How to Pan in Atmos: Mixing in Dolby Atmos, Part 2
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- In part two, I demonstrate three approaches to panning that I use in Dolby Atmos. Stay tuned for part three, to learn how to use effects in Dolby Atmos.
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Awesome. You made me think out of the box for the atmos approach. :) :)
This is awesome
Really good video. This mix will add a lot to my beats. I subscribed, I followed, I'm waiting for the continuation of the videos, sir ✌🏻
Thank you very much, I really appreciate it! :)
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Hey! Thanks. ;)
Nice. But I'm not 100% sure of your use of the "LFE" channel. I mean, Binaural doesn't have a LFE channel, most soundbar either. Moreover, frequencies below 90Hz or 80Hz (depends on the specs of the crossover) send low frequencies to the sub anyway. So my point is, why bother to send Kick to LFE channel and risk causing phase issues, when low frequencies will go to sub anyway?
Hi, thank you for the comment! Use of the LFE is not a requirement, but rather a personal choice. You don't have to use it at all if you don't want to. :) The other thing is that LFE in an Atmos setting is used in the same way as in the movie mix. It is a low-frequency effect channel and is not meant to be used as a tool to extend the frequency response of the playback system. When you are building a mix in Atmos on a proper system designed for mixing until you send something to the LFE it will not playback anything. All speakers in Atmos in a mixing context are supposed to be full range, and the LFE channel is just another channel and you control what will be played back through the LFE. However, as you said, different consumer playback systems might treat this channel differently, and in most cases where the system cannot properly playback the LFE channel it will be just ignored during playback. So it should not be an issue during playback on consumer devices that support Atmos.
But I know that there are some cases with stereo downmixes, where the LFE will just be added to the rest of the downmix. In such cases, it is important to make sure that you filtered the LFE signal in the mix itself, as I demonstrated in my first video. Because the LFE signal is full range before it actually goes out to a sub, it's better to cut all the high end during mixing.
And binaural does have the LFE channel. Binaural render in the Atmos Renderer itself plays back the LFE signal. Amazon and Tidal are using the same algorithm, so you will have LFE playback when you are listening to binaural on those platforms.
I've been doing tests on different consumer-grade systems, like soundbars, different 5.1 surround systems, and haven't heard issues with the LFE playback. But it is important to check for phase issues during mixing. I've found that as long there are no issues in the mix, there will be no issues during playback. Hope this helps! :)
@@gkmixing Hey, thanks for the reply. Yeah, I mean mixing for movies is another world, as I'm doing a lot of mix and sound design, yes LFE channel is used a lot. But as we know, a proper playback system like a 7.1.4 or higher is not quite the same as the binaural, so in my opinion, right in the corner are most of the mistakes that most people make when they start to approach Dolby Atmos. Yes you can definitely mix in your headphones and play with "LFE" channel, but once you translate the mix in a properly tuned room with an Atmos array, you can clearly hear that the bass management isn't what you have designed, and so on and so forth. Last mention is that most music labels, such Sony, for example, doesn't want a central and lfe channel in the delivery file. This is understandable because as we know when mixing music in Atmos configuration, there is no more "phantom channel" (central channel) like in the stereo realm. So it's pointless to put "object" right in the center. Different thing is Atmos for movies, where yes you use the central channel (most for the dialogue) and lfe (most for rumbling sfx).
@@alessiogiorgianni_official I actually don't use bass management when mixing, because the speaker system in the studio I rent is full range, there is just no need for that and the sub is used only for the LFE. That said, I didn't encounter problems to such an extent, where I felt that the use of the LFE broke the mix. But I will try to look into it more and try to test more consumer systems, to see if this might be a bigger problem than I previously thought. Thanks for the insight!
Regarding labels, there is actually a bit of wiggle room in regards to the center channel and how it's used. What they really hate is if you for example hard pan a vocal to the center speaker only, that's definitely not something they want. But if there is some object that uses a center channel you can actually get away with that. And it also depends on the label, some give more flexibility.
On a personal level, I really like using the center channel. I don't like how Atmos mixes sound when the center channel is not being used, and in my opinion, they sound flat. But this decision is for the client to make. Scoping becomes really important and understanding the requirements is crucial for successful delivery. Just yesterday I actually did a mix where the use of the center channel was allowed, but currently, it's not always a mixer's decision. And I don't agree with labels enforcing this, but it is what it is. I consider it to be a case-by-case type of thing.
Are you using Mac or Windows? I'm on windows and I'm confused if ATMOS in Cuebase will work on windows.
Yes it will. Built-in Atmos Renderer in both Cubase and Nuendo will work on Windows without issues. :)
Thanks. That is awesome. Subscribed and notified! Keep going!
Please what's the name of the atmos plugin?
All stuff I show is available as part of Nuendo and Cubase. Both DAWs have integrated Atmos Renderer and built-in panners are designed to work in Atmos. If you have Nuendo or Cubase you can do all this stuff exactly as I show in my videos. You can mix in Atmos in Logic and Pro Tools and there are some differences, but general concepts and ideas are the same.
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