And yet all this diversity in the Russian civil war as problematic, and I am not even going to get into the Cyrillic alphabet in regard to the people’s .
Great to finally see the Greens of the civil war being given the spotlight that they deserve. Barely anyone pays attention to their contributions to the conflict at all. Amazing video, overall
I've been reading a lot about the Yakut Uprising of 1923 lately, widely considered to be the final showdown of the Russian Civil War. The entire conflict is fascinating, and really gives a renewed perspective on the relatively "clean" and aberrant American Civil War. Most civil wars fought throughout history tend to devolve into multifaceted, confusing and brutal conflicts. Most do not consist of a simple 2 sides fighting on a set of core issues. Thanks for the continued videos since November 2018!
Even the American Civil War is more complicated, like the degree to which the Confederates actually centrally controlled their own army, which was tenuous at times, and the attempts at expanding to the west and getting sympathetic tribes on their side.
@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 The Federal Army called it The War Of The Rebellion and the Confederate States called it The War Of Secession. Leaders on both sides called it the Civil War. If the Confederacy had conquered the capital in Washington, it might have been known as the Second American Revolution. Washington was so close to the main Confederate army, but was ringed by many troops in well defended fortifications. The Confederacy could have gotten their way if George McClelland had been elected president in 1864 as many thought until a few months before. I know of no other country that held an election for national leadership during a civil war.
17:37 I'm from Bulgaria, where wood burning ovens are still the predominant form of heating. Heating units are expensive and out of reach for most Bulgarians, smaller electric heating units are too weak, so wood burning ovens are still the predominant form of heating. The heat is really strong and you can cook on the ovens. Some even have come compartments for baking. Anyway, that said, you need to set up the oven to burn correctly. In order to do this you needed to start with easy to burn materials such as paper, then work your way up gradually to logs. As a result, burning books is fairly common and does not have the same connotation as it does in the West where books are considered sacred. This is also why you hear the story of Romanians using bibles as toilet paper, even though Romanians were always very religious, since paper was also used as toilet paper (by grandpa preferred newspapers). I'm guessing it's the same in Russia at the time but I'm not sure.
That's a very interesting perspective. For once I learned something new from the comment section. Is wood burning ovens commonplace all over Bulgaria or is it only in the country?
@@TheCimbrianBull Usually everywhere except Apartment complexes, those have more conventional heating. People are used to it, and a lot of utilities such as electricity are expensive. I'm from Varna where it doesn't get that cold, but places in the interior have it much worse.
Houses in Russian villages use these wood burning ovens. I have seen this in "Yea Russia" UA-cam episodes. In rural areas of the USA a hundred years ago, people read the Sears Catalog in the outhouse, then ripped out pages for toilet paper.
Just a bit of sound insulation, even hanging a couple blankets up, would really help the audio quality on these at home videos. Thanks for keeping the content going!!
Jagenau, ein Lavalier Mikrofon wäre schonmal ein Gewinn, und wenigstens eine Decke dicht hinter der Kamera. Ob die DeVerb Tools was bringen, ohne, dass es unnatürlich klingt müsste man versuchen. Ich versuchs gene mal mit dem SPL Transient Designer ...
the solution is that next month Jesse should be able to travel to the studio again. We thought for improvising a studio in a living room and needing to film by himself, this was the best quality we could get and pretty happy with it. Nothing beats the studio of course.
@@TheGreatWar I have enjoyed the broadcasts from Jesse's living room. I did not find the sound quality to be a distraction. IMO you all have done well in trying times. My compliments to Jesse and Flo.
Superb episode. I confess I was scared of the changes that the end of WW1 brought, knowing that Indy would leave the channel, but I'm glad you guys are doing better each video. I'm really enjoying each new video you guys make ^^
The Russian Civil War parties are picking up colors: "Why do I have to be Pink?!"
4 роки тому+3
Because you TOLERATE Bolshevic atrocities....in an awkward attempt to feign objectiveness.....which doesn't apply when one group (the Bolshevics) oppose all civil rights, property rights, and legal "due process."
I love this. I lived in Russia and speak Russian (I'm American), and generally "understand" most of this (having spent time in the Baltic states, Poland, Belarus and Ukraine as well). However, trying to explain the region and history to others is difficult. There are great resources to use collectively to learn about the history, and to both cut through and understand the varying national interpretations. The Russian civil war was a number of civil wars with varying results and social implications. It can be overwhelming. But it's important. On UA-cam - free or for pay - are great films: The Polish film Katyn The Polish film Hatred The Russian film Admiral The film about Estonia, The Singing Revolution The film Mr Jones The Latvian film Blizzard of Souls The film Karol: A Man Who Became Pope The audiobook Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin
"Commissar! The peasants.. . the rural proletariat.... are revolting!" "They certainly are! But thanks to our glorious revolution they and all the other oppressed masses will soonbe boasting much better hygiene."
Kulaks usually being peasants with more than 300 dollars (unadjusted) in assets. Kill the thrifty and industrious, who do you have left? What you don't have is an effective opposition.
kudos on another great episode! Every history i have seen/read ends with the exit of the Whites and never mentions the Greens seriously. you are exceptional for having done what the others don't.
