It was so funny hearing him refer to the safety records of CERTIFIED Submersibles as proof that his UNCERTIFIED Sub was just as safe. Talk about misusing data.
@@YouCanCallMeReTro If he had only risked his own life, that would be extremely foolish. He risked everyone else's lives on his uninformed and unfounded self-confidence, and that's callous to the point of sociopathy. It's good for him that he isn't around to hear what people think of him. My opinion would take the vocabulary of an army sergeant to express properly.
He thumbed his nose at every legitimate warning. It's no different than the idiot in South Carolina who got bit by the Inland Taipan he was free handling!
I haven't looked into this in awhile but from what I remember wasn't Stockton wanting to be the Elon Musk of the ocean? Feel like that may have fed into his wanting to get it done faster than normal and just ending up killing himself and others.
@@Cryptosporidium140 you are correct. his own words. It was in an interview for a documentary. Said he originally wanted to go to space, but then wanted to be known as the Elon Musk of the Ocean/Sea. You can find it, I’m sure.
Whoever raised this main did a wonderful job because he is empathetic, intelligent, and has a strong moral compass. He is there fighting for the victims of Stockton Rush and finally gets to say his peace. You can tell how angry he is yet he still maintains professionalism. Bravo to this BOSS man!
@@Flea-Flickerhaha isn’t this an Edinburgh accent he has-kinda posh? It’s very easy to understand compared to like a thick Glaswegian accent. He could present for the BBC or something
@@Flea-Flicker Do you people want to stop the Fetishization towards us scots. Its genuinely cringe and disgusting. We dont need it or your type. Its bad enough you lot come here expecting it to be a paradise once you've found out, your 1% scottish, never mind our accent(s). The man is intelligent, yes, name a scot that isn't intelligent in one way or another but leave the rest at the door. Its becoming annoying trait to read in the comment section of videos to with mr lockridge. I don't see it on the other videos of the people who've spoken out.
I feel bad for this guy. He clearly tried to do the right thing and do his job, and was punished for it by the company that employed him. He's venting his frustration more than anything here and losing his cool in front of an official investigation hearing, but they are allowing him to express that frustration because he's totally justified in it. I imagine upon hearing the OceanGate news last year he felt a combination of vindication in being proven right, and regret that innocent people lost their lives despite his best efforts.
I don't really get why we shame people for being human; emotions are 100% part of thinking. Recalling this trauma without being emotional is pretty much impossible at his stage of healing. I don't think he's being unprofessional at all.
He's not "losing" it at all. He is stating the truth with passion. But then again, everyone has a different tolerance level of being able to hear objectively people's expressions of the truth with passion. Be well and be at peace.
Exactly. Why isn't he allowed to show any emotion? Of course he's frustrated & angry. He tried to get attention on this but was ignored & attacked. @@dz7a756
This guy knew his stuff and they fired him. SR hated the fact that this guy knew more than him and was going to cost the company money to ensure passenger safety, and he resented him for it.
I also think Rush took young and experienced young people into his disastrous company because they were easier to push around, they had no experience in the industry. They likely lacked the confidence to speak out, particularly to authorities with issues they saw.
@@lilacscentedfushias1852 That is a key point because those who have years of experience and insight on submersibles would've challenged Rush on his determination and potential negligence.
@@oneoflokisyeah Rush claimed he was the Elon Musk of the sea in an interview. I mean Musk’s spaceship stranded two astronauts in space, so not far off!
The craziest part of this trial so far is when David Lockridge is talking about his report, specifically the carbon fibre holes and he reports this and they say “don’t worry the glue will hold it together” the bloody glue 🤦🏻♂️ this wreck is 3.800 metres down!! Unbelievable
3,800 metres (three thousand eight hundred metres) have you clung to the decimal instead of acknowledging it’s just a typo and I meant it to be a ,,,,,. Anyway doesn’t matter. Stay safe and well.
