Debunking catholicism I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” AMEN and AMEN. _________________________ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. _________________________ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad _________________________ Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. _________________________ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession [a]for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save [a]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. _________________________ Apostles are allowed to mary 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _________________________ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 12)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20 If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up. ____________________________________ Galatians 4:21-26 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Sarah is mother of all, Not mary.
@@garerro Debunking catholicism I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” AMEN and AMEN. _________________________ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. _________________________ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad _________________________ Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. _________________________ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession [a]for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save [a]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. _________________________ Apostles are allowed to mary 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _________________________ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 12)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20 If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up. ____________________________________ Galatians 4:21-26 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Sarah is mother of all, Not mary.
With respect to Divine Simplicity. The fact that I've heard several people mention Divine Simplicity as a stumbling block, yet no Catholic so far has mentioned the fact that it is not the only Catholic position is kinda strange (though maybe someone mentioned it in the comments). I highly recommend looking into the Franciscan tradition of metaphysics, starting from Alexander of Hales (and Summa Halensis) - there is literature available about it, specifically the work of Dr. Lydia Schumacher (who by the way has a neat presentation on youtube about the nature of God, in which she mentions both the Divine Simplicity and Divine Infinity approaches). I'd also recommend getting into Bonaventure (and maybe check out Brill's Companion to Bonaventure). Finally there are a bunch of videos with Dr. Jared Goff presenting Franciscan and more specifically Scotist position (Scotus is really difficult but there are many books digesting his views - start maybe from the blog The Smithy) on the issues of Simplicity, attributes, etc. Of course, that's not to say that these will eliminate all of the problems, since there is a version of Divine simplicity that all traditional Christians hold but it will eliminate a lot of the problems.
I'm not terribly surprised that Joes uses it as an argument for his agnostic position. If you're going to pile things in the agnostic bucket you're going to pick the most obtuse elements that seem the whackiest and say 'there, Catholics believe this and it's weird, therefore I'm not going to believe that'. But that's just as reasonable as saying 'The Catholic Church doesn't discount literal or special creationism in its doctrine, that's a bit whacky, ergo, I'm not going to believe in the doctrines of the Catholic Church'. It's throwing the baby out with the bathwater in my opinion and it just closes the mind to inquiry. In Joe's defence however he does critique atheism quite harshly in ways that are likewise quite obtuse. So at least he's being somewhat impartial.
Debunking catholicism I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” AMEN and AMEN. _________________________ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. _________________________ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad _________________________ Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. _________________________ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession [a]for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save [a]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. _________________________ Apostles are allowed to mary 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _________________________ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 12)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20 If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up. ____________________________________ Galatians 4:21-26 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Sarah is mother of all, Not mary.
@@mynameis......23 - Debunking your debunking. “I’m more blessed than Mary” Your verse doesn’t prove this and it doesn’t constitute a useful argument against the Catholic Church. “Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul.” Does he? Where does he say that bishops are to marry a human wife? He says that bishops are to be the husband of one wife - the church, the bridegroom of Christ. “Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father.” Nope - what Jesus meant is that no one should refer to another human being in the same manner as they refer to God, the Father. But that doesn’t preclude the use of the word ‘father’ for those who are biological fathers to children or spiritual fathers to the Church. The Pope also happens to be a holy person, as we all are, therefore it is entirely permissible to call the Pope ‘Holy Father’. if that irks you, you can also call the Pope ‘Your Holiness’. “Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God” So Mary isn’t the mother of Jesus, and Jesus isn’t God? I guess you’re not a Christian then? Awkwardly all your Bible versus suggest that Mary is Jesus’ mother and theology teaches us that Jesus is God, ergo Mary is the Mother of God. “We should not pray to apostles” Why not? There’s multiple versus in the Bible that permit prayer to the saints. We cannot worship the saints, but it is permissible to pray to them to ask for their intercession. “For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.” Yep - the Catholic Church doesn’t dispute. “Apostles are allowed to mary” Catholicism doesn’t dispute this. The Latin Rite of Catholicism requires celibacy of its priests with very specific exception (i.e. joining priesthood following marriage), but the Eastern does not. Bishops in all the Catholic Churches are required to be celibate in order to be ordained as bishops. Married priests cannot become bishops until their spouses pass away. “the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry?” There’s no definitive prove in the Bible that Peter was married when Jesus called him to be an apostle. It’s likely that his wife died prior to his calling to be an apostle. The requirement to remain celibate as a bishop precludes marriage as one can’t be ‘married to one wife’ when they’re married to both Church and a human wife. “when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic” This logic is poor. Peter was also a Jew, does that mean we all have to be Jews to be followers of Christ? No. Peter was by definition a follower of Christ, a Christian. The term Catholic arose as a result of the promulgation of heresy following the establishment of the Church, in order to define those followers that actually accorded with the teachings of Jesus, they called themselves ‘Catholic’. Peter was not by definition a Catholic, however in order to be the Bishop of Rome (i.e. the Pope) one must be ordained a bishop by those with the correct apostolic succession which is only held by the Catholic Church (and the Orthodox Church, but the Orthodox refuse to ordain a Bishop of Rome). “If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up.” What’s the point you’re making? That because the members of the Catholic Church are fallible that it makes the institution of the Church fallible? That’s a fallacy of composition. “Sarah is mother of all, Not mary.” What about Eve?
What a lovely interview. I’d love to see this again, with Jimmy Akin there to explore some of these directions. It’d be REALLY, REALLY cool to have him there in the flesh. Thanks for all you do! It’s so unique in this space.
I find what often moves people out of agnosticism is the reality of marriage and children. Creation and human beings that you are personally responsible to and for gives a very different perspective on life especially as suffering is unavoidable in relationships of commitment. It stops being theory and becomes very much practical in your life.
that is quite trouble but if you say so Let me explain the following: When people bring a child into the world, it is most likely that he will end up being condemned to hell, which is established in the bible in Matthew 7: 13-14. “13 You can only enter the kingdom of God through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to hell; That is why many people prefer them. 14 But small is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life, and very few people find it." There is no way that as mere humans we can guarantee that if we have children they will go to heaven, so we will be responsible for allowing them to come into the world and then their future eternal torture in hell and damnation. Even those who try to search cannot because Satan, other evil religions, the world and the flesh itself are doing everything possible to condemn them to hell for eternity from the moment they are born. James 1:14-15 1 "14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then lust, after it has conceived, gives birth to sin; and sin, being finished, gives birth to to light death. John 2:16: “men alienated from God governed by their passions, by the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and by the pride of life” Luke 13:23-24. 23 Someone asked him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And he replied, 24 “Do your best to enter through the narrow gate, because I tell you that many will try to enter and will not be able to do so. Now if we as humans deal with this truth here on earth, and we are aware that except for terrible cases of abuse, every other conception and life that comes into the world is consensual in the intimate act, we cannot say that nobody forced us to bring children into the world, it was we ourselves who brought them into the world and if they end up being condemned, we would be part of that process since we could choose not to become intimate in the flesh, either in sin or within marriage. Being an omniscient God, that is to say, he has perfect wisdom and knowledge of what is going to happen and even despite knowing that most of the population was going to be condemned to hell, he allowed existence to continue even when he could have avoided all the pain and suffering of hell for the majority of his creation. First with Adam and Eve knowing that they were going to eat the forbidden fruit and then with Noah exterminating the world through the flood and saving his life and his family. Genesis 2:16-17 “16 Then the LORD God commanded the man, “You may freely eat from any tree in the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you do, you will surely die.” Genesis 6:7 “7 Then the LORD said, “I will wipe the human being whom I have created from the face of the earth. I will destroy human beings, domestic animals, those that crawl on the ground and the birds of the sky because I am sorry I made them.” are you forced to bring children to the world? if you know 100% true fact that your child will end in the eternal torture of hell do you still have carnal desire with your partner knowing he will suffer on hell just for being born?
Joe is intoxicated with the prowess of the intellect which the God he doesn't believe in has given him. I'm sure he is sincerely seeking the truth, God bless him, but for all the brilliant minds he has read and engaged he has barely scratched the surface. If he only knew that the God he is trying so hard to discover has already revealed Himself to him in His Church and has untiringly given Himself to him all throughout his childhood in the Holy Eucharist.
Catholic here. Fascinating discussion. Thank you for posting! Mr. Schmidt (as an intelligent young man of good will) is a good reminder to Christians (and to me), about what happens when one lets religious activities replace one’s relationship with God. I know how tempting it is to allow religious activities (such as saying prayers or frequent attendance at church services) to substitute for one’s relationship with Jesus Christ. Our religious piety should foster and strengthen our relationship with God, rather than substitute for it. I wish Mr. Schmidt my best during his studies and warmly recommend Thomas Aquinas and The Thomistic Institute (and their UA-cam channel) to those interested in pursuing intellectual Christianity and more on these topics.
Spot on. Joe seems to have grown within a perhaps excessively abstract approach; regardless, he looks like an eager and nice guy,so if he seeks in earnest he will find. Kudos to Cameron for all the great work. May Our Lord guide everyone.
That man is not my pope. "Francis" is an heretic. No one can abrogate the Mass and true faith. ❤💕 ua-cam.com/video/qBebl6ApM7I/v-deo.html St Padre Pio commissioned Father Luigi Villa and others to expose ecclesiastical Freemasons and modernists who infiltrated the Church.
But he may also be casting off the personal relationship experiences as emotional or psychological experiences, rather than something real. I had a good UA-cam conversation with an agnostic just a few days ago who stopped believing in Christ after living as a devout protestant Christian for 38 years. So I think belief in God must be nurtured and grow in ALL aspects as we age. I think if someone’s faith is weighed TOO heavily toward a personal relationship-based faith, then they are also vulnerable to a potential weakening or going away of faith due to certain experiences in life. For instance, when young, we often have a fervent belief that God will answer our prayers, yet despite earnest whole-hearted prayers for a loved family member, they may still die of an illness. This can lead one to lose faith, to doubt if God is real. So while I agree with you that a personal relationship aspect MUST be part of one’s faith, it also must be more than JUST that. Part of the problem of kids losing faith when they go away from home to college is that their faith never matured enough intellectually too in order to withstand the onslaught they faced against faith from EVERY angle in faith-hostile environments. But indeed, the agnostic in this video is an interesting example of losing faith, because it does seem perhaps that he had exposure to some strong foundational teachings and practices, yet he fell away. And I agree there could have been a lack of the personal relationship aspect to his faith. On the other hand, I’ve seen many fall from faith who grew up with Catholic charismatic backgrounds because it seems their faith became too emotional or relationship-based and didn’t have a strong enough rooting in solid teaching. For me the bottom line is, faith should never be taken for granted, it must mature constantly as we go through our lives. God may even allow us long periods without feeling His presence in our lives, like He did for Mother Teresa (who went decades without feeling the consolation of God). It’s really a challenging world to keep faith alive in, with so many forces there to pull us away from faith, so I also think a very critical part is a vigorous communal aspect… having relationships with others where you share your faith and try to help each other to grow in faith.
@Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus the sad thing is, some people just go through the motions. The sacraments are a beautiful way in which God gives us Grace, but some people limit the Grace they receive because they are not truly cooperating with God. He will never force Himself on us, we have to give ourselves completely to Him to experience the fullness of His Grace. We can look to the Saints for wonderful examples of what this looks like… or of course, just every day Catholics who love God. You were right to point out how Sacraments and prayer are part of our relationship with God. Some people like to limit “the relationship” to the notion of an internal unscripted conversation with God. And while unscripted prayer is indeed part of a Christian’s prayer life, it is just one small of how we grow closer to God.
@Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus there seems to be a relative failure of communication here. We probably mean the same things, but in imperfect ways. There is indeed the fact that catholics go through the motions in the sense that they fulfill the religious obligations without genuine interest. The seed was planted but the sun scorched it. We're not talking about seeds taken by the birds, or cast on hard soil. These are practicing christians. They are committed enough to the obligations. But they don't have enough interest in nurturing the relationship with God. They visit Him weekly but the conversations don't go beyond small talk. It's a chore, not a relationship. Now of course we don't have to feel good every time we visit a loved ones. After all, love is not a feeling. It's an act of the will. So a parent that doesn't enjoy waking up early to help the child out of bed and go through the day is precisely a good and loving parent because it was done *despite* one's feelings. Love is not a feeling. It's an act of the will. You do a good thing to the person you love because you want their good. The focus is them and their good, and if you feel toiled while doing it, the greater you are loving them. So the key here is that shallow catholics maintain their obligations out of pure, ordinary habit and nothing more, while deep catholics maintain those obligations for genuine interest in pleasing God. So going through the motions can have two opposite meanings.
