Coming up for sale at the Rock Island Auction Company, May 3-5 2019, the Multiple Gun Motor Carriage M16, with all the dakka a man could want. Vehicle sold for $97,750
@@JiggleWiggleBagel actually those could there are weak points in the abrams like the side of the turret and rear and engine deck and the drivers section
I hope this turns into an arms race. “Hi guys! Thanks for tuning in to another episode on forgottenweapons.com. I’m Ian McCollum, and I’m here today at Île Longue taking a look at the Marine Nationale’s M51 Mer-Sol-Balistique-Stratégique.”
My Imperial Guard Armor Company has lain sadly unused for many years, but remains vigilant in the service of the Emperor against the Xeno scum and Chaos traitors.
Germany: pretends that their whole army is mechanized with half tracks and trucks The US: decides to mechanize their whole army with half tracks and trucks in order to keep up Congratulations, you’ve played yourself.
The German military was never mechanised as is written about them. Luck etc made them win the few major wars in Europe. The Germans were using horses to bull the gun carriages of the artillery. And many times the German advance was so far forward their was no artillery support for them. Horses and carts was the German army as seen during invasion of the western allies seen in 1944 film photographs and stills that are recorded in history. The Germans were far from ready for war.
@@bmcg5296 They did definitely get lucky, luckier than they should've been, though I think their early victories can also be blamed on the incompetence of French high command. That, and the diplomatic work between the Nazis and Commies early on. Of course it should be no surprise given their philosophy that the Nazis deluded themselves into thinking this meant they could take on the world.
More than 2 milions of horses were in constant service in german armed forces ..by whole war. They had always about W milions of horses in service..horses pulled artilery ..pulled carts with suplies etc.
20:54 joy is a severe understatement. At the tender age of 15 I had the privilege of controlling and firing an M45 quad mount. Only one gun was loaded, and with blanks at that, but the experience was truly awesome!
Doing some research for a paper some years ago I was surprised to find a few action reports that these Quad 50's were devastating during the "Battle of the bulge". One report noting that a German unit 200+ marched right up to one in parade formation thinking it was a captured US vehicle being used at the beginning of the offensive by some of Skorzeny's "special units", the US gunner seeing the opportunity after the officer leading the German unit waved at him and he in turn stood up and waved back and let the "parade" get close and then opened up on them with devastating results. Another report these were used to repel a German recon in force searching for an allied fuel dump (the largest in battleground Europe at the time) stopping them less than 200-300 yrds from discovering the dump.
My uncle 2nd Marine div ww2 was in Artillery 155 tow their antiaircraft consisted of a truck mounted quad .50 while a Japanese tank was trying to flank them. UNCLE said the gunner used 3 or four short burst to destroy the tank.
Robert Payne There wasn't much to those light Japanese tanks, they basically had the same thickness of armor the half tracks did. A ma deuce with AP Ammo would could make quick work of them.
When he said 3 1/2 gallons to the mile (17:24), I was shocked for a moment. But when he said the range was around 200 miles, I realized he meant miles to the gallon.
An understandable mistake. He's a tanker, so he always thinks in terms of gallons to the mile. Thanks for figuring this out; I'll take your word for it, too lazy to do the math myself.
I learned about the M16 from two men I worked with. One crewed a M16 in Normandy. They would break into a field and spray the bocage with .50 cal fire. A good example of ground use. A LTC I worked for was a AAA officer in Korea. His platoon originally had four M16s and four 40MM dusters (M42s I think). The dusters were replaced with four more M16s and they provided supporting fire in a ground mode for the Second Infantry Division . They did have the opportunity to utilize plunging fire in some operations and fired over hills to engage enemy. An aside to the story was that in a platoon of eight M16s the oldest man was the platoon sergeant. He was 21. My boss, the platoon leader, was 20.
Good video to watch with a few minor points. Original switches on halftracks had a key in the switch which could be pulled to prevent theft. The push-button starter switch sat in a position right below the switch (Thus the hole above the after market switch in the video was actually installed in the original push-button position). Original fuel tanks had a rubber coating and were a self sealing fuel tank. Converted M16 tracks for Korea like the M16A2 were given an additional 12" ring to elevate the M45F Maxson turret, and the fold down armor was bolted up in the corners. In addition, a Packard slip ring like the ones used in the Sherman Tanks was installed under the turret to provide both communications to the gunner and provide the ability to charge the halftrack battery from the turret generator or the turret batteries from the halftrack generator. In addition a rear door was installed on the M16A2 to provide easier access to the gun compartment and two storage boxes were also added at the rear of the track on either side of the door similar to the 16A1 models. All original M16s came with a winch where the A1s could have a winch or ditching roller depending on the vehicles previous nomenclature. The additional armor added to the turret for Korean War is called Bat-Wing armor. Not trying to be clever, just sharing some information that might be helpful to all interested parties. My M16A2 is currently on display at the National Museum of the US Air Force (NMUSAF) in Dayton Ohio for an 18 month loan. It was recovered from East Africa in 2007 and is completely original to include its paint. Check it out if interested on my website AQProject.org
I've been following Ian for years and love what he does with "pop guns". But Nick is right, after being a tanker and shooting a 105 mm main gun any hand held firearm is a pop gun.
In high school, the principal gave my US History class a presentation with pictures of his experience in Vietnam as a USMC artilleryman. He said they used a quad-.50 mount to extend their defensive perimeter by cutting down trees. The disc brake on the driveshaft is still a very popular modification for trucks and jeeps today. Im surprised it was implemented in such an old vehicle
The first M3's that went to war didn't have the idler wheels spring loaded. Once in use in North Africa, the drivers discovered that the rough terrain would make the idler wheels snap off. Some mechanics figured out, made and installed the spring mounting by using available parts that the commanders bought from regional supply houses. They sent photographs and shop drawings of those to the Ordnance Department who in turn made and installed their own to test out. They were impressed so had those made and installed on all of the halftracks on the production lines and out in service at training camps and overseas.
What i like about about Mr. chieftains work is that hes not just explaining about a vehicles history.. but hes showing all kind of stuffs to viewers too like knobs,dials, switches,gauges,what this thing or that do..how it works/functions etc..Infos like this makes his vids more interesting and fun to watch. I love it!! Keep it up Mr.Chietain Nicholas Moran.
Had the joy of actually being in the gunner's seat and firing a few rounds out of this back in 1978. The 9th Infantry still had quad 50s mounted on 5 ton trucks. It's a small seat. They left the armor plate off the front to give the gunner a little more leg room! Great video! Thanks for sharing!
