Pluto will try to dominate mars, Mars will get Pluto to show his cards, take the sting out of the square, try to work it out, you don't need the drama intensified, subtle awareness of control issues,bitter resentment towards any crap,there's a war going on between personalities, if your not aware of it, you could become a victim of it, the result could be mars getting aggressive towards the Pluto aspect person, if you couldn't take the pressure escape the situation, driving the mars person to react,competition between people to prove who is superior,subconsciously at work is sexual excitement, a dance of resistance,it plays out as an ego clash,hatred and resentment for the pluto person for trying to control the mars person, trying to force a reaction, you drive us wild we'll drive you crazy🆘✅
Unknowingly experienced this in a major relationship, indeed, it was controlling and even violent, full of tension and bitterness, also provocative; in the end it made sense, as looking at the natal charts, this mirrored quite well certain incompatibilities. Needless to say, only distance and the death of the relationship stopped everything, nothing else worked. The positive was the peace of mind experienced after the exit. Since I was the Mars person I felt the draining effect of this, I would never go back to that.
And now for a positive: I have this aspect with my younger sister and she’s literally my best friend. I can tell her anything. We used to fight a lot but that came from us being babies. As we grew up and got to know each other our fights grew less frequent and more mature in nature. We can still get pretty heated when debating ideologies and/or opposing viewpoints because it’s so odd for us to not be on the same page, but it happens once in a blue moon and we can usually talk it out really easily and really well without any low blows. I don’t know if it’s because she has that placement natally or because our Mars’ are conjunct each other or because our Mars’ are in Pisces (though Mars is a dominant planet for me), but this square doesn’t drain me or her. We’re actually each other’s emotional support in a lot of ways
Once I met a guy we spoke like 15 minutes and we both felt soooooooo strong attraction the body was shacking. He invited me for a dinner in a restaurant I agree. When I back home I looked up our synastry and my heart almost stopped. I right away decided do not go further with this relationship. His sun in my 8th house Venus square Mars Venus opposite Pluto Mars Square Pluto Moon square Mars Mars square Mercury We had bunch of brilliant and strong other aspects but I just knew that this relationship is not gonna work.
One example I've observed working sexually/romantically is a softened, age-gap version--he the younger Pluto (Libra, 2nd house) and she the older Mars (Cancer, 12th house), with a lot of Venusian & Neptunian & MC energy. They bicker and butt heads, even stand in each other's way on occasion, but once they argue it out, there's sweet and caring and heady passion.
I do agree that this aspect is super hot and super dramatic. I had this square along with a host of other karmic aspects with a former one. But I am still not sure i would run away from this in the future. I do think easy aspects bring peace and harmony, but can lull both partners to sleep in the long term. How to bring passion into the relationship without the heavy price of energy sucking drama. Is it even possible in this life ?
So true! Having run around this block as the Mars person, it seemed that the bigger bang the Pluto person elicits, the more "proof" the Pluto person has, that the Mars person feels intensely & deeply about them. No matter how negative all this IS, it's the "evidence" the Pluto person wants, to feel "loved". Such a dark, goading loop =( Thanks Jewel!
OMG you're so right. The Pluto person really just wants to know how much the Mars person loves them and wants them, and it stems from insecurities. Even after Mars person shows evidence, Pluto will quickly forget and start doubting again. So the only way is to keep assuring Pluto he/she is loved. LOL
That's true. Although, in my case, I was the Mars and I was the one who wanted to get the evidences. It was like a drug, I was mean, trying to squeeze out something. Not because I felt like I'm not good enough or something, but because I couldn't get why exactly that person was with me, because I need to feel special, and I didn't. Though the Pluto person was also manipulative, sometimes in an obvious way, sometimes not so much. To be honest, I don't like being like this, and the only manipulation I used was "f*ck this shit, I'm out", and partly I really did wanted to end the relationship. And then it was the Pluto turn with his evil games, using other people, jealousy making, trying to lure me back. It's happening again with the other person now. Btw, I have the same aspect in my natal chart.
@@MsSexyAngel29 Unfortunately, that's not love: it's pathology. That's why the synastry of the two can be dangerous. And of course, both individuals need to be mentally healthy and psychologically mature ( which is frequently not the case). Some people learn. Others do not.
This video felt like church for me haha! I have this aspect with a past fling. I was Mars and he’s Pluto. We also had Venus square Pluto. I was Pluto and he was Venus. I only recently realized how much manipulation there was from both sides in our relationship. Truly eye-opening!
Everything you said, completely true..i have this with my bf, where i am the mars person and yes he have a way of driving me mad so bad i wanna beat the sh=t out of him. In fact when we don't have a serious fight ,we playfully beat each other and i like to smack him haha. Also there is lots of arguments but even then there is always an undertone of irritation because i know he is doing it on purpose. The fact that is on purpose is what i dislike the most about it. Exactly like you said he is forcing a reaction and he doesn't stop until he have it. I agree 100% there are some aspects that are good to avoid, because this is heavy, it's not like let's say mercury square mars where even if you have arguments and lil' fights, will pass. This really leaves a mark on you and not in a way that you can evolve, it's simply a destructive kind of energy.
Oh and i have this aspect in my natal too, also venus square pluto and mars conjunct venus, all three aspects very tight orb and is in leo-scorpio and the conjunction in leo. But even with so much pluto/mars energy i find it unbearable to have stressing pluto aspects in my relationships.
Jewel, you are definitely my favorite astrologer on UA-cam. I can tell that you have such a talent and passion for astrology. I'm grateful for your videos. Thank you.
I have this with my sister ( her Mars). I find her to be very selfish and after living together 3 years in small flat I left that union. I dont love her anymore. Friends you can choose, family you cant. :) It may sound sad to people that I dont want her in my life but some thing must be done to find peace in life. It is only solution, there is no compromise.
I had a double whammy with my ex and gosh, I never knew stress, anxiety and depression until I met her. Everything was so fast, she became my girlfriend in less than a week and we had a sexual chemistry that was insatiable. But nothing could make up for the drama and pain this relationship caused. She already had a more traumatic childhood and a history of toxic relationships. Sometimes just saying things even in the nicest way, would have her fire up and ready to destroy everything. It was so exhausting the entire relationship felt so primal. She even compared me to her abusive mother which I was so shocked bc im not like that at all. It got physical many times, her initiating the punches, me taking it, bc I felt like I was strong enough to handle it but honestly the reason it didn't end so much worse is bc I just couldn't be as mean as she was to me back to her. its like I could see she was angry and a part of me would be like its not that big of deal, why are you being so mean. I remember one time I broke a bowl on accident and I texted her about it and she got home noticed it was like a special bowl to her and she took my water bottle and stabbed bc she knew it was something I used often. My approach was to take the bowl to a repair shop but I mean that behavior is just so unacceptable specially for someone who claims to love you. I honestly just couldn't wrap my head over how cruel she would be. She would lock me out the bedroom (it was a studio) and would be like lay on the floor and sleep, no covers, nothing. I would just cry, cry and cry and ask her why. The answer never made sense and I eventually left her bc I was so just so fed up with the dynamic like why suffer when you don't have to, after all you choose this person, I couldn't take it anymore but it was for the sure the hardest thing I've done in my life and an air traffic controller/ soldier, im used to stress but this was different.I also saw how I affected her and I knew it was exhausting for her too bc she just couldn't stop being a cruel, like I can deal with a some conflict but cruel, saying things just to hurt. doesn't make sense to me. She eventually started dating someone right away, and gosh that hurt so much, I didn't have words.shit, I still don't but peace goes a longer way than conflict.This energy cannot be controlled, it just incinerates you.This like life and death. Honestly don't look back. Leave now. You will regret it if you don't.
