Which defenders were remotely similar to Matisse Thybulle? | Enhanced podcast

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  • @hengloke
    @hengloke 2 роки тому +92

    It's really hard to find a comparison to Thybulle because his strength is what almost everything we're taught how not to play defense, and most of the things we're taught on defense are traits great defenders are good at. Like stay in front of your man, defend with your feet, don't reach, only gamble on certain plays etc.
    I think this really goes to show how great Thybulle's instincts are. Like a good offensive player would know how to manipulate the defensive while Thybulle somehow baits the offense. To some extent he's like a Lebron or John Wall on those chase down blocks but in the much slower half court setting.

    • @jxcquizzz
      @jxcquizzz 2 роки тому +2

      He always seems to be not just 1 step ahead of the offense, but 3 steps ahead. He seems to know exactly what the offense is gonna do. He gambles a lot, but it seems to work on most guards. I just hope people don't catch on to what he does.

  • @surprisecat7401
    @surprisecat7401 2 роки тому +337

    Listened to this podcast when it came out. I was surprised they didn't mention Tayshaun Prince. An amazing perimeter defender and there some glaring similiraties between him and Thybulle in regards of how they play defense.

    • @miguelhernandez1407
      @miguelhernandez1407 2 роки тому +24

      Ooooh I like that. That's a good comp.

    • @gremcilia_immermurin
      @gremcilia_immermurin 2 роки тому +16

      I see more peak Danny Green when it comes to shot blocking timing.

    • @brunocaboclosucksass68
      @brunocaboclosucksass68 2 роки тому +5

      Ah yes the block on Reggie!

    • @tysparks598
      @tysparks598 2 роки тому +8

      I started watching Prince while he was at Kentucky & became a bit of a Detroit fan when he went there... he was an amazing defender, that's a great comparison.

    • @michaelahurt
      @michaelahurt 2 роки тому +50

      How so?
      Im from Detroit and watched Tayshaun play hundreds of games. I'd say he's literally the exact opposite of Thybulle. Prince was a disciplined defender who used his length to stay between man and basket, had relatively slow hands, and he rarely gambled. Matisse isn't any of those things.

  • @harryo82
    @harryo82 2 роки тому +96

    I have a lot of trouble with comps these days players now are so physically and stylistically unique I usually have to mix past players to think of a comp.

    • @HighlightReelFactory
      @HighlightReelFactory 2 роки тому

      That's what I do too

    • @swimfan752
      @swimfan752 2 роки тому +1

      That’s true regardless of any generation. It’s hard to find a perfect 1:1 comparison because everyone is unique.

    • @harryo82
      @harryo82 2 роки тому +3

      @@swimfan752 Perfect 1:1 is rare but for most of BBall history positions had archetypes.

    • @t4d0W
      @t4d0W 2 роки тому

      @@harryo82 true. Archetypes became more apparent when you see similar results with a consistent body type. That is why 'Pippen' became the mold for the ideal two way wing defender that teams were on the look out for prior to his retirement.

  • @cwilson9341
    @cwilson9341 2 роки тому +12

    I'd love a video on Andrei Kirilenko, IMO he was a historically unique player, almost the original Draymond Green

  • @gremcilia_immermurin
    @gremcilia_immermurin 2 роки тому +56

    AK47, Shawn Marion, Danny Green and Josh Smith are what comes to mind for me. Just guys who are effective in the perimeter and post and excellent shot blockers for their size.

    • @samuelmorse784
      @samuelmorse784 2 роки тому +2

      Danny Greens block on Klay in Finals was vicious but effective.

    • @michaelhaydenbell
      @michaelhaydenbell 2 роки тому +2

      @@samuelmorse784 I hate when players make ineffective vicious blocks.

    • @papabear9092
      @papabear9092 2 роки тому +1

      Josh smith ?

    • @draspen
      @draspen 2 роки тому +4

      I'm not sure about Josh Smith.
      Josh Smith was never been an elite perimeter defender which is Thybulle's strength. Smith was a versatile defender but his strength was his rim protection.

    • @alexb2417
      @alexb2417 2 роки тому

      Josh smith man nah just nah. Other commentors got it right- josh smith was a rim protector but no lock down defender.