@@MrDgwphotos , Back in 1978, the 9th ID was a test bed of all sort of new equipment. I think they actually took some old 5 ton gun trucks out of moth balls as part of the trials. This is how I was fortunate enough have some brief fun with a gun truck. I was actually and ROTC cadet at the time. They asked a few questions about it I was one of the few cadets who knew what it was, so I got to take it for a spin and fire off a few rounds. I could see a reason to bring it back for urban warfare.
How does one get in the gunners seat? Does the armour front open side ways, lift up, or something else? I would have liked the Chieftain to have squeezed himself into the seat.
OneLeather Boot, the shield does hinge open but it was not even mounted on the one I sat in. The sighting bar swings out the way and you can easily sit down, depending on how large you are. Actually a little harder to get of because of how snug the fit is!
@@KnifeChatswithTobias, okay, so it swings out sideways. I thought as much. Thanks for the added detail. As a kid so many decades ago the Tamiya M16 MGC was one of the first plastic models I ever built, so I have a soft spot for it. Fast forward a few decades and reading Vietnam era history books about the gun mount being used on trailers for base defence, as well as on the gun trucks you mentioned shows how effective the quad 50 mount was. Everytime I see a technical in Libya, Syria, Iraq etc with a twin soviet ZSU AA on the back I think of the M16 MGC.
There was an Anti Aircraft battery equipped with Quad .50s at the battle of Dien Bien Phu. In his book on the Battle Martin Windrow writes that they were one of the most effective weapon systems in the Battle. Particularly because of the mounts in the Indirect fire role.
My buddies grandfather was in Korea and used a quad mounted .50. my buddy tells me the grandfather said that during the human wave attacks by the Chinese. It worked very well, he shot untill the barrels glowed from the heat.
The Soviets: "Hold my beer." They came up with the 23mm ZSU-23. It's like a tank with a 4-barrelled turret. It was originally AAA, but adapted for ground use. Both sides are using it as an anti-personnel weapon in Syria in the most recent war. It's absolutely devastating.
The problem with vacuum wipers (they used to be common in cars too) is that the engine produces the most vacuum when the throttle is CLOSED, because the pistons are trying to draw the air through the closed throttle valve. This means that the harder you are working the engine, the less vaccum you have. This usually means that harder you press the gas pedal, the less vacuum you have. The less vacuum you have, the slower the wipers go. So that's a problem. Probably not such a big deal in military vehicles which probably aren't bombing around at top speed anyway, and should have plenty of vacuum from the big engine trying to draw air through a little single barrel carb, no matter how far the throttle is open. In theory anyway. They do work though. and of course the simplest and safest solution is to not drive fast in the rain which is probably wise anyway.
During WWII my father-in-law worked for a US Government contractor in the Bremerton, WA area supplying equipment for the war effort. One of the last contracts they had in 1945 was taking M3 Half Track Tank Destroyers from North Africa and M16 half-Tracked Gun Carriages from Europe, and converting them back to Armored Personnel Carriers for the upcoming invasion of Japan. He said the vehicles were in very poor shape when they received them, but were like new when they finished with them. Of course the war ended before these APCs were needed.
I once met a man who had served at the Pusan Perimeter. He talked about a battery of Puerto Rican National Guardsmen using these to 'mow the grass' in a valley that was a natural weak point in the UN line. Every morning around dawn, this one battery would line up facing into the valley and open up. Apparently it was a rare day when a follow-in patrol wouldn't find a mass of dead Chinese infantry who had been caught in the open by the gunners and thusly sawn into chunky salsa. That round has 6,000 foot-pounds of force (~8100 Joules) at the muzzle, enough to rip through anything that isn't armored or pass through several soft targets before finally losing velocity. 450 rounds per minute per gun, 200 rounds per gun, four guns, means each mount can put out 800 rounds in 26 seconds before needing to be reloaded. It's some pretty grim math once you start running the numbers.
And if your angle of incidence isn't too high, *each* projectile may have multiple opportunities to be effective. EDIT: which is exactly what you said... sorry 'bout that.
Portuguese troops mounted the same quad 50. call in Berliet Tramagal trucks during the Colonial War (1961-74). The engeniously conversion aimed to improve firepower during convoy escorts in the dangerous roads of Mozambique, Angola and Guinea and they proved to do so by just intimidating the guerrilla fighters preventing them to atack in first place. The Americans would do the same in Vietnam but adding more armor to ther trucks creating the infamous gun trucks
I drove deuce and a halves and 5 tons in the Army in the 80s. Still had those vacuum wipers. Okay for rain but in any kind of heavy snow they were worthless.
Surplus half tracks were used in the 1950's for a variety of purposes. Logging trucks, cranes, US Forest Service fire trucks, etc. I rode in one about 1955 that was owned by a rancher in the South Dakota badlands. He had removed all the armor and converted it to a flat bed. It worked great on steep packed dirt slopes. The big problem with vacuum windshield wipers is that the vacuum mostly disappears under heavy load like climbing hills and the wiper action slows to a crawl or stops altogether. Bad news in a snow storm. A quad 50 mount appears in the early part of Saving Private Ryan. Probably just a movie error but I wonder if the Germans did in fact make use of any captured quad 50s.
Re: vacuum systems and leaks Vacuum systems are WONDERFUL for improvised repair because if they do leak, they will draw a sealing compound in from the OUTSIDE, and they aren't making a mess while they're doing it. You can literally fix a cracked vacuum hose with chewing gum if you need to.
The air operated wipers were a PAIN in the you know what..Can't tell you HOW many of those I replaced in my 18 years on military vehicles..They worked fine ..until it rained..or snowed...lol
I hear that if you stand in the middle of RIAH's stock room and speak the name "Ian McCollum" three times... ...someone will politely inform you "he's not here today."
There was a guy on you tube set up and fired a quad .50 from an M16. They had to reverse the feed on two of the guns they wanted to use first before setting them on the mounts. The guns chopped through a breeze ( cinder) block wall easily on a range Really impressive piece if kit and one got a cameo in Band of Brothers.