My ex and I had this synastry aspect with a double whammy----both of our Mars are in Scorpio. We loved each other but our marriage became a complete nightmare. We were both verbally vicious to one another....both stubborn, controlling and always topping one another with doing something hurtful. We would separate, but get back together just for the crap to start all over again. I wish I was knowledgable about astrology back then....I would have run as fast I could and never looked back...he probably would have too.
Maybe if you cared less for astrology and just sit the fuk down and talked nothing would happen. Sad when people blames their life problems on oh we had square that's why! how stupid.
So sad people take astrology as blame, and never want put work how to make relationship works. Pluto in synastry means to show raw honesty and vurnerability so you guys both can transform and reborn each other to be the person they've been lacking in other partner.
@@Elwen-xs7gr it does only work if both people want to work on it. In my case my ex was incapable of taking accountability so this of course couldn't work out.
My ex has Scorpio in Pluto and I have Taurus in Mars. He throws rocks and then tries to hide his hands. Let's just say he played with the bull and received every inch of my horns 🤔😐.
This whole video made me feel extremely icky. (Not your fault, Jewel, of course. It was very well put as always, thank you.) I have this aspect with my mother, (her 8H Pluto in Leo Squares my 1H Mars in Scorpio). My mother is extremely domineering, and obsessively keeps tabs on me, and tries to control my life in every way possible. (I'm 35 btw!) Many years ago, she tried to kill me by smothering me with a pillow. It indeed triggered an intense rage in me, but I didn't explode, I imploded. I could only feel a little better by going to an isolated place to scream out all my pain every time it became too much to bear. She, (and my father too, but that's another story), broke my mind, but I'll never give her, (them), the satisfaction of knowing that! Edit: What karmic lessons might we be supposed to be learning with this type of relationship? What is the best result one can hope for? Is there any way to salvage such a relationship?
Wow, I so relate to you. My mother's Pluto in Leo is also square my Mars in Scorpio. My mother has tried to dominate me and keep me small my entire life. Growing up she would send me to institutions and try to ground me into the ground because I am very independent have a very strong will. Her Pluto is also square her own Moon in Scorpio, so she has BIG Pluto issues. She was abused badly by her own mother and never dealt with it. Anyway, I am sorry. I was not able to salvage my relationship with my mother - she wants me small and maybe even dead! How can you salvage a relationship with someone like that? What I try to do is to have pity from afar and keep my own heart open. I know she is very damaged and beyond help and is in great pain everyday. I try to keep my heart open to her even though I have to keep her far away.
My moon opp his venus and mercury,his moon opp my saturn...gosh.. thankful that i believe and study synastry in Astrology.Thank you Jewel for such a beautiful description..u made my day
I have mars square pluto natally, and I have historically attracted this aspect in romantic relationships. I find certain power dynamics to be a turn on, and am usually somewhat bored without it. I've been on both sides, but prefer the pluto end (mine is in the 7th), lol. Obsession seems to be a theme here too. Is that Ganesh in the background? If so, nice symbolism to go with the topic :)
I have this natal. Ive never been violent or had any fights in relationships. I actually avoid conflict like the plague. But most of it is just a Bosslike Independence. I struggle with feeling people are trying to control me. If someone actually crosses that line, ill hold onto resentment for an eternity. The best way I can describe it is "I want to do it myself". If people put me in charge of things, I can come across as too controlling so ive let go of wanting any positions of power and prefer to jist be alone. Sexually aggressive with lovers, but never in an abusive or non-consenting way. Ive never "exploded" on someone or got in any physical fights. Most of it is verbal sparring representing "do what I want or go away" type energy. I have a Sun Mars conjunction so this also hits my ego and things I enjoy in a competitive sense. Edited to add: In synastry I have this with my mother. Im the Pluto and shes the Mars. Shes overbearing and Ive felt she was trying to control my life. She never let me have friends, and took thousands from me and would lash out for my not being like her. Shes a Scorpio Sun and has 6 squares to her Mars natally. My natal Mars square Pluto is the only square I have to my Mars. Ive never laid a hand on her, shes physically abused me, I still flinch when people raise their arm near me. Shes accused me of being a prostitute (i work in law enforcement btw) and would take clothes that made me too attractive. For some reason I came across as too sexy for her and she was always calling me a wh**e when I hit puberty even though id never even kissed a guy. I was invited to modeling agencies and shed turn them away. My Pluto wasnt afraid to stand up for myself and her Mars h*ted me for it. She would jump to conclusions all the time catching me off guard, and VERY controlling. Known as the Mother in Law from h*ll to my lover and my brother's wife.
I had a 9month relationship with someone who has this aspect with me. I was a Mars conjunct Neptune, he was the square Pluto. Everything you have described is true. We have been split up for 6 years, and he still tries to get my reaction, even if he has to go through other people.
Thank you so much for this video. I needed this information. So much better than the computer generated explanations of this aspect. Thank you for helping me understand this aspect better. I am the "Mars person" lol.
Yep. Had this aspect with my ex. My mars is weak but she was very plutonic (with scorpio moon and all) and had a lot of insecurities. The resentment i had towards her was bitter bitter bitter. When I finally gave in to that anger, my virgo Mars was very very very aggressive and harmful. And the purpose was to *hurt*. Now I'll just avoid anybody with this aspect lol 👌
Thanks to having this natally, I also had this aspect in many of my relationships. Usually I was the Mars person and that felt somewhat better, but once I was the Pluto person, that was hell, it was a very abusive relationship, I still don't understand how I let him do all the things he did to me. I recognised at the end the extremely strong (and very unhealthy) obsession I felt towards him and I forced myself to stop the whole thing. Interestingly he was the one who seemed to get "high" on my emotional reactions to his provocations. I recognised that pattern too, I learned so much from this (thankfully short) relationship but it almost destroyed me, and resulted in me facing a lot of trauma from my past. Now I'm sort of involved in a dynamic with a friend where I am Mars and I feel these sado-masochistic urges withing me, I feel strong desire but it's a lot of lust there mostly. I really don't want to hurt people but there is this strong energy in me that wants to get out somehow.
blue sheep, just looked this up for OJ and Nichol and there it was the aspect I was looking for, I also have it with my ex husband ( 1 degree, he was Pluto ) and he was abusive to me....I also have it with my current boyfriend at 7 degrees, he's the Pluto and I have been mean to him on a few occasion, if drink to much ( I must watch this ) otherwise I don't get angry. We also have a lot of good stuff as well as passion Pluto stuff....amazing it's it...