  • @IsaIbnHalim
    @IsaIbnHalim 2 роки тому +38

    The work you guys are doing is remarkable, incredible, really amazing. I’m serious. My biggest problem with Basketball (a game I never played at the high school level/Opposed to football which I did play) is a lack of media coverage of the sport. Football has an entire industry dedicated to covering and Analyzing the game, FS1, ESPN all focus on Football. If not for Lebron James the NBA would be devoid of storylines. What you guys do is make it all about the game and it’s fascinating. Your the PFF of the NBA with better storytelling and personalities. You take numbers and data and film and craft a seamless narrative, taking the layperson and over the course of 20-30 videos turning them into an expert basically and that makes the games more compelling to watch and less determinant on the compelling nature of the narrative surrounding individual players. Since your Darius Garland video I never miss a cavs Game highlights (especially given there position in the standings). I find myself watching OKC game highlights fascinated by there unique players and youth and height. Keep it up.

    • @ThinkingBasketball
      @ThinkingBasketball  2 роки тому +11

      Really appreciate that. Thanks so much.

    • @WhelmedButReady
      @WhelmedButReady 2 роки тому +1

      I almost fully agree with you on this. Except one key point. They(as in ESPN) only ACT like LeBron is the only storyline. But he's not. There's great analysis and stories around the league each and every year that are only slightly or just plain never covered cuz they fixate on LeBron so much. This channel and others like it show the league for what it is, and that's a full league with 30 teams worth of intrigue and possibility. Not just centered on 4 or 5 guys.
      It's so frustrating to talk about the meandering Lakers each day of the week for every game of the season when you could be discussing how the Bulls revitalized their franchise in just one off-season, the steady greatness of Phoenix, Memphis' ascension with young core they have, Cleveland's surprise brilliance, how bout what Charlotte's doin, or what they've got brewing in OKC that could be great in a few years time? There are plenty of stories in the league, and it's only the NBA that chooses clear favorites to talk about. And they wonder why people hate LeBron so much.

    • @emmanuela7528
      @emmanuela7528 2 роки тому +6

      As someone who started following the NBA and the NFL while I still lived in Nigeria, I can not one stark difference: in the NFL, they cover the game; in the NBA, they cover the stars. They may not know it, but this really hurts the NBA. Watch an NFL game and the commentators are telling you what is happening on the field. NBA guys are selling drama, like the game itself is not enough. They think people don’t want to know this, but the success of podcasts like Thinking Basketball, Dunc’d On, or recently, The Dunker’s Spot shows that people really want to know the X’s and O’s.

    • @t4d0W
      @t4d0W 2 роки тому

      Analytics has been around NBA for awhile. But there definitely isn't a lot of centralized media that knows how to use those numbers to tell the proper context and draw the right story for it. Too often folks who draw on advanced stats for NBA just use it as argument fodder to shove down a reinforced narrative rather than trying to explain why a player fits a mold but can potentially break it which could be historical. Or how a players' skillset makes them a box score all-star but in reality they are built better for team play.

  • @armin38822
    @armin38822 2 роки тому +27

    I was shocked when I realized Tybulle is 6'5. I was sure dude was 6'7 or even 6'8. The first time I saw him playing defense,I realized right away he's special. Is a shame that Philly has a sitaution with Simmons becasue Simmons+Thybulle+Embid is a very dynamic defensive trio. I'm Slovenian so I watch every Mavs game and I have to say that Simmons gives Luka the most trouble. And even though Simmons is bigger and probably more atlethic,I still think Thybulle is even better. He has some of the greatest defensive instintics of all times. Literarly one of the best permiter defenders of all time. Top 5 easly.

  • @GubLinMan
    @GubLinMan 2 роки тому +4

    AK-47 very underrated. I love me those glue guys

  • @HoopScholar
    @HoopScholar 2 роки тому +9

    I’m a simple man, I see video from thinking basketball, I click.

  • @rogerclemens
    @rogerclemens 2 роки тому +4

    I think what makes Thybulle markedly different from others mentioned here like Tayshaun Prince and Danny Green is that when you look at Thybulle, you see chaos vs the disciplined face up D of the others, but just as effective if not more disruptive to the opposing offense. Maybe to stretch out the area of comparison a bit, Deion Sanders comes to mind -- speed, quickness, instinct, freelancing and roaming mixed with excellent positioning, and the general chaos they both cause.