>luftwaffe newsreels. luftwaffe says it can "totally" destroy forces at dunkirk >carrier-based attack on pearl harbor ... >USA builds all the anti-air >builds all the fighter planes
Ahh vacuum power. A lot of American vehicles used vacuum for all sorts of stuff, had them for hidden headlights in cars like the Lincoln Continental, they also had vacuum actuated windows and door locks and even seats. We used to own a 1984 Buick LeSaber and the seat would automatically move forward and the stearing wheel would rise with the gauges when the engine was turned on all under vacuum. Anyway, with an engine vacuum is basically "free energy" kinda like heat from the engine, and a vacuum system is fairly simple to design even if it did get crazy with some cars, especially in the 80s. Even today most brakes in your cars are boosted by engine vacuum. It's just back then motors where expensive and all the switching and electronic stuff was more expensive than pneumatic valves. In some industries like the oil or chemical industry where fire is a risk, there are entire basically simple logic computers that are pneumatic.
The Brits poke fun at American Armor/Bombers because we have a tendency to stick so many machine guns in our machines they look like porcupines. Americans like Dakadaka even if it's a bit excessive.
Knowing what I’ve seen from tire chains I bet those were a beast to keep on. Speed must have been at a crawl when using those or they would come off given the use on a track.
I haven't gone there in a long time, but in the mid-80s, we used to drive up to Oshkosh, WI for enormous yearly fly-in and air show. They put on a WW2 simulation with fighters and bombers flying low, firing guns and dropping bombs - both fakes, of course, but the guns were real. They had two half-tracks with operational quad-.50s firing blanks in anti-aircraft mode. Maybe the best anti-aircraft mount of the war - not forgetting the Bofors, of course - and I would pay good money to be able to fire a few thousand blanks out of one.
Having grown up with several IHC tractors from the WW2 era (that are still running) I can imagine IHC overbuilt the M17 also. (Everything except the tires is steel lol.) At this time IHC manufactured their own steel, bearings, engines, etc. with really good, functional engineering for robust, uber-reliable products.
I am so glad you provide us with these wonderful videos. Military vehicles are endlessly interesting and there is so much to see and learn it's even kind of overwhelming!
Watched an interesting period video where they demonstrated a track replacement / refitting procedure that halved the official time for task. Involved: backing the adjuster right off, IIRC unbolting one end of the adjuster mount to let it swing down, removing the outer half only of the drive and idler wheels, jacking the vehicle up until you can pop the track over the drive teeth and under the road wheels then remove sideways, reverse procedure for installation. Thanks for another informative and personable video.
Kelly Knott I watched that old film. It is BS. I tried it. It takes that long just for two guys to drag the track into the right place. It is a HEAVY finger pinching dead octopus to move around
I heard a rumor that the owner of the local firing range had an operational quad-50 but could never confirm it. He had damn near everything else so it wouldn't surprise me.
love your videos i am a former military police officer and am fascinated by armour . love your commentary when you explain the vehicles . a fellow vet . I am Canadian just to let you know lol
Based on my in depth research, to put one of these together, minimum $200,000 US. About half of that goes into 4 transferable M2 HMGs, and the rest into the M16 MGMC. I think the realistic minimum budget would be $400,000. That would allow for a minimal inventory of spare parts, and some ammunition.
The Poor Man's Wirbelwind. And the most Bang for your buck in the smallest package. Four em deuce, no waiting! Interesting that the Italians converted an M14/41 into an SPAA using four 13.2mm heavy MGs. In both cases, there was little room for the obligatory canoneers (who spent a lot of their time reloading the MGs). That was also the problem with the otherwise seriously cool mounting of the Maxson on an M3 chassis. Which I want.
The M45 is awesome! However, I would recommend piped-in "Aquatarkus" by Emerson Lake and Palmer for the guy behind the trigger. Or, perhaps "Ride of the Valkyries" if it was back in 1944.
It may well still do so. If memory serves, combat rims still come in three pieces, the two main halves, and a bead locking rim which sortof overlays the two of them and is supposed to keep the tyre in place if it goes flat. I don't believe it's any safer to open incorrectly.
@@Wallyworld30 A Combat Rim, when deflated for tyre replacement comes apart by removing nuts from threaded studs. The Rim comes apart into three pieces, allowing easy installation of a new flap, tube, and tyre. Bolt the rim back together, inflate, done. No explosive dangers involved.
I have an original M16A2 number 315 of the 413 converted for use in Korea... Yes they do exist, and I concur regards the combat rim, it is not a split rim like that found on the Dodge M37 and other military vehicles from the 40s and 50s. Actually the tube and tire can be replaced on a combat rim with the wheel still on the vehicle. Regards changing track, a 1942 training film shows two soldiers replacing a thrown track in 9 minutes. I removed my drivers side track in 35 minutes by myself using the training film as my template. Going to shoot a video of both removal and installation of the passenger side track within the week for u-tube.
My father had a lot to do with the White ones in Australia as they got those under lend-lease and not the IH one. The passenger door side seat was normally not fitted in the gun motor carriage units to allow crew access to the rear of the vehicle as it has no rear door, they only had the drivers seat and the middle seat. Dad had full sets of manuals for them but when he passed away in 1974, the solicitors cleared it all out. We had one on our country property and I can remember having to work on the vacuum windscreen wipers when they clagged up. Some models had copper tubing feeding the vacuum instead of the rubber hoses Which perished in the tropics.
My dad was a drill sergeant in the Anti Aircraft Artillery Intelligence Service (AAAIS) at Ft. Bliss, TX during the Korean War. He instructed trainees in the use of halftracks with quad 50’s for AAA (now ADA) use. Early in the war, US troops in Korea were caught while they had all 4 50’s broken down for cleaning. After that disaster troops were ordered to only clean up to two at a time.
somehow i think burt gummer would be wetting himself right about now, quad 50's for when dual 50's aint enough to counter a shrieker mega herd with some ass blasters thrown in
Every time I hear the story pf popping the wheelie, I laugh. Sorry. Something that big? Though, on their use in Korea, four .50 cal's going off, at once, yeah..... not to be argued with.
Grunts do like using AA vehicles for ground attacks. During Vietnam the Army used M43 Dusters, which were meant to SPAA, as sort of improvised AFVs. The twin 40mm guns, as it turned out worked just as well for taking out enemy troops as it did planes.
I was loaned to our battalion's transportation platoon when it was short of drivers. Word was ( and you could never, ever trust army tales ) there used to be a deuce and a half tanker truck in the POL section. Said truck's frame was broken when drivers would empty the front mogas tanks first and then with just the back tank full pop wheelies with it. After that, all we were only allowed were 5 ton cargo trucks with 2 800 gallon tanks mounted to the bed.
I never knew until I was an adult that the tracks on a Half Track were made out of rubber. Just like the tracks on the Scale Model M-16 Half Track I made as a boy.