You are so good at explanation about every aspect of the synastry... Thank you. I "found" you four days ago and I just can`t stop.:) Ohh, and I really really want you not to be right about this one... I have this aspect in a new relationship and now I`m so scared.
Petya Petrova look at the strength of each planet, mars and Pluto. Sometimes if mars and / or Pluto are not highly aspected or coming through a passive sign it can be a bit easier.
@@JewelMayberry Thank you, Jewel. Yes, you have said that in your video but I still can`t decide what to do with this "scary" aspect ... I neeeeeed you :) In fact it is not the only one... Plus his Venus conjunct my South node. It`s a real mess... I really need you to tell me just one word : "Try" or "Run!" :)
I have been pluto person many times in a connection where they already have this thing natally. It's bad, it should be avoided and as a pluto person I realy just lived my live and wanted peace. Mars goes wild and can be agressive.
Interesting. I have this in an exact aspect with a guy who liked me. He is mars and I am Pluto and I felt like he was pushy with his attraction for me when I didn’t feel the same way about him. Other factors to consider my Venus opposite his Neptune in exact aspect and my moon opposite his Uranus in a supplemental level.
Please, do the opposition! But I think the square and the opposition may have some things in common cause I've experienced some of the emotions you mentioned in this video... and me and that person (colleague of mine) didn't even get to be in a romantic relationship. I got scared of his constant outbursts and kept him at bay. We had both the conjunction and the opposition and the physical attraction was out of this world! I don't work with him anymore but I still think about him sometimes.
dont agree with Sexuality with this aspect. But attraction is immense and PLUTO demands a lot in relation even if its a casual friendship. Pluto becomes jealous and hurt and MARS seems ignorant and dont give proper attention due to Mars roaming nature like MARS person always busy in doing some projects and hardly give time to you and this way your emotions left unheard and unattended. Forget about explosive encounters and violence.
I have the double whammy with this guy and it is crazy in every way imaginable. Intense sexual attraction that leads to very primal sex. Outside the bedroom, there’s a lot of unnecessary combativeness. The feeling like you can’t leave them alone and NEED to get a reaction out of them and whoever gets the biggest, most intense reaction “wins”. We also have pluto square moon and I usually end up “losing” and wind up in the more submissive/emotionally wounded position (I’m moon). It can quickly become an abusive tit-for-tat and I have to end it for my own piece of mind. But it’s hard to let go. I am usually very level headed and never argue, but I have fought more this with person than I have with everyone in my life put together...Dangerous and brings out a side in you that you didn’t know existed. Ugh.
I agree with amanda I have this with a coworker and we play fight a lot he gets kind of aggressive and hits too hard sometimes tho but I hit his ass back. It is kinda like a tit for tat we keep it going until I find it draining. im normally submissive / passive but he brings out a very primal animalistic side of me god only knows how intense our sex would be 😂
i had mars square pluto aspect (my pluto) and (his Mars) and HE was the one trying to manipulate me, very jaleous, violent with words, restrictive, paranoia while i was almost submissive in this relationship so i think my pluto energies impact his Mars in the way where his behaviour reflect plutonic feelings. so hearing the pluto tries to manipulate the Mars and being pushy or forceful while i was the one enduring abuse it's not great. and not true.
i feel like mars wants to impose his ways on pluto, but pluto does not agree with them and wants to transform their way of dealing with world. for example pisces mars might saying "women should be housewifes, stay in their female roles" and pluto in scorpio would be like " uh, oh honey, sexual liberation and equality!!! "
I agree. The mars person on my end causes all the drama, confusion and games. Like you’ve mentioned Ive been submissive, trying to talk things out , and compromise. I’m usually met with his ego and things don’t get resolved
I have this with someone, Im the pluto person but I feel he tries to manipulate me. Maybe subconsciously he feels Im manipulative but Im really not. Im just really attracted to him
but the sex, it's so gooood lol I had my mars square this guy's pluto with his mars trine my pluto, as well as hard neptune and uranus mars aspects(a lot of neptune/uranus aspects in general) and hooking up was so intense. We didn't have a lot of conversations though, and was a short-lived fling, so maybe that's why there are no hard feelings hahaha Also I have mars square pluto in my own chart, so maybe I just appreciate it in general
I have mars square Pluto in my chart too and the guy I’m talking too we have it in our synastry too. 😬😬 but we also have our Venus and moons trining each other too. Well see how it plays out.
hahahahahhahahahahaaaahhhhahahahhahahaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!thank you this is wonderful. i feel like im literally making a decision about this relationship. such friction!
I am the mars person and you know when i face this aspect with my person i blame the pluto not the pluto person but the pluto in him. I know it'll happen again and i am going to explode. But being aware of this aspect makes my explosion controlled explosion.
I have a - 61 square mars-pluto the reading says my Pluto sounds scorpionic and that It can modify my mars sign which is Virgo so I'm still trying to figure out how that works
My ex has his pluto square my mars at 0 30' and his pluto square my venus at 1 30'. I have natal pluto square venus and mars at 0 degrees. What you explain is exactly what our relationship has been like. We couldn't transcend it, the only way of keeping calm is keeping the distance.
Very dramatic & warlike. I had this aspect with an ex friend. Her Mars (Leo) & my Pluto (Scorpio). I don't think that I was controlling. From my perspective I was trying help her to evolve and transform consciously and she was stubborn in her ways. I'm sure she has her own perspective. I guess she just wanted to do her own thing and wasn't ready or just has her own path & karma. When you mention the sexual competition and attraction, I also felt that resonated. Her Pluto (Sag) squares my Venus (Virgo) as well, and her Mars conjuncts my asteroid Sappho. I rejected her sexually and only wanted to be friends. I was very honest that I didnt want to be in a sexual dynamic with her. I felt that she was ego bruised by this.
You say i don't think that i was conroling but you do it lokk wahat you say i want her to transform she's in independent and many thing tgise kind of think are called manipulation as mars person i'm tottaly agaunst that and i'm always on the mode of defense we fell how you try to manipukate and we hate that
Lmao the song 🤣🤣🤣 god you're so accurate!! I'm the Mars and he's the Pluto and I just want to scream because his Pluto is so low-key but I'm also Plutonian or identify with the strong plutonian in my chart so I can FEEL how he is trying to control what I give my attention to and he wants it all to him even though I have Alot of other responsibilities.