  • @NOYOUSHUTUP3.14
    @NOYOUSHUTUP3.14 2 роки тому +20

    Michael Cooper. Thinner, but longer and a stronger point of attack player but could recover on anybody and had long stretches against everyone from Dr. J to KJ and had some of the best individual defense on Bird I've seen. Cooper had more utility on offense mostly as a distributor and slasher.

    • @lenliu749
      @lenliu749 2 роки тому +4

      Yeah he's one of the original 3 and Ds.

    • @ThinkingBasketball
      @ThinkingBasketball  2 роки тому +11

      The interesting part of this to me: Both players felt much taller than they were. (Both 6-5)

    • @nmarbletoe8210
      @nmarbletoe8210 2 роки тому +2

      yes, Cooper! DPOY 1987

    • @NOYOUSHUTUP3.14
      @NOYOUSHUTUP3.14 2 роки тому

      @@ThinkingBasketball Vid on Evan Mobley?

  • @jeverettrulz
    @jeverettrulz 2 роки тому +11

    thank you so much for referencing Kirilenko!! guy is pretty much forgotten now and really never got credit for how disruptive his defense was and how ahead of his time his game was. Only player to lead his position in a per game statistical catagory with a minimum of 400 games, in AK's case BPG, and not be in the hall of fame.

    • @deanfirnatine7814
      @deanfirnatine7814 2 роки тому +3

      Kirilenko was awesome, filled up every stat, played like his life was on the line, loved watching him play and I am not even a Utah fan, a lot of the early Eastern European players got slighted in media attention, awards and even ref calls, lingering political animosity I guess.

    • @christunnock2719
      @christunnock2719 2 роки тому

      @@deanfirnatine7814 Sarunas marciulionis fave player

  • @70sfan
    @70sfan 2 роки тому +38

    How about Jerry West? I've been working on West defensive video and in some ways he was very similar to Thybulle in terms of surprising opponents from behind and creating chaos on defensive end

    • @nanox4
      @nanox4 2 роки тому +2

      Really? Have you got some videos to share?

    • @70sfan
      @70sfan 2 роки тому +5

      @@nanox4 It's not ready yet, I still keep collecting more material. It should be ready within next 2-3 months though.

    • @jameslearing970
      @jameslearing970 2 роки тому +4

      @@70sfan Yo, you got a new sub. Looking forward to the vid!

    • @70sfan
      @70sfan 2 роки тому

      @@jameslearing970 Thanks!

    • @lenliu749
      @lenliu749 2 роки тому

      Good call. 7 foot wingspan, very disruptive, good shot blocker for guard, blew up fast breaks.

  • @spurs_7798
    @spurs_7798 2 роки тому +12

    shit I forgot AK 47 averaged over 3 blocks per game at his peak
    Dude ruined the playoff runs of the Yao/T-Mac Rockets smh

    • @draspen
      @draspen 2 роки тому +3

      He averaged 2.8, 3.3 and 3.2 in three consecutive seasons. Dude was a defensive menace.

    • @bryant475
      @bryant475 2 роки тому +3

      @@draspen The only SF ever to average over 3 BPG (which he did twice), and lead the league in blocks. Also, the shortest player apart from Ben Wallace (6'9 or shorter) to do this. Also, the only player ever to finish a season top 4 in Steals AND Blocks, and had 3 5x5 games in his career, only Hakeem had more (6). Yeah, he was a beast!

  • @Vallnerik
    @Vallnerik 2 роки тому +16

    Yes yes yes yes. Just as I wanted, more weirdos, outliers, oddities, and eccentricities.

  • @antoniorojas2849
    @antoniorojas2849 2 роки тому +10

    Kirilenko in todays game 🔥

  • @nierlluc4705
    @nierlluc4705 2 роки тому +17

    I'm going with Nate McMillan here. I remember him being frenetic and very eager to chase blocks even from behind. He could guard 1-3 very well.
    Edit: I must add that Latrell Sprewell is another good comparison. Insanely gritty and frenetic and one of the most underrated man defender back then. He hounded Kobe all over the floor in his series with the T'wolves against the Lakers.