This was great. It really helped in humanizing Joe. It’s a testament to his upbringing that his rebellious phase consists of rigorous and impressive philosophical inquiry. Perhaps this will serve to him as a future data point to the faith’s efficacy & social value. As a younger man it’s fair that he’s seemingly primarily focused on his epistemic position regarding the nature of reality. Perhaps though, with time, he’ll begin to consider the role the faith plays in cultivating a social framework that values the individual person & truth, as well as supports the civility, charity, and inquiry he finds himself in and has benefited so much from. I know, 1 doesn’t have to be Christian to uphold those values, but the fact that the church does, and provides a grounding for those values, adds to its merit. As a dilettante, I’d rather get my philosophical dialectic from ‘philosophy for the people’ ‘classical theist podcast’ & CC as they both incorporate objections and reaffirm views. Seeking confirmation bias? Fair enough. Still I’d rather considerate it prudent strengthening of my positions by hearing objections and responses to those positions by people that have time to develop those responses in a spirit I would if I had the time and humbly, the ability. On my commute to work I’m not trying to rock the metaphysical foundations on which my entire worldview is based. Still I don’t won’t to simply take them as brute givens without any considerations either.
@Awesome Wrench metaphysical claims are justified via arguments, by my lights. If you’re using the world “verified” in the empirical sense then I don’t think you’ll get verification. However, I do think certain metaphysical claims are quite common. Like believing in the existence of other minds, or that the universe wasn’t created 5min ago with appearance of a past. So I wouldn’t be quick to throw out metaphysical claims qua metaphysical claims.
@Awesome Wrench same here. 1 way of supporting claims is arguments. Even the use of empirical evidence requires presupposes an argument for why empirical evidence is valid, by my lights.
"I went to Catholic school for 15 years and" "I'm sorry to hear that, I recommend reading the Catechism of thr Catholic Church for a proper yet basic introduction to the Catholic faith"
Hey guys. This is my one and only argument. Jesus of Nazareth literally rose from the dead and the historical proof for that event is overwhelming. Ever wonder why authentic Christians are so darn happy? That's why. To be honest... Can I be honest? I couldn't care less about arguments or "my experience" or philosophy or psychology or etc., etc., etc. Only that Person.
its is not actually overwhelming is quite poor, not saying that is impossible even it could be true but the evidence is really bad check Paulogia channel there you will find a deep understanding of the evidence even with Christians side sometimes hope you go for the true all way and not just for what other people say.
@Joe, 2 Q's bro: 1) thought(s) on Alvin Plantinga's "Evolutionary Arguement Against Naturalism"? 2) thoughts on Magis Center's founder / author Robert Spitzer, SJ's stuff on happiness/suffering, and his book "New Proofs for the Existence of God: Contributions of Contemporary Physics and Philosophy"? Peace!
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Hey Joe , curious if you ever considered Eastern Orthodox or Greek or how ever you prefer to call it ; also you regard truth as objective correct? Meaning our subjective experience doesn’t play a role in the capital T Truth.
On the "let's consider a non-perfect God" whilst the problem of evil dissapears from the atheists "side" a bunch of arguments dissappears from the theist "side" Ontological arguments, maybe some contingency arguments. A lot of theist arguments answer to "how can God do this" is well he is perfect and can do stuff like that
Am I surprised that Joe is a Catholic? No. I imagine given his inquiry, he'll eventually get back to practicing his faith. His departure from his faith isn't overly compelling and it's likewise not surprising he's agnostic and firmly not atheist.
Did you even watch the video? Joe is explicitly not a Catholic, he's an agnostic. And he said that even if he came to believe Jesus rose from the dead, he would still have to do a lot of research to decide which form of Christianity he would embrace.
@@doctorg.k.spoderminsr.2588 - Yes I did watch the video. I’m very familiar with Joe’s work more broadly. Your statement is incorrect. Joe calls himself agnostic but he is Catholic and will remain a Catholic until he dies by virtue of his baptism. According to Catholic theology (which I can point you to, if you’re uncertain) you don’t lose your Catholicism if you choose not to believe in God. Not even excommunication erases your baptism. Catholicism (or Christianity for those not Catholic) describes your state of being, agnosticism/theism/atheism describes your position (i.e. what you believe). Joe is technically a Catholic that is not practising his religion. If he doesn’t want to practice his religion, he is free to do so. He currently doesn’t practice his religion because he isn’t convinced of the existence of God and his position on God is agnostic. If he did come to believe that Jesus rose from the dead, he’s still a Catholic. If he chose to practice another Christian religion, he’s still a non-practicing Catholic who is now in heresy and in moral sin. But, again, he’s allowed to do that, if he wants. If he wanted to rejoin the Catholic Church all he would need to do is go to confession, he wouldn't need to re-baptise himself or redo any of the sacraments he has already obtained that you require to be a functioning Catholic. Unlike say a Protestant that would need to complete a few sacraments or an atheist convert to Catholicism that would require at least baptism. If he was never baptised a Catholic, then yes I would agree with you that he is not Catholic if he was never validly baptised (i.e. using the correct form of the rite) then we could also say he is not even Christian. We could then call Joe an agnostic. But the agnosticism isn’t really meaningful. The term ‘agnostic’ isn’t exclusively tied to religion, you can be agnostic on multiple non-theistic subject matters. Agnosticism is also not meaningful in describing what Joe IS but rather what he believes. You can be an atheist and technically still be a Catholic, if you’re baptised a Catholic.
@@doctorg.k.spoderminsr.2588 - To further illustrate my point, if you look at my statement you'll see the correct use of the article "a" in the English language, i.e. "a Catholic" and "agnostic" and "atheist". You can't be "an agnostic", it doesn't make sense, which is why we don't place the article "an" before "agnostic", if we're being careful. If you're using the term 'an agnostic' the natural question is then - 'an agnostic on what matter'. In fact, that question itself is even poorly phrased, you would more correctly say 'agnostic on what matter' if you're using correct grammatical structure. Anyway, my ramble here was to illustrate that not only were you theologically incorrect in making the claim that 'Joe is an agnostic' you were also not using English in its correct grammatical form - which is a firm clue as to the correct use of the terms 'Catholic' and 'agnostic'.
@@emiliawisniewski3947 The stuff you're pushing here is very primitive and tribal, and it's an old tactic employed by many religions. Islam is notorious for this, Muslims never let apostates "get away" - they always claim them as somehow still a member of their tribe, even if they are in peril with Allah. Mormons also give the same vibe of claiming some form of eternal "ownership" over kids who were raised Mormon. "You're still one of us, you can never escape, even if you explicitly reject us" is a classic attitude within cults and religions. This tactic is disrespectful to individuals, and it contains a very ugly motive behind it, one simultaneously full of fear of members leaving, and also a desire for power and control over the lives of others, cradle to grave. My advice to you would be to grow up and grow out of this primitive way of thinking and viewing other people.
@@jamesjersey7469 - I'm just clarifying what Catholic theology states. If you don't like it and don't agree, then you don't like it and don't agree. Great, welcome to having an opinion. Your opinion however is your opinion, it doesn’t necessarily make it any more true than any other opinion. I find your final statement intriguing because I lived with an atheist for a long time (I was agnostic at the time) who kept calling me an atheist. Every time I explained what I actually am and believe, which was not dissimilar to Joe's position, he would simply state 'No, you're an atheist', as if he couldn't understand basic reasoning. "No, I would say, I'm a baptised Catholic, so I'm technically a Catholic but I'm agnostic on the existence of God." "That's basically an atheist, you're an atheist" he would retort. Interestingly enough he was a self-professed Jew. That is, he called himself an atheist because he didn't believe in God, but whenever it came to explaining who he was, he always referred to himself as a Jew. I queried him I said 'Why do you call yourself a Jew when you are an atheist, you can't be both simultaneously.’ He then explained to me because of circumcision, having a Jewish mother, being raised in the faith etc. that made him a Jew and he is right, all those things technically do make him a non-practicing Jew who calls himself an atheist. He was a Jew of convenience, very quick to point out antisemitic statements or behaviours and assert the existence of Israel (who only exists because of religion), yet all the while profoundly disagreeing with every figment of Jewish faith. But it would be profoundly incorrect to not call him a Jew. So I actually agree with you, your statement likewise extends to the cult of atheism. Atheism has the same mechanism as religion, because it’s a belief structure. In fact many atheists claim that all humans are born atheists, which is a profoundly unusual, but a claim nonetheless. They make that claim for the very reason that you suggest, as an ‘ugly motive’, trying to instil fear in the human population in order to seek power and control over the lives of others, cradle to grave. More crucially atheism primitively assumes that we have no free will, unlike most theistic branches of religion. Therefore according to some atheists, not only am I an atheist by virtue of my mere existence, but I can never reasonably leave this position, even if I baptise myself a Christian. Sad, isn’t it? What you’re missing is a focus on the actual question - which position is actually true? Theism? Atheism? Agnosticism? Can we determine the truth of any of these positions? So my advice to you would be to open your mind a little, retreat away from your dogmatic hold on whichever position your currently taking and try and follow the evidence where it reasonably leads.
I think he holds on to the content and releases them very slowly. I was completely baffled when he hosted the last conference after hyping it up in every video only for him to upload 1 video of the conference in like 2 months(?)
@@cyriljorge986 Let me explain: When people bring a child into the world, it is most likely that he will end up being condemned to hell, which is established in the bible in Matthew 7: 13-14. “13 You can only enter the kingdom of God through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to hell; That is why many people prefer them. 14 But small is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life, and very few people find it." There is no way that as mere humans we can guarantee that if we have children they will go to heaven, so we will be responsible for allowing them to come into the world and then their future eternal torture in hell and damnation. Even those who try to search cannot because Satan, other evil religions, the world and the flesh itself are doing everything possible to condemn them to hell for eternity from the moment they are born. James 1:14-15 1 "14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then lust, after it has conceived, gives birth to sin; and sin, being finished, gives birth to to light death. John 2:16: “men alienated from God governed by their passions, by the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and by the pride of life” Luke 13:23-24. 23 Someone asked him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And he replied, 24 “Do your best to enter through the narrow gate, because I tell you that many will try to enter and will not be able to do so. Now if we as humans deal with this truth here on earth, and we are aware that except for terrible cases of abuse, every other conception and life that comes into the world is consensual in the intimate act, we cannot say that nobody forced us to bring children into the world, it was we ourselves who brought them into the world and if they end up being condemned, we would be part of that process since we could choose not to become intimate in the flesh, either in sin or within marriage. Being an omniscient God, that is to say, he has perfect wisdom and knowledge of what is going to happen and even despite knowing that most of the population was going to be condemned to hell, he allowed existence to continue even when he could have avoided all the pain and suffering of hell for the majority of his creation. First with Adam and Eve knowing that they were going to eat the forbidden fruit and then with Noah exterminating the world through the flood and saving his life and his family. Genesis 2:16-17 “16 Then the LORD God commanded the man, “You may freely eat from any tree in the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you do, you will surely die.” Genesis 6:7 “7 Then the LORD said, “I will wipe the human being whom I have created from the face of the earth. I will destroy human beings, domestic animals, those that crawl on the ground and the birds of the sky because I am sorry I made them.” are you forced to bring children to the world? if you know 100% true fact that your child will end in the eternal torture of hell do you still have carnal desire with your partner knowing he will suffer on hell just for being born?
@@cyriljorge986 if you know 100% true fact that your child will end in the eternal torture of hell do you still have carnal desire with your partner knowing he will suffer on hell just for being born?
Joe noted which way he would go if he were to Believe again - all of us believers in Christ can be encouraged by that :) Under the Catholic system (as I understand it) since he was baptized already, and if he avoids and/or repents of mortal sin, Joe is still in good standing with God even though he's agnostic and does not exactly believe in God at the moment. That sounds nice, but see how this differs from typical 'protestant christianity' where Believing is critical. Ultimately it's not up to us how salvation works, but God. Fortunately anyone can pray and ask God to reveal His ways to us, give us His Holy Spirit, and help our unbelief.