I thought me and the person i am seeing almost have a perfect synastry chart compatibility until i saw how active this aspect is. His moon-venus conjunction's midpoint is in my sun. His uranus conjunct my asc. My venus-mars in cancer conjunction conjuncts his mars-jupiter conjunction in cancer, they all square his pluto-north node conjunction in libra but my mars squares his pluto the tightest (1°). Should i stop investing my time on this person already or should i give it a try?
I was dating this guy. His sun&Mercury conjunction is in Gemini and my rising is Gemini. We had a lot of conversations. His pluto in Scorpio square my Mars&sun in Aquarius. I admit there's sexual attraction there, but the thing is I couldn't bear him any more before we went there. He drove me crazy though Aquarius are supposed to be cool 😎.
I have this aspect with my stepfather and he used to beat me up when i was a child. He never touched my mother or something. He just attacked the cat or me. Especially when he was drunk he came into my room at night and jumped on my bed and started choking me for no reason jelling like a madman. He came into my life when I was 6 Jears old and he did it until I ran away from home in the age of 18. I think I was a really nice little girl. Very shy and smart. I still ask myself why. Nobody ever gave me an answer why this guy was such an asshole to me.
I have this natally as well. I find that this dynamic exist with people from my same Pluto in Scorpio generation, obvi right? And probably why I am more apt to date from the older Pluto in Libra generation. My mars in fixed in Aquarius and the subtle manipulation is a constant factor. I can't and won't battle someone all the time.
I feel like since my Leo Mars being in the 12th house subdues that firey element. I'm very non-confrontational. Both of our Plutos are Scorpio. Me: Cancer Sun/Pisces Moon/Cancer Venus/Leo Mars Him: Cancer Sun/Scorpio Moon/Taurus Venus/Cancer Mars One thing we've talked about is domestic abuse and I have zero tolerance for it. I have never got a red flag from him that he would ever touch me... and I definitely don't fight
Really interesting ... a lot of water energy and having the 12th 'pisean' house mars like jewel mentioned ... do you think the above takes a lot of the drama out of it? Despite both having Pluto on home ground in scorpio?
I have this with my boyfriend (I'm the Pluto) and he triggers me like noone else. I had numerous screaming fits because he manages to push my buttons. Yes it is a very aggressive aspect but we also have mercury opposite pluto and mercury square Mars.
I experienced the same with a guy before. I feel like mars is just a HUGE instigator. Its almost like they enjoy inflicting mentally and emotional pain to the pluto person.
@@joeyjojojuniorshabadoo5971 yes! Or maybe that's how it comes across to the Pluto person. But yeah sometimes he does it on purpose, sometimes he is just being himself (he is generally quite blunt)
I just gott hired at a new place of employment... I have a Pisces Mars square Pluto natally. And my new co worker has a Virgo Mars square Pluto natally. And we have a two way Mars square Pluto in synastry. There is definetly tension...
Don’t bother to defend yourself. Be like a tennis racket that just lets the barbs bounce off. “I’m rubber, your glue...” but don’t actually say it. The fight will be on if you issue any challenge. For both of you.
What if both you and the other person have all of the same placements, therefore both of you are the Mars and the Pluto person? What do you think would be happening then?
I have this aspect with someone. I'm pluto. And my mars is in his 8th house along with is own mars and I FEEL NOTHING. Why is that? His mars is in my 5th and his venus in my 1st.
I have Mars trining my Pluto and squaring the guys Pluto in scorp as my interest. He purposely entice me so I react to it, also fights for no apparent reason. Sorry fellows and dear Pluto's out here, we all have a Pluto somewhere. And trust me, we all want life our way that's the reality of the situation. In any case, Pluto person feels rejection very deeply and doesn't want that reaction visibly obvious, being Mars person and several other placements where I express myself without hesitation, that doesn't happen with Pluto person I can say this guaranteed. Mars is and always will be the dominant one period
That part where she sang the song and came back to normal I couldn’t stop laughing 🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
the way you explain its like no other astrologer
Pluto will try to dominate mars, Mars will get Pluto to show his cards, take the sting out of the square, try to work it out, you don't need the drama intensified, subtle awareness of control issues,bitter resentment towards any crap,there's a war going on between personalities, if your not aware of it, you could become a victim of it, the result could be mars getting aggressive towards the Pluto aspect person, if you couldn't take the pressure escape the situation, driving the mars person to react,competition between people to prove who is superior,subconsciously at work is sexual excitement, a dance of resistance,it plays out as an ego clash,hatred and resentment for the pluto person for trying to control the mars person, trying to force a reaction, you drive us wild we'll drive you crazy🆘✅
The song part i died😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Beatriz Cx99 lmaoooo same!!
The abrupt transition from singing the song to her normal voice 😭
Unknowingly experienced this in a major relationship, indeed, it was controlling and even violent, full of tension and bitterness, also provocative; in the end it made sense, as looking at the natal charts, this mirrored quite well certain incompatibilities. Needless to say, only distance and the death of the relationship stopped everything, nothing else worked. The positive was the peace of mind experienced after the exit. Since I was the Mars person I felt the draining effect of this, I would never go back to that.
How do you know who the mars and who the pluto person is from the composite chart?
same
In composite you are both mars and pluto, you both feel the energy and play those roles.@XOXLovely9
And now for a positive: I have this aspect with my younger sister and she’s literally my best friend. I can tell her anything. We used to fight a lot but that came from us being babies. As we grew up and got to know each other our fights grew less frequent and more mature in nature. We can still get pretty heated when debating ideologies and/or opposing viewpoints because it’s so odd for us to not be on the same page, but it happens once in a blue moon and we can usually talk it out really easily and really well without any low blows. I don’t know if it’s because she has that placement natally or because our Mars’ are conjunct each other or because our Mars’ are in Pisces (though Mars is a dominant planet for me), but this square doesn’t drain me or her. We’re actually each other’s emotional support in a lot of ways
There are like 9 other planets you have and they probably aspected pretty good by your sister’s natal chart
Once I met a guy we spoke like 15 minutes and we both felt soooooooo strong attraction the body was shacking. He invited me for a dinner in a restaurant I agree. When I back home I looked up our synastry and my heart almost stopped. I right away decided do not go further with this relationship.
His sun in my 8th house
Venus square Mars
Venus opposite Pluto
Mars Square Pluto
Moon square Mars
Mars square Mercury
We had bunch of brilliant and strong other aspects but I just knew that this relationship is not gonna work.
One example I've observed working sexually/romantically is a softened, age-gap version--he the younger Pluto (Libra, 2nd house) and she the older Mars (Cancer, 12th house), with a lot of Venusian & Neptunian & MC energy. They bicker and butt heads, even stand in each other's way on occasion, but once they argue it out, there's sweet and caring and heady passion.