    • @cd6xc
      @cd6xc 2 роки тому +1

      Nate was pure chaos. Him and GP as an 1-2 punch at PG must have been such a dread to play against.

  • @alden_bless
    @alden_bless 2 роки тому

    Been enjoying Cody's analysis more and more. these podcast clip videos are great.

  • @bman54950
    @bman54950 2 роки тому +3

    Tony Allen too. All types of chaos

  • @prometheus3498
    @prometheus3498 2 роки тому +8

    Hey Cody, is it possible for you to discuss Isaiah Hartenstein? Given that he leads the Clippers in offensive/defensive rating, PER, WS/48, BPM, EPM, TPA, RAPTOR and LEBRON . . . I'd love to see an analysis of his play from you. He really does seem like the super role player that would massively benefit from more minutes.

    • @nanox4
      @nanox4 2 роки тому +2

      Never understood why so many teams let him go. He plays with amazing energy as an off the bench big.

    • @S7evin13
      @S7evin13 2 роки тому +3

      But this energy is often accompanied by foul trouble. Nonetheless, I agree. IH is one of the better BU bigs and definitely deserves more minutes and a decent payday.

    • @csanadhorvath
      @csanadhorvath 2 роки тому

      huh weird. I've watched him play quite a lot this year, and based off of the eye test, he wasn't that special. Not saying he is bad by any means, but leading in all those stats seems odd. Is it skewed due to him not playing too many minutes?

    • @prometheus3498
      @prometheus3498 2 роки тому

      @@csanadhorvath Nah, he's played 500+ minutes so its a significant sample size. His main problem is his consistent fouling.

  • @joeljrvanier4457
    @joeljrvanier4457 2 роки тому +3

    Thanks Ben!

  • @WookieChewie13
    @WookieChewie13 2 роки тому +5

    What about Dwade prime with his roaming defense? Just curious i know he wasnt as consistent

  • @lawbinson
    @lawbinson 2 роки тому +2

    AK47 was my favorite player to watch back then.

    • @bryant475
      @bryant475 2 роки тому +1

      Same, he was my fav player!

  • @YouTubeCensors
    @YouTubeCensors 2 роки тому

    Its been a pleasure to be a fan of a team with one of the most unique offensive talents in AI and now the most unique defensive player I've ever seen in Matisse.

  • @lenliu749
    @lenliu749 2 роки тому +1

    Not an exact comp but Dr. J and Bobby Jones comes to mind.

  • @svj5089
    @svj5089 2 роки тому +7

    I think andre roberson has some similarities too

    • @T.H.E.O.R.Y.
      @T.H.E.O.R.Y. 2 роки тому

      That's who I was thinking, too.

    • @lenliu749
      @lenliu749 2 роки тому +1

      Better rebounder and finisher than Thybulle as well. Too bad he got hurt.

  • @devi_-
    @devi_- 2 роки тому

    just want to say I love the nerding out about thybulle he is fascinating and great to watch

  • @dez_chi_boi
    @dez_chi_boi 2 роки тому +2

    Shane Battier and Tayshaun Prince were great perimeter defenders that get slept on

  • @bigwoke686
    @bigwoke686 2 роки тому +5

    Gerald Wallace? Anybody remember him besides me?

    • @T.H.E.O.R.Y.
      @T.H.E.O.R.Y. 2 роки тому

      Yet another forgotten name. I remember that he was the player comp for Kawhi Leonard on nbadraft back in 2011.

    • @chrismathgenius
      @chrismathgenius 2 роки тому +1

      He averaged 2 steals and 2 blocks per game in 2006.

    • @bryant475
      @bryant475 2 роки тому

      Yeah, had him on my fantasy team a lot back then, usually picked him after AK47

  • @The1stFishBone
    @The1stFishBone 2 роки тому +2

    I don’t think it’s right to compare a guy who I don’t think is close to the best defender currently, to freakin’ AK-47!

  • @DespicableBunny
    @DespicableBunny 2 роки тому +1

    Based on Thinking Basketball's analysis of Jordan gambling on defense, I thought of comparing Thybulle to him too, defensively.