Stockton: So David, is the Titan sub safe to go see Titanic? David: ""Stockton, ye cannae take that sub doon there, it’s a death trap! The pressure at those depths'll crush it like a tin can, and ye’ve nae proper tests or back-ups tae trust. Thing’s barely more than a child's toy-ye’re risking everyone’s lives!" Stockton: I can't understand a word you're saying, but I'll take that as a 'go ahead'
There was a lawsuit after he left between him and ocean gate as i understand as this report and his challenges were lead to him being fired or being forced out
@@fredmercury1314 . That’s likely. However when signing they obviously didn’t know how unsuitable, how unsafe this submersible was. I can see from the various videos of Stockton Rush talking and selling Titan how persuasive a salesman he was.
Doomed to fail, as many experts predicted. I so admire Mr. Lochridge for pushing management on safety so hard that he was fired for refusing to cooperate with criminal recklessness.
Thank you, you have restored my faith. That there are people who will speak up , and stand up for what is right , no matter the outcome. You are courageous. 🙏👏🏻 They call them whistleblowers. “ I call them hero’s. You my friend date a Hero.
I have worked for a narcissist before, in order to effect any change in their thinking you must make it seem like their idea. Their ego's are huge and if they sense any dissention they take it as disloyalty or even insult. The only way is the tedious process of boosting their ego's and slipping in suggestions while they ride the high of aggrandizement,
i have a family member like this. i've been trying to 'pep talk' them into therapy for years, making it seem like they thought of it. Narcs are self motivated.
This guy is the polar opposite of Stockton. He's an example of someone willing to do the absolute right thing, even when it's personally damaging to do so. He's a hero.
Every time I hear him say the term "cost cutting," I cringe. This industry and the cost cutting term simply aren’t a good combination, especially since you only get ONE chance of it going safely, or die. It was a literal situation of all or nothing. Rush apparently was willing to die for his arrogance, he had all the details and went anyway…but he took others without providing them with all the details, including his cost cutting. Had they known the full truth, maybe none of them would have went, especially the young man, the son.
Honestly if Stockton was a narcissist and insisted on this like people say and trust me I agree, that means Stockton didn't believe he was risking his life. He believed his own rhetoric and lies, I guarantee you he actually believed they would complete their mission and come back up and say "Hey! See I proved you wrong!"
Thanks to OSHA for absolutely bumbling this whiste blowers complaint it was completely mismanaged and part of this nightmare falls on their heads as well.
I think "whistleblower" is derogatory. He was a professional engineer, and because he wouldn't pass this disaster, he was sacked. He knew it was unsafe and did everything in his power to stop Rush from killing people.
The same could be said for government ministers. Spending your school days at Eton doesn’t qualify you to be an expert in health, transport or anything else really. Does anyone remember the Millennium dome fiasco? Politicians don’t make the best project managers. Who would have thought? 🤔
Which is why a Government Minister is supposed to listen to the advice of experts and then make a decision on what direction to go. You don't need to be an expert in something to listen to advice and make good decisions. That's literally what CEO's do, and there's plenty of really good CEO's out there. Also, many ministers do have relevent expertise, you've just probably not been an adult long enough to remember the last time we had a proper government. The Tories spent the last 14 years putting cronies in government instead of qualified MPs. Just look at some of the people Starmer appointed. Timpson for Prisons Minister, for instance, if you're going to try to claim he doesn't know about prisons, you're fighting an uphill battle.
@@bipolarminddroppings "You don't need to be an expert in something to listen to advice and make good decisions." 1. You need to have enough knowledge, experience, and expertise to know what the right decision is when you get opposing views. 2. If the politician can't make the decision, why not hire the expert instead? 3. This leaves politicians open to being used for nefarious purposes by shady "experts" with their own agenda. 4. The experts aren't accountable to the public. Timpson's first decision was to release thousands of scumbags onto the streets, who were jailed _for a reason,_ to make room for people who posted mean tweets. He's an expert on prisons? _Sounds like a scumbag to me._ There is no overcrowding problem. _Cram them in._ They're criminals, I don't care if they're uncomfortable...