Remember the Zaporizhia! The submarine that the Russians gave the city which paid for the new batteries necessary for the submarine to sail and submerge. It was surrounded during sea trials and some of the sailors effectively defected giving the now working submarine back to the Russians. It is a rough looking submarine but Zaporizhia has reasons to be very proud of their sub. I was given a Ukrainian Submarine Captain's Uniform which I wear proudly with my own Transcendian flag pinned to it. It was bought for me by a supporter of Transcendia. It is an honor to be considered competent enough to deserve submarine captaincy. Thank you Ken Otterson wherever you may be. Great leaders turn to great engineers to help them solve their problems.
Me at 4:27, Oh the Soviets are being led by a 26 year old, well maybe the experienced generals of the Whites can win in the South Oh, the 26 year old is Tuchachevsky? Never mind. Call it quits boy.
@@MemoryOfTheAncestors Yes. And in the end, the only thanks he got for his dedicated (and blood-soaked) service to the Soviet state was to be tortured to death on Stalin's orders. We actually have the document that he signed to confess his "treachery" and its spattered in his own blood.
First time I hear the peasants revolts being referred to as "green". Thanks for bringing some light into this chaos of events that mindboggles me every time I read a book on this.
i feel like we need a film centered on the fall of the whites, it must've felt uniquely apocalyptic for those last few redoubts of anti communists against the red tide.
You realise you're talking about a political movement that wanted serfdom and autocracy, right? The whites weren't a "Western democratic" force. They were Tsarists.
@ROMAnski serfdom was abolished in 1860's... on paper. But the land ownership situation persisted the previous order. How many peasant rebellions were in that period right after abolishment alone? Plus it's nice of you to try and paint people, who wanted to destroyy new nations like Poland and hang their leaders as traitors to Empire in a posititve light:D
It was so hard for me to find a series on this that is as descriptive yet easy enough to understand. It's so interesting to know this revolution wasn't as simple as federalist vs revolutionary like most civil wars are. Great video!
It is striking how many different groups opposed the Bolsheviks, who were surely only able to keep their claws on power due to the disunity of their opponents and the fact that they rose up at different times, so the reds could transfer their forces to fight in turn Ukrainian nationalists, Makhno's anarchists, Whites, Poles and peasant rebels. I used to feel sorry for Tukhachevsky as a hero of the Red Army falsely denounced for treason, tortured and executed by the regime he had served in Stalin's great purge. However, Tukhachevsky had played his part in the regime's violent oppression of the poorer people in whose name it claimed to govern by suppressing the peasant uprisings.
The mobility strategies that were pioneered by the Reds has defined Russia battle doctrine ever since. Russian generals would develop Deep Battle Doctrine with battle spaces stretching thousands of miles. The Russian Airborne Troops are an independent command largely becuase they exist to plug gaps, reinforce pockets and harass rear elements.
Mr. Alexander I am most impressed with your ability to make some sense of this incredibly complex morass which followed Russia's withdrawal form WW1 and subsequent revolution. It is mind boggling to say the least. I plan on watching all of your content, I must admit I sometimes have to watch an episode more than once to feel I am grasping what you have to say..., excellent job Jesse!!
A great episode! For me, it is one of the "best of's" in my opinion. I also greatly appreciate your choice of quotes. Thank you Jesse for your extensive research about the dark years of civil war in Russian history for both reasons that they were very bloody back then and also totally unknown to non-Russians like me, 100 years later.
Interesting and informative. Excellent photography job enabling viewers to better understand what/whom the orator is describing. Enjoyed viewing the Calvary film 🎥 footage.
*“The hens are enraged, as they all plan to raise spring chicks, so they rebel. Hens lay eggs in the rafters at first, but Napoleon cuts their rations”* -Animal Farm
Kulak Rebel Zac reporting, here to overthrow RealTime History's Patreon control over Colorado! (raising his weedwacker and beef jerky)The Devils of Jessie's Living Room shall no longer requisition our voluntary donations here! Otherwise, great work Flo and company ^_^.
11:50 Bela Kun is one of the organizers of the Red Terror in Crimea. After their victory, the Bolsheviks executed about 40,000-60,000 (some versions estimate the number of victims at 100,000-150,000) soldiers and officers of the White Army and their supporters who did not have time to evacuate.
are there any other sources than from the Whites themselves about this though? We thought about including it but it was very hard to verify any numbers. Not that this is a surprise in this conflict.
@@TheGreatWar SMERSH was still tracking down former Whites and executing them well into late 1946 so not out of the realm of possibility that mass executions happened after the Fall of Wrangel. I believe the last organized White unit to see combat was actually in China vs either Muslim bandits or the Red Chinese in 1949,wished I had a source to prove it here but it's out there somewhere
@@drinkstout8018 Yes. The White movement was the most dangerous enemy of the USSR from 1920 to 1950. In the 1920s and 1930s, a secret war was fought between the White Emigration and the USSR. Soviet spies killed the most reputable white leaders: Wrangel, Kutepov, Yudenich. The whites killed Soviet politics in Europe and terrorist acts on the territory of the Soviet Union. In 1945-1950, the NKVD and the Red Army liquidated the white communities in the territories under their control in Eastern Europe and Manchuria. Thousands of Russian emigrants were arrested or repressed.