I dont understand why its so hard to choose. What early church father was a protestant??🤔... St. Agustine, Thosmas aquinas were all catholics. If you wana become protestant then believe jesus rose from the dead 500 years ago when martin luther established his own bible
Let me explain : When people bring a child into the world, it is most likely that he will end up being condemned to hell, which is established in the bible in Matthew 7: 13-14. “13 You can only enter the kingdom of God through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to hell; That is why many people prefer them. 14 But small is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life, and very few people find it." There is no way that as mere humans we can guarantee that if we have children they will go to heaven, so we will be responsible for allowing them to come into the world and then their future eternal torture in hell and damnation. Even those who try to search cannot because Satan, other evil religions, the world and the flesh itself are doing everything possible to condemn them to hell for eternity from the moment they are born. James 1:14-15 1 "14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then lust, after it has conceived, gives birth to sin; and sin, being finished, gives birth to to light death. John 2:16: “men alienated from God governed by their passions, by the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and by the pride of life” Luke 13:23-24. 23 Someone asked him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And he replied, 24 “Do your best to enter through the narrow gate, because I tell you that many will try to enter and will not be able to do so. Now if we as humans deal with this truth here on earth, and we are aware that except for terrible cases of abuse, every other conception and life that comes into the world is consensual in the intimate act, we cannot say that nobody forced us to bring children into the world, it was we ourselves who brought them into the world and if they end up being condemned, we would be part of that process since we could choose not to become intimate in the flesh, either in sin or within marriage. Being an omniscient God, that is to say, he has perfect wisdom and knowledge of what is going to happen and even despite knowing that most of the population was going to be condemned to hell, he allowed existence to continue even when he could have avoided all the pain and suffering of hell for the majority of his creation. First with Adam and Eve knowing that they were going to eat the forbidden fruit and then with Noah exterminating the world through the flood and saving his life and his family. Genesis 2:16-17 “16 Then the LORD God commanded the man, “You may freely eat from any tree in the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you do, you will surely die.” Genesis 6:7 “7 Then the LORD said, “I will wipe the human being whom I have created from the face of the earth. I will destroy human beings, domestic animals, those that crawl on the ground and the birds of the sky because I am sorry I made them.” are you forced to bring children to the world? if you know 100% true fact that your child will end in the eternal torture of hell do you still have carnal desire with your partner knowing he will suffer on hell just for being born? ga
@@a.39886 First and foremost, careful how you compare the old testament with the new testament... it is the same loving God but in the old the people of God were a barbaric community. God is immutable, therefore God doesnt change but humans do change. You dont treat a 2 year old the same you would treat a 20 year old, the same principle applies to the rest of us. Now in the new testament God has fully revealed himself to us. " in the eternal silence of the trinity God our father spoke one word, his only word (Jesus) and he has no more to say". Salvation is a process therefore I say i have been saved, im been saved and i hope to be saved. Presumptuous is a sin againts the Holy Spirit, therefore unless God gives you a private revelation, you cannot assume someone will be saved or lost for all eternity. God is outside of space and time which means we can always pray for the unknown i.e. the salvation of someone who has died or for a future event. Trusting in God with our prayers gives us hope to continue fighting the good fight. I would do my best to teach the faith to my children and unceasingly pray for their salvation. We all have free will and once we check out from this world, our "will" is fix for all eternity. Therefore God doesnt send anyone to hell but rather individuals like the fallen angels make that choice.
@@jesushernandez-eo8fq so even if god has the foreknowledge that creating Adam and Eve he would condemn most mankind to hell and eternal sufferings according to you that does not make God the Autor of evil? so according to you god didn`t have a choice he was forced to create us? " "god" has no free will then? who forced got to create mankind just to send most of it to hell did god: needed worship? needed company? needed praise? needed condemnation? needed salvation? needed anything form humans? was he not all perfect by himself? it is insane the lengths that you go to defend what can’t be defended "Yes, you are correct that God could have simply created souls without free will and incorruptible and placed them into heaven and told them every day how much He loves them" he is watching most mankind suffer the eternal torture of hell just for you can know he loves you. don't you see this is a bad explanation?
@@a.39886 once again, God doesnt condemn anyone to hell, we get to choose by our actions. It wouldn't be loved if we were forced. God gives every person sufficient Grace to be saved but we must cooperate with God. Just cause God knows our choices doesnt mean he causes any type of influence. Angels are far superior to us so they were given a test, yet since our intellect is far inferior, God gives us ample time throughout our lives. God wasnt forced to create us, God choose to create the human race out of his abundant love. He desires for us to share one day for all eternity in his divine glory in heaven, but its a choice, we get to choose and God will respect for those who are stubborn, whos hearts are hard and desire to be separated from God for all eternity. God is omniscient, omnipotent so he lacks nothing. God doesn't need us but out of love choose to reveal himself to us. Authentic love is trully tested when its given freely without any forced, if we didnt have free will then God would've made us into string puppets. You automatically know when somebody loves you. When that person makes a choice on their own without having a gun forcing them to love you, that wouldn't be Authentic love
@@jesushernandez-eo8fq "When that person makes a choice on their own without having a gun forcing them to love you" hell is just what you described I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world. you may try to avoid this hard true but with the exception of terrible cases of abuse, all other conception is consensual in the act, nobody forced you to have intimacy and then have children, it was you who brought them into the world and you will also be guilty if they end up suffering eternally in hell just for satisfy your carnal desire, Think that every day you see your children there will be Satan, Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, and all other devil religion and the world and the flesh itself trying to damn your child for eternity the moment they are born,,, In most Christian religions contraception is seeing as a diabolical instrument of sin that contends you to hell, no wonder why this keep happening
The Catholic model of God is actually very limited when it comes to official doctrine or dogma. Exceedingly little is “required” belief. There are many, many models of God that are compatible with Catholicism.
This reminds me of an interview with a young ex trans woman. Who was indoctrinated and groomed by strangers online to abandon her family's values for that of strangers and became trans on meds until she finally woke up from the nightmare she was caught in
Just want to chime in... In the ends God is God. .. all our "knowledge and philosophy" and all the noise in this world are just the guard rail for our mind to not fall into a deeper trench... In the ends God is God .... All our knowledge and thinking are just there to entertain us. The closest to the Truth is the Teaching of the Catholic Church not protestantism...because the Catholic Church teaching is base on the Bible and Human living Tradition... Not protestantism that anyone can be biblical scholar without the rich living Tradition for 2000 years... Young people like Joe like to wander around and discover things for themselves.. but when u live to a certain age, you just want true peace in your mind and heart. ... God is very simple..God can give us that... You can be on your journey to discovery different knowledge this and that ... But in the ends, God and peace with your mind soul is what you want when you are tired in this life.... Tired of different philosophical ideas and concepts.. this and that... In the end it is what the Catholic Church can offer.. it is the Church built in this Rock. Rome is built on the Tomb of St. Peter ..
Let me explain : When people bring a child into the world, it is most likely that he will end up being condemned to hell, which is established in the bible in Matthew 7: 13-14. “13 You can only enter the kingdom of God through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to hell; That is why many people prefer them. 14 But small is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life, and very few people find it." There is no way that as mere humans we can guarantee that if we have children they will go to heaven, so we will be responsible for allowing them to come into the world and then their future eternal torture in hell and damnation. Even those who try to search cannot because Satan, other evil religions, the world and the flesh itself are doing everything possible to condemn them to hell for eternity from the moment they are born. James 1:14-15 1 "14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then lust, after it has conceived, gives birth to sin; and sin, being finished, gives birth to to light death. John 2:16: “men alienated from God governed by their passions, by the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and by the pride of life” Luke 13:23-24. 23 Someone asked him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And he replied, 24 “Do your best to enter through the narrow gate, because I tell you that many will try to enter and will not be able to do so. Now if we as humans deal with this truth here on earth, and we are aware that except for terrible cases of abuse, every other conception and life that comes into the world is consensual in the intimate act, we cannot say that nobody forced us to bring children into the world, it was we ourselves who brought them into the world and if they end up being condemned, we would be part of that process since we could choose not to become intimate in the flesh, either in sin or within marriage. Being an omniscient God, that is to say, he has perfect wisdom and knowledge of what is going to happen and even despite knowing that most of the population was going to be condemned to hell, he allowed existence to continue even when he could have avoided all the pain and suffering of hell for the majority of his creation. First with Adam and Eve knowing that they were going to eat the forbidden fruit and then with Noah exterminating the world through the flood and saving his life and his family. Genesis 2:16-17 “16 Then the LORD God commanded the man, “You may freely eat from any tree in the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you do, you will surely die.” Genesis 6:7 “7 Then the LORD said, “I will wipe the human being whom I have created from the face of the earth. I will destroy human beings, domestic animals, those that crawl on the ground and the birds of the sky because I am sorry I made them.” are you forced to bring children to the world? if you know 100% true fact that your child will end in the eternal torture of hell do you still have carnal desire with your partner knowing he will suffer on hell just for being born? na
@@baotrixe60 if you know 100% true fact that your child will end in the eternal torture of hell do you still have carnal desire with your partner knowing he will suffer on hell just for being born?
@@a.39886 Why in hell ? When human have freedom ? Seeing a person fall into a ditch is just knowledge but there can be like a possibility that person may not fall into a ditch. That's call freedom. Human choice. The possibility of things changes to different ending is still out there.
Some people like to paint the ugly picture of God by saying God know a person headed to hell, why created him? Why not say God original intentions is to create them for heaven but somewhere in between their actions and intentions chooses hell
I think this young man is being too intellectual about God and not incorporating his heart. That has pulled him away from many truths he is unable to grasp. Matthew 13:10-17 I hope this message helps. Also excepting the Lord I need to do it the same way the child understands being totally open and excepting. If we over analyze we can miss some of the basic concepts. Like in the words (in Jesus I trust)
The problem is that childlike faith is just one part of jesus's teachings. Others less simple. Like spiritual warfare, driving out demons, hell, preaching the gospel, eternal rewards, ect, ect. Its easy to pick one chapter and build your whole faith on it. But read the whole new testament, how bout, read the whole bible and tell me if things are still simple or childlike.......? Help?
@@hannavanderberg1673 Let me explain : When people bring a child into the world, it is most likely that he will end up being condemned to hell, which is established in the bible in Matthew 7: 13-14. “13 You can only enter the kingdom of God through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to hell; That is why many people prefer them. 14 But small is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life, and very few people find it." There is no way that as mere humans we can guarantee that if we have children they will go to heaven, so we will be responsible for allowing them to come into the world and then their future eternal torture in hell and damnation. Even those who try to search cannot because Satan, other evil religions, the world and the flesh itself are doing everything possible to condemn them to hell for eternity from the moment they are born. James 1:14-15 1 "14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then lust, after it has conceived, gives birth to sin; and sin, being finished, gives birth to to light death. John 2:16: “men alienated from God governed by their passions, by the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and by the pride of life” Luke 13:23-24. 23 Someone asked him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And he replied, 24 “Do your best to enter through the narrow gate, because I tell you that many will try to enter and will not be able to do so. Now if we as humans deal with this truth here on earth, and we are aware that except for terrible cases of abuse, every other conception and life that comes into the world is consensual in the intimate act, we cannot say that nobody forced us to bring children into the world, it was we ourselves who brought them into the world and if they end up being condemned, we would be part of that process since we could choose not to become intimate in the flesh, either in sin or within marriage. Being an omniscient God, that is to say, he has perfect wisdom and knowledge of what is going to happen and even despite knowing that most of the population was going to be condemned to hell, he allowed existence to continue even when he could have avoided all the pain and suffering of hell for the majority of his creation. First with Adam and Eve knowing that they were going to eat the forbidden fruit and then with Noah exterminating the world through the flood and saving his life and his family. Genesis 2:16-17 “16 Then the LORD God commanded the man, “You may freely eat from any tree in the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you do, you will surely die.” Genesis 6:7 “7 Then the LORD said, “I will wipe the human being whom I have created from the face of the earth. I will destroy human beings, domestic animals, those that crawl on the ground and the birds of the sky because I am sorry I made them.” are you forced to bring children to the world? if you know 100% true fact that your child will end in the eternal torture of hell do you still have carnal desire with your partner knowing he will suffer on hell just for being born? asd
Hearing young men like this one speak and wrestle reminds me of what Jesus said, "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” It is not impossible, but it does point to a reality that those who are rich (in his case, rich in intellect) find it almost impossible to have faith. They lean on their own understanding. God desires your faith dear boy.