What it's impressive is how obvious he was out of his depth just by his mannerisms and choice of words in explanation. He demonstrated by bragging about bending the rules that he was in fact not above average intelligence.
My takeaway from the ocean gate scandal is that we have learned nothing about corporate fraud since the theranos debacle. The out of control ceos seem to have similar personality traits. As usual the wealthy and well connected make their own rules and the expense of theranos patients and ocean gates passengers
Yes, like how to say "Welcome to McDonald's. How may I help you?". Would you really want anything to do with anything those people design? Really? They can design the next toilet paper roll, as they will know how to crush it.
Rush sounds like a spoilt brat who fired anyone who didnt agree with his stupid decisions. He literally thew the controller for the sub at someones head after being stuck for 45 minutes and fefusing to give it him. When the guy finally got the controller he got it out in 15 minutes. The fact that no one stopped this man from doing this is the real problem. But that blame will be shifted.
@@FischerFan I'd say more equivalent to driving without a licence in an unregistered vehicle which couldn't pass inspection. The alleged submersible was just as faulty as its constructor and operator, and would've been a death trap no matter who was piloting it.
@@tjenadonn6158 Had Rush not been aboard that doomed submersible, can you imagine the charges and lawsuits he'd be dealing with right now! Those signed waivers can only hold up for so long in a court of law.
A lot of his account of his objections at Oceangate are reminiscent of the objections of Morton Thiokol engineers to the cold weather launch of the Challenger. (Morton Thiokol was the manufacturer of the solid fuel boosters used on the Space Shuttle, and which failed, causing the destruction of Challenger.) In the end, in both cases the expedient route was taken and disaster resulted.
Except David Lochridge isn’t an engineer at all… He never studied engineering, never work as an engineer and has zero engineering experience. He was contracted by Ocean gate as “Marine driver” basically he was hired to drive the submarine.
@@mencken8 but you are comparing him to Morton Thiokol engineers which isn’t comparable as this david guy actually doesn’t know what he’s talking about at all. Those Morton Thiokol engineers knew what they are doing as they were the actual engineers who designed the whole thing. David Lochridge never designed anything. The viewing port that he was so concerned with… well, guess what? It didn’t failed.
@@tonamg53 Your ability to read and comprehend what you read is lacking. The poster said that Lochridge's objections at Oceangate are reminiscent of the objections of Morton Thiokol engineers. He's 100% correct. You tried to score points. You failed. And calling Mr. Lochridge a "submarine driver" is incredibly insulting and ignorant. As you can tell, I'm not as civil as the original poster. That's because I'm too old to suffer fools gladly.
he tried to do the right thing, but everyone was against him... because of rush?! money?! get the honor first! I would have quit my job at the name of people'd lives.
OceanGate Titan was built in Everett, WA next to my favorite brewery. They used to give tours to various groups as they were building it. They emptied out the facility in less than a month after the implosion.
Such a tragedy!! This guy is right on!!! He tried to stop this!! Too bad Rush couldn't be stopped!! We need international laws stopping something like this from happening again!
International laws are mostly nonsense, especially to a superpower like the US and it's partners who would immediately ignore it and deal with it themselves and as they should.
hate to break it but one of the things stopping the effort to stop Stockton Rush was US anti-monopoly laws. The Submersible Industry wanted to stop Rush but couldn't because of customer protection laws.
It’s actually quite common to use a game controller in deep sea submersible… even James Cameron used one as well. + they have couple of controllers as spare on board + The sub can be controlled via the onboard computer + the support ship can also send command to control the sub from the surface So the controller is absolutely not a point of concern.
