This is absolutely ingenious! I have wondered how to create a MOAL leach without the leather because its such a great pattern but not the easiest to cast on a spey rod. Great stuff! I'm gonna give it a whirl! Thanks a bunch!
since the video is a bit shitty (half the steps are out of frame). I can redo the vid if there is any interest. I should have a couple new vids up soon as well. Tough to sit in front of a camera when I can be out fishing!
Thanks! The dubbing loop is threaded through the eye of the rear hook before the loop is doubled-over and furled. I took sewing thread and fed both tails through the hook eye. then i slide the dubbing loop in the loop of thread that i made. pull on the thread tails until the dubbing loop pulls through the hook eye.
yes. 100d gsp. i found 150d worked a bit better. more than 150d and I find that the furled loop gets too stiff. Under 100d I worry about breaking strength.
So I've had these flies in my box for a few years now. I've landed rainbows up to 6 lbs on this fly and have caught multiple rainbows on the same fly. Seems durable and holds up to a good fighting fish. If you have problems with fish short-striking the tails of your leech patterns, this fly is worth a try!
Absolutely awesome fly, I can't wait to try some out, love the stinger hook at the back and I bet it really breathes underwater. Thumbs Way up! Thanks for the vid! Subscribed! Tightlines
Hmmm, you would have to test it. I fish these on 4-6lb tippet, which is weaker than the GSP loops. I think when I tested the strength of this fly it broke around 15-20lbs. I know one gamakatsu octopus hook snapped before the loop broke on one fly I tested. For steelhead I would use a larger MOAL leech, which is a much stronger fly. You could also go to 200d gsp or maybe one loop of kevlar with a couple gsp.
There is no way in hell that is a 10 much less a 12 hook pulling that thread thru there. I couldn't even get it through the size 8 eye. What a battle, gave up! Will try a 4 tomorrow. using 200d gsp maybe 100d has a chance.
+TheSilver9r which sections are you referring to? Sorry about the camera work! Will improve on the next vids. All the steps should be on the video though?
Hmm I didn't have problems with that happening. I spun a few loops until they broke before I figured out the sweet spot of how many twists I could get into the GSP. I've now had the fly from this vid in my box for a few years and It has held up to at least a dozen rainbows without much wear.
@@NorthernBCFlyGuy i will try and spin it more. I did a tank test it looked amazing! I am sure it will kill trout. I am going to make one in a ginger to replicate a flesh fly.
+TheSilver9r it is twisted like a rope, because the dubbing loop is spun one way (say clockwise) the doubled over dubbing loop (furled loop) is spun the opposite direction (anti clockwise). this keeps the strands tight, same reason a rope does not come undone into single strands. You have to spin the dubbing loop as toght as possible before doubling it up or you will eventually lose material from the loop.
i think it was a gamakatsu octopus size 10 or 12 for the trailer. front hook is size 10-12 bait hook with a barbed shank. the barbed shank is important!!
Dennis Dawe yah ill hopefully get back into making videos this year. Ibe been moving around the province the last year and havent had time. A redo of this video is on my list! Thanks!!!
from the baitfishing section of my local tackle shop. Found them on Cabelas Canada website for you: www.cabelas.ca/product/21810/gamakatsu-octopus-hooks-variable-quantity
Mark Romine lol i would agree. I still keep a dozen of this pattern in my box and fish them frequently. I really doubt the added effort of this pattern makes any difference in the movement of the fly compared to other, easier, patterns. I'd consider this to be one of the many superfluous patterns out there. Still a fun tie and effective pattern for sure. This pattern really shines with compound dubbing loops.
+TheSilver9r yes! I try and centre the hook on the dubbing loop before doubling it over. It helps if you leave a small gap in the material, in the middle of the loop to allow you to move the hook a bit to even up the two sides of the doubled over loop
Well, that just got saved to the favorites section. Nice innovation on an already innovative pattern.
I'll redo this video this spring when I have some spare time.
This is absolutely ingenious! I have wondered how to create a MOAL leach without the leather because its such a great pattern but not the easiest to cast on a spey rod. Great stuff! I'm gonna give it a whirl! Thanks a bunch!
Never seen a dubbing loop act as a body or an articulation point, you just changed my tying game forever. Badass. Thank you
Unreal tie. Right when i thought ive seen it all. Mind blowing good
Can you please make a more detailed video of the dubbing loop. thank you. :)
dude.... when you blew my mind when you cut the hook at the end.... this fly is epic
This is the most glorious thing I've ever seen.
since the video is a bit shitty (half the steps are out of frame). I can redo the vid if there is any interest. I should have a couple new vids up soon as well. Tough to sit in front of a camera when I can be out fishing!
hey love the leech how did you tie on the second hook?