Plus I believe 16 1/8 th aircraft cables , 8 on either side of the track guides connected to metal cross bars they are the bulges in the side of the tracks . Also there is no repair of a broken track , yes it's possible to weld a couple chain links from cross bar to cross bar as a temp. collectors repair
I have heard, verbally from folks who were there, that the Quad 50's were also used for indirect, area fire in Korea. Basically, sit behind the hill with your platoon/squad of M16's, work out the pesky details like azimuth and elevation, then open up with X number of 1/2" Artillery so as to saturate an area where the enemy is suspected of assembling one of those human wave attacks, or where they think their mortars, etc. are safe. Was told that where the target was actually there, thousands of 1/2" rounds suddenly falling from way up in the sky proved devastating. I have not run across any documentation on this use, however, given the range and available firepower, it certainly seems to be plausible. This is also one of my favorite AFV's and I really enjoyed your review. Very thorough indeed. Thanks.
Sure, just like an M2 with a T&E can be used for indirect "beaten zone" fire. Not nearly as impressive as the "death ray" of 4x .50 cal. up close, but I guess a lot of very large bullets suddenly falling out of the sky around you would have an impression all their own. I wonder if the M45 has the az and el stadia marks on it to facilitate that?
These were also used in Korea. My father's unit (a 155 unit supported by Turks) got over run one night and he was on the last quad firing aft. he had no hearing protection and suffered severe hearing loss.
And, if you don't know much about vehicles, there's heaps of old videos by the army that can show you how everything from the engine to the wheels work. It's remarkable how good they are for black and white films made with a few props, some simple stock footage and tear-downs.
If you think quad .50s is much dakka, allegedly, some battalions in Korea used the M19 in the anti-human wave role. If you don't know, the M19 has 2 bofors 40mm. Oof.
"Pop-guns" lul, lost it there.
The man did shoot a 120mm for a living.
'Pop guns' including the Bazooka, Panzershrek and PIAT, that would all, easily, kill that AFV.
99IronDuke anti armor weapons kill armor? Who knew...
@@blackbird8632 Uh.. I hope you mean the Gun Carriage and not the 120mm Abrams cause none of those AT guns would kill an Abrams AFAIK
@@JiggleWiggleBagel actually those could there are weak points in the abrams like the side of the turret and rear and engine deck and the drivers section
I hope this turns into an arms race. “Hi guys! Thanks for tuning in to another episode on forgottenweapons.com. I’m Ian McCollum, and I’m here today at Île Longue taking a look at the Marine Nationale’s M51 Mer-Sol-Balistique-Stratégique.”
"Insufficient dakka"
Is that a warhammer reference?
My god, is this Irish tanker a warhammer fan?
My Imperial Guard Armor Company has lain sadly unused for many years, but remains vigilant in the service of the Emperor against the Xeno scum and Chaos traitors.
@@TheChieftainsHatch
CADIA STANDS!
@@TheMaleRei Da boyz iz comin' for ye! *WAAAAGH!*
I first recall the expression in theBattle of Britain movie.
@@TheChieftainsHatch you are a truly son of the Imperium of Man
Quality of the audio is so much better, good investment.
I'm sorrry - I didn't quite get that.
Well.... there's no annoying ass shitty music. though I'm only about a minute in.
@@weekendjail1417 That music was awesome, the video feels cold without it
The editing in these is so much better when it's not Wargaming doing it
Yeah that music gets really old, as well as those stupid wot ads.
@Anne Isopod daaah daah dah pssh
Yup .and that terrible music
Germany: pretends that their whole army is mechanized with half tracks and trucks
The US: decides to mechanize their whole army with half tracks and trucks in order to keep up
Congratulations, you’ve played yourself.
When there are more tanks in a US Armored Division than in a German panzer division...
The German military was never mechanised as is written about them. Luck etc made them win the few major wars in Europe. The Germans were using horses to bull the gun carriages of the artillery. And many times the German advance was so far forward their was no artillery support for them. Horses and carts was the German army as seen during invasion of the western allies seen in 1944 film photographs and stills that are recorded in history. The Germans were far from ready for war.
@@ScottKenny1978 and more mechanically reliable.
@@bmcg5296 They did definitely get lucky, luckier than they should've been, though I think their early victories can also be blamed on the incompetence of French high command. That, and the diplomatic work between the Nazis and Commies early on. Of course it should be no surprise given their philosophy that the Nazis deluded themselves into thinking this meant they could take on the world.
More than 2 milions of horses were in constant service in german armed forces ..by whole war. They had always about W milions of horses in service..horses pulled artilery ..pulled carts with suplies etc.
Although the development of anti tank rifles and man portable anti tank weapons would be a really interesting topic for a crossover with Ian
Your right. That would be the best collaboration I've ever seen. Unlikely though. Both (i know Ian definitely is) probably are very busy men
Piece by piece disassembly of a tank as well...
@@CallanElliott "Lets move the camera in closer and I will show you how
this comes apart..." 8-]
if well planned it would be very good
Indeed! If Rock Island gets any 1920's tanks in, they should plan such a meeting...
20:54 joy is a severe understatement. At the tender age of 15 I had the privilege of controlling and firing an M45 quad mount. Only one gun was loaded, and with blanks at that, but the experience was truly awesome!
The Chieftain using the term "Dakka" has made my week.
WAAAAAAGH!!!!
He already made mine on April the first with an entire hour of Chieftain video.
@The_Chieftain also uses it in the IS-7 video series of Inside the Hatch
@@roelhodzelmans1004 "for the coaxials" [looks into camera] [pause] "plural"
When the dakka is just right- musical orc boi
Soon on forgotten weapons, Ian looks around mystified as a horn sounds
Doing some research for a paper some years ago I was surprised to find a few action reports that these Quad 50's were devastating during the "Battle of the bulge". One report noting that a German unit 200+ marched right up to one in parade formation thinking it was a captured US vehicle being used at the beginning of the offensive by some of Skorzeny's "special units", the US gunner seeing the opportunity after the officer leading the German unit waved at him and he in turn stood up and waved back and let the "parade" get close and then opened up on them with devastating results.
Another report these were used to repel a German recon in force searching for an allied fuel dump (the largest in battleground Europe at the time) stopping them less than 200-300 yrds from discovering the dump.
They didn’t pick up the nickname of “Krautmower” for nothing.
Story from some WW2 vets is that there's no appreciable difference between a building hit by a 105mm and one hit by a quad .50
It would go a long way to explaining out a relatively light unit stopped the German spearhead in battle of the bulge.