@@TheGreatWar Sadly, UA-cam obscured my big commentary on alternative sources and current research. I'll try to write a short answer with the most important thing. The most authoritative red source is the report of Mirsaid Sultan-Gareev for Stalin and Dzerzhinsky on the situation in the Crimea in April 1921. He claims that by March 1921 20,000-25,000 people were victims of terror, according to unofficial figures from a report the number of killed 70,000. This document contains separate statistics for major cities. Many researchers believe that these data are incomplete. 1) Several thousand more people were killed during the capture of Crimea by the Red Army. 2) The executions continued after March, when the report was written, and was completed in late 1921. A figure of 40,000-50,000 looks plausible when these factors are taken into account.
Great video! If anyone is still hungry to learn more about the white army's movements, Pyotr Wrangel's memoirs "Always with Honor" is back in print and available on amazon, and is a hefty read
It might help if you were to record from a sofa maybe draw the curtain and pin up a throwon the wall. it'll cut down on the echo and improve the sound quality.
This is what happens when you establish a proletariat dictatorship in a mostly peasant country (80% of population were peasants vs. >5% of factory workers). Bolshevicks actually were brutal alien invaders in Russia.
The Bolsheviks were financially helped by very wealthy financiers in Wall Street New York (this is very well known and all documented and online) Lenin spent most of his time living snug in Switzerland the home of many top international bankers, again all documented and online.
im surprised you passed over Lavr Kornilov's character which at the time was Denikin's superior and at the time was viewed as one of the greatest enemy of the Revolution
Brilliant work Jesse.🧶 A critical lesson for us all....🔑 For the life of me, I will never understand why, after the death of Polish leader, Marshall Pilsudski in May 1935, who maintained good relations with Germany, that a Catholic Poland, well knowing the horrific consequences.... would not align, as Finland did with Germany...against her number one threat to her very existence, The godless, murderous swarm that was the Soviet Union. Go Habs!🏒🏆 25 Baby!
During the war, military communism was established, grain was taken from the peasants ( left for sowing and food) to feed the population of cities. As the civil war ended, the surplus was canceled, and a food tax was introduced. The food tax was levied "in the form of a percentage or share deduction from the products produced on the farm, based on the accounting of the harvest, the number of consumers in the farm and the presence of livestock in it." The prodnalog was established as a progressive tax, with an increase in the severity of taxation for the Kulak part of the village. The farms of the poorest peasants were exempt from the food tax. The size of the prodnalog was significantly smaller than the prodrazverstki. If according to the prodrazverstke in 1920-1921, the peasants handed over 367 million pounds of grain to the state, then the food tax in 1921-1922 was determined at 240 million pounds, in reality, even less was collected due to crop failure.
Lenin loved the working class , and hated the upper class , for example he ordered his soldiers to slaughter the russian royal family ( Romanovs ) . Lenin also hated the peasants ( 80% of the population ! ) , he was happy when his Boshevik soldiers were terrorizing the peasants ( demanding food and killing many peasants ) , Lenin represented the working class ( not the bourgois ( he had many of them killed ! ) , and not the peasants ( he terrorrized and had many of them killed aswell ) , the Bolsheviks went from being the oppressed ( under Tzar's regime ) to becoming the oprressors
There was an episode in the past, where you had the echo in your room somewhat under control (either on set, or in post). It would be music to my ears, if you coud try to improve that again.
Something the other day made me start thinking about different revolutions throughout history. I think it was mainly how the American revolution is one of the only violent revolutions throughout history that actually resulted in a mostly peaceful country directly after the fact. The obvious reason for that is because the social order remained largely unchanged. Those who locally held power before the revolution still held power after the revolution. For the average citizen or slave, nothing really changed. That isn't as remarkable as you might think. To my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong), almost all of the rebellions in Latin America in the 1810's also basically resulted in the same colonial landed gentry staying in power, however most of those countries would descend into chaos within a few years. Maybe America could have gone down the same path as Colombia or Mexico. That led me to think about violent revolutions in which the social order was completely overturned. The French revolution, the Russian revolution, the Haitian revolution, more recently the Libyan revolution. In all of those cases, the initial revolution was only the start of the bloodshed, and none of them resulted in prosperity for the people. Does that say something about revolution vs. reform? I'm not sure. It kind of does, but try telling a Haitian slave in 1790 that slow reform is the way to go, or a Russian peasant in 1916. Their social order was broken. Maybe there was no other way out. Basically, I think that those revolutions all ultimately failed in their goals. Does that mean violent overthrow of a tyrannical government is wrong? Not necessarily. The results were wrong, but the people were not wrong for trying.
The core issue with the Latin American rebellions was the racial caste system. The majority of the population was non white, so whoever could get the support from the non whites could win the wars. The rebels who first tried to just do a standard American style revolution, led to the Spanish gathering non whites to fight for their cause and subsequently defeating them. In the end, this forced the revolutionaries to take more conciliatory stances, such as phasing slavery out and equal rights for racial minorities.