It's like watching two people have a conversation about the possibility of tigers existing.
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The separated brothers, always attacking the Church Created by Christ. I understand that being part of a church created by a Man in 1520 (Luther) burns them, but with their envy they betray the fundamental principles of God.
This is the definition of taking a religious high ground and then pretending as if you are having the same effect as Jeremiah the prophet! It's a laughable effort but laughable does not mean respectable (and respectable does not mean, conclude as Protestants conclude).
Debunking catholicism I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” AMEN and AMEN. _________________________ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. _________________________ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad _________________________ Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. _________________________ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession [a]for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save [a]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. _________________________ Apostles are allowed to mary 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _________________________ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 12)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20 If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up. ____________________________________ Galatians 4:21-26 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Sarah is mother of all, Not mary.
@@kinggoldstang Let me explain : When people bring a child into the world, it is most likely that he will end up being condemned to hell, which is established in the bible in Matthew 7: 13-14. “13 You can only enter the kingdom of God through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to hell; That is why many people prefer them. 14 But small is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life, and very few people find it." There is no way that as mere humans we can guarantee that if we have children they will go to heaven, so we will be responsible for allowing them to come into the world and then their future eternal torture in hell and damnation. Even those who try to search cannot because Satan, other evil religions, the world and the flesh itself are doing everything possible to condemn them to hell for eternity from the moment they are born. James 1:14-15 1 "14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then lust, after it has conceived, gives birth to sin; and sin, being finished, gives birth to to light death. John 2:16: “men alienated from God governed by their passions, by the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and by the pride of life” Luke 13:23-24. 23 Someone asked him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And he replied, 24 “Do your best to enter through the narrow gate, because I tell you that many will try to enter and will not be able to do so. Now if we as humans deal with this truth here on earth, and we are aware that except for terrible cases of abuse, every other conception and life that comes into the world is consensual in the intimate act, we cannot say that nobody forced us to bring children into the world, it was we ourselves who brought them into the world and if they end up being condemned, we would be part of that process since we could choose not to become intimate in the flesh, either in sin or within marriage. Being an omniscient God, that is to say, he has perfect wisdom and knowledge of what is going to happen and even despite knowing that most of the population was going to be condemned to hell, he allowed existence to continue even when he could have avoided all the pain and suffering of hell for the majority of his creation. First with Adam and Eve knowing that they were going to eat the forbidden fruit and then with Noah exterminating the world through the flood and saving his life and his family. Genesis 2:16-17 “16 Then the LORD God commanded the man, “You may freely eat from any tree in the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you do, you will surely die.” Genesis 6:7 “7 Then the LORD said, “I will wipe the human being whom I have created from the face of the earth. I will destroy human beings, domestic animals, those that crawl on the ground and the birds of the sky because I am sorry I made them.” are you forced to bring children to the world? if you know 100% true fact that your child will end in the eternal torture of hell do you still have carnal desire with your partner knowing he will suffer on hell just for being born? asd
Interesting that a lot of relatively well-known non-theists such as Joe, CS, Counter Apologist, and others come from a Catholic background. If Catholicism was true, I highly doubt the Holy Spirit would let a true gem of a soul like Joe become a non-Theist.
Wouldn't that be good grounds for the fullness of Free Will? That man is fully free. Free to accept, free to deny. The Holy Spirit allowed all of them to leave, because they want to.
@@glorianiaga2111 I don't see how you can reconcile the existence of free-will with religious experience like those given St. Paul and others. Joe has clearly stated numerous times that he wants Theism to be true, yet has not been given a religious experience.
The Gospel: Plain and Simple “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” - 2 Corithians 11:3 Ask someone today if they are saved and you will most likely hear responses like these: “I have accepted Jesus into my heart.” Or “I have made him Lord of my life.” “I’ve been baptized.” “I said a prayer.” Sounds all good and churchy don’t it; but it is difficult to de-termine whether or not a person actually knows the gospel that saves them. These useless phrases don’t describe a thing about what the gospel is and has left a devastating effect of people not knowing what it is that they are saved from nor how they are saved; which leaves a more serious effect of people questioning their salvation. Let’s not muddy the simplicity of salvation that is in Christ with vague church sounding phrases that do not communicate anything. But rather present God’s word with clarity and assuredness. So here is the gospel: plain and simple. Sin was passed upon all men by one man Adam, and death is a consequence of this sin (Rom 5:12). Mankind has an eternal destiny of condemnation and wrath - Hell - because of this sin (Rom 6:23). No matter what good works one might do we are still found sinners in the sight of our Creator God. And all unrighteousness and those who follow get indignation and wrath. We cannot be found righteous for by God’s law we are found sinners (Rom 3:19-20). If we have broken even one law we are found guilty. It is for this reason of not being able to create our own righteousness and being born in a sinful flesh that we need a savior (Titus 3:5). Christ is that Savior, God manifested in the flesh, sinless, died in our place on a cross 2000 years ago. Taking upon him the wrath and judgement that was intended for us sinners. And it is through his bloodshed, burial, and resurrection on our behalf that we are able to have peace with God and forgiveness of our sins (1 Cor 15:1-4, Col 3:14). This good news is unto all but only those that believe in it are made righteous in Christ (Romans 3:22). It is then after we have heard this good news of Christ’s righteousness available to us freely, that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and we are now part of Christ’s body the church (Eph 1:13) There is nothing that we need to do, no good works that are required, and no bad works that can separate us from our new position in Christ (Romans 8:35-39). Faith and belief in this information from God’s word is the gospel. The gospel is not accepting Jesus into your heart. The gospel is not making him lord of your life, it is not saying a prayer and it is not being baptized with water. So next time someone asks you if you are saved. Give them the clear assured answer “Yes And let me tell you why Find more free resources at www.graceambassadors.com
Are you saying just because you have an intellectual belief in Jesus Christ that you are assured of going to heaven? So all that seperates those going to heaven or hell is those who believe in Jesus and those who do not? Did Christ really then need to teach anything about how to live a holy life? Because as you say, nothing will take away my path to heaven if I just believe in Christ and disregard his teachings on how to life a Holy life?
@@Blasterfaster123 Right - Believing is not a ticket to go on sinning like the devil, it's clear from the complete teachings of Jesus, Holy Spirit, apostle Paul, et al that believers are to live a generally Holy life - albeit perfection not expected along with God's mercy, grace, & readiness to forgive. This is where many of the protestant type theologies miss the mark - i.e. just believe once & that's it, freedom in Christ is freedom to sin.. But if we truly Believe in the Good Sheppard then we will follow His Ways right?
@@williamrice3052 Totally agree with you. The word "faith" has lost any true authentic meaning and is commonly depicted by the act of having intellectual belief or the knowledge of Christs work. Some protestants seem to have some misunderstanding of "works". Call it deeds if you wish. If you know what Christ desires yet you do not put faith into action, then how can you say you have faith? Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father.
@@williamrice3052 Let me explain : When people bring a child into the world, it is most likely that he will end up being condemned to hell, which is established in the bible in Matthew 7: 13-14. “13 You can only enter the kingdom of God through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to hell; That is why many people prefer them. 14 But small is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life, and very few people find it." There is no way that as mere humans we can guarantee that if we have children they will go to heaven, so we will be responsible for allowing them to come into the world and then their future eternal torture in hell and damnation. Even those who try to search cannot because Satan, other evil religions, the world and the flesh itself are doing everything possible to condemn them to hell for eternity from the moment they are born. James 1:14-15 1 "14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then lust, after it has conceived, gives birth to sin; and sin, being finished, gives birth to to light death. John 2:16: “men alienated from God governed by their passions, by the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and by the pride of life” Luke 13:23-24. 23 Someone asked him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And he replied, 24 “Do your best to enter through the narrow gate, because I tell you that many will try to enter and will not be able to do so. Now if we as humans deal with this truth here on earth, and we are aware that except for terrible cases of abuse, every other conception and life that comes into the world is consensual in the intimate act, we cannot say that nobody forced us to bring children into the world, it was we ourselves who brought them into the world and if they end up being condemned, we would be part of that process since we could choose not to become intimate in the flesh, either in sin or within marriage. Being an omniscient God, that is to say, he has perfect wisdom and knowledge of what is going to happen and even despite knowing that most of the population was going to be condemned to hell, he allowed existence to continue even when he could have avoided all the pain and suffering of hell for the majority of his creation. First with Adam and Eve knowing that they were going to eat the forbidden fruit and then with Noah exterminating the world through the flood and saving his life and his family. Genesis 2:16-17 “16 Then the LORD God commanded the man, “You may freely eat from any tree in the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you do, you will surely die.” Genesis 6:7 “7 Then the LORD said, “I will wipe the human being whom I have created from the face of the earth. I will destroy human beings, domestic animals, those that crawl on the ground and the birds of the sky because I am sorry I made them.” are you forced to bring children to the world? if you know 100% true fact that your child will end in the eternal torture of hell do you still have carnal desire with your partner knowing he will suffer on hell just for being born? 21
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Wow, Joe is taller than anticipated! Glad you both were able to meet in person and have good quality discussions and fellowship!
Joe is taller, exactly my reaction !
Debunking catholicism
I'm more blessed than mary
Proof = Luke 11:27-28
27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”
28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
AMEN and AMEN.
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1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach
Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul.
_________________________
Jesus said Matthew 23:9
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11
11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father.
Sad
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Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God
Use this to defeat the argument.
Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Matthew 12:46-50
46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”
48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”.
Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.”
John 19:26-27
26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards).
By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26.
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We should not pray to apostles
Romans 1:25
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Acts 10:25-26
25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”
Acts 14:15
15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them,
Revelation 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Revelation 22:8-9
8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
Colossians 2:18
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession [a]for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34
34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Hebrews 7:25
25 Therefore He is also able to save [a]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles
There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
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Apostles are allowed to mary
1 Corinthians 9:1-5
1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry?
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The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic).
1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple
2)He sank down while walking on water
3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan
4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times
5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven
6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear
7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles.
8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land),
9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit),
10)King Soloman messed up,
11)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up.
12)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20
If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up.
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Galatians 4:21-26
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Sarah is mother of all, Not mary.
@@garerro Debunking catholicism
I'm more blessed than mary
Proof = Luke 11:27-28
27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”
28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
AMEN and AMEN.
_________________________
1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach
Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul.
_________________________
Jesus said Matthew 23:9
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11
11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father.
Sad
_________________________
Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God
Use this to defeat the argument.
Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Matthew 12:46-50
46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”
48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”.
Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.”
John 19:26-27
26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards).
By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26.
_________________________
We should not pray to apostles
Romans 1:25
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Acts 10:25-26
25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”
Acts 14:15
15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them,
Revelation 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Revelation 22:8-9
8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
Colossians 2:18
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession [a]for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34
34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Hebrews 7:25
25 Therefore He is also able to save [a]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles
There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
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Apostles are allowed to mary
1 Corinthians 9:1-5
1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry?
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The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic).
1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple
2)He sank down while walking on water
3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan
4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times
5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven
6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear
7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles.
8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land),
9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit),
10)King Soloman messed up,
11)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up.
12)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20
If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up.
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Galatians 4:21-26
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Sarah is mother of all, Not mary.
Joe is one of those guys we all can benefit from listening to, regardless of personal belief.
With respect to Divine Simplicity. The fact that I've heard several people mention Divine Simplicity as a stumbling block, yet no Catholic so far has mentioned the fact that it is not the only Catholic position is kinda strange (though maybe someone mentioned it in the comments). I highly recommend looking into the Franciscan tradition of metaphysics, starting from Alexander of Hales (and Summa Halensis) - there is literature available about it, specifically the work of Dr. Lydia Schumacher (who by the way has a neat presentation on youtube about the nature of God, in which she mentions both the Divine Simplicity and Divine Infinity approaches). I'd also recommend getting into Bonaventure (and maybe check out Brill's Companion to Bonaventure). Finally there are a bunch of videos with Dr. Jared Goff presenting Franciscan and more specifically Scotist position (Scotus is really difficult but there are many books digesting his views - start maybe from the blog The Smithy) on the issues of Simplicity, attributes, etc. Of course, that's not to say that these will eliminate all of the problems, since there is a version of Divine simplicity that all traditional Christians hold but it will eliminate a lot of the problems.