My favorite WWII vehicle. Because who couldn't love a half tracked vehicle with FOUR Ma Dueces?
Opposing forces?
Good point. But since I'm not on the op for... 😉
The red baron
My uncle 2nd Marine div ww2 was in Artillery 155 tow their antiaircraft consisted of a truck mounted quad .50 while a Japanese tank was trying to flank them. UNCLE said the gunner used 3 or four short burst to destroy the tank.
Robert Payne
There wasn't much to those light Japanese tanks, they basically had the same thickness of armor the half tracks did. A ma deuce with AP Ammo would could make quick work of them.
When he said 3 1/2 gallons to the mile (17:24), I was shocked for a moment. But when he said the range was around 200 miles, I realized he meant miles to the gallon.
An understandable mistake. He's a tanker, so he always thinks in terms of gallons to the mile. Thanks for figuring this out; I'll take your word for it, too lazy to do the math myself.
The new equipment has made a huge difference, particularly with the audio!
"I cannot show you The joy that would result" My lord truer words have never been said!
I learned about the M16 from two men I worked with. One crewed a M16 in Normandy. They would break into a field and spray the bocage with .50 cal fire. A good example of ground use. A LTC I worked for was a AAA officer in Korea. His platoon originally had four M16s and four 40MM dusters (M42s I think). The dusters were replaced with four more M16s and they provided supporting fire in a ground mode for the Second Infantry Division . They did have the opportunity to utilize plunging fire in some operations and fired over hills to engage enemy. An aside to the story was that in a platoon of eight M16s the oldest man was the platoon sergeant. He was 21. My boss, the platoon leader, was 20.
Good video to watch with a few minor points. Original switches on halftracks had a key in the switch which could be pulled to prevent theft. The push-button starter switch sat in a position right below the switch (Thus the hole above the after market switch in the video was actually installed in the original push-button position). Original fuel tanks had a rubber coating and were a self sealing fuel tank. Converted M16 tracks for Korea like the M16A2 were given an additional 12" ring to elevate the M45F Maxson turret, and the fold down armor was bolted up in the corners. In addition, a Packard slip ring like the ones used in the Sherman Tanks was installed under the turret to provide both communications to the gunner and provide the ability to charge the halftrack battery from the turret generator or the turret batteries from the halftrack generator. In addition a rear door was installed on the M16A2 to provide easier access to the gun compartment and two storage boxes were also added at the rear of the track on either side of the door similar to the 16A1 models. All original M16s came with a winch where the A1s could have a winch or ditching roller depending on the vehicles previous nomenclature. The additional armor added to the turret for Korean War is called Bat-Wing armor.
Not trying to be clever, just sharing some information that might be helpful to all interested parties.
My M16A2 is currently on display at the National Museum of the US Air Force (NMUSAF) in Dayton Ohio for an 18 month loan. It was recovered from East Africa in 2007 and is completely original to include its paint. Check it out if interested on my website AQProject.org
I've been following Ian for years and love what he does with "pop guns". But Nick is right, after being a tanker and shooting a 105 mm main gun any hand held firearm is a pop gun.
NASA uses Quad-50 mount turrets but with movie cameras on them to film launches. Just FYI.
I can just imagine the coast artillery sending a telegram to ordinance saying: “Yes, we would like twice as much DAKKA on our M13’s, please.”
In high school, the principal gave my US History class a presentation with pictures of his experience in Vietnam as a USMC artilleryman. He said they used a quad-.50 mount to extend their defensive perimeter by cutting down trees.
The disc brake on the driveshaft is still a very popular modification for trucks and jeeps today. Im surprised it was implemented in such an old vehicle
The first M3's that went to war didn't have the idler wheels spring loaded. Once in use in North Africa, the drivers discovered that the rough terrain would make the idler wheels snap off. Some mechanics figured out, made and installed the spring mounting by using available parts that the commanders bought from regional supply houses. They sent photographs and shop drawings of those to the Ordnance Department who in turn made and installed their own to test out. They were impressed so had those made and installed on all of the halftracks on the production lines and out in service at training camps and overseas.
"A little bit bigger" Gun Jesus did a video on an AT "rifle" if that's what you meant ;)
"Gun Jesus" FTW.
He also fires a 7.5cmPaK40. And a 2cm Karl Gustav . . . a weird idea, to be sure.
Those two should never do a video together. UA-cam would explode due to their combined awesomeness.
also a few different tank specific machine gun models in addition to the cannons others have listed.
@@WildBillCox13 We need a collaboration with Nicholas in a Tank and Gun Jesus on a PAK gun. One vs one! Who wins?
What i like about about Mr. chieftains work is that hes not just explaining about a vehicles history.. but hes showing all kind of stuffs to viewers too like knobs,dials, switches,gauges,what this thing or that do..how it works/functions etc..Infos like this makes his vids more interesting and fun to watch. I love it!!
Keep it up Mr.Chietain Nicholas Moran.
"What if this but more dakka?"
"How much more dakka?"
"Eh can we double it?"
"Super easy, barely an inconvenience."
_"Sadly, I cannot demonstrate the joy which would result."_
😊 👍👍
*EDIT:* Would you call that a _GUNGASM?_ 😉
Had the joy of actually being in the gunner's seat and firing a few rounds out of this back in 1978. The 9th Infantry still had quad 50s mounted on 5 ton trucks. It's a small seat. They left the armor plate off the front to give the gunner a little more leg room! Great video! Thanks for sharing!
I was surprised he didn't mention the Vietnam era gun trucks.
@@MrDgwphotos , Back in 1978, the 9th ID was a test bed of all sort of new equipment. I think they actually took some old 5 ton gun trucks out of moth balls as part of the trials. This is how I was fortunate enough have some brief fun with a gun truck. I was actually and ROTC cadet at the time. They asked a few questions about it I was one of the few cadets who knew what it was, so I got to take it for a spin and fire off a few rounds.
I could see a reason to bring it back for urban warfare.
How does one get in the gunners seat? Does the armour front open side ways, lift up, or something else?
I would have liked the Chieftain to have squeezed himself into the seat.
OneLeather Boot, the shield does hinge open but it was not even mounted on the one I sat in. The sighting bar swings out the way and you can easily sit down, depending on how large you are.
Actually a little harder to get of because of how snug the fit is!
@@KnifeChatswithTobias, okay, so it swings out sideways. I thought as much. Thanks for the added detail.
As a kid so many decades ago the Tamiya M16 MGC was one of the first plastic models I ever built, so I have a soft spot for it.
