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Fast Electric Parcel Vans
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- Опубліковано 24 тра 2016
- 11 Minutes. Parcel Vans were part of the Sydney rail scene for 60 years and provided a great service. On one occasion I despatched a heavy steel tool from Wollongong one morning and it was already at Blacktown by 4 PM the same day. It may be surprising but the peak of parcel vans in the fleet and mileage run was 1978 when there were 7 on the books. For more details see the magazine Australian Railway History for May 2013.
I lived by the railway in Stanmore in the Eighties. So much quieter nowadays. But I loved the noise!
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I remember the Cronulla one. I'd see it arrive in the afternoons while I waited for my bus. Some dude usually hauled big mailbags in and out of it. I think the red Auspost vans used to back up to the station, if i remember right.
From memory the one I got on the Cronulla line was a bit before lunchtime, but 2 or more services a day was not unusual. I did not know they had anything to do with the Post Office, but of course very possibly they did. My father had a car maintenance business at Crows Nest and a couple of times I had to go to St Leonards to pick up spare parts to repair a car. It was a good service. Not sure what killed it off. Possibly pressure from Courier parcel delivery companies.
I loved the optimistic yellow speed lines painted on the ends and sides! Actually, these things really did move along at quite a clip and since they weren't blocked by road traffic I expect they could provide pretty decent station to station time turnaround times.
The service seemed efficient. I suspect that some private courier businesses put the pressure on the government saying that government had no business competing with private companies. There could well have been other factors against their continuation which also ended in Melbourne.
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Yes, I could imagine business pressure.
They were dropped in 1989 (I'd already moved to Canada by then)?
Let's see... that the Greiner Liberals governed from March 1988. Well that certainly supports your theory.
Fast Electric Parcel Vans could handle small or quite large objects and exploited a fairly broad existing rail network so the usual Sydney traffic was not an issue. One might have hoped some sort of tie-in arrangement might have been made with private courier services which could have picked up at the source, delivered to the most optimal station, the item could have been dropped off at the nearest destination station where a private courier or taxi was waiting to deliver it. Of course the railways had not been expanded much since the 1950s (with the exception of the Eastern Suburbs line) and there had been huge growth in the western and southern suburbs, so there would have been areas where this service might be less effective than a private courier, I don't know.
The other thing I remember about these vans was how disappointing it was when you were waiting at Wynyard for a train that was already 15 min late and you saw something coming but then it only turned out to be a parcel van. Bugger!
Interesting comment, thanks. My father had a business at Crows Nest repairing motor cars and at least once he asked me to go to St Leonards station to pick up spares sent to complete a job. I don’t know how fast it was, but obviously better than other providers in this situation. Whether my recollections are correct or not, I cannot be sure but nothing shady Greiner did is likely to surprise me.
how very cute
Well that is one way to describe them. They were quite lively having the same motors as a passenger car but mostly with no trailer to drag around.
thanks for the memories! They were a common sight in their days. Also thanks for reminding what Chatswood used to look like, a 3 platform "normal looking" sububan station.
Yes the station had been untouched for I suppose the best part of 100 years but you would not recognise it today. Even out in the street looks different as they excavated into the hill to create the pedestrian underpass under the rail tracks. There used to be a long ramp and the concourse was above the tracks.
I remember this trip, I was about16. I remember "someone" filming traction motors and every one telling the local paper photographer not to take a snap of it. WOW good memories. Thanks,
I suppose that was me with the camera. Very few Railfans at that time had video recorders. Glad you Liked it. Latest report from HET is that they hope to have one parcel van in running order to be in the electric train celebrating the electric train Centenary in 2026.
what stops the parcels from falling out the open doors ?
Those Melbourne ones look great.
Glad I decided to watch this when it came up.
I can recall one stopping at Eastwood in the 80s.
The sound of that with the hatch open gave me genuIne goosebumps. What a nostalgia fix this video was.
I thought I only put Sydney parcel vans that video. Melbourne ones were mostly blue and yellow.
@@tressteleg1 you added stills toward the end.
If so, I forget as it was years ago. This video shows a bit more of Melbourne parcel vans.
Taits, Harris Trains & Parcel Vans. Part Silent Movie.
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What was also useful in VR days was Green Star where you can despatch a parcel which was carried in the van of a passenger train. Once I despatched urgent examination papers in the morning and they were received by college staff who were waiting in Bendigo in time for midday.
Another time I despatched a steel pistol safe to Sale and it was received the next day for only a few dollars.