  • @BrockMak
    @BrockMak 2 роки тому

    I was thinking Jordan as well, when someone made a comment about Iverson tried to do what they do (did) on defense and failing because he's too short, both in terms of height and comparitive wingspan.

  • @guy1nguy2
    @guy1nguy2 2 роки тому +3

    I'm on that level defensively, defending UA-cam from me

  • @back2back379
    @back2back379 2 роки тому

    I agree that the MJ comparison is probably the best, as weird as that may seem to compare Thybulle to MJ. I also think Larry Bird may have become a similar type of defender had he had those kinds of athletic attributes.

  • @chrissullivan6572
    @chrissullivan6572 2 роки тому

    AK-47 name drop made me smile so hard.

  • @cd6xc
    @cd6xc 2 роки тому +3

    How about Tony Allen? Allen hunted for steals the way Tybulle likes to hunt for blocks, going rouge.

    • @0608jeff
      @0608jeff 2 роки тому +1

      I'd say TA is more of a "stay in front" defender tho his length and "come from behind" timing and quickness was a bit less than Thybulle's

    • @cd6xc
      @cd6xc 2 роки тому +1

      @@0608jeff Yeah, on ball he was of the "stay in front" type, he had unique strength, screening him was a hard job (I think he defended KD so well because of this, just bothered the shit out of him). But off ball he remembers me a lot of Thybulle, just willing to gamble a lot, chasing steals and deflections (he also had Marc protecting the middle to cover for his misses).

  • @unregisteredhypercam2268
    @unregisteredhypercam2268 2 роки тому +2

    Need a whole analysis on AK47

    • @bryant475
      @bryant475 2 роки тому +1

      Agreed, in the meantime here's a good one, analysis and footage- ua-cam.com/video/eak73CVfQHk/v-deo.html
      Here's footage from the 03-04 season where he had 27pts, 6blk, 3stl. You can find other similar footage from his other ridiculous stat line games!
      ua-cam.com/video/6-3-KYgsan0/v-deo.html
      This was the season that they were projected to be the worst team in the league, and bc of AK47, ended up 42-40, just barely missing the playoffs!

    • @NothingElseMattersJM
      @NothingElseMattersJM 2 роки тому +1

      @@bryant475 I didn’t even know he was a great defender until I got him on my roster in myLeague in NBA2k22 and saw that he was blocking every shot and clamping on ball w. I then check some of his footage and stats and was impressed

    • @bryant475
      @bryant475 2 роки тому

      @@NothingElseMattersJM Nice, yeah you'll definitely like those videos I posted then. I grew up watching him as a kid when I started getting into the NBA, playing fantasy (he was always a top pick bc he contributed in every category), playing NBA video games, and in real life. He was fun to watch! Super athletic + hustle + good awareness/timing. Also, when he came into the league, European players had that stereotype of being mediocre athletes/not very good defenders, but good shooters. He destroyed that stereotype, surprised the entire NBA!

  • @jxcquizzz
    @jxcquizzz 2 роки тому

    His defense is how I used to play. We'd always have to run a 1-3-1 when I was in the court cause I just wanted to run.

  • @jettshilling1472
    @jettshilling1472 2 роки тому +1

    Can u talk about jermani grant? And his development

  • @mofocardinal
    @mofocardinal 2 роки тому

    If you're looking for a comp whose defense was based on raw effort and violence in blocking dudes from behind or straight up, taking charges, and stabbing passing lanes for steals, I submit Bobcats era Gerald Wallace as a close one.

  • @kane6336
    @kane6336 2 роки тому +2

    Is Bo Outlaw a good comparison?

    • @erasmus8767
      @erasmus8767 2 роки тому +1

      Nah deion sanders is better

  • @DubCmusicTV
    @DubCmusicTV 2 роки тому +1

    Marion can defend 1-5 and actually did. Don't be fool thinking LeBron.

  • @deanfirnatine7814
    @deanfirnatine7814 2 роки тому +1

    Michael cooper?

  • @rat2244
    @rat2244 2 роки тому

    Can you talk about what lebron is doing in year 19?? Feel like that would be an obvious topic to do

  • @fhjunior6183
    @fhjunior6183 2 роки тому

    Thanks for the vid

  • @eymd3067
    @eymd3067 2 роки тому +3

    TISSSEEEE!!!