I do agree that this aspect is super hot and super dramatic. I had this square along with a host of other karmic aspects with a former one. But I am still not sure i would run away from this in the future. I do think easy aspects bring peace and harmony, but can lull both partners to sleep in the long term. How to bring passion into the relationship without the heavy price of energy sucking drama. Is it even possible in this life ?
So true! Having run around this block as the Mars person, it seemed that the bigger bang the Pluto person elicits, the more "proof" the Pluto person has, that the Mars person feels intensely & deeply about them. No matter how negative all this IS, it's the "evidence" the Pluto person wants, to feel "loved". Such a dark, goading loop =( Thanks Jewel!
OMG you're so right. The Pluto person really just wants to know how much the Mars person loves them and wants them, and it stems from insecurities. Even after Mars person shows evidence, Pluto will quickly forget and start doubting again. So the only way is to keep assuring Pluto he/she is loved. LOL
That's true. Although, in my case, I was the Mars and I was the one who wanted to get the evidences. It was like a drug, I was mean, trying to squeeze out something. Not because I felt like I'm not good enough or something, but because I couldn't get why exactly that person was with me, because I need to feel special, and I didn't. Though the Pluto person was also manipulative, sometimes in an obvious way, sometimes not so much. To be honest, I don't like being like this, and the only manipulation I used was "f*ck this shit, I'm out", and partly I really did wanted to end the relationship. And then it was the Pluto turn with his evil games, using other people, jealousy making, trying to lure me back. It's happening again with the other person now.
Btw, I have the same aspect in my natal chart.
@@MsSexyAngel29 Unfortunately, that's not love: it's pathology. That's why the synastry of the two can be dangerous. And of course, both individuals need to be mentally healthy and psychologically mature ( which is frequently not the case).
Some people learn. Others do not.
This video felt like church for me haha! I have this aspect with a past fling. I was Mars and he’s Pluto. We also had Venus square Pluto. I was Pluto and he was Venus. I only recently realized how much manipulation there was from both sides in our relationship. Truly eye-opening!
Thank you! All of your videos are divine ❤
Everything you said, completely true..i have this with my bf, where i am the mars person and yes he have a way of driving me mad so bad i wanna beat the sh=t out of him. In fact when we don't have a serious fight ,we playfully beat each other and i like to smack him haha. Also there is lots of arguments but even then there is always an undertone of irritation because i know he is doing it on purpose. The fact that is on purpose is what i dislike the most about it. Exactly like you said he is forcing a reaction and he doesn't stop until he have it. I agree 100% there are some aspects that are good to avoid, because this is heavy, it's not like let's say mercury square mars where even if you have arguments and lil' fights, will pass. This really leaves a mark on you and not in a way that you can evolve, it's simply a destructive kind of energy.
Oh and i have this aspect in my natal too, also venus square pluto and mars conjunct venus, all three aspects very tight orb and is in leo-scorpio and the conjunction in leo. But even with so much pluto/mars energy i find it unbearable to have stressing pluto aspects in my relationships.
Thank you for all your videos Jewel! You have such a gift for explaining people and the interactions between them!!
Love you videos, always very insightful and metaphors help to remember things. Thank you!
Was searching it for a friendship/business synastry btw.
Wow brilliant explanation thank u. I’ve had this aspect in my previous relationship and can totally relate to this dynamic
haha the "call me" haha, oh my god!! Bless you, Thank you for your teachings
Jewel, you are definitely my favorite astrologer on UA-cam. I can tell that you have such a talent and passion for astrology. I'm grateful for your videos. Thank you.
I have this with my sister ( her Mars). I find her to be very selfish and after living together 3 years in small flat I left that union. I dont love her anymore. Friends you can choose, family you cant. :) It may sound sad to people that I dont want her in my life but some thing must be done to find peace in life. It is only solution, there is no compromise.
She your family for a reason
Very selfish [Mars] indeed
This is how I feel now.
I had a double whammy with my ex and gosh, I never knew stress, anxiety and depression until I met her. Everything was so fast, she became my girlfriend in less than a week and we had a sexual chemistry that was insatiable. But nothing could make up for the drama and pain this relationship caused. She already had a more traumatic childhood and a history of toxic relationships. Sometimes just saying things even in the nicest way, would have her fire up and ready to destroy everything. It was so exhausting the entire relationship felt so primal. She even compared me to her abusive mother which I was so shocked bc im not like that at all. It got physical many times, her initiating the punches, me taking it, bc I felt like I was strong enough to handle it but honestly the reason it didn't end so much worse is bc I just couldn't be as mean as she was to me back to her. its like I could see she was angry and a part of me would be like its not that big of deal, why are you being so mean. I remember one time I broke a bowl on accident and I texted her about it and she got home noticed it was like a special bowl to her and she took my water bottle and stabbed bc she knew it was something I used often. My approach was to take the bowl to a repair shop but I mean that behavior is just so unacceptable specially for someone who claims to love you. I honestly just couldn't wrap my head over how cruel she would be. She would lock me out the bedroom (it was a studio) and would be like lay on the floor and sleep, no covers, nothing. I would just cry, cry and cry and ask her why. The answer never made sense and I eventually left her bc I was so just so fed up with the dynamic like why suffer when you don't have to, after all you choose this person, I couldn't take it anymore but it was for the sure the hardest thing I've done in my life and an air traffic controller/ soldier, im used to stress but this was different.I also saw how I affected her and I knew it was exhausting for her too bc she just couldn't stop being a cruel, like I can deal with a some conflict but cruel, saying things just to hurt. doesn't make sense to me. She eventually started dating someone right away, and gosh that hurt so much, I didn't have words.shit, I still don't but peace goes a longer way than conflict.This energy cannot be controlled, it just incinerates you.This like life and death. Honestly don't look back. Leave now. You will regret it if you don't.
I'm sorry
Sorry this happens to u.. Is she the Mars or pluto person..??..
@@fancylyrics.He said it was a double whammy. His Pluto square Hers and vice-versa.
I had this aspect with my recent ex. My mars is in Leo & his Pluto Scorpio, mental and physical abuse took place. Everything you said is spot on
My ex and I had this synastry aspect with a double whammy----both of our Mars are in Scorpio. We loved each other but our marriage became a complete nightmare. We were both verbally vicious to one another....both stubborn, controlling and always topping one another with doing something hurtful. We would separate, but get back together just for the crap to start all over again. I wish I was knowledgable about astrology back then....I would have run as fast I could and never looked back...he probably would have too.
Maybe if you cared less for astrology and just sit the fuk down and talked nothing would happen. Sad when people blames their life problems on oh we had square that's why! how stupid.
You were a vindictive biich just like him since it's a double
So sad people take astrology as blame, and never want put work how to make relationship works. Pluto in synastry means to show raw honesty and vurnerability so you guys both can transform and reborn each other to be the person they've been lacking in other partner.
yes the aspect is hard but it's both of your faults for not working together to get past the difficulties
@@Elwen-xs7gr it does only work if both people want to work on it. In my case my ex was incapable of taking accountability so this of course couldn't work out.