These days the VR Outwards Parcels building is replaced by the Collins Street bridge.
With the examination papers, once I paid for the Green Star, I was allowed to go directly to the Bendigo train and hand it to the guard.
Yes both cities had efficient parcels services. I have a feeling that some of their problem in the 1980s was private courier companies complaining that government services should not be doing this sort of work. No doubt couriers were also eating into railways parcels services, which as you say could be very efficient.
That sound at 7:00 of the traction motors is amazing.
The Red Rattlers sounded like that sometimes.
I am preparing a sounds-only recording which I will publish here in a few days from now. I think you will enjoy it.
I'd almost completely forgotten that my now late Dad and I were on the parcel van tour to Ropes Creek in '86. Thanks for posting this. I looked hard but couldn't see either myself or my Dad. But I do remember watching the open access motor hatch. There's no way you could get away today with the stuff that happened back then. They were great days.
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They sure were great days. But as for not seeing you or your Dad, a friend who was on that tour has lent me his video for uploading which I will do sooner or later. You may be lucky then.
I recall on a W class tram tour the Organizer lifted a wooden floor panel of a moving tram and we can see the motor bogie as it turned a corner.
Why not? 😄
I was on this tour myself with my uncle cousin and dad. I would of been around 12. Pretty sure that's me at the 10:18 mark standing at the door.
just binge watched like 120 mins of you vids absolutely awesome stuff good old memories there
interesting, never seen this before. cool vid btw
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Awesome! I loved parcel vans. As a kid they were a trainspotter's Lotto prize. I begged a driver for a ride from Miranda to Gymea once in the early 1980s. Answer was no. :(
Bad luck about that knockback. Cab rides in the 1980s were fairly easy to get. I can only guess the problem was the fact that it was a parcel van which had a guard and parcel handler who would see that the driver had let a kid onto the cab. At the time there was a degree of animosity between drivers and guards, both belong to different unions So the driver possibly did not trust the others not to dobbed him in.
@@tressteleg1 very unlikely! I was a parcel van guard 1980/'84 and I never came across a driver who was 'difficult'. There had been a bit of animosity pre-late '70s, but it had died down by the time I took up in late 1978. (I heard stories about the animosity, but never saw an example in my entire time as a guard (1978/'89.) On the contrary, the vans were a very harmonious job. The vans were the highlight of my railway career and I still look back on those days with pleasure and nostalgia.
The animosity was something I heard of by repute, nothing I saw myself. I did in fact get to drive a PV down the Shore one evening so the guard must have known. If nothing else, my driving style would have been different from Burkey’s.
in the early 80s the guard used to let me travel in the parcel van sometimes!
A lot of today’s silly rules did not exist then. When I was young, it was easy to get a cab ride with the driver. I think often they were just a bit bored sitting by themselves all day and someone to chat to kept them more awake for the job!
@@tressteleg1 In my case the guard thought I might be fun to talk to, a teenaged uni student. Those were the days.
Yes, your experience was fairly similar to mine. Yes those certainly were the days, and no harm came from this.
@@tressteleg1 I miss these times.
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Thanks again for sharing this video. I loved the Parcel's Vans. They were always a good catch as they came through Blacktown. Platform 3 seemed to be their natural haunt there.
Got any footage of the Victorian CM. Parcel Vans?
I believe you will find a glimpse or 2 in the Tait video and especially the parcel van video.
Gold. Few fleeting shots of a (very young) zordmaker in there...
Great video footage , great sound
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Now those are the sort of sounds and sights I like. Growling gears that sing as speed increases, commutator whine, lifting up motor hatches, hehe, they'd have a fit if you did that now, let alone ran in service with the doors open. On our old EPB/HAP/CIG stock you could lift up those hatches. You could on the CEPs until they modernised them. Am I right in thinking that MV did the original traction equipments, motors, etc for Sydney ? I hear Westinghouse compressors too, maybe DH25's, same as we had.
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Yes the equipment was from Metropolitan Vickers, interesting in that they were 1500 volt motors, apparently an unusually high voltage in those days. Being 360 HP each they had plenty of power, but not real good adhesion in the wet, especially after the introduction of non-metallic brake shoes maybe around 1960. One power bogie per power car which also had to haul a trailer. I don't know who built the compressors but probably WH.
Insted of the kurrawong it should be the sound of a sydney parcels van traction motor on " Maccas on a sunday morning" hahahaha! What a great vidio !
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WOW !!! Subscribed ! Historical gold.