I'm not terribly surprised that Joes uses it as an argument for his agnostic position. If you're going to pile things in the agnostic bucket you're going to pick the most obtuse elements that seem the whackiest and say 'there, Catholics believe this and it's weird, therefore I'm not going to believe that'. But that's just as reasonable as saying 'The Catholic Church doesn't discount literal or special creationism in its doctrine, that's a bit whacky, ergo, I'm not going to believe in the doctrines of the Catholic Church'. It's throwing the baby out with the bathwater in my opinion and it just closes the mind to inquiry.
In Joe's defence however he does critique atheism quite harshly in ways that are likewise quite obtuse. So at least he's being somewhat impartial.
Debunking catholicism
I'm more blessed than mary
Proof = Luke 11:27-28
27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”
28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
AMEN and AMEN.
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1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach
Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul.
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Jesus said Matthew 23:9
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11
11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father.
Sad
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Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God
Use this to defeat the argument.
Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Matthew 12:46-50
46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”
48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”.
Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.”
John 19:26-27
26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards).
By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26.
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We should not pray to apostles
Romans 1:25
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Acts 10:25-26
25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”
Acts 14:15
15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them,
Revelation 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Revelation 22:8-9
8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
Colossians 2:18
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession [a]for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34
34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Hebrews 7:25
25 Therefore He is also able to save [a]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles
There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
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Apostles are allowed to mary
1 Corinthians 9:1-5
1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry?
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The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic).
1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple
2)He sank down while walking on water
3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan
4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times
5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven
6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear
7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles.
8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land),
9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit),
10)King Soloman messed up,
11)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up.
12)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20
If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up.
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Galatians 4:21-26
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Sarah is mother of all, Not mary.
@@mynameis......23 - Debunking your debunking.
“I’m more blessed than Mary”
Your verse doesn’t prove this and it doesn’t constitute a useful argument against the Catholic Church.
“Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul.”
Does he? Where does he say that bishops are to marry a human wife? He says that bishops are to be the husband of one wife - the church, the bridegroom of Christ.
“Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father.”
Nope - what Jesus meant is that no one should refer to another human being in the same manner as they refer to God, the Father. But that doesn’t preclude the use of the word ‘father’ for those who are biological fathers to children or spiritual fathers to the Church. The Pope also happens to be a holy person, as we all are, therefore it is entirely permissible to call the Pope ‘Holy Father’. if that irks you, you can also call the Pope ‘Your Holiness’.
“Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God”
So Mary isn’t the mother of Jesus, and Jesus isn’t God? I guess you’re not a Christian then? Awkwardly all your Bible versus suggest that Mary is Jesus’ mother and theology teaches us that Jesus is God, ergo Mary is the Mother of God.
“We should not pray to apostles”
Why not? There’s multiple versus in the Bible that permit prayer to the saints. We cannot worship the saints, but it is permissible to pray to them to ask for their intercession.
“For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.”
Yep - the Catholic Church doesn’t dispute.
“Apostles are allowed to mary”
Catholicism doesn’t dispute this. The Latin Rite of Catholicism requires celibacy of its priests with very specific exception (i.e. joining priesthood following marriage), but the Eastern does not. Bishops in all the Catholic Churches are required to be celibate in order to be ordained as bishops. Married priests cannot become bishops until their spouses pass away.
“the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry?”
There’s no definitive prove in the Bible that Peter was married when Jesus called him to be an apostle. It’s likely that his wife died prior to his calling to be an apostle. The requirement to remain celibate as a bishop precludes marriage as one can’t be ‘married to one wife’ when they’re married to both Church and a human wife.
“when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic”
This logic is poor. Peter was also a Jew, does that mean we all have to be Jews to be followers of Christ? No. Peter was by definition a follower of Christ, a Christian. The term Catholic arose as a result of the promulgation of heresy following the establishment of the Church, in order to define those followers that actually accorded with the teachings of Jesus, they called themselves ‘Catholic’. Peter was not by definition a Catholic, however in order to be the Bishop of Rome (i.e. the Pope) one must be ordained a bishop by those with the correct apostolic succession which is only held by the Catholic Church (and the Orthodox Church, but the Orthodox refuse to ordain a Bishop of Rome).
“If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up.”
What’s the point you’re making? That because the members of the Catholic Church are fallible that it makes the institution of the Church fallible? That’s a fallacy of composition.
“Sarah is mother of all, Not mary.”
What about Eve?
What a lovely interview. I’d love to see this again, with Jimmy Akin there to explore some of these directions. It’d be REALLY, REALLY cool to have him there in the flesh. Thanks for all you do! It’s so unique in this space.
Great book called, Answers to Questions Catholics are asking by Tony Coffee
I find what often moves people out of agnosticism is the reality of marriage and children. Creation and human beings that you are personally responsible to and for gives a very different perspective on life especially as suffering is unavoidable in relationships of commitment. It stops being theory and becomes very much practical in your life.
that is quite trouble but if you say so Let me explain the following:
When people bring a child into the world, it is most likely that he will end up being condemned to hell, which is established in the bible in
Matthew 7: 13-14.
“13 You can only enter the kingdom of God through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to hell; That is why many people prefer them. 14 But small is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life, and very few people find it."
There is no way that as mere humans we can guarantee that if we have children they will go to heaven, so we will be responsible for allowing them to come into the world and then their future eternal torture in hell and damnation.
Even those who try to search cannot because Satan, other evil religions, the world and the flesh itself are doing everything possible to condemn them to hell for eternity from the moment they are born.
James 1:14-15 1 "14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then lust, after it has conceived, gives birth to sin; and sin, being finished, gives birth to to light death.
John 2:16: “men alienated from God governed by their passions, by the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and by the pride of life”
Luke 13:23-24. 23 Someone asked him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And he replied, 24 “Do your best to enter through the narrow gate, because I tell you that many will try to enter and will not be able to do so.
Now if we as humans deal with this truth here on earth, and we are aware that except for terrible cases of abuse, every other conception and life that comes into the world is consensual in the intimate act, we cannot say that nobody forced us to bring children into the world, it was we ourselves who brought them into the world and if they end up being condemned, we would be part of that process since we could choose not to become intimate in the flesh, either in sin or within marriage.
Being an omniscient God, that is to say, he has perfect wisdom and knowledge of what is going to happen and even despite knowing that most of the population was going to be condemned to hell, he allowed existence to continue even when he could have avoided all the pain and suffering of hell for the majority of his creation. First with Adam and Eve knowing that they were going to eat the forbidden fruit and then with Noah exterminating the world through the flood and saving his life and his family.
Genesis 2:16-17
“16 Then the LORD God commanded the man, “You may freely eat from any tree in the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you do, you will surely die.”
Genesis 6:7
“7 Then the LORD said, “I will wipe the human being whom I have created from the face of the earth. I will destroy human beings, domestic animals, those that crawl on the ground and the birds of the sky because I am sorry I made them.”
are you forced to bring children to the world?
if you know 100% true fact that your child will end in the eternal torture of hell do you still have carnal desire with your partner knowing he will suffer on hell just for being born?
Joe is intoxicated with the prowess of the intellect which the God he doesn't believe in has given him. I'm sure he is sincerely seeking the truth, God bless him, but for all the brilliant minds he has read and engaged he has barely scratched the surface. If he only knew that the God he is trying so hard to discover has already revealed Himself to him in His Church and has untiringly given Himself to him all throughout his childhood in the Holy Eucharist.
Catholic here. Fascinating discussion. Thank you for posting!
Mr. Schmidt (as an intelligent young man of good will) is a good reminder to Christians (and to me), about what happens when one lets religious activities replace one’s relationship with God.
I know how tempting it is to allow religious activities (such as saying prayers or frequent attendance at church services) to substitute for one’s relationship with Jesus Christ.
Our religious piety should foster and strengthen our relationship with God, rather than substitute for it.
I wish Mr. Schmidt my best during his studies and warmly recommend Thomas Aquinas and The Thomistic Institute (and their UA-cam channel) to those interested in pursuing intellectual Christianity and more on these topics.
Spot on. Joe seems to have grown within a perhaps excessively abstract approach; regardless, he looks like an eager and nice guy,so if he seeks in earnest he will find. Kudos to Cameron for all the great work. May Our Lord guide everyone.
That man is not my pope. "Francis" is an heretic. No one can abrogate the Mass and true faith. ❤💕 ua-cam.com/video/qBebl6ApM7I/v-deo.html St Padre Pio commissioned Father Luigi Villa and others to expose ecclesiastical Freemasons and modernists who infiltrated the Church.
But he may also be casting off the personal relationship experiences as emotional or psychological experiences, rather than something real. I had a good UA-cam conversation with an agnostic just a few days ago who stopped believing in Christ after living as a devout protestant Christian for 38 years. So I think belief in God must be nurtured and grow in ALL aspects as we age. I think if someone’s faith is weighed TOO heavily toward a personal relationship-based faith, then they are also vulnerable to a potential weakening or going away of faith due to certain experiences in life. For instance, when young, we often have a fervent belief that God will answer our prayers, yet despite earnest whole-hearted prayers for a loved family member, they may still die of an illness. This can lead one to lose faith, to doubt if God is real. So while I agree with you that a personal relationship aspect MUST be part of one’s faith, it also must be more than JUST that. Part of the problem of kids losing faith when they go away from home to college is that their faith never matured enough intellectually too in order to withstand the onslaught they faced against faith from EVERY angle in faith-hostile environments.
But indeed, the agnostic in this video is an interesting example of losing faith, because it does seem perhaps that he had exposure to some strong foundational teachings and practices, yet he fell away. And I agree there could have been a lack of the personal relationship aspect to his faith. On the other hand, I’ve seen many fall from faith who grew up with Catholic charismatic backgrounds because it seems their faith became too emotional or relationship-based and didn’t have a strong enough rooting in solid teaching.
For me the bottom line is, faith should never be taken for granted, it must mature constantly as we go through our lives. God may even allow us long periods without feeling His presence in our lives, like He did for Mother Teresa (who went decades without feeling the consolation of God). It’s really a challenging world to keep faith alive in, with so many forces there to pull us away from faith, so I also think a very critical part is a vigorous communal aspect… having relationships with others where you share your faith and try to help each other to grow in faith.
@Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus the sad thing is, some people just go through the motions. The sacraments are a beautiful way in which God gives us Grace, but some people limit the Grace they receive because they are not truly cooperating with God. He will never force Himself on us, we have to give ourselves completely to Him to experience the fullness of His Grace. We can look to the Saints for wonderful examples of what this looks like… or of course, just every day Catholics who love God. You were right to point out how Sacraments and prayer are part of our relationship with God. Some people like to limit “the relationship” to the notion of an internal unscripted conversation with God. And while unscripted prayer is indeed part of a Christian’s prayer life, it is just one small of how we grow closer to God.
@Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus there seems to be a relative failure of communication here. We probably mean the same things, but in imperfect ways.
There is indeed the fact that catholics go through the motions in the sense that they fulfill the religious obligations without genuine interest. The seed was planted but the sun scorched it. We're not talking about seeds taken by the birds, or cast on hard soil. These are practicing christians. They are committed enough to the obligations. But they don't have enough interest in nurturing the relationship with God. They visit Him weekly but the conversations don't go beyond small talk. It's a chore, not a relationship.
Now of course we don't have to feel good every time we visit a loved ones. After all, love is not a feeling. It's an act of the will. So a parent that doesn't enjoy waking up early to help the child out of bed and go through the day is precisely a good and loving parent because it was done *despite* one's feelings. Love is not a feeling. It's an act of the will. You do a good thing to the person you love because you want their good. The focus is them and their good, and if you feel toiled while doing it, the greater you are loving them.
So the key here is that shallow catholics maintain their obligations out of pure, ordinary habit and nothing more, while deep catholics maintain those obligations for genuine interest in pleasing God. So going through the motions can have two opposite meanings.