My ex has Scorpio in Pluto and I have Taurus in Mars. He throws rocks and then tries to hide his hands. Let's just say he played with the bull and received every inch of my horns 🤔😐.
This whole video made me feel extremely icky. (Not your fault, Jewel, of course. It was very well put as always, thank you.) I have this aspect with my mother, (her 8H Pluto in Leo Squares my 1H Mars in Scorpio). My mother is extremely domineering, and obsessively keeps tabs on me, and tries to control my life in every way possible. (I'm 35 btw!) Many years ago, she tried to kill me by smothering me with a pillow. It indeed triggered an intense rage in me, but I didn't explode, I imploded. I could only feel a little better by going to an isolated place to scream out all my pain every time it became too much to bear. She, (and my father too, but that's another story), broke my mind, but I'll never give her, (them), the satisfaction of knowing that!
Edit: What karmic lessons might we be supposed to be learning with this type of relationship? What is the best result one can hope for? Is there any way to salvage such a relationship?
Wow, I so relate to you. My mother's Pluto in Leo is also square my Mars in Scorpio. My mother has tried to dominate me and keep me small my entire life. Growing up she would send me to institutions and try to ground me into the ground because I am very independent have a very strong will. Her Pluto is also square her own Moon in Scorpio, so she has BIG Pluto issues. She was abused badly by her own mother and never dealt with it. Anyway, I am sorry. I was not able to salvage my relationship with my mother - she wants me small and maybe even dead! How can you salvage a relationship with someone like that? What I try to do is to have pity from afar and keep my own heart open. I know she is very damaged and beyond help and is in great pain everyday. I try to keep my heart open to her even though I have to keep her far away.
Thank you Jewel :)
I had this with a former boss - it was a nightmare! Power struggles up the wazoo. Very toxic.
My moon opp his venus and mercury,his moon opp my saturn...gosh.. thankful that i believe and study synastry in Astrology.Thank you Jewel for such a beautiful description..u made my day
I have mars square pluto natally, and I have historically attracted this aspect in romantic relationships. I find certain power dynamics to be a turn on, and am usually somewhat bored without it. I've been on both sides, but prefer the pluto end (mine is in the 7th), lol. Obsession seems to be a theme here too. Is that Ganesh in the background? If so, nice symbolism to go with the topic :)
I think it's Shiva🙂❣😍😍
I have this natal.
Ive never been violent or had any fights in relationships. I actually avoid conflict like the plague. But most of it is just a Bosslike Independence. I struggle with feeling people are trying to control me. If someone actually crosses that line, ill hold onto resentment for an eternity. The best way I can describe it is "I want to do it myself". If people put me in charge of things, I can come across as too controlling so ive let go of wanting any positions of power and prefer to jist be alone. Sexually aggressive with lovers, but never in an abusive or non-consenting way. Ive never "exploded" on someone or got in any physical fights. Most of it is verbal sparring representing "do what I want or go away" type energy.
I have a Sun Mars conjunction so this also hits my ego and things I enjoy in a competitive sense.
Edited to add: In synastry I have this with my mother. Im the Pluto and shes the Mars. Shes overbearing and Ive felt she was trying to control my life. She never let me have friends, and took thousands from me and would lash out for my not being like her. Shes a Scorpio Sun and has 6 squares to her Mars natally. My natal Mars square Pluto is the only square I have to my Mars. Ive never laid a hand on her, shes physically abused me, I still flinch when people raise their arm near me. Shes accused me of being a prostitute (i work in law enforcement btw) and would take clothes that made me too attractive. For some reason I came across as too sexy for her and she was always calling me a wh**e when I hit puberty even though id never even kissed a guy. I was invited to modeling agencies and shed turn them away. My Pluto wasnt afraid to stand up for myself and her Mars h*ted me for it. She would jump to conclusions all the time catching me off guard, and VERY controlling. Known as the Mother in Law from h*ll to my lover and my brother's wife.
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I had a 9month relationship with someone who has this aspect with me. I was a Mars conjunct Neptune, he was the square Pluto. Everything you have described is true. We have been split up for 6 years, and he still tries to get my reaction, even if he has to go through other people.
So true , I’m at the point where I can’t stand him no more
Thank you so much for this video. I needed this information. So much better than the computer generated explanations of this aspect. Thank you for helping me understand this aspect better. I am the "Mars person" lol.
Thank you so much 💗💗💗🌙🌙💗
Yep. Had this aspect with my ex. My mars is weak but she was very plutonic (with scorpio moon and all) and had a lot of insecurities. The resentment i had towards her was bitter bitter bitter. When I finally gave in to that anger, my virgo Mars was very very very aggressive and harmful. And the purpose was to *hurt*. Now I'll just avoid anybody with this aspect lol 👌
Thanks to having this natally, I also had this aspect in many of my relationships. Usually I was the Mars person and that felt somewhat better, but once I was the Pluto person, that was hell, it was a very abusive relationship, I still don't understand how I let him do all the things he did to me. I recognised at the end the extremely strong (and very unhealthy) obsession I felt towards him and I forced myself to stop the whole thing. Interestingly he was the one who seemed to get "high" on my emotional reactions to his provocations. I recognised that pattern too, I learned so much from this (thankfully short) relationship but it almost destroyed me, and resulted in me facing a lot of trauma from my past. Now I'm sort of involved in a dynamic with a friend where I am Mars and I feel these sado-masochistic urges withing me, I feel strong desire but it's a lot of lust there mostly. I really don't want to hurt people but there is this strong energy in me that wants to get out somehow.
Yes!!! This resonates soooo much!
OJ Simpson and Nicole Brown had this in their synastry chart. Hmmmmmmmm
thebluesheep2 Oj is a cancer. Cancers are usually sensitive. So his mars erupting makes sense.
blue sheep, just looked this up for OJ and Nichol and there it was the aspect I was looking for, I also have it with my ex husband ( 1 degree, he was Pluto ) and he was abusive to me....I also have it with my current boyfriend at 7 degrees, he's the Pluto and I have been mean to him on a few occasion, if drink to much ( I must watch this ) otherwise I don't get angry. We also have a lot of good stuff as well as passion Pluto stuff....amazing it's it...
Oh nah😭
You are so good at explanation about every aspect of the synastry... Thank you. I "found" you four days ago and I just can`t stop.:) Ohh, and I really really want you not to be right about this one... I have this aspect in a new relationship and now I`m so scared.
Petya Petrova look at the strength of each planet, mars and Pluto. Sometimes if mars and / or Pluto are not highly aspected or coming through a passive sign it can be a bit easier.
@@JewelMayberry Thank you, Jewel. Yes, you have said that in your video but I still can`t decide what to do with this "scary" aspect ... I neeeeeed you :) In fact it is not the only one... Plus his Venus conjunct my South node. It`s a real mess... I really need you to tell me just one word : "Try" or "Run!" :)
Can I ask, how did it end up? I have this with my current date and I'm damn scared.
