GPU benchmarks - Pimax Crystal Super In-depth #4

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  • Опубліковано 27 гру 2024

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  • @PimaxVR
    @PimaxVR  8 днів тому +20

    "Default Settings in AirCar"
    RTX 2060
    Render Quality: 0.5
    SteamVR Res Per Eye: 2492 x 2616 ; 100%
    Refresh Rate: 90
    Avg FPS: 72
    RTX 3090
    Render Quality: 0.75
    SteamVR Res Per Eye: 3736x3924 ; 100%
    Refresh Rate: 90
    Avg FPS: 62
    RTX 4090
    Render Quality: 1.0
    SteamVR Res Per Eye: 6420x7412 ; 100%
    Refresh Rate: 90
    Avg FPS: 67
    AMD 7900XTX
    Render Quality: 1.0
    SteamVR Res Per Eye: 6420x7412 ; 100%
    Refresh Rate: 90
    Avg FPS: 48
    KayakVR: Mirage
    RTX 2060
    Render Quality: 0.5
    SteamVR Res Per Eye: 2492 x 2616 ; 100%
    Refresh Rate: 90
    Avg FPS: 70
    In-game pixel density: 0.7
    Graphic settings: High
    RTX 3090
    Render Quality: 0.75
    SteamVR Res Per Eye: 3736x3924 ; 100%
    Refresh Rate: 90
    Avg FPS: 70
    RTX 4090
    Render Quality: 1.0
    SteamVR Res Per Eye: 6420x7412 ; 100%
    Refresh Rate: 90
    Avg FPS: 74.5
    AMD 7900XTX
    Render Quality: 0.85
    SteamVR Res Per Eye: 5460x6300 ; 100%
    Refresh Rate: 90
    Avg FPS: 72
    Only for 2060, we have tweaked the pixel density and general graphic settings, other remains 1.0 and cinematic.

    • @danceoffAsh
      @danceoffAsh День тому

      Damn, those are some crazy numbers! Really looking forward to view them in person soon.

    • @sushishin
      @sushishin День тому

      Basically I still stay in 1.0 with my 4090? 😂

    • @Superkia75
      @Superkia75 22 години тому

      Were you using Foveated Rendering\Quadview on Kayak VR Mirage?

    • @L_Emir_de_Passy
      @L_Emir_de_Passy 21 годину тому

      FYI, kayak VR can run with QVFR.

    • @paulct91
      @paulct91 21 годину тому

      37 seconds... 37 seconds, that's all this video had to be, why is it longer?

  • @dejgo351
    @dejgo351 День тому +58

    Do DCS, MSFS, Alyx, Asetto Corsas etc. You can show QV DFR in DCS!

    • @HighAspect
      @HighAspect День тому +7

      Would agree, DCS benchmark with 72Hz and Quadviews

    • @L_Emir_de_Passy
      @L_Emir_de_Passy 21 годину тому

      And kayak VR.

  • @Dachopper_
    @Dachopper_ День тому +31

    The arrival of 5090 timed perfectly for this headset

    • @a5cent
      @a5cent День тому +6

      This comment won't age well.

    • @Dachopper_
      @Dachopper_ День тому +3

      @ oh really. Enlighten us why

    • @sushishin
      @sushishin День тому +2

      ​@@Dachopper_if NVIDIA is late or out of stock

    • @Kryojenix
      @Kryojenix День тому +7

      More like this headset timed perfectly for RTX5090 - they pretty much told us that the reason they're taking longer for the 12K is because even an RTX5090 won't be able to drive that resolution at good framerates. Or maybe that was a reason of convenience ...

    • @Dachopper_
      @Dachopper_ День тому +3

      @@sushishin yes I’m talking in general terms. BOTH could have supply issues at first but their release is well timed.

  • @Aku77777
    @Aku77777 21 годину тому +13

    No matter how many videos they make, i will wait for reviews first.

  • @prodriver_es5647
    @prodriver_es5647 21 годину тому +9

    Dude!!! The games you show us are not the target of who are going to buy your product. Completely absurd.
    Flight simulation and Simracing, that is the real target of PCS and the benchmark of those game is what US want to see in that kind of video.