  • @dusk6159
    @dusk6159 2 роки тому

    Gem of a topic

  • @BenjaminStudebaker
    @BenjaminStudebaker 2 роки тому +8

    It's got to be Danny Green. They play on the same team! I would bet Danny taught Matisse a lot of what Matisse knows. Matisse is more athletic and can do more with the package than Danny could in his prime (and certainly more than Danny can do now). But I think it's the same strategy in a different body. Does that hold up?

    • @deanfirnatine7814
      @deanfirnatine7814 2 роки тому +2

      Matisse has played like that since High School

    • @YouTubeCensors
      @YouTubeCensors 2 роки тому +1

      Lol, Matisse played like that before Danny was on the team.
      Even Green himself said he's never seen Anyone quite like Thybulle

  • @erasmus8767
    @erasmus8767 2 роки тому +1

    Gonna go with deion sanders

  • @justtimes9257
    @justtimes9257 2 роки тому +2

    i wanna say andre roberson

  • @loqii4993
    @loqii4993 2 роки тому

    put it on spotify🙏

  • @michaelahurt
    @michaelahurt 2 роки тому +3

    In terms of style I think Westbrook is similar. Matisse is just a lot more successful and Russ does it as much out of laziness as trying to make plays. But they both swing for the fences, are crazy athletic, and don't mind playing from behind.

  • @ervinvaldez7470
    @ervinvaldez7470 2 роки тому +2

    Robert Covington

  • @kgballa
    @kgballa 2 роки тому

    Jordan is the all-time guard shot block leader

    • @NothingElseMattersJM
      @NothingElseMattersJM 2 роки тому

      Wade is leads in total guard blocks and MJ is the leader in blocks per game

  • @TaxTaxes
    @TaxTaxes 2 роки тому

    yeah to me he has jordan's energy with (closer to) pippen's body

  • @vincentsalvadorlatosa5077
    @vincentsalvadorlatosa5077 2 роки тому

    I see more of a closer resemblance of Matisse Thybulle to Shawn Marion probably because their both unorthodox players.

  • @andrewanderson5948
    @andrewanderson5948 Рік тому

    Yes Jordan was a great comparison.

  • @SamuelSabandar
    @SamuelSabandar 2 роки тому +1

    I see AK47, automatic like

  • @sugu8403
    @sugu8403 2 роки тому

    The best comp to me is actually one of MJ’s old teammates Ron Harper they are very similar feel free to discuss

    • @ThinkingBasketball
      @ThinkingBasketball  2 роки тому

      I'd describe his Chicago tenure as more of a "rock" than a huge disruptor, but I think I see where you're coming from with his length and some of his help defense on jumpers.

    • @sugu8403
      @sugu8403 2 роки тому +1

      @@ThinkingBasketball I like your MJ comparison but (for me) he was just too good on defence for me to compare to Matisse, and Moncrief couldn’t quite contest like Matisse; I had also thought of a *young* George Gervin who was pretty disruptive being so long, but felt Ron Harper was just too good a comparison to pass up I love discussing basketball though so if you’re ever up for it give me a shout!

  • @HighlightReelFactory
    @HighlightReelFactory 2 роки тому

    Thybulle is great at angles and sending you into traps

  • @benjihuynh2970
    @benjihuynh2970 2 роки тому +2

    Hell yeah

  • @UBeesh10
    @UBeesh10 2 роки тому

    No Tony Allen?

  • @mantassbakas
    @mantassbakas 2 роки тому +1

    I hope u become a new bill simmons, wait you kinda already are:)

  • @bakgammon
    @bakgammon 2 роки тому

    DPOY was created for Sidney Moncrief

  • @gyokeres31
    @gyokeres31 2 роки тому

    Roberson?

  • @donhou4854
    @donhou4854 2 роки тому

    im gettin gerald wallace vibes

  • @SteveNashty131
    @SteveNashty131 2 роки тому

    what about dwade?

    • @bryant475
      @bryant475 2 роки тому

      2nd best shot blocking guard after Jordan. If Thybulle keeps this up, he will likely displace Wade, and even Jordan for career BPG for a guard. Derrick White is also a great shot blocker for a guard, and gets a decent amount of steals as well.