Of the three great revolutions of world history (American, French, Russian) or even the 6 or so you listed, the American Revolution is the only one inacted by a slave owning aristocracy and a merchant middle class. It was not a revolution of ideology, but of the rights of British citizens against the Parliament. Class cooperation ensured that the Revolution met it's goals. All others, by inventing new rights and by fermenting class division resulted in misery and terror.
Reds, Whites, Blacks, Greens. Welcome to the Russian Civil War. Love the episode, great work.
And yet all this diversity in the Russian civil war as problematic, and I am not even going to get into the Cyrillic alphabet in regard to the people’s .
Blacks, greens, reds anything that fights against the status quo can’t be all bad
@Klaidi Rubiku imsiding with the whites as a white supremacist I am
Also warlords, bandits, separatists, and rebels
@@danisawesome4214 the status quo of not murdering tens of millions.
>Only the regions around Petrograd and Moscow could be considered calm
Jesus, it's a wonder there was anyone left in Russia by the mid 1920s
Another 3 years and there might not have been.
And Stalin was still yet to come
@@marcvsivnivsbrvtvs and hitler.
Kicking the Romanovs was totally worth it. I guess
Kicking the Romanovs was totally worth it. I guess
The Russian Civil Wars sound like bloody, desperate affairs with nasty consequences for many involved on both sides. Great job.
True
And consequences for the rest of the world
@Blaz Blaz---That would make for a very interesting "What If."
@@adamradziwill---Those are some terrible examples of cannibalism. Thanks for sharing.
Sounds exactly like every other civil war in history around the world.
Great to finally see the Greens of the civil war being given the spotlight that they deserve. Barely anyone pays attention to their contributions to the conflict at all. Amazing video, overall
@Wisty Boy bro you just posted cringe u are goign 2 loose sucriber!!!
I agree this is the first time I’ve heard of the peasant revolution
@Wisty Boy
How *dare* you?!
I've been reading a lot about the Yakut Uprising of 1923 lately, widely considered to be the final showdown of the Russian Civil War. The entire conflict is fascinating, and really gives a renewed perspective on the relatively "clean" and aberrant American Civil War. Most civil wars fought throughout history tend to devolve into multifaceted, confusing and brutal conflicts. Most do not consist of a simple 2 sides fighting on a set of core issues. Thanks for the continued videos since November 2018!
You talking about general Anatoly Pepelyayev yakutian raid in 1923-24?
The US "Civil" War is an aberrant alright. It wasn't even a civil war in the strictest sense, only a war against seccession...
Ohlourdes Padua correct. It was not a civil war, as the Confederacy didn’t seek control of the federal government.
Even the American Civil War is more complicated, like the degree to which the Confederates actually centrally controlled their own army, which was tenuous at times, and the attempts at expanding to the west and getting sympathetic tribes on their side.
@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 The Federal Army called it The War Of The Rebellion and the Confederate States called it The War Of Secession. Leaders on both sides called it the Civil War. If the Confederacy had conquered the capital in Washington, it might have been known as the Second American Revolution. Washington was so close to the main Confederate army, but was ringed by many troops in well defended fortifications.
The Confederacy could have gotten their way if George McClelland had been elected president in 1864 as many thought until a few months before. I know of no other country that held an election for national leadership during a civil war.
17:37 I'm from Bulgaria, where wood burning ovens are still the predominant form of heating. Heating units are expensive and out of reach for most Bulgarians, smaller electric heating units are too weak, so wood burning ovens are still the predominant form of heating. The heat is really strong and you can cook on the ovens. Some even have come compartments for baking. Anyway, that said, you need to set up the oven to burn correctly. In order to do this you needed to start with easy to burn materials such as paper, then work your way up gradually to logs. As a result, burning books is fairly common and does not have the same connotation as it does in the West where books are considered sacred. This is also why you hear the story of Romanians using bibles as toilet paper, even though Romanians were always very religious, since paper was also used as toilet paper (by grandpa preferred newspapers). I'm guessing it's the same in Russia at the time but I'm not sure.
That's a very interesting perspective. For once I learned something new from the comment section. Is wood burning ovens commonplace all over Bulgaria or is it only in the country?
@@TheCimbrianBull Usually everywhere except Apartment complexes, those have more conventional heating. People are used to it, and a lot of utilities such as electricity are expensive. I'm from Varna where it doesn't get that cold, but places in the interior have it much worse.
@@TheDirtysouthfan thanks for the answer. 👍
Wouldn't books be far too expensive to use as tinder?
Houses in Russian villages use these wood burning ovens. I have seen this in "Yea Russia" UA-cam episodes.
In rural areas of the USA a hundred years ago, people read the Sears Catalog in the outhouse, then ripped out pages for toilet paper.
"The only UA-cam channel whose comment section can, at times, seem like a peasant uprising." Comedy gold!
Is it comedy if it's also true?
Sharpening pitchfork ............
@@NyatashaAce If you think it might be true you obviously haven't seen many UA-cam comment sections.
Just what I was thinking.
@@TiciaM Peasants are revolting!
Considering how the British army fared in regards to disease during the Crimean War, that critique from the British officer says alot.