  • @daviddahlstrom192
    @daviddahlstrom192 20 годин тому +6

    I'm not sure what to make of this video. As a sim player with a 4090 who is considering moving from a Crystal to a Super, the main thing (and really only thing) I'm really interesed in is whether my *overall experience* will be better in the Super. The only useful information in this video is that two popular "demo" titles that currently run at 90fps on my Crystal will run in the 60s or 70s on the Super, but doesn't give me any real sense about how my overall experience will be improved. If perhaps another video could be produced that does this kind of comparison, that would be great!
    For example, if a single VR-experienced individual sat down and compared titles like these (as well as some sims) after fine-tuning/optimizing them for both Crystal and a Super on a 4090, would the Super be an easy overall win or just offer a different mix of compromises with no clear winner?

  • @SargonDragon
    @SargonDragon 18 годин тому +5

    The most important info here is 100% on the Crystal Super is 6420x7412. You can set the rendering resolution to (roughly) that resolution regardless of what VR headset you're currently running and see what performance you'll get on your current hardware with any game you like. (The physical panel resolution of the headset won't change this)

    • @vracan
      @vracan 12 годин тому +1

      no pc in the world will be smooth at that res in dcs or msfs so whats the point. All I want is FOV

    • @abhishekKumar-sg6pc
      @abhishekKumar-sg6pc 3 години тому

      @@SargonDragon I don't think that's true .
      My vive pro 2 has a render resolution of 4356x4356 at steamvr 100 % .I'm getting around almost 90 fps(85-90) at the cinematic settings and render quality at 1 in kayak mirage on my 4090
      While the resolution here is 2.5 times higher than my vive pro 2 if you do the math

    • @abhishekKumar-sg6pc
      @abhishekKumar-sg6pc 3 години тому

      If you take this factor into account you should be getting around 90/2.5 equals 36 fps but instead the average fps is around 67 as in the benchmark.
      There's some detail still missing in the benchmark else the performance seems almost double than my vive pro 2. 67 is almost double of 36

    • @SargonDragon
      @SargonDragon Годину тому

      @@abhishekKumar-sg6pc I think you're missing my point. Try running your rendering resolution at ~6420x7412 and see what you actually get. This is a function of the GPU, not the VR headset. If you do some testing across different resolutions, you'll find that performance is not actually linear with the number of pixels.
      Also, not a lot of info on the testing conditions have been provided here, so its hard to know if you're really running the same settings.

  • @emarcel-l4i
    @emarcel-l4i 22 години тому +10

    Why don’t you test it in MSFS 2024 and RTX4090?? That is the main target 🎯 for such devices 🤔

  • @jimmy-the-bear
    @jimmy-the-bear День тому +7

    Would love to see how this performs on AMS2. That game is quite well optimised in VR so it would be great to see what sort of performance is possible

  • @paulct91
    @paulct91 21 годину тому +3

    1:05 - GPU Benchmarks Start

  • @jesseponcelet3570
    @jesseponcelet3570 18 годин тому +1

    Is 72hz available on the Super?

  • @r.m8146
    @r.m8146 21 годину тому +2

    I'd love to see data about DFR gains.

  • @shabanimakiwa
    @shabanimakiwa 2 години тому

    So a Pimax super is able to work with an RTX 3090 but for a Pimax Crystal light, the same graphics card is not one of the recommended? Can someone pls explain this.

  • @LandroRide
    @LandroRide День тому +2

    for the cpu would there be an advantage to having an amd 9800x3d? compared to a 9700x?
    Thanks.

    • @kuuhaku1168
      @kuuhaku1168 День тому +2

      Depends on the apps you are using. The extra 3D V-cache will improve FPS for multi-player games like VRChat, Rec Room, Zenith, and similar titles. It also helps with software that requires compiling a lot of shaders on the run.

    • @r.m8146
      @r.m8146 21 годину тому

      Yes, it will be better for basically everything with different level of impact.

  • @danceoffAsh
    @danceoffAsh 22 години тому +4

    Should put some benchmarks with MSFS. Aren't you guys official VR partners with them?

    • @StekuVideo
      @StekuVideo 21 годину тому +3

      The "partnership" was a purely marketing pitch.

