw_DFA
@@MACISUS I havent got this far without trying it a few times, sent ti back a few times, every time it has the same or alternative or multiple problems...junk will always be junk.
the pard send to use the same technology as my Lumix G80 mirror less camera and that's brilliant quality image wise 👍
Good to know!
Ok Steve just wondering if you can help me what it is I've just got a atn 4kpro with abl set it up on my fx maverick 177 when I go into the setting it wont accept 8.44 gr it just comes up at 10gr wont go lower hope you can help its doing my head in why it does this I dont know maybe am doing something wrong
How to order sir
Google your nearest supplier.
23 ATN owners felt they got duded on this video.
Yes it appears so.
The pard 008 is very good if you have to wear glasses you can keep them on using the pard 008 the Yukon I had before I had to take my glasses off to use the bloody thing
Yes that is another advantage of the Pard.
I wish I knew what size, speed, and format the SD/TForFT card I'm supposed to use and what to do with it in the PARD. Very little information that a caveman like me understands. I could really use some help with what card I need to order from Amazon here in the USA.
Get a 32gb micro SD card that is class 10 rated. Pop it into the Pard, use the menu system to format it and away you go.
@@airgunology Thank you so much. You, sir, are the man!
Got a Pard, great bit of kit. No interest in filming or taking pictures of what I’m shooting, so for me the makers could get rid of that function. What I would like to see is a ballistic calculator.
Maybe it is coming in the future. If you really want ballistic calculations, then the ATN is the only one at the moment.
Steve Allan, thought about the ATN but reviews and stupidly high prices put me off. Got the 008lrf in the Black Friday sales, bargain! I do hope Pard down go down the ballistic calc route
Never had a crash with my ATN 4K. Did yours have latest firmware? You don’t need sunshade if you have ABL, which keeps length down. You are paying for the glass in ATN - it’s a scope first with digital bits added.
Yes latest firmware always as released. I had the ATN 4k from 8 months after release and it was always playing catch up with its bugs.
Bugs are the unfortunate nature of software. I purchased my ATN much later than you, so that’s why I never witnessed those bugs. Love the latest firmware with the new mil dot reticle as it helps with windage.
Ive used mine today after I've updated the firmware and i can say seem like it working. I've played arround with the function and feature for 5 hours shooting steel at 450yards and hitting steel. Went from firmware 2.7 somthing straight to 3.6 .
No, it's a scope last - the glass quality is no more than mediocre and ATN won't even tell you the lens aperture.
It's a scope for the I Phone generation - full of features of dubious value, and not enough effort put into making the optical side of the device to a decent standard
I think they only put in a quarter of a digital bit in mine. I think that overcharging for crap is a more accurate phrase than "paying for glass"
Thx u for your review, I gonna save a couple hundred $
i have to say i don't like the way the pard hangs of the back of the rifle, its going to move
I'm using PARD NV008 WITH RANGE FINDER i love it at Price Range IT'S UNBEATABLE 👌
Thanks for watching and confirming my comments
Just received a 5/20 going to try it out on my ar10 it's not a bbgun coyotes days are numbered on the farm black bear to.
Pard is an amazing bit of for price,size and quality.looking forward to the thermal coming soon and spanking all others as well lol,would mention that the pard mount will need shimmed at the back on an airgun,the mount fitted with a grub screw adjuster would be an excellent addition please pard
Yes only major downside of the Pard is 3/4 of the times it needs shimming
DEAR DELBOL, PLEASE DROP A LINE IF/WHEN THE THERMAL PARD COMES OUT, CHEERS, MICK FROM UK, SURREY.
Could someone please put Pard nv008 on Ps90?
And make video of them!