Or it can be just misleading to brighten up their own attitude to common people.
Just a bit of sound insulation, even hanging a couple blankets up, would really help the audio quality on these at home videos. Thanks for keeping the content going!!
Jagenau, ein Lavalier Mikrofon wäre schonmal ein Gewinn, und wenigstens eine Decke dicht hinter der Kamera. Ob die DeVerb Tools was bringen, ohne, dass es unnatürlich klingt müsste man versuchen. Ich versuchs gene mal mit dem SPL Transient Designer ...
the solution is that next month Jesse should be able to travel to the studio again. We thought for improvising a studio in a living room and needing to film by himself, this was the best quality we could get and pretty happy with it. Nothing beats the studio of course.
@@TheGreatWar I have enjoyed the broadcasts from Jesse's living room. I did not find the sound quality to be a distraction. IMO you all have done well in trying times. My compliments to Jesse and Flo.
The Great War Hey, I'm just glad we still get to enjoy the content, and appreciate all of your hard work! You're doing great
@@hlynnkeith9334 ...and the rest of the team! :P
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
"Yeah, but his hat is different."
Superb episode. I confess I was scared of the changes that the end of WW1 brought, knowing that Indy would leave the channel, but I'm glad you guys are doing better each video. I'm really enjoying each new video you guys make ^^
thanks
Jesse, you doing this job righteously.
The shoes you are wearing are truly your own.
The Russian Civil War parties are picking up colors:
"Why do I have to be Pink?!"
Because you TOLERATE Bolshevic atrocities....in an awkward attempt to feign objectiveness.....which doesn't apply when one group (the Bolshevics) oppose all civil rights, property rights, and legal "due process."
"wtf is periwinkle?"
AAhhaaHaa......
Because then everyone wants to be the "Black Party"...
(most underrated comment on yt)
I love this. I lived in Russia and speak Russian (I'm American), and generally "understand" most of this (having spent time in the Baltic states, Poland, Belarus and Ukraine as well). However, trying to explain the region and history to others is difficult.
There are great resources to use collectively to learn about the history, and to both cut through and understand the varying national interpretations. The Russian civil war was a number of civil wars with varying results and social implications. It can be overwhelming. But it's important.
On UA-cam - free or for pay - are great films:
The Polish film Katyn
The Polish film Hatred
The Russian film Admiral
The film about Estonia, The Singing Revolution
The film Mr Jones
The Latvian film Blizzard of Souls
The film Karol: A Man Who Became Pope
The audiobook Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin
I just learned about the Cheka recently
"Commissar! The peasants.. . the rural proletariat.... are revolting!"
"They certainly are! But thanks to our glorious revolution they and all the other oppressed masses will soonbe boasting much better hygiene."
Rural Proletariat would be hired agricultural workers.
Kulaks usually being peasants with more than 300 dollars (unadjusted) in assets. Kill the thrifty and industrious, who do you have left? What you don't have is an effective opposition.
@@jrt818 No, the kulaks were those who *were renting the means of production* or hiring the labor for more than 50 days per year.
The peasants arent proles
kudos on another great episode!
Every history i have seen/read ends with the exit of the Whites and never mentions the Greens seriously. you are exceptional for having done what the others don't.
Thanks, I have over the years suspected the peasants did get pissed and rise up.
So this illustrated my suspicions.
Thanks!
The "Greens" foolishly reject even a temporary alliance with the "Whites" to defeat the "Reds," a strategem which was STUPID!!!
08:08 Zaporizhia is my native city. But it was called Aleksandrovsk at that time
What does the new name mean?
@@TheCimbrianBull it means "place behind the Dnipro rapids"
Remember the Zaporizhia! The submarine that the Russians gave the city which paid for the new batteries necessary for the submarine to sail and submerge. It was surrounded during sea trials and some of the sailors effectively defected giving the now working submarine back to the Russians. It is a rough looking submarine but Zaporizhia has reasons to be very proud of their sub. I was given a Ukrainian Submarine Captain's Uniform which I wear proudly with my own Transcendian flag pinned to it. It was bought for me by a supporter of Transcendia. It is an honor to be considered competent enough to deserve submarine captaincy. Thank you Ken Otterson wherever you may be. Great leaders turn to great engineers to help them solve their problems.
@@kiliang89 Thank you.
I’m really impressed by this channel having old films of the Great War
Fun fact. At one point (1913-1914) future general Wrangel was under command of future Hetman Skoropadky.
Me at 4:27, Oh the Soviets are being led by a 26 year old, well maybe the experienced generals of the Whites can win in the South
Oh, the 26 year old is Tuchachevsky? Never mind. Call it quits boy.
Incidentally, it was he who was responsible for the use of chemical weapons against Antonov's peasants.
Another red commander, Jeronimas Uborevicius, began to command the army at age 23.
@@MemoryOfTheAncestors Yes. And in the end, the only thanks he got for his dedicated (and blood-soaked) service to the Soviet state was to be tortured to death on Stalin's orders. We actually have the document that he signed to confess his "treachery" and its spattered in his own blood.
Most comprehensive doc on Russian civil war I have seen thanks! I can't get enough
Are we gonna ignore how that soldier started break dancing 1920s version at 2:43?😤😂
Also, great video! I love the channel!