  • @TESSERACT1988
    @TESSERACT1988 16 годин тому +1

    So rendered resolution vs physical is even higher than before
    H167% and V193%
    On Crystal/Crystal Light: H150% and V177%

  • @Themisterdee
    @Themisterdee День тому +1

    What features are excluded from AMD cards ie dfr , ffr and/or upscaling technologies?

  • @gizmo104drives7
    @gizmo104drives7 День тому +2

    Will there be any hand tracking feature available for the super?

    • @Kryojenix
      @Kryojenix День тому +2

      I think they said they expect hand tracking to be included in Crystal Super, but maybe not at launch.

    • @gizmo104drives7
      @gizmo104drives7 День тому

      @Kryojenix any idea where this was said. Is it just using the already integrated cameras for head tracking??

  • @Omniwhatever
    @Omniwhatever День тому +9

    I can't wait to get my hands on this thing for more benchmarking in various games. The Super has a pretty damn high render resolution, but avg FPS not looking so bad on the 4090 despite that with Kayak at least. Especially given the kind of visuals that game has. I know some games that're really gonna want that 5090 at full res!

    • @danceoffAsh
      @danceoffAsh День тому +3

      Really looking forward to your benchmarks too! Will you be getting the 5090?

    • @daviddahlstrom192
      @daviddahlstrom192 20 годин тому +2

      Well, with Kayak VR + QuadViews today, I run at 90fps on my 4090 with killer high res in the foveated center on my Crystal. So my real question with the Super (which, for the moment, I have on pre-order), is how the overall experience will compare. Will it be a "wow" upgrade, or just feel like a different set of compromises; and will it be worth what looks like a rather steep cost in fps to get that experience?

    • @Omniwhatever
      @Omniwhatever 17 годин тому +1

      @@danceoffAsh Unless the 5090 is something like 3000USD+ or ends up very disappointing and < +40% performance, yeah probably! Looking forward to testing it.

    • @Szabby999
      @Szabby999 15 годин тому

      Where did you see any tests with Super on 4090?

    • @daviddahlstrom192
      @daviddahlstrom192 15 годин тому +1

      @@Szabby999 In this video. 4090 gives 74.5fps in Kayak VR and 67fps in aircar. Honestly, though, if I had a Super I'd likely be dumbing down the graphics until I was getting at least 90fps on my 4090 since I find that anything below that is kind of crummy in these kinds of titles. Trouble with that of course, is that the visual might then not look any better than my Crystal. That's why I'd love to see someone actually compare their experiences in the Super and Crystal with matched titles and same graphics hardware. That would help me a whole lot more in making a decision to buy or not buy this headset than just raw benchmarks like this.

  • @gizmo104drives7
    @gizmo104drives7 День тому +2

    Will we get an in depth look at DFR and when and how it can be utilised. As far as I know very few games have it available, so will it be effectively useless if games such as Microsoft flight simulator still don't have it?

    • @HeadsetHistorian
      @HeadsetHistorian День тому +1

      Pimax support it on the driver level, so a lot of games that don't have official DFR support can still take advantage of it. That said, in games with native support like Pavlov or DCS you can see significantly larger improvements.
      Some games don't work unfortunately, but a surprisingly large number do. With the OG crystal I get pretty large boosts from using DFR with modded Skyrim VR even though that doesn't official support it for example.

  • @asmith1496
    @asmith1496 20 годин тому

    Any idea how the super will compare? Will my 4080 Super be enough for the Crystal light Super?

  • @abhishekKumar-sg6pc
    @abhishekKumar-sg6pc День тому +1

    Is it for the micro OLED version which boasts a resolution of 3840 x 3552 per eye . If yes this seems a very great performance.
    And is the DFR enabled while measuring this performance if yes then I'd it's much better performance
    But the barrel distortion correction seems to be very high

    • @Dachopper_
      @Dachopper_ День тому +2

      1. I’d say this demo is the QLED
      2. No DFR

    • @user-wq9mw2xz3j
      @user-wq9mw2xz3j 22 години тому

      oled or qled doesnt matter for fps performance

    • @somerandomperson8282
      @somerandomperson8282 4 години тому

      Umm, the QLED and the OLED are the same resolution, so no difference in fps.