@@fredmercury1314 Before the incident, he was going around trying to find sponsors, partners, and clients. Particularly paying passengers. We know this from some potential clients he was trying to convince but who chose not to go (Jay Bloom and son Sean). The father-and-son pair avoided that fatal trip. Rush had even flown to them personally and offered them a US$100K discount.
@@fredmercury1314 you have to crush several production hulls. He never tested a production hull. They only did pressure testing on scale models of the hull.
@@fredmercury1314 the cost of taking a support ship for each Titanic expedition was over a million dollars. Many of the dives were canceled hence costing millions in revenue
@@murmaider2 the scale models all failed spectuately. there is video of one of them imploding right in front of Stockton's face. The Titan aka Cyclops 2 pressure hull would never have passed certification because you test the hull under pressure hundreds to thousands of times to the max depth.
Rush's ego ended up squishing him and his passengers into soup for the fishes. Avoid these clowns in any situation. Run away while you can, and warn your friends.
It's interesting the difference between the working culture of where David got his experience, and the culture he met at Ocean Gate. The Offshore oil and gas industry is highly regulated. You cant even sneeze there without having a risk assessment and a tool box talk. Ocean gate were not prepared to pay for a ship that could crane the Titan onboard to reach destination. They were only prepared to pay for a cheaper ship than could only tow the Titan 600 miles into deep ocean ! This alone was sheer madness ! If you tried that shit in Aberdeen. Regardless if you had any paperwork from a classification society saying it is OK ( which you wouldn't have ) the harbour master would have stopped this madness !
Lochridge says that none of the people had any experience building submersibles and the appeal for him going to Oceangate was to turn things around and make it into something good. Well to quote a British proverb from 1500. "You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear."
Having a PS2 controller for steering it around was insanity. And Rush bragged about the simplicity of the controller.. he lived up to his namesake. He was in a Rush and killed those people.
it being wireless and there not being a separate independent backup control system was outright stated to be a deathtrap. if the wireless failed when moving the submersible could crash and kill everyone.
@@toomanyaccounts In one of his previous expeditions, Rush disregarded the standard operating procedure and landed too close to the ship they were investigating...causing the sub to get stuck. His co-worker who was on board at the time asked if he could get the controller but Rush said no. He only handed it over to him when one of the clients on board YELLED at him to pass the controller to the co-worker. That man wiggled the sub out of this dangerous situation in 15 minutes.
@@AngelofHogwarts get stuck in the rigging. a shipwreck rigging which has killed multiple divers. that was why the plan was to not get close so to avoid being stuck in the rigging
Why is there a community note talking about the Titanic in 1912 attached to this video? wtf its not like thats the topic of discussion, its the experience of pilots and employees in this company
Sounds like he wanted his workers mainly the engineers to eventually be the person to blame when something went wrong. Why hire someone but not let them actually do their job
It seems that Stockton was piloting this sub because he couldn't find anyone else familiar with this project to pilot for him. Sad and unlucky for the four other souls lost.
@@fredmercury1314if no one wants to work with you because you are known in the industry for being unsafe and you do it anyway? That’s arrogance on steroids.
One key quote from Stockton for why he fired this man “you were asked to do an inspection, not a ‘quality inspection’” Sounds like this gentleman, who was an expert in the industry, didn’t see there as a distinction between the two. They’re synonymous. Makes me think Stockton wanted to fire him on semantics. But it reveals Stockton’s view on quality. He didn’t want a “quality inspection”. He wanted a poorly done inspection. Something to check a box with a prestigious signature next to it to give the sub some level of Bona Fide.
@@paddymcdoogle4025 Nargolet just wanted to be 'in the game,' so to speak. At his age, not much chance of being a main player at any other outfit, and also, with the death of his wife in the days before his own death, it has been alleged that Nargolet may well have figured implosion roulette for a chance to see his beloved at the bottom of the sea was well worth it. Say you dice roll snake eyes... near instantaneous death...right there with his Titanic. I personally believe Nargolet factored all of this in, and also likely figured his decades of experience and sub craft could potentially save lives, etcetera.