Thanks!
First time I hear the peasants revolts being referred to as "green". Thanks for bringing some light into this chaos of events that mindboggles me every time I read a book on this.
An outstanding, unbiased series!☺
i feel like we need a film centered on the fall of the whites, it must've felt uniquely apocalyptic for those last few redoubts of anti communists against the red tide.
You realise you're talking about a political movement that wanted serfdom and autocracy, right?
The whites weren't a "Western democratic" force. They were Tsarists.
@ROMAnski serfdom was abolished in 1860's... on paper. But the land ownership situation persisted the previous order. How many peasant rebellions were in that period right after abolishment alone?
Plus it's nice of you to try and paint people, who wanted to destroyy new nations like Poland and hang their leaders as traitors to Empire in a posititve light:D
@Klaidi Rubiku very sober words from you. Now use that attitude to all sides involved, internal and external included:D
@@NyatashaAce So?
@@NyatashaAce what are you talking about? They were educated Russian people who respect order. What's all
I LOVEEEEEEEEEEE THE CONCEPT THIS CHANNEL IS BASED ON
A peasant pitchfork uprising? Soon, Jesse, you will come to realize that anarchist peasants are the best peasants!
*Nestor Makhno intensifies*
Makhno 🏴🖤
Could you talk about what was going on in Central Asia during the Russian Cival War?
yes, we will make an episode about that this summer.
I caught that little Hobbes quote you sneaky devil.
Thank U! Andrei, 25yo, Tambov province.
28:10 What did you say!? *grabs a pitchfork*
2:42 - 2:52
Those moves, dayum!
It was so hard for me to find a series on this that is as descriptive yet easy enough to understand. It's so interesting to know this revolution wasn't as simple as federalist vs revolutionary like most civil wars are. Great video!
Very nicely done. In complete sentences. How refreshing. Thanks.
"One witness recalled the scene." Then it cut to commercial with Stephen Colbert shouting "Whooo!"
pandemic or not, you're still crushing it!
Greatest sign-off line ever! XD
It is striking how many different groups opposed the Bolsheviks, who were surely only able to keep their claws on power due to the disunity of their opponents and the fact that they rose up at different times, so the reds could transfer their forces to fight in turn Ukrainian nationalists, Makhno's anarchists, Whites, Poles and peasant rebels. I used to feel sorry for Tukhachevsky as a hero of the Red Army falsely denounced for treason, tortured and executed by the regime he had served in Stalin's great purge. However, Tukhachevsky had played his part in the regime's violent oppression of the poorer people in whose name it claimed to govern by suppressing the peasant uprisings.
The mobility strategies that were pioneered by the Reds has defined Russia battle doctrine ever since. Russian generals would develop Deep Battle Doctrine with battle spaces stretching thousands of miles.
The Russian Airborne Troops are an independent command largely becuase they exist to plug gaps, reinforce pockets and harass rear elements.
Jessie, I would like to commend the high quality of your research and presentation. Very informative.
Thanks - appropriately I saw a few Wildschweine myself yesterday.
Don't you think the peasants were partly responsible for the starvation in the city?
It sees that the Hammer is hitting the Sickle now that the Eagle has flown the coop.
Very astute observation! 😀
The Eagle will rise again !!!
Really great stuff, thank you. This is UA-cam at its best.
Mr. Alexander I am most impressed with your ability to make some sense of this incredibly complex morass which followed Russia's withdrawal form WW1 and subsequent revolution. It is mind boggling to say the least. I plan on watching all of your content, I must admit I sometimes have to watch an episode more than once to feel I am grasping what you have to say..., excellent job Jesse!!
Thanks!
I am going to be watching The Russian Revolution in Color this weekend on this. Smithsonian Channel gives me a chance to learn more about that.
Oh boi, prepare for some revisionism
@phillyphan420 yes I already got it que up Wednesday.
@phillyphan420 Philosophy is different with each country during The Great War at the time. This is a film documentary, 2 parter.
@Jay Blake it's Smithsonian Channel aka history channel. Not a espionage thing. Why did I call it history? That channel is not the same over decades.
The “Green”, hmmm never heard of that before👌
• another great insightful commentary, thanks for the UA-cam post !
Fascinating. I hope the Allied involvement in the Wars is discussed;the AEF Siberia is a forgotten segment of US history, for instance.
We discussed it quite a bit in our previous episodes about the Russian Civil War, and we will again in the future.
Jesse Alexander thanks! Will def ck it out
I'm sure that this was covered back in late 1917 (Series 4) or 1918 (Series 5).
phillyphan420 I’ll definitely check it out. Thanks!
A great episode! For me, it is one of the "best of's" in my opinion. I also greatly appreciate your choice of quotes. Thank you Jesse for your extensive research about the dark years of civil war in Russian history for both reasons that they were very bloody back then and also totally unknown to non-Russians like me, 100 years later.
Thanks a lot Rabih!
Interesting and informative. Excellent photography job enabling viewers to better understand what/whom the orator is describing. Enjoyed viewing the Calvary film 🎥 footage.
This is one of the weirdest parts of the Russian civil war just tied with the rest of it.