This was great. It really helped in humanizing Joe. It’s a testament to his upbringing that his rebellious phase consists of rigorous and impressive philosophical inquiry. Perhaps this will serve to him as a future data point to the faith’s efficacy & social value. As a younger man it’s fair that he’s seemingly primarily focused on his epistemic position regarding the nature of reality. Perhaps though, with time, he’ll begin to consider the role the faith plays in cultivating a social framework that values the individual person & truth, as well as supports the civility, charity, and inquiry he finds himself in and has benefited so much from. I know, 1 doesn’t have to be Christian to uphold those values, but the fact that the church does, and provides a grounding for those values, adds to its merit.
As a dilettante, I’d rather get my philosophical dialectic from ‘philosophy for the people’ ‘classical theist podcast’ & CC as they both incorporate objections and reaffirm views. Seeking confirmation bias? Fair enough. Still I’d rather considerate it prudent strengthening of my positions by hearing objections and responses to those positions by people that have time to develop those responses in a spirit I would if I had the time and humbly, the ability. On my commute to work I’m not trying to rock the metaphysical foundations on which my entire worldview is based. Still I don’t won’t to simply take them as brute givens without any considerations either.
@Awesome Wrench metaphysical claims are justified via arguments, by my lights. If you’re using the world “verified” in the empirical sense then I don’t think you’ll get verification. However, I do think certain metaphysical claims are quite common. Like believing in the existence of other minds, or that the universe wasn’t created 5min ago with appearance of a past. So I wouldn’t be quick to throw out metaphysical claims qua metaphysical claims.
@Awesome Wrench same here. 1 way of supporting claims is arguments. Even the use of empirical evidence requires presupposes an argument for why empirical evidence is valid, by my lights.
So grateful for your channel! God Bless!^_^
I didn't take the Catholic Church seriously for almost 30 years bc all the Catholics I knew "went to Catholic school".
Yea that’s defo a hard thing for me. The Protestant school I attend as a Catholic is more Christian that the Catholic school.
"I went to Catholic school for 15 years and"
"I'm sorry to hear that, I recommend reading the Catechism of thr Catholic Church for a proper yet basic introduction to the Catholic faith"
Hey guys. This is my one and only argument. Jesus of Nazareth literally rose from the dead and the historical proof for that event is overwhelming. Ever wonder why authentic Christians are so darn happy? That's why. To be honest... Can I be honest? I couldn't care less about arguments or "my experience" or philosophy or psychology or etc., etc., etc. Only that Person.
its is not actually overwhelming is quite poor, not saying that is impossible even it could be true but the evidence is really bad check Paulogia channel there you will find a deep understanding of the evidence even with Christians side sometimes hope you go for the true all way and not just for what other people say.
@Joe, 2 Q's bro: 1) thought(s) on Alvin Plantinga's "Evolutionary Arguement Against Naturalism"? 2) thoughts on Magis Center's founder / author Robert Spitzer, SJ's stuff on happiness/suffering, and his book "New Proofs for the Existence of God: Contributions of Contemporary Physics and Philosophy"? Peace!
What? (Literally) In ‘Time’? Is a day to God? We always put it in the context of ‘OUR’ 24 Hour Day~The Universe Is Vast❤️🙏🏼❤️
Thank You For Your Podcast~Always A Joy & Enlightening🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Bro his school sounds epic
When will you post the debate between Trent and Alex
Awesome t shirt Cameron
Hey Joe , curious if you ever considered Eastern Orthodox or Greek or how ever you prefer to call it ; also you regard truth as objective correct? Meaning our subjective experience doesn’t play a role in the capital T Truth.
On the "let's consider a non-perfect God" whilst the problem of evil dissapears from the atheists "side" a bunch of arguments dissappears from the theist "side"
Ontological arguments, maybe some contingency arguments.
A lot of theist arguments answer to "how can God do this" is well he is perfect and can do stuff like that
Great video
Am I surprised that Joe is a Catholic? No. I imagine given his inquiry, he'll eventually get back to practicing his faith. His departure from his faith isn't overly compelling and it's likewise not surprising he's agnostic and firmly not atheist.
Did you even watch the video? Joe is explicitly not a Catholic, he's an agnostic. And he said that even if he came to believe Jesus rose from the dead, he would still have to do a lot of research to decide which form of Christianity he would embrace.
@@doctorg.k.spoderminsr.2588 - Yes I did watch the video. I’m very familiar with Joe’s work more broadly. Your statement is incorrect. Joe calls himself agnostic but he is Catholic and will remain a Catholic until he dies by virtue of his baptism. According to Catholic theology (which I can point you to, if you’re uncertain) you don’t lose your Catholicism if you choose not to believe in God. Not even excommunication erases your baptism.
Catholicism (or Christianity for those not Catholic) describes your state of being, agnosticism/theism/atheism describes your position (i.e. what you believe).
Joe is technically a Catholic that is not practising his religion. If he doesn’t want to practice his religion, he is free to do so. He currently doesn’t practice his religion because he isn’t convinced of the existence of God and his position on God is agnostic.
If he did come to believe that Jesus rose from the dead, he’s still a Catholic. If he chose to practice another Christian religion, he’s still a non-practicing Catholic who is now in heresy and in moral sin. But, again, he’s allowed to do that, if he wants.
If he wanted to rejoin the Catholic Church all he would need to do is go to confession, he wouldn't need to re-baptise himself or redo any of the sacraments he has already obtained that you require to be a functioning Catholic. Unlike say a Protestant that would need to complete a few sacraments or an atheist convert to Catholicism that would require at least baptism.
If he was never baptised a Catholic, then yes I would agree with you that he is not Catholic if he was never validly baptised (i.e. using the correct form of the rite) then we could also say he is not even Christian. We could then call Joe an agnostic. But the agnosticism isn’t really meaningful. The term ‘agnostic’ isn’t exclusively tied to religion, you can be agnostic on multiple non-theistic subject matters. Agnosticism is also not meaningful in describing what Joe IS but rather what he believes. You can be an atheist and technically still be a Catholic, if you’re baptised a Catholic.
@@doctorg.k.spoderminsr.2588 - To further illustrate my point, if you look at my statement you'll see the correct use of the article "a" in the English language, i.e. "a Catholic" and "agnostic" and "atheist".
You can't be "an agnostic", it doesn't make sense, which is why we don't place the article "an" before "agnostic", if we're being careful.
If you're using the term 'an agnostic' the natural question is then - 'an agnostic on what matter'. In fact, that question itself is even poorly phrased, you would more correctly say 'agnostic on what matter' if you're using correct grammatical structure.
Anyway, my ramble here was to illustrate that not only were you theologically incorrect in making the claim that 'Joe is an agnostic' you were also not using English in its correct grammatical form - which is a firm clue as to the correct use of the terms 'Catholic' and 'agnostic'.
@@emiliawisniewski3947 The stuff you're pushing here is very primitive and tribal, and it's an old tactic employed by many religions. Islam is notorious for this, Muslims never let apostates "get away" - they always claim them as somehow still a member of their tribe, even if they are in peril with Allah. Mormons also give the same vibe of claiming some form of eternal "ownership" over kids who were raised Mormon. "You're still one of us, you can never escape, even if you explicitly reject us" is a classic attitude within cults and religions. This tactic is disrespectful to individuals, and it contains a very ugly motive behind it, one simultaneously full of fear of members leaving, and also a desire for power and control over the lives of others, cradle to grave. My advice to you would be to grow up and grow out of this primitive way of thinking and viewing other people.
@@jamesjersey7469 - I'm just clarifying what Catholic theology states. If you don't like it and don't agree, then you don't like it and don't agree. Great, welcome to having an opinion. Your opinion however is your opinion, it doesn’t necessarily make it any more true than any other opinion.
I find your final statement intriguing because I lived with an atheist for a long time (I was agnostic at the time) who kept calling me an atheist. Every time I explained what I actually am and believe, which was not dissimilar to Joe's position, he would simply state 'No, you're an atheist', as if he couldn't understand basic reasoning. "No, I would say, I'm a baptised Catholic, so I'm technically a Catholic but I'm agnostic on the existence of God." "That's basically an atheist, you're an atheist" he would retort. Interestingly enough he was a self-professed Jew. That is, he called himself an atheist because he didn't believe in God, but whenever it came to explaining who he was, he always referred to himself as a Jew. I queried him I said 'Why do you call yourself a Jew when you are an atheist, you can't be both simultaneously.’ He then explained to me because of circumcision, having a Jewish mother, being raised in the faith etc. that made him a Jew and he is right, all those things technically do make him a non-practicing Jew who calls himself an atheist. He was a Jew of convenience, very quick to point out antisemitic statements or behaviours and assert the existence of Israel (who only exists because of religion), yet all the while profoundly disagreeing with every figment of Jewish faith. But it would be profoundly incorrect to not call him a Jew.
So I actually agree with you, your statement likewise extends to the cult of atheism. Atheism has the same mechanism as religion, because it’s a belief structure. In fact many atheists claim that all humans are born atheists, which is a profoundly unusual, but a claim nonetheless. They make that claim for the very reason that you suggest, as an ‘ugly motive’, trying to instil fear in the human population in order to seek power and control over the lives of others, cradle to grave. More crucially atheism primitively assumes that we have no free will, unlike most theistic branches of religion. Therefore according to some atheists, not only am I an atheist by virtue of my mere existence, but I can never reasonably leave this position, even if I baptise myself a Christian. Sad, isn’t it?
What you’re missing is a focus on the actual question -
which position is actually true? Theism? Atheism? Agnosticism? Can we determine the truth of any of these positions? So my advice to you would be to open your mind a little, retreat away from your dogmatic hold on whichever position your currently taking and try and follow the evidence where it reasonably leads.
Cam, will you record and release this event for posting later on UA-cam. Plenty of us would love to see it but can’t make it all the way to Houston.
I think he holds on to the content and releases them very slowly. I was completely baffled when he hosted the last conference after hyping it up in every video only for him to upload 1 video of the conference in like 2 months(?)
David Bentley Hart came to mind when you guys were discussing both Divine simplicity and universal restoration to God….would be a great guest.
he's an absolute fraud, what are you talking about?
@@cyriljorge986 Let me explain:
When people bring a child into the world, it is most likely that he will end up being condemned to hell, which is established in the bible in
Matthew 7: 13-14.
“13 You can only enter the kingdom of God through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to hell; That is why many people prefer them. 14 But small is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life, and very few people find it."
There is no way that as mere humans we can guarantee that if we have children they will go to heaven, so we will be responsible for allowing them to come into the world and then their future eternal torture in hell and damnation.
Even those who try to search cannot because Satan, other evil religions, the world and the flesh itself are doing everything possible to condemn them to hell for eternity from the moment they are born.
James 1:14-15 1 "14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then lust, after it has conceived, gives birth to sin; and sin, being finished, gives birth to to light death.
John 2:16: “men alienated from God governed by their passions, by the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and by the pride of life”
Luke 13:23-24. 23 Someone asked him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And he replied, 24 “Do your best to enter through the narrow gate, because I tell you that many will try to enter and will not be able to do so.
Now if we as humans deal with this truth here on earth, and we are aware that except for terrible cases of abuse, every other conception and life that comes into the world is consensual in the intimate act, we cannot say that nobody forced us to bring children into the world, it was we ourselves who brought them into the world and if they end up being condemned, we would be part of that process since we could choose not to become intimate in the flesh, either in sin or within marriage.
Being an omniscient God, that is to say, he has perfect wisdom and knowledge of what is going to happen and even despite knowing that most of the population was going to be condemned to hell, he allowed existence to continue even when he could have avoided all the pain and suffering of hell for the majority of his creation. First with Adam and Eve knowing that they were going to eat the forbidden fruit and then with Noah exterminating the world through the flood and saving his life and his family.
Genesis 2:16-17
“16 Then the LORD God commanded the man, “You may freely eat from any tree in the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you do, you will surely die.”
Genesis 6:7
“7 Then the LORD said, “I will wipe the human being whom I have created from the face of the earth. I will destroy human beings, domestic animals, those that crawl on the ground and the birds of the sky because I am sorry I made them.”
are you forced to bring children to the world?
if you know 100% true fact that your child will end in the eternal torture of hell do you still have carnal desire with your partner knowing he will suffer on hell just for being born?