  • @jimbojimbo6873
    @jimbojimbo6873 2 роки тому

    Guy in Thumbnail looking like Jake Paul

  • @jakubbielak7273
    @jakubbielak7273 2 роки тому +1

    Shawn Marion is one of the most underrated NBA players ever.

  • @katemanibo1279
    @katemanibo1279 2 роки тому

    Rodman vid

  • @christunnock2719
    @christunnock2719 2 роки тому

    Reggie Lewis

  • @eternalboss1046
    @eternalboss1046 2 роки тому

    Says the guy that put KG over Magic, Bird, and Wilt on an all time list lol.

    • @NothingElseMattersJM
      @NothingElseMattersJM 2 роки тому

      Did you even watch his greatest peaks series ? He had Bird and Magic in his top 10. He didn’t include Wilt because he said didn’t want to include 60’s players because there’s limited footage and it’s hard to scale their stats since there were so many possessions

    • @eternalboss1046
      @eternalboss1046 2 роки тому

      @@NothingElseMattersJM I was not referring to the peak series which gave an arbitrary time range for peaks, but I won't digress further on that since that was not my point.
      I was referring to his backpicks 40 greatest careers list. Where he had 8th KG over 9th Wilt, 10th Magic, and 11th Bird.
      "limited footage and it’s hard to scale their stats since there were so many possessions"
      So how much exact footage is needed? On the surface yes it sounds right to say "well I don't have enough film" but how do we know how much film was actually used for each player's ranking?
      Possession manipulations of per game or per minute stats are not absolutes anyway They are just a rate estimate. Which that estimate does not consider that shot %s typically go down when the past increases, and go up when the pace decreases, which would impact points, rebounds, and assists but the possession estimate just assumes that they are shooting their same %s as the pace changes. Relative TS is probably one of the better metrics Ben uses, but changing stats into possession estimates is one of his worse routines. Plus for 60s players offensive reb, defensive reb, abd turnovers were not officially tracked so any possession estimate is ever more diluted if you do it for the 60s.

  • @ballerproductions1408
    @ballerproductions1408 2 роки тому

    Paul George

  • @nick-ky7ql
    @nick-ky7ql 2 роки тому

    🔥🔥🔥

  • @joshnic6639
    @joshnic6639 2 роки тому +2

    The disrespect to Joel Embiid that this channel is guilty of is so upsetting, because I feel like I finally found someone who understands basketball as well as I do…which means I respect this channel, but what’s the deal with Joel Embiid and the lack of coverage?

    • @0608jeff
      @0608jeff 2 роки тому

      Nah they've done Embiid in the past and mentioned his strong rim protection in the previous Thybulle video.

    • @NothingElseMattersJM
      @NothingElseMattersJM 2 роки тому

      Well he just put out a short video in Embid so you should be happy

  • @janelly1810
    @janelly1810 2 роки тому

    While maybe not as close but.....John Wall may be a comp to consider. He wasn't as dominant as Thybulle but had the knack to blow up plays like Thybulle did in a sense.

  • @micahpg3407
    @micahpg3407 2 роки тому +1

    Tony Allen

  • @sfdko3291
    @sfdko3291 2 роки тому

    Shane Battier?

  • @robertmichael1540
    @robertmichael1540 2 роки тому +1

    Nice video!! Very engaging from beginning to end. Nevertheless, businesses and investment are the easiest way to make money irrespective of which party makes it to the oval office.

  • @brunocaboclosucksass68
    @brunocaboclosucksass68 2 роки тому

    Bruce Bowen

  • @filosurfer
    @filosurfer 2 роки тому

    Can you stop with the photoshopped eyes on the thumbnails already?!

  • @chrisshergie1030
    @chrisshergie1030 2 роки тому

    whoa slow down there. love that you know your stuff but getting blocks from behind doesn’t warrant a comparison to the greatest ever. after watching your video specifically about thybulle i walked away unsure of whether or not hes great or a liability. the cons you showed were pretty significant detractors

  • @rambooo2534
    @rambooo2534 2 роки тому

    Day 46 of asking for a D.Wade video 😒

  • @GoHmble
    @GoHmble 2 роки тому

    Bruce Bowen