Odd to think this video is almost half a decade old
*“The hens are enraged, as they all plan to raise spring chicks, so they rebel. Hens lay eggs in the rafters at first, but Napoleon cuts their rations”* -Animal Farm
Kulak Rebel Zac reporting, here to overthrow RealTime History's Patreon control over Colorado! (raising his weedwacker and beef jerky)The Devils of Jessie's Living Room shall no longer requisition our voluntary donations here! Otherwise, great work Flo and company ^_^.
Revolt !! This is unacceptable !
(Sorry, I'm still practicing my pitchfork uprising)
11:50 Bela Kun is one of the organizers of the Red Terror in Crimea. After their victory, the Bolsheviks executed about 40,000-60,000 (some versions estimate the number of victims at 100,000-150,000) soldiers and officers of the White Army and their supporters who did not have time to evacuate.
are there any other sources than from the Whites themselves about this though? We thought about including it but it was very hard to verify any numbers. Not that this is a surprise in this conflict.
@@TheGreatWar SMERSH was still tracking down former Whites and executing them well into late 1946 so not out of the realm of possibility that mass executions happened after the Fall of Wrangel.
I believe the last organized White unit to see combat was actually in China vs either Muslim bandits or the Red Chinese in 1949,wished I had a source to prove it here but it's out there somewhere
@@drinkstout8018 Yes. The White movement was the most dangerous enemy of the USSR from 1920 to 1950. In the 1920s and 1930s, a secret war was fought between the White Emigration and the USSR. Soviet spies killed the most reputable white leaders: Wrangel, Kutepov, Yudenich. The whites killed Soviet politics in Europe and terrorist acts on the territory of the Soviet Union. In 1945-1950, the NKVD and the Red Army liquidated the white communities in the territories under their control in Eastern Europe and Manchuria. Thousands of Russian emigrants were arrested or repressed.
@@TheGreatWar Sadly, UA-cam obscured my big commentary on alternative sources and current research. I'll try to write a short answer with the most important thing. The most authoritative red source is the report of Mirsaid Sultan-Gareev for Stalin and Dzerzhinsky on the situation in the Crimea in April 1921. He claims that by March 1921 20,000-25,000 people were victims of terror, according to unofficial figures from a report the number of killed 70,000. This document contains separate statistics for major cities. Many researchers believe that these data are incomplete. 1) Several thousand more people were killed during the capture of Crimea by the Red Army. 2) The executions continued after March, when the report was written, and was completed in late 1921. A figure of 40,000-50,000 looks plausible when these factors are taken into account.
@@jangrosek4334 i am not surprised, youtube has become too censoring unfortunately, i give it a year before it dead like myspace.
Nicely done. All clear and visible.
Another great video! Very well done and very informative!!
Great video!
If anyone is still hungry to learn more about the white army's movements,
Pyotr Wrangel's memoirs "Always with Honor" is back in print and available on amazon, and is a hefty read
Thank you Jessie, great video once again
"Macknovitchina intensifies"
*Nestor Makhno nods in agreement*
Kronstadt server soon in your revolution
Great episode as always.
It might help if you were to record from a sofa maybe draw the curtain and pin up a throwon the wall. it'll cut down on the echo and improve the sound quality.
This is what happens when you establish a proletariat dictatorship in a mostly peasant country (80% of population were peasants vs. >5% of factory workers). Bolshevicks actually were brutal alien invaders in Russia.
2:50 DUAL WIELDING!
May I suggest a sound-dampening curtain to reduce echo?
I really feel bad for all the Russians who live in the 20th century
Can't wait for you guys to cover the Holodomor in 13 years
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Pretty sure the Great War series will end in 1923
Indy already covered the Holodomor in the Between 2 Wars series.
@Aggressive Tubesock Tankie spotted
Aggressive Tubesock
Dunning-Krueger effect im action. Enjoy your view from mount stupid.
3:02 is the base for resident evil 1.5. 2, and 3 's outside ambience
13:07 sounded like a Star wars robot
0:25 Soviet Army water flask detected on the upper shelf
Another fantastic video Jesse Alexander.
Great video. The "history channel" could learn a thing or two from your series.
Keep up the great work!!
Delivery of my living room was perfect
Excellent video, Jesse & Team.
I love your content and have been binging your videos the past month
I think there were peasant revolts every 3 or 4 years throughout the Romanov's 3 centuries. The peasants always lose. And they never learn.
You guys should do a special on the anarchist black forces in the Ukraine.
we did a Ukraine focused episode last year, maybe we will revisit the topic again.
@@TheGreatWar a focus on Makhno would be amazing!
another excellent episode.
I would like to know where the materials and funding came for each side. Now that would be some real insight to how the world works.
The Bolsheviks were financially helped by very wealthy financiers in Wall Street New York (this is very well known and all documented and online) Lenin spent most of his time living snug in Switzerland the home of many top international bankers, again all documented and online.
im surprised you passed over Lavr Kornilov's character which at the time was Denikin's superior and at the time was viewed as one of the greatest enemy of the Revolution
Brilliant work Jesse.🧶
A critical lesson for us all....🔑
For the life of me, I will never understand why, after the death of Polish leader, Marshall Pilsudski in May 1935, who maintained good relations with Germany, that a Catholic Poland, well knowing the horrific consequences.... would not align, as Finland did with Germany...against her number one threat to her very existence, The godless, murderous swarm that was the Soviet Union.