    • @Dachopper_
      @Dachopper_ 3 години тому

      @ No they’re not.

    • @Dachopper_
      @Dachopper_ 3 години тому

      @@user-wq9mw2xz3j different resolutions.

  • @SURG3NT
    @SURG3NT День тому +10

    If this headset is out next month, I’m very worried why none of the big UA-camr VR channels have not received a unit yet for testing, very weird …..

    • @julianmazzola
      @julianmazzola 18 годин тому

      it is remotely possible that they're under embargo, but I agree, they have probably not received review units yet

    • @SURG3NT
      @SURG3NT 18 годин тому

      @ if they was under embargo they are allowed to say they have the headset but not any details on the unit itself, I’ve seen allot of these UA-camrs that usually receive the headset early are saying they are concerned they have not received or even been contacted about the headset yet..

    • @thhrash
      @thhrash 18 годин тому

      They are showing it at CES so we will have some people giving us hands on reviews. That might also be when they release it to UA-camrs. Probably still working on the software.

  • @bruce9902
    @bruce9902 5 годин тому

    Base on the non-intensive games that were shown, and the FPS are still under 90 FPS even with 4090 GPU, the Pimax Crystal Super is meant for the 5090 GPU.

  • @OzzySafa
    @OzzySafa День тому +4

    Since Pimax is a partner of Microsoft flight simulator, can we expect flight simulator to support dynamic foveated rendering at launch?

    • @SINfromPL
      @SINfromPL День тому +3

      microsoft has never releasted a statment about this partnership. pimax has made similar statements about working with valve before.

    • @StekuVideo
      @StekuVideo 21 годину тому

      The answer is: No.

  • @martinmccloskey4206
    @martinmccloskey4206 23 години тому +3

    give us an honest date for release please jan is a joke and its making you still look like liars

  • @user-wq9mw2xz3j
    @user-wq9mw2xz3j 22 години тому +1

    Good that it works with Amd.
    Now Amd needs to be more serious about VR support as well

  • @HaasSpitta
    @HaasSpitta 21 годину тому +2

    Want to see Half Life Alyx and Beat Saber

  • @johnnunez9295
    @johnnunez9295 День тому +4

    DCS user here with a Quest Pro / 4090. I run the Quest Pro at 5408 x 2736 (both eyes), which is optimal for QP, and I can just about hold 72 fps low level over Dubai with medium-high settings and AA (and QVFR). I love what you guys are trying to do, but that's some mountain to climb: 12840 x 7412 !!!, that's over SIX times the pixels. Even with your very high resolution, I think DCS visuals will not be acceptable without AA. That there DFR will have to do some very heavy lifting. Sure, some will say, just turn down the PD and settings; but what's the point of buying the headset if there's no PC on Earth that can take advantage of its full potential?

    • @johnnunez9295
      @johnnunez9295 День тому

      and yet... I still want one.

    • @HighAspect
      @HighAspect 23 години тому

      @@johnnunez9295 future proof and hope 5090 can power it

  • @FemboyWeebAstolfo
    @FemboyWeebAstolfo 19 годин тому

    Well done pimax. I have a 4080 maybe I’ll be able to order this thing even sooner than I expected. Hopefully we can get DFR working overtop the SteamVR games. I’m not a flight sim just a casual pcvr gamer

  • @chargerboy762
    @chargerboy762 19 годин тому +1

    It's crazy how every time they do a video to ""explain", you are left with more questions than answers. Actually when you consider it's Pimax, it so on brand for them. Why can't they do something completely thorough for once where you have very few if any questions!

  • @natecontarino1748
    @natecontarino1748 23 години тому +5

    Pimax never honored their warranty. I am stuck with a defective Crystal Light. First they responded to my ticket in Chinese. Then they didn't believe me. I described the defect in detail and they kept saying, "I'll send you the controller" which shows they aren't even reading what I wrote. Then when I asked for a refund they said they would only give me $600. I paid $937. I gave up because if I sent it to them, I may never see a return or refund. They were clearly blowing it off and trying to get me to give up.

    • @natecontarino1748
      @natecontarino1748 23 години тому +2

      Also this was bought as new and not B stock. It was obviously previously used and returned.