Fast forward a few decades and reading Vietnam era history books about the gun mount being used on trailers for base defence, as well as on the gun trucks you mentioned shows how effective the quad 50 mount was.
Everytime I see a technical in Libya, Syria, Iraq etc with a twin soviet ZSU AA on the back I think of the M16 MGC.
There was an Anti Aircraft battery equipped with Quad .50s at the battle of Dien Bien Phu. In his book on the Battle Martin Windrow writes that they were one of the most effective weapon systems in the Battle. Particularly because of the mounts in the Indirect fire role.
I could imagine this being the ultimate surpressive fire machine.
My buddies grandfather was in Korea and used a quad mounted .50. my buddy tells me the grandfather said that during the human wave attacks by the Chinese. It worked very well, he shot untill the barrels glowed from the heat.
The Soviets: "Hold my beer."
They came up with the 23mm ZSU-23. It's like a tank with a 4-barrelled turret. It was originally AAA, but adapted for ground use. Both sides are using it as an anti-personnel weapon in Syria in the most recent war. It's absolutely devastating.
The quad .50 was used on 2 1/2 ton trucks during the Vietnam war, as well, for convoy defense.
The problem with vacuum wipers (they used to be common in cars too) is that the engine produces the most vacuum when the throttle is CLOSED, because the pistons are trying to draw the air through the closed throttle valve. This means that the harder you are working the engine, the less vaccum you have. This usually means that harder you press the gas pedal, the less vacuum you have. The less vacuum you have, the slower the wipers go. So that's a problem. Probably not such a big deal in military vehicles which probably aren't bombing around at top speed anyway, and should have plenty of vacuum from the big engine trying to draw air through a little single barrel carb, no matter how far the throttle is open. In theory anyway. They do work though. and of course the simplest and safest solution is to not drive fast in the rain which is probably wise anyway.
During WWII my father-in-law worked for a US Government contractor in the Bremerton, WA area supplying equipment for the war effort. One of the last contracts they had in 1945 was taking M3 Half Track Tank Destroyers from North Africa and M16 half-Tracked Gun Carriages from Europe, and converting them back to Armored Personnel Carriers for the upcoming invasion of Japan. He said the vehicles were in very poor shape when they received them, but were like new when they finished with them. Of course the war ended before these APCs were needed.
Because of ... reasones. You have been hanging around with Jingles too much, lol:)
lol, I second the thought..
I once met a man who had served at the Pusan Perimeter. He talked about a battery of Puerto Rican National Guardsmen using these to 'mow the grass' in a valley that was a natural weak point in the UN line. Every morning around dawn, this one battery would line up facing into the valley and open up. Apparently it was a rare day when a follow-in patrol wouldn't find a mass of dead Chinese infantry who had been caught in the open by the gunners and thusly sawn into chunky salsa.
That round has 6,000 foot-pounds of force (~8100 Joules) at the muzzle, enough to rip through anything that isn't armored or pass through several soft targets before finally losing velocity. 450 rounds per minute per gun, 200 rounds per gun, four guns, means each mount can put out 800 rounds in 26 seconds before needing to be reloaded. It's some pretty grim math once you start running the numbers.
And if your angle of incidence isn't too high, *each* projectile may have multiple opportunities to be effective. EDIT: which is exactly what you said... sorry 'bout that.
My Father was assigned to a AAA battery in the ground support role in 1952-1953 Korea equipped with M-16 MGMC's
"Ian comes earlier and looks at these pop guns and I've never met the man"
Well, FIX THAT!
I love the very 90's/2000's Lowish-Budget style introduction, feel so nice
Portuguese troops mounted the same quad 50. call in Berliet Tramagal trucks during the Colonial War (1961-74). The engeniously conversion aimed to improve firepower during convoy escorts in the dangerous roads of Mozambique, Angola and Guinea and they proved to do so by just intimidating the guerrilla fighters preventing them to atack in first place. The Americans would do the same in Vietnam but adding more armor to ther trucks creating the infamous gun trucks
And there's rumors about the US fielding quad .50s in Iraq.
I drove deuce and a halves and 5 tons in the Army in the 80s. Still had those vacuum wipers. Okay for rain but in any kind of heavy snow they were worthless.
Thor's Lawnmower! (Thank you, Col. Cooper)
Surplus half tracks were used in the 1950's for a variety of purposes. Logging trucks, cranes, US Forest Service fire trucks, etc. I rode in one about 1955 that was owned by a rancher in the South Dakota badlands. He had removed all the armor and converted it to a flat bed. It worked great on steep packed dirt slopes. The big problem with vacuum windshield wipers is that the vacuum mostly disappears under heavy load like climbing hills and the wiper action slows to a crawl or stops altogether. Bad news in a snow storm. A quad 50 mount appears in the early part of Saving Private Ryan. Probably just a movie error but I wonder if the Germans did in fact make use of any captured quad 50s.
RIA claims another prisoner... along with Ian
The real life Hotel California of fun stuff
When I first started watching Forgotten Weapons I thought Ian was a RIA employee, since the first five or six videos I watched were all from there.
Re: vacuum systems and leaks
Vacuum systems are WONDERFUL for improvised repair because if they do leak, they will draw a sealing compound in from the OUTSIDE, and they aren't making a mess while they're doing it.
You can literally fix a cracked vacuum hose with chewing gum if you need to.
You mean the same gum that came in everyone's daily rations? You can't be serious! ;-)
The air operated wipers were a PAIN in the you know what..Can't tell you HOW many of those I replaced in my 18 years on military vehicles..They worked fine ..until it rained..or snowed...lol
The 200 round ammunition boxes are referred to as " tombstones " 'cause when standing them on their ends, they look just like such !
This person is a good person detailing good stuff that did good things against non-good guys doing non-good things goodly
Anyone else start scanning the screen on the clip about ian? Just his head smiling behind one of the racks or somthing?
I hear that if you stand in the middle of RIAH's stock room and speak the name "Ian McCollum" three times...
...someone will politely inform you "he's not here today."
Joe I thought he was gonna come from behind Chieftain. But when he mentioned RIA I thought has he ever seen Ian?
There was a guy on you tube set up and fired a quad .50 from an M16. They had to reverse the feed on two of the guns they wanted to use first before setting them on the mounts.
The guns chopped through a breeze ( cinder) block wall easily on a range
Really impressive piece if kit and one got a cameo in Band of Brothers.
>luftwaffe newsreels. luftwaffe says it can "totally" destroy forces at dunkirk
>carrier-based attack on pearl harbor
...