@@sunfennt1311 It didn`t end ☺ It didn`t grow up in an ordinary love relationship either. We just meet from time to time. 🙂
@Petya Petrova but you aren't a couple anymore, did I get it correctly?!
great explanation, thank you
Finally someone who explains it well.
I have been pluto person many times in a connection where they already have this thing natally. It's bad, it should be avoided and as a pluto person I realy just lived my live and wanted peace. Mars goes wild and can be agressive.
Interesting. I have this in an exact aspect with a guy who liked me. He is mars and I am Pluto and I felt like he was pushy with his attraction for me when I didn’t feel the same way about him. Other factors to consider my Venus opposite his Neptune in exact aspect and my moon opposite his Uranus in a supplemental level.
Please, do the opposition! But I think the square and the opposition may have some things in common cause I've experienced some of the emotions you mentioned in this video... and me and that person (colleague of mine) didn't even get to be in a romantic relationship. I got scared of his constant outbursts and kept him at bay. We had both the conjunction and the opposition and the physical attraction was out of this world! I don't work with him anymore but I still think about him sometimes.
Have you ever seen this aspect in long-term relationships?(moon square pluto too)
So accurate ... thank you ✨
dont agree with Sexuality with this aspect. But attraction is immense and PLUTO demands a lot in relation even if its a casual friendship. Pluto becomes jealous and hurt and MARS seems ignorant and dont give proper attention due to Mars roaming nature like MARS person always busy in doing some projects and hardly give time to you and this way your emotions left unheard and unattended. Forget about explosive encounters and violence.
exactly
Have this double whammy in our synastry with my love interest....
a i l e n e is it abusive?
How does it play out?
I have the double whammy with this guy and it is crazy in every way imaginable. Intense sexual attraction that leads to very primal sex. Outside the bedroom, there’s a lot of unnecessary combativeness. The feeling like you can’t leave them alone and NEED to get a reaction out of them and whoever gets the biggest, most intense reaction “wins”. We also have pluto square moon and I usually end up “losing” and wind up in the more submissive/emotionally wounded position (I’m moon). It can quickly become an abusive tit-for-tat and I have to end it for my own piece of mind. But it’s hard to let go. I am usually very level headed and never argue, but I have fought more this with person than I have with everyone in my life put together...Dangerous and brings out a side in you that you didn’t know existed. Ugh.
I agree with amanda I have this with a coworker and we play fight a lot he gets kind of aggressive and hits too hard sometimes tho but I hit his ass back. It is kinda like a tit for tat we keep it going until I find it draining. im normally submissive / passive but he brings out a very primal animalistic side of me god only knows how intense our sex would be 😂
I'm sorry.
How does this play if the Natal mars is in retrograde?
i had mars square pluto aspect (my pluto) and (his Mars) and HE was the one trying to manipulate me, very jaleous, violent with words, restrictive, paranoia while i was almost submissive in this relationship so i think my pluto energies impact his Mars in the way where his behaviour reflect plutonic feelings. so hearing the pluto tries to manipulate the Mars and being pushy or forceful while i was the one enduring abuse it's not great. and not true.
Alexandra L. I agree. I was the Pluto person and he was Mars in leo, I had to run for the hills.
I agree. I was the Pluto, he was Mars. He was truly evil. He also had the square in natal.
I agree too. I was Mars and I was like a vampire. But Pluto was also manipulative, but not in an obvious way.
Also, I have this in my natal chart.
i feel like mars wants to impose his ways on pluto, but pluto does not agree with them and wants to transform their way of dealing with world. for example pisces mars might saying "women should be housewifes, stay in their female roles" and pluto in scorpio would be like " uh, oh honey, sexual liberation and equality!!! "
I agree. The mars person on my end causes all the drama, confusion and games. Like you’ve mentioned Ive been submissive, trying to talk things out , and compromise. I’m usually met with his ego and things don’t get resolved
I have this with someone, Im the pluto person but I feel he tries to manipulate me. Maybe subconsciously he feels Im manipulative but Im really not. Im just really attracted to him
honeybfly1980 How did it play out??
Accurate
I have this natally and with everyone my age...never seriously dated anyone my age. Have had encounters but they did not last
Please could you do the opposition to see the diffrences between the two hard aspects?
how do you see mars opposite pluto in synastry? with my 1degree mars in taurus i always had it with almost all men :D my pluto is 15degree scorpio...
Love your videos! ❤️ Any chance you could do a Mars opposite Pluto video?
but the sex, it's so gooood lol
I had my mars square this guy's pluto with his mars trine my pluto,
as well as hard neptune and uranus mars aspects(a lot of neptune/uranus aspects in general) and hooking up was so intense. We didn't have a lot of conversations though, and was a short-lived fling, so maybe that's why there are no hard feelings hahaha
Also I have mars square pluto in my own chart, so maybe I just appreciate it in general
I have mars square Pluto in my chart too and the guy I’m talking too we have it in our synastry too. 😬😬 but we also have our Venus and moons trining each other too. Well see how it plays out.
@@amberbrittany7546how did it play out?
@@user-eo9to7wd2t he was absuive asf to me esp when my dad died. I ran for the hills. Mf was very close to beating me too
I have mars square pluto in my natal chart, and in our synastry chart my mars square his pluto.. how we can interpret it?
5:36 LOL
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6:01 Jajajajajaja
Thank you, Jewel
hahahahahhahahahahaaaahhhhahahahhahahaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!thank you this is wonderful. i feel like im literally making a decision about this relationship. such friction!
Please can you do the opposition? I have such insight
I am the mars person and you know when i face this aspect with my person i blame the pluto not the pluto person but the pluto in him. I know it'll happen again and i am going to explode. But being aware of this aspect makes my explosion controlled explosion.
You are sooo right!
What about mars exact square to mars in synastry with Pluto in a semi square right n the middle
I have a - 61 square mars-pluto the reading says my Pluto sounds scorpionic and that It can modify my mars sign which is Virgo so I'm still trying to figure out how that works
My ex has his pluto square my mars at 0 30' and his pluto square my venus at 1 30'. I have natal pluto square venus and mars at 0 degrees. What you explain is exactly what our relationship has been like. We couldn't transcend it, the only way of keeping calm is keeping the distance.
Very dramatic & warlike. I had this aspect with an ex friend. Her Mars (Leo) & my Pluto (Scorpio). I don't think that I was controlling. From my perspective I was trying help her to evolve and transform consciously and she was stubborn in her ways. I'm sure she has her own perspective. I guess she just wanted to do her own thing and wasn't ready or just has her own path & karma. When you mention the sexual competition and attraction, I also felt that resonated. Her Pluto (Sag) squares my Venus (Virgo) as well, and her Mars conjuncts my asteroid Sappho. I rejected her sexually and only wanted to be friends. I was very honest that I didnt want to be in a sexual dynamic with her. I felt that she was ego bruised by this.