Adrian Kingston I hope you find something of interest in the future but I am pretty well out of vintage video.
OK, took another look... 10:26 in yellow shirt at No 1 end of rear parcel van is the Zordmaker. Of course that was a whole 8 years before he gained that title..
I remember one used to go from st marys on the dunheved line every morning at 7.30
Yes they were shown in the Working Timetable and should have run at the same time every day.
Used to love doing the PV guards roster, no passengers to give ya the shits and on real shitty days you could always give a good lookin woman a ride, nice close guard / driver working relationship too.
Thanks to Brian Burke I once took one down the North Shore on an early evening run. Quite an experience with the brakes doctored to give a response much more like a full train.
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I'm happy that you liked those sounds. Check out my Sounds Only video posted a few days ago, and watch for a Melbourne one soon.
Look for my Sounds-only 'Videos'. Plenty of sounds, and in Stereo as well
the photo at 3:30 was taken at Bankstown right?
marco v7878v No. Both that and the previous photograph were taken at Chatswood on the eastern side. It looks nothing like that any more.
Do they still do parcel vans on the Sydney rail System
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No. They finished in the later 1980s. I'm sure the video says when.
What’s funny with the wooden fast electric parcel vans is that they seem to closely resemble the designs of the 1938 tube stock trains in London so it’s possible that they used a similar design scheme for both trains or they were both designed and or built by the same manufacturer! :)
It was not just the parcel vans that had this appearance but also the early wooden power cars which this parcel van was probably converted from. Both the Sydney Harbour Bridge and the Sydney rail electrification were managed by Dr John Bradfield who travelled overseas researching the work he had to do. The design of these Sydney wooden cars dated from about 1920 which was somewhat before London’s 1938 tube stock which will be included in an upcoming video of mine. As far as I know, these wooden cars were built in Sydney.
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Definitely quite interesting though the wooden parcel car’s design still immediately reminds me of the 1938 tube stock trains so I guess it was most likely a design trend for British electric rail cars during the 1920s/1930s era so a significant amount of rail cars in Australia also took inspiration from that design trend at the time! :)
It is probably more a coincidence. There was a St Petersburgh tram built in the 1930s that very closely resembles a Sydney R1 and double deck rail carriages in East Germany that closely resemble early Sydney double deckers with there being little chance that either copied the other.
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Or it might of mainly been their attempt to try and somehow create something that looks streamlined when it’s actually not as Art Deco streamlining was a huge international design trend at the time so the designs they came up for those trains were most likely trying to accomplish a streamlined resemblance even though the rail vehicles actually couldn’t be truly streamlined due to the requirements of the designs set by the railways! :)
I bet there is nun of these in a rail museum in nsw
From a Google search I saw that C3653, an original new-build parcel van, has been preserved at Redfern, under the care of HET. It’s final fleet number is C3773. There could be others. I could find no single list of preserved electric cars.
@@tressteleg1 Yes, C3653/3773 which is one of the two parcel vans in this video was later used as a brake test car and is now under the care to HET. It will likely one day be restored to running condition and could make an interesting addition to F1. 3653/3773 was one of only three purpose built vans dating back to late 1928. They were C3901, C3902, C3903 (original numbers). They were later joined over time by Bradfield cars which were converted to parcel vans and numbered C3904 onwards. Then in the mid/late 1970's some 2 motor steel power cars were converted to parcel vans to replace the bradfield ones, along with C3902/3772 which was retired from service. The others you see in this video 3774 - 3779 range were the mid/late 1970's converts. One of the mid 1970's converts was also C3660 which was done to replace C3902. It was the same as the rest of the mid 1970's converts. There are only 2 left in existence now: C3653 (thnsw/het) and C3660 (SETS)
John Smith Thanks, as usual for that update, John. The parcel vans certainly had a history of their own for such a small fleet. I’m glad I set out to track some down one ormtwomdqysndays and get them on video. I don’t think anybody else bothered to do so.
Also I’d like to apologise if you never got my response to your last posting some weeks ago. UA-cam has changed some things with UA-cam studio and at times although I can read a comment, it is absolutely impossible to respond to it and at times even find it. When something works, there should be no need to fiddle with it, but that’s not how UA-cam and many other computer entities work, unfortunately
I did watch it. Interesting. Thanks. It’s funny that initially I did not bother putting any of my red train videos on UA-cam as I thought there would already be heaps. Then a friend told me there was nothing. After I put mine up, others came out of the woodwork and put their own scenes, and I suppose this was one of them.