I think Mr. Stockton Rush/ Oceangate was working under extreme financial limitations. He thought he would made enough money with the Titan and then use the profits to move forward but he did not reach that point.
Stockton Rush was a malignant narcissist. He probably could have talked to Cameron about it, but narcissist won't take anyone's advice or ideas. And apparently he knew nothing about suitable material composites or just using Ti to handle proper depth ratings. There was zero secondary safety systems, not to mention pressure warnings. Can't say that he will be missed.
This is heartbreaking for him to know the death wish Stockton had on his life and others. It sounds like it was a suicide mission and a false representation of facts given to the passengers. The safety concerns is far reaching to all industries cost cutting and bad engineering. I feel so bad for the families and the 18 year old who went to be with his dad and perished. Lesson: Do research dont believe the hype of what someone says until you have verifiable truth the product, etc is what it claims. Listen to whistleblowers. Boeing seems to have a similar problem with cost cutting and bad engineering.
What's amazing is how Ocean Gate got as far as they did given the many problems that so many key people were keenly aware of. That one person could evade and dismiss the many concerns, over a period of time, continue to operate and repeatedly put lives in mortal danger as he did, is simply hard to believe.
Can you imagine the mad spin game Rush would be engaging in right now if he hadnt been on Titan when it failed? The man had pathological megalomania. I can only imagine what a madman he would've turned into if the massive "i told you so" card had gotten played on him in this accident and exposed his company as a massive pretender. Part of me almost wishes he'd not been aboard for this tragedy so he could experience the full weight and embarrassment of his failures
That poor man tried his heart out to save that utter pillock Stockton Rush and several others from himself, and only got legal harassment and financial hardship for his trouble. Glad to see him speaking out here.
There's a saying: If you're dumb, surround yourself with smart people. If you're smart, surround yourself with smart people who disagree with you. David Lochridge clearly understood this quote. Stockton Rush clearly didn't.
Bragging about using paper to make a space shuttle is pure idiocy. Stockton rush. He actually received an engineering degree? His idiocy is so bad it’s criminal Rush was comparing submersibles with commercialization of air travel. His drew incorrect parallels t9 being a maverick as if tours to Titanic is no different than making films. He was so misguided that it makes me wonder how anyone can possible call him “intelligent”
I live in the most inventor-dense country in the world. Here, no one would understand the phrase "restrictions inhibit innovations." It's the opposite. The restrictions are a baseline, the minimum requirement to meet and it is inspiring. In my country it is the innovators who agree on the restrictions and since it is a matter of honor - rather than money - the restrictions are tough. This has made the inventions more numerous and world-leading. Cheating and fraud due to hunger for profit is dishonorable.
I mean that's like saying why (if it was even affordable at all at this point) would you go on vacation? You can see videos of Hawaii right there on your tv. It's not the same, now I'm not trying to justify OceanGate but saying you can just watch it on your screen is just weird
@@Cryptosporidium140 inherent risk, cramped space, small visors, limited time, absurd cost. on the surface in comfort you can have panoramic views, comfy chair, food and drink and friends if you desire so, or wear a VR set and good headphones, whatever. its smart. going down unless its one's job - very stupid.
@@pitdog75 Millions upon millions of people a year visit historic sites because they're actually there. You can argue this was a very corrupt and stupid way trying to accomplish that. Remember how air travel used to be thought of back at the end of WW2? Digital no matter how real it looks is never the real thing, all I'm saying.
Lochridge questioned the safety in a meeting with Rush. Rush then sacked him. No amount of UA-cam 'influencers' or teenage mission 'specialists' would save Titan...
Happens all the time, in most organizations sadly - people pointing out important (in this case dangerous) problems get fired. Or, in the case of the Boeing guy, murdered. What a world.