    • @chargerboy762
      @chargerboy762 8 годин тому

      Your pain with Pimax has not gone in vane. After reading about countless nightmare encounters with Pimax customer service and QC, there is no way in hell I am ordering a Pimax l product. It's really sad because I was so excited about the Super. I lost that excitemenI and they lost a sale. I am waiting for the elephant in the room that will turn the entire VR industry upside down,. And will instantly be the industry's most sought after headset, Deckard.

  • @bruce9902
    @bruce9902 5 годин тому

    I have a feeling that once Valve release the Deckard, Pimax will abandon this headset and build a competitive headset. I will then decided whether to get this headset, Pimax Air, or the Deckard like headset.

  • @scarryharry1
    @scarryharry1 День тому +1

    Nice, I missed Microsoft flight simulator 2020 / 2024 and Digital combat simulator. These are the main programs for me to play with the pimax crystal light now and for the super in January 2025. No worries i have the RTX 4090 and i hope the hands on the RTX 5090 in January.

  • @bulletboy159
    @bulletboy159 15 годин тому

    Does the headset have at least 100hz? So sad that it's displayport 1.4... it's bandwidth is 32.40Gbps and 120hz @ 7680X3840 uses 35.39Gbps and 110hz uses 32.44Gbps! Don't know if you could squeeze 110hz into the headset? Would be great. Or perhaps an odd number like 109hz? That works within the limit. But if not, at least 100hz should be possible!

  • @SebastienChedalBornu
    @SebastienChedalBornu День тому +5

    Your test is BS, test with real games even élite dangerous while it's an old game it's better than the demo air car where you basically have a graphic engine and nothing else. Almost same thing for kayak VR.
    It's like the unity or unreal démos where you got phantastic graphics but you can only because theere are no game physics engine etc

  • @Mellonpopr
    @Mellonpopr 15 годин тому

    70fps is too low for me, I want 120fps minimum

  • @CognosSquare
    @CognosSquare День тому

    Running Crystal super at RTX 2060 is very surprising even at 0.5. The 2060 was not strong.
    Would be bonkers if DFR could be leveraged in some way in the future for massive gains.

    • @SargonDragon
      @SargonDragon 18 годин тому

      It shouldn't be. There's this false belief that a higher resolution VR headset has to be driven by a powerful enough GPU to go with it. But this is a hold over from flat monitors that doesn't apply to VR. With VR, it's just run however high rendering resolution your GPU can handle regardless of the VR headset's panel resolution. There are no special resolutions (ie. 1:1) to hit.

  • @LocalHero2381989
    @LocalHero2381989 День тому +1

    Can i run the new Headsets with the 4090 too?

  • @Skylark0101
    @Skylark0101 День тому

    Great video, interesting to see through the lense, with Quadviews, DFR & Eyetracking this will be butter smooth in Pavlov at 120hz

  • @marvyrvygarvy408
    @marvyrvygarvy408 19 годин тому

    yeah, I'm going to need a 5090

  • @RyderUwU
    @RyderUwU День тому

    I'll test this on a 1080ti once it's out. The 5k super works flawlessly on it, crystal wouldn't initialize but since this headset will be without the xr2 stuff from what I know it could theoretically work! I'm sure it'll run fine on an 6900xt like the crystal does

    • @JaapGrolleman
      @JaapGrolleman 23 години тому +1

      1080ti doesn't support it

    • @RyderUwU
      @RyderUwU 23 години тому

      Does it do the flickering like it did with the normal crystal?

    • @paulct91
      @paulct91 21 годину тому

      Crystal SUPER probably doesn't have XR2 as Pimax tends to only use that type of chipset for their Crystal SUPER and I think Pimax Portal(?).

    • @paulct91
      @paulct91 21 годину тому

      ​@@JaapGrollemanIs that maybe due to HDR not being supported as DanceXR had that issue with the Oculus Rift CV1 vs Meta Quest 2/3 (which supports HDR), it made the Rift show one eye blacked out (I think, its been a while since that issue.)