>USA builds all the anti-air
>builds all the fighter planes
>Germany regrets drilling into everyone the idea that they own the skies
Ahh vacuum power. A lot of American vehicles used vacuum for all sorts of stuff, had them for hidden headlights in cars like the Lincoln Continental, they also had vacuum actuated windows and door locks and even seats. We used to own a 1984 Buick LeSaber and the seat would automatically move forward and the stearing wheel would rise with the gauges when the engine was turned on all under vacuum.
Anyway, with an engine vacuum is basically "free energy" kinda like heat from the engine, and a vacuum system is fairly simple to design even if it did get crazy with some cars, especially in the 80s. Even today most brakes in your cars are boosted by engine vacuum. It's just back then motors where expensive and all the switching and electronic stuff was more expensive than pneumatic valves. In some industries like the oil or chemical industry where fire is a risk, there are entire basically simple logic computers that are pneumatic.
I would be tempted to take a half track for a joy ride. So the after market ingnition key is a good idea.
“The joy that would result”!!! My dad had one of these in the Army. He said they were incredible, and also effective at clearing trees. Trees!
I don't know, I think a quad .50 would work really well against cavalry
The problem is by the mid-40's when this thing was around, the cavalry used tanks too.
Quad .50 mount is effective against everything wahahaha
theres something about the way those half tracks drive thats just so cool or satisfying to at and you looked like a absolute unit driving it lol
I love a man who enjoys machine guns,how could any man be such a ponce that he does not like big,loud destructive devices.
The Brits poke fun at American Armor/Bombers because we have a tendency to stick so many machine guns in our machines they look like porcupines. Americans like Dakadaka even if it's a bit excessive.
@@Wallyworld30 does excessive mean anything to any american ? Im sure the rest of the world is sure the answer is no ^^
@@kint87 Excessive? What's that? A new type of gun that fires a bigger bullet and a fuckton more of said bullet?
Two Chieftain videos in one week.
Best week ever!
Knowing what I’ve seen from tire chains I bet those were a beast to keep on. Speed must have been at a crawl when using those or they would come off given the use on a track.
I haven't gone there in a long time, but in the mid-80s, we used to drive up to Oshkosh, WI for enormous yearly fly-in and air show. They put on a WW2 simulation with fighters and bombers flying low, firing guns and dropping bombs - both fakes, of course, but the guns were real. They had two half-tracks with operational quad-.50s firing blanks in anti-aircraft mode. Maybe the best anti-aircraft mount of the war - not forgetting the Bofors, of course - and I would pay good money to be able to fire a few thousand blanks out of one.
Keep your eye out for Gun Jesus, he roams those halls.
Having grown up with several IHC tractors from the WW2 era (that are still running) I can imagine IHC overbuilt the M17 also. (Everything except the tires is steel lol.) At this time IHC manufactured their own steel, bearings, engines, etc. with really good, functional engineering for robust, uber-reliable products.
I guess Bendix learned a lesson or two as well, since they went on to design the twin .50 chin mount for the B-17G (and the YB-40).
Love the M16. Awww I would adore the model with the Quad 20mm canons and 2x .50 cals! Ruin everyones days!
Amazingly good sound and high res video. Best of all, great commentary.
I am so glad you provide us with these wonderful videos. Military vehicles are endlessly interesting and there is so much to see and learn it's even kind of overwhelming!
Watched an interesting period video where they demonstrated a track replacement / refitting procedure that halved the official time for task. Involved:
backing the adjuster right off,
IIRC unbolting one end of the adjuster mount to let it swing down,
removing the outer half only of the drive and idler wheels,
jacking the vehicle up until you can pop the track over the drive teeth and under the road wheels then remove sideways,
reverse procedure for installation.
Thanks for another informative and personable video.
Kelly Knott I watched that old film. It is BS. I tried it. It takes that long just for two guys to drag the track into the right place. It is a HEAVY finger pinching dead octopus to move around
I heard a rumor that the owner of the local firing range had an operational quad-50 but could never confirm it. He had damn near everything else so it wouldn't surprise me.
They had two of these at Dien Bien Phu, very effective.
i read somewhere they had four.
One of my favorite vehicles in Warthunder.
love your videos i am a former military police officer and am fascinated by armour . love your commentary when you explain the vehicles . a fellow vet . I am Canadian just to let you know lol
Thank you for covering this. I knew a veteran who served in one during WW2.
Sadly, no quad 20mm with 2 M2
.50. Indeed.
Lovely, american halftracks are my favorit military vehicle, thanks for uploading !!!
You, Jingles, Ian and Karl from InRange, The History Guy, and Bismarck making a collaboration would be awesome.
Thanks for the awesome videos
Based on my in depth research, to put one of these together, minimum $200,000 US. About half of that goes into 4 transferable M2 HMGs, and the rest into the M16 MGMC. I think the realistic minimum budget would be $400,000. That would allow for a minimal inventory of spare parts, and some ammunition.
That rack of leverguns got me a little excited.
The Poor Man's Wirbelwind.
And the most Bang for your buck in the smallest package. Four em deuce, no waiting!
Interesting that the Italians converted an M14/41 into an SPAA using four 13.2mm heavy MGs. In both cases, there was little room for the obligatory canoneers (who spent a lot of their time reloading the MGs). That was also the problem with the otherwise seriously cool mounting of the Maxson on an M3 chassis. Which I want.
The last time I saw that many guns on screen was the matrix
Would also love to see the m15 half-track, if you can find one.
The M45 is awesome! However, I would recommend piped-in "Aquatarkus" by Emerson Lake and Palmer for the guy behind the trigger. Or, perhaps "Ride of the Valkyries" if it was back in 1944.
8.25”x20 tires on combat rims, not 7x20 on split rims. Very nice video.
Hmm. Fair one.
So this isn't the rim that will kill you then? Important to know when your bidding on this beauty!
It may well still do so. If memory serves, combat rims still come in three pieces, the two main halves, and a bead locking rim which sortof overlays the two of them and is supposed to keep the tyre in place if it goes flat. I don't believe it's any safer to open incorrectly.
@@Wallyworld30 A Combat Rim, when deflated for tyre replacement comes apart by removing nuts from threaded studs. The Rim comes apart into three pieces, allowing easy installation of a new flap, tube, and tyre. Bolt the rim back together, inflate, done. No explosive dangers involved.