Titan had a "real time monitoring system" that suggests that they knew the hull would eventually and predictalbly fail at some point. The RTMS data was apparently there to warn off a future dive due data collected on fatigue in the hull.
Rush’s arrogance when talking about safety was a clear indication of where this would end
No kidding. I still remember this quote from Rush: "At some point, safety is just pure waste."
Its crazy because he was willing to stake his life on it. Now that is another level of arrogance.
It was so funny hearing him refer to the safety records of CERTIFIED Submersibles as proof that his UNCERTIFIED Sub was just as safe. Talk about misusing data.
@@YouCanCallMeReTro If he had only risked his own life, that would be extremely foolish. He risked everyone else's lives on his uninformed and unfounded self-confidence, and that's callous to the point of sociopathy. It's good for him that he isn't around to hear what people think of him. My opinion would take the vocabulary of an army sergeant to express properly.
@@lynnlytton8244 Very true.
From the sounds of it Stockton Rush was a classic narcassist. He had superficial charm, took reckless risks and couldnt accept criticism from others.
He thumbed his nose at every legitimate warning. It's no different than the idiot in South Carolina who got bit by the Inland Taipan he was free handling!
He was married to a Titanic descendant and that ego and thinking he was the better engineer…narcissism at its finest!
I haven't looked into this in awhile but from what I remember wasn't Stockton wanting to be the Elon Musk of the ocean? Feel like that may have fed into his wanting to get it done faster than normal and just ending up killing himself and others.
This sounds exactly like a control freak situation where the guy fires all the negative voices until only yes men are around
@@Cryptosporidium140 you are correct. his own words. It was in an interview for a documentary. Said he originally wanted to go to space, but then wanted to be known as the Elon Musk of the Ocean/Sea. You can find it, I’m sure.
This man is a hero…..no one listened, inc OSHA….they need to APOLOGIZE TO HIM….period. He was right, all the way….he tried his best.
@@insilence6156 💯👍
He was fired by Rush, how could he be CEO?
@micky1up he was the former Director of Marine Ops. Please read to learn.
You could tell that Stockton only hired him so if anything went wrong he could blame it all on him claim that he had someone who was responsible.
He withdrew his suit out of fear. Not a coward but no hero. And he knows it
Whoever raised this main did a wonderful job because he is empathetic, intelligent, and has a strong moral compass. He is there fighting for the victims of Stockton Rush and finally gets to say his peace. You can tell how angry he is yet he still maintains professionalism. Bravo to this BOSS man!
Agree.
Not to be the comments police but he is saying his piece, not peace.
I love his intelligence and that accent is just so dreamy!
@Flea-Flicker more like bean flicker 🙄
@@Flea-Flickerhaha isn’t this an Edinburgh accent he has-kinda posh? It’s very easy to understand compared to like a thick Glaswegian accent. He could present for the BBC or something
@@Flea-Flicker Do you people want to stop the Fetishization towards us scots. Its genuinely cringe and disgusting. We dont need it or your type. Its bad enough you lot come here expecting it to be a paradise once you've found out, your 1% scottish, never mind our accent(s).
The man is intelligent, yes, name a scot that isn't intelligent in one way or another but leave the rest at the door. Its becoming annoying trait to read in the comment section of videos to with mr lockridge. I don't see it on the other videos of the people who've spoken out.
I feel bad for this guy. He clearly tried to do the right thing and do his job, and was punished for it by the company that employed him. He's venting his frustration more than anything here and losing his cool in front of an official investigation hearing, but they are allowing him to express that frustration because he's totally justified in it. I imagine upon hearing the OceanGate news last year he felt a combination of vindication in being proven right, and regret that innocent people lost their lives despite his best efforts.
Well said.
I don't really get why we shame people for being human; emotions are 100% part of thinking. Recalling this trauma without being emotional is pretty much impossible at his stage of healing. I don't think he's being unprofessional at all.