Thanks! The dubbing loop is threaded through the eye of the rear hook before the loop is doubled-over and furled. I took sewing thread and fed both tails through the hook eye. then i slide the dubbing loop in the loop of thread that i made. pull on the thread tails until the dubbing loop pulls through the hook eye.
so is your dubbing loop veevus gel thread?
yes. 100d gsp. i found 150d worked a bit better. more than 150d and I find that the furled loop gets too stiff. Under 100d I worry about breaking strength.
yes
So I've had these flies in my box for a few years now. I've landed rainbows up to 6 lbs on this fly and have caught multiple rainbows on the same fly. Seems durable and holds up to a good fighting fish. If you have problems with fish short-striking the tails of your leech patterns, this fly is worth a try!
That's a winner!!! Thanks for the video.......
I was just thinking I need to find a leech pattern with lots of movement for slow trolling at a local reservoir. This looks like the ticket. Thanks.
Awesome tie! I just want to make sure I have it all right b4 I give it a go. I wouldn't want to keep anyone from fishing so no worries! Lol!
excelente produccion ¡
Very Nice!!! I like it a lot.
Absolutely awesome fly, I can't wait to try some out, love the stinger hook at the back and I bet it really breathes underwater. Thumbs Way up! Thanks for the vid! Subscribed! Tightlines
Heaven's to Murgatroyd! That's brilliant.
that's a really interesting one !!!!!
I only watched abt 2 minutes
But u r kicking ass dude !!
thanks, the only 10s are not available anymore so I ordered 8s. When I looked them up here the smallest size they said was available was 8s. Odd.
I second that f#ing glorious...
Enervating
Is the 150D thread strong enough for Alaska rainbows and steelhead?
Hmmm, you would have to test it. I fish these on 4-6lb tippet, which is weaker than the GSP loops. I think when I tested the strength of this fly it broke around 15-20lbs. I know one gamakatsu octopus hook snapped before the loop broke on one fly I tested. For steelhead I would use a larger MOAL leech, which is a much stronger fly. You could also go to 200d gsp or maybe one loop of kevlar with a couple gsp.
There is no way in hell that is a 10 much less a 12 hook pulling that thread thru there. I couldn't even get it through the size 8 eye. What a battle, gave up! Will try a 4 tomorrow. using 200d gsp maybe 100d has a chance.
Are both sections the same length, hard to tell as a good part of the work you do is off camera?
+TheSilver9r which sections are you referring to? Sorry about the camera work! Will improve on the next vids. All the steps should be on the video though?
damn this is cool
How are you keeping the hair in that gsp thread. I have tied two and spun the hell out of the dubbing too. When i tank tested them hair was coming out
Hmm I didn't have problems with that happening. I spun a few loops until they broke before I figured out the sweet spot of how many twists I could get into the GSP. I've now had the fly from this vid in my box for a few years and It has held up to at least a dozen rainbows without much wear.
@@NorthernBCFlyGuy i will try and spin it more. I did a tank test it looked amazing! I am sure it will kill trout. I am going to make one in a ginger to replicate a flesh fly.
Please re-do this video. I like your approach.
thanks!
What keeps the doubled over dubbing loop from unspinning after?
+TheSilver9r it is twisted like a rope, because the dubbing loop is spun one way (say clockwise) the doubled over dubbing loop (furled loop) is spun the opposite direction (anti clockwise). this keeps the strands tight, same reason a rope does not come undone into single strands. You have to spin the dubbing loop as toght as possible before doubling it up or you will eventually lose material from the loop.
Wicked
Hi, can you teel hook sizes ?
i think it was a gamakatsu octopus size 10 or 12 for the trailer. front hook is size 10-12 bait hook with a barbed shank. the barbed shank is important!!
Excellent fly.You need to slow the video down,narrate the tieing step by step and show all the ins
and outs of tieing the fly
Dennis Dawe yah ill hopefully get back into making videos this year. Ibe been moving around the province the last year and havent had time. A redo of this video is on my list! Thanks!!!
Hey bud, where did you get the hooks from? I can't find anybody who carries that size(#10 or 12) octopus.
from the baitfishing section of my local tackle shop. Found them on Cabelas Canada website for you: www.cabelas.ca/product/21810/gamakatsu-octopus-hooks-variable-quantity
Wooow !
Good pattern but some instruction and better music would be helpful
Your music sucks
That is entirely too much work for a leech literally just black dubbing with a redhead works amazing lol
Mark Romine lol i would agree. I still keep a dozen of this pattern in my box and fish them frequently. I really doubt the added effort of this pattern makes any difference in the movement of the fly compared to other, easier, patterns. I'd consider this to be one of the many superfluous patterns out there. Still a fun tie and effective pattern for sure. This pattern really shines with compound dubbing loops.
Sorry! The 2 sections of dubbing on each side of the hook.
+TheSilver9r yes! I try and centre the hook on the dubbing loop before doubling it over. It helps if you leave a small gap in the material, in the middle of the loop to allow you to move the hook a bit to even up the two sides of the doubled over loop
Why the Music ?? terrible video because of it IMHO
😆maybe one day ill find the time to redo this video.