@@a.39886 Your interpretation of the Bible is worth zero, and therefore your conclusions are unjustified
@@cyriljorge986 if you know 100% true fact that your child will end in the eternal torture of hell do you still have carnal desire with your partner knowing he will suffer on hell just for being born?
@@a.39886 You sound crazy no offense
Joe noted which way he would go if he were to Believe again - all of us believers in Christ can be encouraged by that :) Under the Catholic system (as I understand it) since he was baptized already, and if he avoids and/or repents of mortal sin, Joe is still in good standing with God even though he's agnostic and does not exactly believe in God at the moment. That sounds nice, but see how this differs from typical 'protestant christianity' where Believing is critical. Ultimately it's not up to us how salvation works, but God. Fortunately anyone can pray and ask God to reveal His ways to us, give us His Holy Spirit, and help our unbelief.
damn this guy is 21 years old? I'm just a regular Joe Schmuck, wish I could be a Joe Schmid
Joe looks just like Tom Holland, and all I can think is that Spider-Man is Catholic!
I dont understand why its so hard to choose. What early church father was a protestant??🤔... St. Agustine, Thosmas aquinas were all catholics. If you wana become protestant then believe jesus rose from the dead 500 years ago when martin luther established his own bible
Let me explain :
When people bring a child into the world, it is most likely that he will end up being condemned to hell, which is established in the bible in
Matthew 7: 13-14.
“13 You can only enter the kingdom of God through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to hell; That is why many people prefer them. 14 But small is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life, and very few people find it."
There is no way that as mere humans we can guarantee that if we have children they will go to heaven, so we will be responsible for allowing them to come into the world and then their future eternal torture in hell and damnation.
Even those who try to search cannot because Satan, other evil religions, the world and the flesh itself are doing everything possible to condemn them to hell for eternity from the moment they are born.
James 1:14-15 1 "14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then lust, after it has conceived, gives birth to sin; and sin, being finished, gives birth to to light death.
John 2:16: “men alienated from God governed by their passions, by the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and by the pride of life”
Luke 13:23-24. 23 Someone asked him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And he replied, 24 “Do your best to enter through the narrow gate, because I tell you that many will try to enter and will not be able to do so.
Now if we as humans deal with this truth here on earth, and we are aware that except for terrible cases of abuse, every other conception and life that comes into the world is consensual in the intimate act, we cannot say that nobody forced us to bring children into the world, it was we ourselves who brought them into the world and if they end up being condemned, we would be part of that process since we could choose not to become intimate in the flesh, either in sin or within marriage.
Being an omniscient God, that is to say, he has perfect wisdom and knowledge of what is going to happen and even despite knowing that most of the population was going to be condemned to hell, he allowed existence to continue even when he could have avoided all the pain and suffering of hell for the majority of his creation. First with Adam and Eve knowing that they were going to eat the forbidden fruit and then with Noah exterminating the world through the flood and saving his life and his family.
Genesis 2:16-17
“16 Then the LORD God commanded the man, “You may freely eat from any tree in the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you do, you will surely die.”
Genesis 6:7
“7 Then the LORD said, “I will wipe the human being whom I have created from the face of the earth. I will destroy human beings, domestic animals, those that crawl on the ground and the birds of the sky because I am sorry I made them.”
are you forced to bring children to the world?
if you know 100% true fact that your child will end in the eternal torture of hell do you still have carnal desire with your partner knowing he will suffer on hell just for being born?
ga
@@a.39886 First and foremost, careful how you compare the old testament with the new testament... it is the same loving God but in the old the people of God were a barbaric community. God is immutable, therefore God doesnt change but humans do change. You dont treat a 2 year old the same you would treat a 20 year old, the same principle applies to the rest of us. Now in the new testament God has fully revealed himself to us. " in the eternal silence of the trinity God our father spoke one word, his only word (Jesus) and he has no more to say". Salvation is a process therefore I say i have been saved, im been saved and i hope to be saved. Presumptuous is a sin againts the Holy Spirit, therefore unless God gives you a private revelation, you cannot assume someone will be saved or lost for all eternity. God is outside of space and time which means we can always pray for the unknown i.e. the salvation of someone who has died or for a future event. Trusting in God with our prayers gives us hope to continue fighting the good fight. I would do my best to teach the faith to my children and unceasingly pray for their salvation. We all have free will and once we check out from this world, our "will" is fix for all eternity. Therefore God doesnt send anyone to hell but rather individuals like the fallen angels make that choice.
@@jesushernandez-eo8fq so even if god has the foreknowledge that creating Adam and Eve he would condemn most mankind to hell and eternal sufferings according to you that does not make God the Autor of evil?
so according to you god didn`t have a choice he was forced to create us? "
"god" has no free will then?
who forced got to create mankind just to send most of it to hell
did god:
needed worship?
needed company?
needed praise?
needed condemnation?
needed salvation?
needed anything form humans?
was he not all perfect by himself?
it is insane the lengths that you go to defend what can’t be defended
"Yes, you are correct that God could have simply created souls without free will and incorruptible and placed them into heaven and told them every day how much He loves them"
he is watching most mankind suffer the eternal torture of hell just for you can know he loves you.
don't you see this is a bad explanation?
@@a.39886 once again, God doesnt condemn anyone to hell, we get to choose by our actions. It wouldn't be loved if we were forced. God gives every person sufficient Grace to be saved but we must cooperate with God. Just cause God knows our choices doesnt mean he causes any type of influence. Angels are far superior to us so they were given a test, yet since our intellect is far inferior, God gives us ample time throughout our lives. God wasnt forced to create us, God choose to create the human race out of his abundant love. He desires for us to share one day for all eternity in his divine glory in heaven, but its a choice, we get to choose and God will respect for those who are stubborn, whos hearts are hard and desire to be separated from God for all eternity. God is omniscient, omnipotent so he lacks nothing. God doesn't need us but out of love choose to reveal himself to us. Authentic love is trully tested when its given freely without any forced, if we didnt have free will then God would've made us into string puppets. You automatically know when somebody loves you. When that person makes a choice on their own without having a gun forcing them to love you, that wouldn't be Authentic love
@@jesushernandez-eo8fq "When that person makes a choice on their own without having a gun forcing them to love you"
hell is just what you described
I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world.
you may try to avoid this hard true but with the exception of terrible cases of abuse, all other conception is consensual in the act, nobody forced you to have intimacy and then have children, it was you who brought them into the world and you will also be guilty if they end up suffering eternally in hell just for satisfy your carnal desire,
Think that every day you see your children there will be Satan, Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, and all other devil religion and the world and the flesh itself trying to damn your child for eternity the moment they are born,,,
In most Christian religions contraception is seeing as a diabolical instrument of sin that contends you to hell, no wonder why this keep happening
Arsenal fans unite👊👊
Orthodoxy!!
The Catholic model of God is actually very limited when it comes to official doctrine or dogma. Exceedingly little is “required” belief. There are many, many models of God that are compatible with Catholicism.
Eh. NO.
Erm, not that it matters much, but his speaking manner reminds me very much of Ben Shapiro.
This reminds me of an interview with a young ex trans woman. Who was indoctrinated and groomed by strangers online to abandon her family's values for that of strangers and became trans on meds until she finally woke up from the nightmare she was caught in
Super bizarre takeaway but ok
Just want to chime in... In the ends God is God. .. all our "knowledge and philosophy" and all the noise in this world are just the guard rail for our mind to not fall into a deeper trench... In the ends God is God .... All our knowledge and thinking are just there to entertain us. The closest to the Truth is the Teaching of the Catholic Church not protestantism...because the Catholic Church teaching is base on the Bible and Human living Tradition... Not protestantism that anyone can be biblical scholar without the rich living Tradition for 2000 years... Young people like Joe like to wander around and discover things for themselves.. but when u live to a certain age, you just want true peace in your mind and heart. ... God is very simple..God can give us that... You can be on your journey to discovery different knowledge this and that ... But in the ends, God and peace with your mind soul is what you want when you are tired in this life.... Tired of different philosophical ideas and concepts.. this and that... In the end it is what the Catholic Church can offer.. it is the Church built in this Rock. Rome is built on the Tomb of St. Peter ..
Let me explain :
When people bring a child into the world, it is most likely that he will end up being condemned to hell, which is established in the bible in
Matthew 7: 13-14.
“13 You can only enter the kingdom of God through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to hell; That is why many people prefer them. 14 But small is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life, and very few people find it."
There is no way that as mere humans we can guarantee that if we have children they will go to heaven, so we will be responsible for allowing them to come into the world and then their future eternal torture in hell and damnation.
Even those who try to search cannot because Satan, other evil religions, the world and the flesh itself are doing everything possible to condemn them to hell for eternity from the moment they are born.
James 1:14-15 1 "14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then lust, after it has conceived, gives birth to sin; and sin, being finished, gives birth to to light death.
John 2:16: “men alienated from God governed by their passions, by the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and by the pride of life”
Luke 13:23-24. 23 Someone asked him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And he replied, 24 “Do your best to enter through the narrow gate, because I tell you that many will try to enter and will not be able to do so.
Now if we as humans deal with this truth here on earth, and we are aware that except for terrible cases of abuse, every other conception and life that comes into the world is consensual in the intimate act, we cannot say that nobody forced us to bring children into the world, it was we ourselves who brought them into the world and if they end up being condemned, we would be part of that process since we could choose not to become intimate in the flesh, either in sin or within marriage.
Being an omniscient God, that is to say, he has perfect wisdom and knowledge of what is going to happen and even despite knowing that most of the population was going to be condemned to hell, he allowed existence to continue even when he could have avoided all the pain and suffering of hell for the majority of his creation. First with Adam and Eve knowing that they were going to eat the forbidden fruit and then with Noah exterminating the world through the flood and saving his life and his family.
Genesis 2:16-17
“16 Then the LORD God commanded the man, “You may freely eat from any tree in the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you do, you will surely die.”
Genesis 6:7
“7 Then the LORD said, “I will wipe the human being whom I have created from the face of the earth. I will destroy human beings, domestic animals, those that crawl on the ground and the birds of the sky because I am sorry I made them.”
are you forced to bring children to the world?
if you know 100% true fact that your child will end in the eternal torture of hell do you still have carnal desire with your partner knowing he will suffer on hell just for being born?
na
@@a.39886 What's your point friend
@@baotrixe60 if you know 100% true fact that your child will end in the eternal torture of hell do you still have carnal desire with your partner knowing he will suffer on hell just for being born?
@@a.39886 Why in hell ? When human have freedom ? Seeing a person fall into a ditch is just knowledge but there can be like a possibility that person may not fall into a ditch. That's call freedom. Human choice. The possibility of things changes to different ending is still out there.
Some people like to paint the ugly picture of God by saying God know a person headed to hell, why created him? Why not say God original intentions is to create them for heaven but somewhere in between their actions and intentions chooses hell
I think this young man is being too intellectual about God and not incorporating his heart. That has pulled him away from many truths he is unable to grasp. Matthew 13:10-17 I hope this message helps. Also excepting the Lord I need to do it the same way the child understands being totally open and excepting. If we over analyze we can miss some of the basic concepts. Like in the words (in Jesus I trust)
The problem is that childlike faith is just one part of jesus's teachings. Others less simple. Like spiritual warfare, driving out demons, hell, preaching the gospel, eternal rewards, ect, ect. Its easy to pick one chapter and build your whole faith on it. But read the whole new testament, how bout, read the whole bible and tell me if things are still simple or childlike.......? Help?
@@hannavanderberg1673 Let me explain :
When people bring a child into the world, it is most likely that he will end up being condemned to hell, which is established in the bible in
Matthew 7: 13-14.
“13 You can only enter the kingdom of God through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to hell; That is why many people prefer them. 14 But small is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life, and very few people find it."
There is no way that as mere humans we can guarantee that if we have children they will go to heaven, so we will be responsible for allowing them to come into the world and then their future eternal torture in hell and damnation.
Even those who try to search cannot because Satan, other evil religions, the world and the flesh itself are doing everything possible to condemn them to hell for eternity from the moment they are born.
James 1:14-15 1 "14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then lust, after it has conceived, gives birth to sin; and sin, being finished, gives birth to to light death.