I have an original M16A2 number 315 of the 413 converted for use in Korea... Yes they do exist, and I concur regards the combat rim, it is not a split rim like that found on the Dodge M37 and other military vehicles from the 40s and 50s. Actually the tube and tire can be replaced on a combat rim with the wheel still on the vehicle. Regards changing track, a 1942 training film shows two soldiers replacing a thrown track in 9 minutes. I removed my drivers side track in 35 minutes by myself using the training film as my template. Going to shoot a video of both removal and installation of the passenger side track within the week for u-tube.
My father had a lot to do with the White ones in Australia as they got those under lend-lease and not the IH one.
The passenger door side seat was normally not fitted in the gun motor carriage units to allow crew access to the rear of the vehicle as it has no rear door, they only had the drivers seat and the middle seat.
Dad had full sets of manuals for them but when he passed away in 1974, the solicitors cleared it all out.
We had one on our country property and I can remember having to work on the vacuum windscreen wipers when they clagged up. Some models had copper tubing feeding the vacuum instead of the rubber hoses Which perished in the tropics.
My dad was a drill sergeant in the Anti Aircraft Artillery Intelligence Service (AAAIS) at Ft. Bliss, TX during the Korean War. He instructed trainees in the use of halftracks with quad 50’s for AAA (now ADA) use. Early in the war, US troops in Korea were caught while they had all 4 50’s broken down for cleaning. After that disaster troops were ordered to only clean up to two at a time.
Dude this is great. I think these are better than the ones Wargaming edits. Well done.
Wheelie in a halftrack? I must see the video.
Surprised to hear that thing only had a 6 cylinder. A lot of weight on that. I figured it was at least 8 cylinders. Thanks for sharing.
But 386 cubic inches. That's a big engine.
I was present at a demo of two .50 of the quad firing and it was like the roar of the God of War !
somehow i think burt gummer would be wetting himself right about now, quad 50's for when dual 50's aint enough to counter a shrieker mega herd with some ass blasters thrown in
SO nice to watch Nick talk about a video without the obnoxious, constantly looping rock soundtrack!
Umm... That's good for Ian, but this isn't the Forgotten Weapons channel...
@@TheChieftainsHatch Hahahah, got Ian on my mind! Comment edited for content!
Every time I hear the story pf popping the wheelie, I laugh.
Sorry.
Something that big?
Though, on their use in Korea, four .50 cal's going off, at once, yeah..... not to be argued with.
Grunts do like using AA vehicles for ground attacks. During Vietnam the Army used M43 Dusters, which were meant to SPAA, as sort of improvised AFVs. The twin 40mm guns, as it turned out worked just as well for taking out enemy troops as it did planes.
@@Riceball01 anything that is intended as a spaag generally has the characteristics to be an improvised infantry support vehicle.
I was loaned to our battalion's transportation platoon when it was short of drivers. Word was ( and you could never, ever trust army tales ) there used to be a deuce and a half tanker truck in the POL section. Said truck's frame was broken when drivers would empty the front mogas tanks first and then with just the back tank full pop wheelies with it. After that, all we were only allowed were 5 ton cargo trucks with 2 800 gallon tanks mounted to the bed.
I'd hate to be on the receiving end of that thing. Granted, I wouldn't be on the receiving end of it for very long....
The story from some WW2 vets is that there's not much difference on a building hit by a 105mm and a quad .50.
I never knew until I was an adult that the tracks on a Half Track were made out of rubber.
Just like the tracks on the Scale Model M-16 Half Track I made as a boy.
Plus I believe 16 1/8 th aircraft cables , 8 on either side of the track guides connected to metal cross bars they are the bulges in the side of the tracks . Also there is no repair of a broken track , yes it's possible to weld a couple chain links from cross bar to cross bar as a temp. collectors repair
I have heard, verbally from folks who were there, that the Quad 50's were also used for indirect, area fire in Korea. Basically, sit behind the hill with your platoon/squad of M16's, work out the pesky details like azimuth and elevation, then open up with X number of 1/2" Artillery so as to saturate an area where the enemy is suspected of assembling one of those human wave attacks, or where they think their mortars, etc. are safe. Was told that where the target was actually there, thousands of 1/2" rounds suddenly falling from way up in the sky proved devastating.
I have not run across any documentation on this use, however, given the range and available firepower, it certainly seems to be plausible.
This is also one of my favorite AFV's and I really enjoyed your review. Very thorough indeed. Thanks.
Sure, just like an M2 with a T&E can be used for indirect "beaten zone" fire. Not nearly as impressive as the "death ray" of 4x .50 cal. up close, but I guess a lot of very large bullets suddenly falling out of the sky around you would have an impression all their own.
I wonder if the M45 has the az and el stadia marks on it to facilitate that?
@@jamestheotherone742 I have no idea if those marks are incorporated, but Arty types have hand held tools that would make it work.
I would really like if someone did Chieftain's hatch style videos on military aircraft. Probably not enough incentive, though 😔
Check out: ua-cam.com/users/Aircrewinterview
Not an exact equivalent, but a fantastic channel with fascinating content.
@@GjVj Thanks for the recommendation! Surprised I've never heard of that channel before
@@TheRockstarFreak9 Most welcome! Only recently stumbled across the channel myself, but absolutely hooked. :)
I fear there isnt a video on you doing the wheelie, is there? That must have been quite the sight!
Sadly, no
Any idea when you'll do a Sd.Kfz. 251? I'd love to see you show one of those off.
They also put the M45 quad 50's on Fletcher class destroyers to try to counter the Kamekazes that the 20s missed
I thank your shirt for its sacrifice to the good cause ;)
Those things look ridiculously awesome
These were also used in Korea. My father's unit (a 155 unit supported by Turks) got over run one night and he was on the last quad firing aft. he had no hearing protection and suffered severe hearing loss.
Osan Airbase In Korea had that quad 50 caliber mounted on a big truck. Circa 1993/94. Courtesy of the Korean Air Force
And, if you don't know much about vehicles, there's heaps of old videos by the army that can show you how everything from the engine to the wheels work.
It's remarkable how good they are for black and white films made with a few props, some simple stock footage and tear-downs.
If you think quad .50s is much dakka, allegedly, some battalions in Korea used the M19 in the anti-human wave role.
If you don't know, the M19 has 2 bofors 40mm.
Oof.
That's a lot a' damage
@@mastathrash5609 How 'bout a little more?
Vacuum windshield wipers have the advantage of being variable speed - fast when you are going uphill and slow when you are going down.
peddler931 these also get vacuum from a special mechanical fuel pump. I hooked mine up a few months ago