Go Habs!🏒🏆 25 Baby!
Perhaps they read Mein Kampf and knew Hitler's views on the Slavs and on the German expansion into Eastern Europe.
During the war, military communism was established, grain was taken from the peasants ( left for sowing and food) to feed the population of cities. As the civil war ended, the surplus was canceled, and a food tax was introduced. The food tax was levied "in the form of a percentage or share deduction from the products produced on the farm, based on the accounting of the harvest, the number of consumers in the farm and the presence of livestock in it." The prodnalog was established as a progressive tax, with an increase in the severity of taxation for the Kulak part of the village. The farms of the poorest peasants were exempt from the food tax.
The size of the prodnalog was significantly smaller than the prodrazverstki. If according to the prodrazverstke in 1920-1921, the peasants handed over 367 million pounds of grain to the state, then the food tax in 1921-1922 was determined at 240 million pounds, in reality, even less was collected due to crop failure.
Great content.
If only the red army generals knew what Stalin will do to them
Apparently the illiterate uneducated peasants had a premonition!
Russian history:
"And then it got worse"
Great video. So many players and moving piece in this time period for Russia, must have been miserable living there during 1917- til death of Stalin
There are Russians who do remember Stalin quite positively tho. Mainly for not surrendering Russia but for some of his policies too
Less miserable than it was under the tsarist regime.
18:28 - those horrible leather uniforms...
The commissars introduced a fashion for leather. The commissioner's reference model is a leather uniform and a Mauser pistol
Excellent information.
Really cool bookshelf
Jesse's pronunciations are top notch.
Lenin loved the working class , and hated the upper class , for example he ordered his soldiers to slaughter the russian royal family ( Romanovs ) . Lenin also hated the peasants ( 80% of the population ! ) , he was happy when his Boshevik soldiers were terrorizing the peasants ( demanding food and killing many peasants ) , Lenin represented the working class ( not the bourgois ( he had many of them killed ! ) , and not the peasants ( he terrorrized and had many of them killed aswell ) , the Bolsheviks went from being the oppressed ( under Tzar's regime ) to becoming the oprressors
I'm a bit late, but just wanted to thank you guys your work.
Great video. Greetings from Bogotá Colombia.
Really fascinating!
There was an episode in the past, where you had the echo in your room somewhat under control (either on set, or in post). It would be music to my ears, if you coud try to improve that again.
Literally have an exam for this in a few days thank god for you
College?
4:31 12:06 15:45 20:16 22:34
Something the other day made me start thinking about different revolutions throughout history. I think it was mainly how the American revolution is one of the only violent revolutions throughout history that actually resulted in a mostly peaceful country directly after the fact. The obvious reason for that is because the social order remained largely unchanged. Those who locally held power before the revolution still held power after the revolution. For the average citizen or slave, nothing really changed. That isn't as remarkable as you might think. To my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong), almost all of the rebellions in Latin America in the 1810's also basically resulted in the same colonial landed gentry staying in power, however most of those countries would descend into chaos within a few years. Maybe America could have gone down the same path as Colombia or Mexico.
That led me to think about violent revolutions in which the social order was completely overturned. The French revolution, the Russian revolution, the Haitian revolution, more recently the Libyan revolution. In all of those cases, the initial revolution was only the start of the bloodshed, and none of them resulted in prosperity for the people. Does that say something about revolution vs. reform? I'm not sure. It kind of does, but try telling a Haitian slave in 1790 that slow reform is the way to go, or a Russian peasant in 1916. Their social order was broken. Maybe there was no other way out.
Basically, I think that those revolutions all ultimately failed in their goals. Does that mean violent overthrow of a tyrannical government is wrong? Not necessarily. The results were wrong, but the people were not wrong for trying.
The core issue with the Latin American rebellions was the racial caste system. The majority of the population was non white, so whoever could get the support from the non whites could win the wars. The rebels who first tried to just do a standard American style revolution, led to the Spanish gathering non whites to fight for their cause and subsequently defeating them. In the end, this forced the revolutionaries to take more conciliatory stances, such as phasing slavery out and equal rights for racial minorities.
Of the three great revolutions of world history (American, French, Russian) or even the 6 or so you listed, the American Revolution is the only one inacted by a slave owning aristocracy and a merchant middle class. It was not a revolution of ideology, but of the rights of British citizens against the Parliament. Class cooperation ensured that the Revolution met it's goals. All others, by inventing new rights and by fermenting class division resulted in misery and terror.
@@FortuitusVideo it wasn't really a revolution in the sense of the others, just a war of independence
These videos deserve more views
"Soviets without communism" that sounds intruiguing!
Looking forward to this!
Somehow, this doesn't give a lot of hope for what is happening right now in the US...
You really need to use a close-mic technique
The Main Trope of Red Army Bolsheviks: Won the War, Lost the Peace
You mean the khazarian revolution