You say i don't think that i was conroling but you do it lokk wahat you say i want her to transform she's in independent and many thing tgise kind of think are called manipulation as mars person i'm tottaly agaunst that and i'm always on the mode of defense we fell how you try to manipukate and we hate that
He’s mars on Pisces but his mars is on my 8th house, sometimes I feel like he’s too sexual with me that he kinda scares me tbh 😶
can you do mars conjunct pluto in the composite chart?
Any insight on Mars ⬛ Pluto and Pluto ⬛ Mars in synastry??? On both sides!!! Two Aries sun's. 😬
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Lmao the song 🤣🤣🤣 god you're so accurate!! I'm the Mars and he's the Pluto and I just want to scream because his Pluto is so low-key but I'm also Plutonian or identify with the strong plutonian in my chart so I can FEEL how he is trying to control what I give my attention to and he wants it all to him even though I have Alot of other responsibilities.
I thought me and the person i am seeing almost have a perfect synastry chart compatibility until i saw how active this aspect is. His moon-venus conjunction's midpoint is in my sun. His uranus conjunct my asc. My venus-mars in cancer conjunction conjuncts his mars-jupiter conjunction in cancer, they all square his pluto-north node conjunction in libra but my mars squares his pluto the tightest (1°). Should i stop investing my time on this person already or should i give it a try?
I was dating this guy. His sun&Mercury conjunction is in Gemini and my rising is Gemini. We had a lot of conversations. His pluto in Scorpio square my Mars&sun in Aquarius. I admit there's sexual attraction there, but the thing is I couldn't bear him any more before we went there. He drove me crazy though Aquarius are supposed to be cool 😎.
Similar dynamic that I’m in ! Sun and Mars aqua and his sun and mercury Gemini with this aspect !
I have this aspect with my stepfather and he used to beat me up when i was a child. He never touched my mother or something. He just attacked the cat or me. Especially when he was drunk he came into my room at night and jumped on my bed and started choking me for no reason jelling like a madman. He came into my life when I was 6 Jears old and he did it until I ran away from home in the age of 18. I think I was a really nice little girl. Very shy and smart. I still ask myself why. Nobody ever gave me an answer why this guy was such an asshole to me.
zinilebt I love you
zinilebt sorry you went thru that omg do you still speak to your mom?
:( I'm so sorry sweetie, that makes me sad to read. I hope you find healing from such a traumatic experience.
Oh my god what a disgusting man
I hope you’re ok
5:55 I think I just died 😂
Jewel please tell me what synastry aspects are considerable too? You mention at the end that there are few...
i already have a square beetwen mars and pluto in my natal chart. Does that mean that I can be attractive for those of my generation ?
What it I have this aspect with my co-worker (I'm Pluto person)? Also our Plutos conjunct and his Moon square my Sun.
Thank you! :)
What is orb? Pluto 17 Virgo, Mars 5 Sag considered a square?
How do you know who the mars and who the pluto is from the composite chart?
thank you!
I have this natally as well. I find that this dynamic exist with people from my same Pluto in Scorpio generation, obvi right? And probably why I am more apt to date from the older Pluto in Libra generation. My mars in fixed in Aquarius and the subtle manipulation is a constant factor. I can't and won't battle someone all the time.
No necessarily, not everybody has the same mars, but Pluto is generational, the aspect no
What to do when you have this aspect with your siblings? Or worse, your parents??😖
I've question can scorpio moon and Aries moon work out
I feel like since my Leo Mars being in the 12th house subdues that firey element. I'm very non-confrontational. Both of our Plutos are Scorpio.
Me: Cancer Sun/Pisces Moon/Cancer Venus/Leo Mars
Him: Cancer Sun/Scorpio Moon/Taurus Venus/Cancer Mars
One thing we've talked about is domestic abuse and I have zero tolerance for it. I have never got a red flag from him that he would ever touch me... and I definitely don't fight
Really interesting ... a lot of water energy and having the 12th 'pisean' house mars like jewel mentioned ... do you think the above takes a lot of the drama out of it? Despite both having Pluto on home ground in scorpio?
How is this different from the opposition?
I have this with my boyfriend (I'm the Pluto) and he triggers me like noone else. I had numerous screaming fits because he manages to push my buttons. Yes it is a very aggressive aspect but we also have mercury opposite pluto and mercury square Mars.
I experienced the same with a guy before. I feel like mars is just a HUGE instigator. Its almost like they enjoy inflicting mentally and emotional pain to the pluto person.
@@joeyjojojuniorshabadoo5971 yes! Or maybe that's how it comes across to the Pluto person. But yeah sometimes he does it on purpose, sometimes he is just being himself (he is generally quite blunt)
I just gott hired at a new place of employment... I have a Pisces Mars square Pluto natally. And my new co worker has a Virgo Mars square Pluto natally. And we have a two way Mars square Pluto in synastry. There is definetly tension...
Don’t bother to defend yourself. Be like a tennis racket that just lets the barbs bounce off. “I’m rubber, your glue...” but don’t actually say it. The fight will be on if you issue any challenge. For both of you.
If both Mars and Pluto have it in retrograde natally how does that change it? Would it just manifest more inward rather than physically?
what’s it’s like when you have this aspect double whammy??
me watching as the pluto person who sucks at controlling anything let alone anyone: 👁️👄👁️
What if both you and the other person have all of the same placements, therefore both of you are the Mars and the Pluto person? What do you think would be happening then?
Unfortunately I have this square with almost everyone in my age group. I have this aspect natally
Same... the question is.. how do we ever win?
does this definition of the square also apply to the opposition or does it play out differently?
I have this aspect with someone. I'm pluto. And my mars is in his 8th house along with is own mars and I FEEL NOTHING. Why is that? His mars is in my 5th and his venus in my 1st.
I’m so sad now. Would you be able to do a synastry reading even if I don’t know his birth time?
I have Mars trining my Pluto and squaring the guys Pluto in scorp as my interest. He purposely entice me so I react to it, also fights for no apparent reason. Sorry fellows and dear Pluto's out here, we all have a Pluto somewhere. And trust me, we all want life our way that's the reality of the situation. In any case, Pluto person feels rejection very deeply and doesn't want that reaction visibly obvious, being Mars person and several other placements where I express myself without hesitation, that doesn't happen with Pluto person I can say this guaranteed. Mars is and always will be the dominant one period
If they have this aspect exact natally, don't they have it with most people their age? Do I still count it as a synastry aspect if that's the case?
I would love to know
Has to be within 5 degrees - 10 max
when will you do the opposition
how much would this be felt with an 8’ orb?
What if my mars is square his pluto and his mars is square my pluto ??
Can you please do Mars opp pluto please?