    • @RyderUwU
      @RyderUwU 19 годин тому

      I hope so because with the Crystal it did cause some issues the non hybrid system variants didnt have. We'll have to see honestly but I'm sure it'll be alright as I've already seen miles of improvements if it comes to software and hardware stuff

  • @Roy-qn2ie
    @Roy-qn2ie 22 години тому +1

    I guess they will soon payoff a million youtubers again after sending out their sub par products so they can increase the hype.

  • @nextlevelsimgaming
    @nextlevelsimgaming День тому

    Fantastic guys, am looking forward to getting one of these 😊

  • @AlejandroLopez-wy2st
    @AlejandroLopez-wy2st День тому

    Damn, 6420x7412 is so crazy for racing sims and flight simulator. I hope 0.75 render quality looks sharper than the Crystal because, I doubt even the 5090 can handle it

    • @Dachopper_
      @Dachopper_ День тому +1

      5090 won’t be able to handle 1.0 on sims. Good news is 6090 only 2 years away 😂

    • @martintop2605
      @martintop2605 День тому

      will not look sharper than Crystal bcs displays always operate the best on native resolution , all other its just marketing. I run AMS2 on 80% res medium /high settings with cas upscaling with 5800x3d and 4090 for ACC im on 70% to get stable fps. So even 5090 will not be abvle to max out Crystal

    • @CoreGamingProject
      @CoreGamingProject День тому +2

      Yes it will. The main difference is made by the number of Sub-Pixel in long distance, not by the resolution itself. It's a commun miss-understanding by most of gamers.
      You can try a reading text with the crystal light at 100% or 75% you get the same result cause the limitation is sub-pixel.

    • @Dachopper_
      @Dachopper_ День тому

      @@martintop2605 5090 definitely won’t be able to max out the Super but I’m expecting it to be capable of running higher than PCL native

    • @Spinelli__
      @Spinelli__ День тому +2

      @@martintop2605 You're correct about displays looking best at native resolution (or a pixel perfect 2x2, ie. 4x mode) but it doesn't work that way with VR headsets due to the lenses, distortion profiles, and other reasons therefore ignore the whole "native resolution looks best" thing when it comes to VR.

  • @cow4756
    @cow4756 4 години тому

    "China has been generous" Sorry I had to say

  • @LUCIVER0815
    @LUCIVER0815 19 годин тому

    What a poor review! Test A Game/Games where this Vr-Headset will be used (like DCS, Iracing, ....) and not that shit. Ill think we can assume that also with a RTX 5090 you want get over 60 fps in DCS for example.

  • @davidd.1619
    @davidd.1619 14 годин тому

    DCS DCS DCS 💪

  • @CBGENESIS
    @CBGENESIS День тому

    Foveated eye tracked rendering is needed. This is no use.

  • @SpeedyCorky
    @SpeedyCorky День тому +2

    over 10% of this video is the intro.
    22 seconds of actual content.
    VIDEO STARTS AT @1:08
    the rest is fluff waste your time BS

    • @JaapGrolleman
      @JaapGrolleman День тому +6

      have a hug 🤗

    • @andrewhooker2282
      @andrewhooker2282 День тому

      @@JaapGrollemanthis is a great response 😂

    • @CognosSquare
      @CognosSquare День тому

      1:41 with actual hard content is pretty good by todays YT standards tho.

  • @sushishin
    @sushishin День тому

    Thx Calvin

  • @emarcel-l4i
    @emarcel-l4i 22 години тому +1

    RTX2060? No one with such graphic card runs VR on their 🖥️ PCs with intentions for Pimax Super … are you guys detached from reality for good ?🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @Dakkie442
      @Dakkie442 21 годину тому

      it probably more to prove that it CAN run on a 2060, not that it is normal

    • @emarcel-l4i
      @emarcel-l4i 18 годин тому

      @ this is 1800$ device so be realistic and show what it is capable of without any 🐂 shitting and we will buy it😛 we need technology + good software to ensure good performance! If you can deliver you will be rewarded and well paid!

  • @NanaHoshi35
    @NanaHoshi35 10 годин тому

    Come on, if you're not benchmarking games like MSFS DCS, at least you should include the scores with crystal og/light for comparison? This is an almost pointless benchmark

  • @grzegorztomasiak
    @grzegorztomasiak 23 години тому +2

    hahaha what a useless video, do a comparison with serious games. you know what, don't do anything, that would be the best.