He's not "losing" it at all. He is stating the truth with passion. But then again, everyone has a different tolerance level of being able to hear objectively people's expressions of the truth with passion.
Be well and be at peace.
This is all confirming what I thought a year ago, that Tony Nissen was the main person responsible for such a shoddy craft.
Exactly. Why isn't he allowed to show any emotion? Of course he's frustrated & angry. He tried to get attention on this but was ignored & attacked. @@dz7a756
This guy needs to testify in every hearing, regardless of the subject.
😂😂 nice…
This guy knew his stuff and they fired him. SR hated the fact that this guy knew more than him and was going to cost the company money to ensure passenger safety, and he resented him for it.
@@EmilyWatros 💯
I would think jealousy to.
People with money should never be able to overrule the ones with an engineering degree
@@stellviahohenheim 💯
Rush’s ego played a huge factor in this crime
I also think Rush took young and experienced young people into his disastrous company because they were easier to push around, they had no experience in the industry. They likely lacked the confidence to speak out, particularly to authorities with issues they saw.
@@lilacscentedfushias1852 That is a key point because those who have years of experience and insight on submersibles would've challenged Rush on his determination and potential negligence.
@@lilacscentedfushias1852 Musk may turn out the same! 😏
@@lilacscentedfushias1852 Young people just want jobs!
@@oneoflokisyeah Rush claimed he was the Elon Musk of the sea in an interview. I mean Musk’s spaceship stranded two astronauts in space, so not far off!
The craziest part of this trial so far is when David Lockridge is talking about his report, specifically the carbon fibre holes and he reports this and they say “don’t worry the glue will hold it together” the bloody glue 🤦🏻♂️ this wreck is 3.800 metres down!! Unbelievable
Outside of the carbon fiber, the hull was MADE of glue!
3.8 meters? That’s quite shallow to be honest
3,800 metres (three thousand eight hundred metres) have you clung to the decimal instead of acknowledging it’s just a typo and I meant it to be a ,,,,,. Anyway doesn’t matter. Stay safe and well.
3.8 is actually right. That's as far down before trouble starts.
@@michaelstokes9700In many countries it is not even a mistake.
Stockton: So David, is the Titan sub safe to go see Titanic?
David: ""Stockton, ye cannae take that sub doon there, it’s a death trap! The pressure at those depths'll crush it like a tin can, and ye’ve nae proper tests or back-ups tae trust. Thing’s barely more than a child's toy-ye’re risking everyone’s lives!"
Stockton: I can't understand a word you're saying, but I'll take that as a 'go ahead'
The best comment here!
This is a serious matter that ended in tragedy. You still managed to make me laugh
mm k.
@@Sparky5 Looks like the fun police have arrived.
🤣💙
Seems like Lockridge kept all documents to cover his arse. Smart man.
Yep. Always keep records.
There was a lawsuit after he left between him and ocean gate as i understand as this report and his challenges were lead to him being fired or being forced out
@@LadyHeathersLair Wouldn't you?
Well he got fired then got sued then was proven correct. Makes sense he'd have a lot of documentation.
He seems very professional and thorough. I think he didn't keep documents to "cover his arse."
It was criminal to allow passengers!
It wasn't, because they all signed a waiver acknowledging that might die.
They were grown adults who made their own decisions.
@@fredmercury1314That waiver won't hold up.
@@fredmercury1314 . That’s likely. However when signing they obviously didn’t know how unsuitable, how unsafe this submersible was. I can see from the various videos of Stockton Rush talking and selling Titan how persuasive a salesman he was.
@fredmercury1314 We'll see how that one stands up in court! 😏 Insurers are going to have to pay out massively..
Correct... thank goodness they were all considered Crew members .. all good here 😊 carry on
This is one of those rare occasions where the man responsible for the deaths of multiple people himself died as a result of his negligence and greed
True!
And massive ego.
Doomed to fail, as many experts predicted.