John 2:16: “men alienated from God governed by their passions, by the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and by the pride of life”
Luke 13:23-24. 23 Someone asked him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And he replied, 24 “Do your best to enter through the narrow gate, because I tell you that many will try to enter and will not be able to do so.
Now if we as humans deal with this truth here on earth, and we are aware that except for terrible cases of abuse, every other conception and life that comes into the world is consensual in the intimate act, we cannot say that nobody forced us to bring children into the world, it was we ourselves who brought them into the world and if they end up being condemned, we would be part of that process since we could choose not to become intimate in the flesh, either in sin or within marriage.
Being an omniscient God, that is to say, he has perfect wisdom and knowledge of what is going to happen and even despite knowing that most of the population was going to be condemned to hell, he allowed existence to continue even when he could have avoided all the pain and suffering of hell for the majority of his creation. First with Adam and Eve knowing that they were going to eat the forbidden fruit and then with Noah exterminating the world through the flood and saving his life and his family.
Genesis 2:16-17
“16 Then the LORD God commanded the man, “You may freely eat from any tree in the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you do, you will surely die.”
Genesis 6:7
“7 Then the LORD said, “I will wipe the human being whom I have created from the face of the earth. I will destroy human beings, domestic animals, those that crawl on the ground and the birds of the sky because I am sorry I made them.”
are you forced to bring children to the world?
if you know 100% true fact that your child will end in the eternal torture of hell do you still have carnal desire with your partner knowing he will suffer on hell just for being born?
asd
Hearing young men like this one speak and wrestle reminds me of what Jesus said, "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” It is not impossible, but it does point to a reality that those who are rich (in his case, rich in intellect) find it almost impossible to have faith. They lean on their own understanding. God desires your faith dear boy.
It's like watching two people have a conversation about the possibility of tigers existing.
The separated brothers, always attacking the Church Created by Christ. I understand that being part of a church created by a Man in 1520 (Luther) burns them, but with their envy they betray the fundamental principles of God.
LOL 😆 : reforming it : bro!
This is the definition of taking a religious high ground and then pretending as if you are having the same effect as Jeremiah the prophet! It's a laughable effort but laughable does not mean respectable (and respectable does not mean, conclude as Protestants conclude).
No Q&A? Boo!
This is what happens when your like enstiene smart but still marry your cousin
Can I get an ID on cameron's pants please
Huh?? Big waste of time in my book! 😥
I left Roman Catholicism, including a cushy career in it, for Eastern Orthodoxy, and never once looked back. Roman Catholicism is a long-sunken ship.
Debunking catholicism
I'm more blessed than mary
Proof = Luke 11:27-28
27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”
28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
AMEN and AMEN.
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1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach
Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul.
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Jesus said Matthew 23:9
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11
11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father.
Sad
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Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God
Use this to defeat the argument.
Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Matthew 12:46-50
46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”
48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”.
Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.”
John 19:26-27
26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards).
By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26.
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We should not pray to apostles
Romans 1:25
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Acts 10:25-26
25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”
Acts 14:15
15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them,
Revelation 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Revelation 22:8-9
8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
Colossians 2:18
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession [a]for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34
34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Hebrews 7:25
25 Therefore He is also able to save [a]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles
There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
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Apostles are allowed to mary
1 Corinthians 9:1-5
1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry?
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The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic).
1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple
2)He sank down while walking on water
3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan
4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times
5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven
6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear
7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles.
8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land),
9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit),
10)King Soloman messed up,
11)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up.
12)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20
If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up.
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Galatians 4:21-26
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Sarah is mother of all, Not mary.
You live in an echo chamber… those are all horrible arguments, like horribly weak…
@@kinggoldstang Let me explain :
When people bring a child into the world, it is most likely that he will end up being condemned to hell, which is established in the bible in
Matthew 7: 13-14.
“13 You can only enter the kingdom of God through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to hell; That is why many people prefer them. 14 But small is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life, and very few people find it."
There is no way that as mere humans we can guarantee that if we have children they will go to heaven, so we will be responsible for allowing them to come into the world and then their future eternal torture in hell and damnation.
Even those who try to search cannot because Satan, other evil religions, the world and the flesh itself are doing everything possible to condemn them to hell for eternity from the moment they are born.
James 1:14-15 1 "14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then lust, after it has conceived, gives birth to sin; and sin, being finished, gives birth to to light death.
John 2:16: “men alienated from God governed by their passions, by the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and by the pride of life”
Luke 13:23-24. 23 Someone asked him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And he replied, 24 “Do your best to enter through the narrow gate, because I tell you that many will try to enter and will not be able to do so.
Now if we as humans deal with this truth here on earth, and we are aware that except for terrible cases of abuse, every other conception and life that comes into the world is consensual in the intimate act, we cannot say that nobody forced us to bring children into the world, it was we ourselves who brought them into the world and if they end up being condemned, we would be part of that process since we could choose not to become intimate in the flesh, either in sin or within marriage.
Being an omniscient God, that is to say, he has perfect wisdom and knowledge of what is going to happen and even despite knowing that most of the population was going to be condemned to hell, he allowed existence to continue even when he could have avoided all the pain and suffering of hell for the majority of his creation. First with Adam and Eve knowing that they were going to eat the forbidden fruit and then with Noah exterminating the world through the flood and saving his life and his family.
Genesis 2:16-17
“16 Then the LORD God commanded the man, “You may freely eat from any tree in the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you do, you will surely die.”
Genesis 6:7
“7 Then the LORD said, “I will wipe the human being whom I have created from the face of the earth. I will destroy human beings, domestic animals, those that crawl on the ground and the birds of the sky because I am sorry I made them.”
are you forced to bring children to the world?
if you know 100% true fact that your child will end in the eternal torture of hell do you still have carnal desire with your partner knowing he will suffer on hell just for being born?
asd
Good solid arguments.
Joe...representing Emirates, lol! Paid by UAE government
Interesting that a lot of relatively well-known non-theists such as Joe, CS, Counter Apologist, and others come from a Catholic background. If Catholicism was true, I highly doubt the Holy Spirit would let a true gem of a soul like Joe become a non-Theist.
That's a brand-new phrasing of the Problem of Evil!
Wouldn't that be good grounds for the fullness of Free Will? That man is fully free. Free to accept, free to deny. The Holy Spirit allowed all of them to leave, because they want to.
@@glorianiaga2111 100% right.
@@glorianiaga2111 I don't see how you can reconcile the existence of free-will with religious experience like those given St. Paul and others. Joe has clearly stated numerous times that he wants Theism to be true, yet has not been given a religious experience.
@@cactoidjim1477 more like problem of holy spirit
The Gospel:
Plain and
Simple
“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent
beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your
minds should be corrupted from the simplicity
that is in Christ.” - 2 Corithians 11:3
Ask someone today if they are saved and
you will most likely hear responses like these:
“I have accepted Jesus into my heart.” Or “I
have made him Lord of my life.” “I’ve been
baptized.” “I said a prayer.” Sounds all good
and churchy don’t it; but it is difficult to de-termine whether or not a person actually
knows the gospel that saves them. These useless phrases don’t describe a thing about what
the gospel is and has left a devastating effect
of people not knowing what it is that they are
saved from nor how they are saved; which
leaves a more serious effect of people questioning their salvation.
Let’s not muddy the simplicity of salvation that is in Christ with vague church
sounding phrases that do not communicate
anything. But rather present God’s word with
clarity and assuredness. So here is the gospel:
plain and simple.
Sin was passed upon all men by one man
Adam, and death is a consequence of this sin
(Rom 5:12). Mankind has an eternal destiny of
condemnation and wrath - Hell - because of
this sin (Rom 6:23). No matter what good
works one might do we are still found sinners
in the sight of our Creator God. And all unrighteousness and those who follow get indignation and wrath. We cannot be found
righteous for by God’s law we are found sinners (Rom 3:19-20). If we have broken even
one law we are found guilty.
It is for this reason of not being able to
create our own righteousness and being born
in a sinful flesh that we need a savior (Titus
3:5). Christ is that Savior, God manifested in
the flesh, sinless, died in our place on a cross
2000 years ago. Taking upon him the wrath
and judgement that was intended for us sinners. And it is through his bloodshed, burial,
and resurrection on our behalf that we are
able to have peace with God and forgiveness
of our sins (1 Cor 15:1-4, Col 3:14). This good
news is unto all but only those that believe in
it are made righteous in Christ (Romans
3:22).
It is then after we have heard this good
news of Christ’s righteousness available to us freely, that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit
and we are now part of Christ’s body the
church (Eph 1:13)
There is nothing that we need to do, no
good works that are required, and no bad
works that can separate us from our new position in Christ (Romans 8:35-39).
Faith and belief in this information from
God’s word is the gospel.
The gospel is not accepting Jesus into your
heart. The gospel is not making him lord of
your life, it is not saying a prayer and it is not
being baptized with water.
So next time someone asks you if you are
saved. Give them the clear assured answer
“Yes And let me tell you why
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Are you saying just because you have an intellectual belief in Jesus Christ that you are assured of going to heaven? So all that seperates those going to heaven or hell is those who believe in Jesus and those who do not? Did Christ really then need to teach anything about how to live a holy life? Because as you say, nothing will take away my path to heaven if I just believe in Christ and disregard his teachings on how to life a Holy life?
@@Blasterfaster123 Right - Believing is not a ticket to go on sinning like the devil, it's clear from the complete teachings of Jesus, Holy Spirit, apostle Paul, et al that believers are to live a generally Holy life - albeit perfection not expected along with God's mercy, grace, & readiness to forgive. This is where many of the protestant type theologies miss the mark - i.e. just believe once & that's it, freedom in Christ is freedom to sin.. But if we truly Believe in the Good Sheppard then we will follow His Ways right?
@@williamrice3052 Totally agree with you. The word "faith" has lost any true authentic meaning and is commonly depicted by the act of having intellectual belief or the knowledge of Christs work. Some protestants seem to have some misunderstanding of "works". Call it deeds if you wish. If you know what Christ desires yet you do not put faith into action, then how can you say you have faith?
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father.
@@williamrice3052 Let me explain :
When people bring a child into the world, it is most likely that he will end up being condemned to hell, which is established in the bible in
Matthew 7: 13-14.
“13 You can only enter the kingdom of God through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to hell; That is why many people prefer them. 14 But small is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life, and very few people find it."
There is no way that as mere humans we can guarantee that if we have children they will go to heaven, so we will be responsible for allowing them to come into the world and then their future eternal torture in hell and damnation.
Even those who try to search cannot because Satan, other evil religions, the world and the flesh itself are doing everything possible to condemn them to hell for eternity from the moment they are born.
James 1:14-15 1 "14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then lust, after it has conceived, gives birth to sin; and sin, being finished, gives birth to to light death.
John 2:16: “men alienated from God governed by their passions, by the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and by the pride of life”
Luke 13:23-24. 23 Someone asked him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And he replied, 24 “Do your best to enter through the narrow gate, because I tell you that many will try to enter and will not be able to do so.
Now if we as humans deal with this truth here on earth, and we are aware that except for terrible cases of abuse, every other conception and life that comes into the world is consensual in the intimate act, we cannot say that nobody forced us to bring children into the world, it was we ourselves who brought them into the world and if they end up being condemned, we would be part of that process since we could choose not to become intimate in the flesh, either in sin or within marriage.
Being an omniscient God, that is to say, he has perfect wisdom and knowledge of what is going to happen and even despite knowing that most of the population was going to be condemned to hell, he allowed existence to continue even when he could have avoided all the pain and suffering of hell for the majority of his creation. First with Adam and Eve knowing that they were going to eat the forbidden fruit and then with Noah exterminating the world through the flood and saving his life and his family.
Genesis 2:16-17
“16 Then the LORD God commanded the man, “You may freely eat from any tree in the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you do, you will surely die.”
Genesis 6:7
“7 Then the LORD said, “I will wipe the human being whom I have created from the face of the earth. I will destroy human beings, domestic animals, those that crawl on the ground and the birds of the sky because I am sorry I made them.”
are you forced to bring children to the world?
if you know 100% true fact that your child will end in the eternal torture of hell do you still have carnal desire with your partner knowing he will suffer on hell just for being born?
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