I so admire Mr. Lochridge for pushing management on safety so hard that he was fired for refusing to cooperate with criminal recklessness.
@@a.w.thompson4001 💯
Thank you, you have restored my faith. That there are people who will speak up , and stand up for what is right , no matter the outcome.
You are courageous. 🙏👏🏻
They call them whistleblowers. “ I call them hero’s. You my friend date a Hero.
Paying $250,000 each, to sit cramped up in a tube, with a small tv on the wall and ps2 controllers ?? Nah...no thanks ! 👍🏻.
Idiots, every single one.
With a bucket for a toilet 🤢
Welcome to Disneyland gate
Thousands of men will gladly pay that for their wives to go.
Well, you're wrong about it being a PS2 controller. The controls they were using wasn't the issue.
I have worked for a narcissist before, in order to effect any change in their thinking you must make it seem like their idea. Their ego's are huge and if they sense any dissention they take it as disloyalty or even insult. The only way is the tedious process of boosting their ego's and slipping in suggestions while they ride the high of aggrandizement,
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Like raising kids.
Literally sounds like Saturday morning cartoon main villains and their goons haha
Wow! How and when did you get to know my ex boss? 😂
i have a family member like this. i've been trying to 'pep talk' them into therapy for years, making it seem like they thought of it. Narcs are self motivated.
This guy is the polar opposite of Stockton. He's an example of someone willing to do the absolute right thing, even when it's personally damaging to do so. He's a hero.
This goes to show that people get punished for doing the right thing.
But look who is dead in the end. The righteous lived, and the foolish one didn't even get a burial due to his own ego.
Rush was even gloating that he broke the rules. Got what he deserved. Such arrogance, and his narcissistic attitude took the others to their deaths
Every time I hear him say the term "cost cutting," I cringe. This industry and the cost cutting term simply aren’t a good combination, especially since you only get ONE chance of it going safely, or die. It was a literal situation of all or nothing. Rush apparently was willing to die for his arrogance, he had all the details and went anyway…but he took others without providing them with all the details, including his cost cutting. Had they known the full truth, maybe none of them would have went, especially the young man, the son.
Engineers perform cost-cutting all the time. It's a good chunk of their job to create solutions that cost less. That's how things are made affordable.
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@@fredmercury1314 But not at the expense of basic safety...
Also, what's the point of keeping a scapegoat on payroll at such a high price. At least make an effort to heed a professional risk assessment.
Honestly if Stockton was a narcissist and insisted on this like people say and trust me I agree, that means Stockton didn't believe he was risking his life. He believed his own rhetoric and lies, I guarantee you he actually believed they would complete their mission and come back up and say "Hey! See I proved you wrong!"
Thanks to OSHA for absolutely bumbling this whiste blowers complaint it was completely mismanaged and part of this nightmare falls on their heads as well.
I think "whistleblower" is derogatory. He was a professional engineer, and because he wouldn't pass this disaster, he was sacked. He knew it was unsafe and did everything in his power to stop Rush from killing people.
A lot of Ocean Gate employees were praising Rush. Where are those people now? A lot of crickets.
The same could be said for government ministers. Spending your school days at Eton doesn’t qualify you to be an expert in health, transport or anything else really. Does anyone remember the Millennium dome fiasco? Politicians don’t make the best project managers. Who would have thought? 🤔
They're experts in thuggery, buggery fraud and lies.
Good point! 😁
Which is why a Government Minister is supposed to listen to the advice of experts and then make a decision on what direction to go. You don't need to be an expert in something to listen to advice and make good decisions. That's literally what CEO's do, and there's plenty of really good CEO's out there.
Also, many ministers do have relevent expertise, you've just probably not been an adult long enough to remember the last time we had a proper government. The Tories spent the last 14 years putting cronies in government instead of qualified MPs.
Just look at some of the people Starmer appointed. Timpson for Prisons Minister, for instance, if you're going to try to claim he doesn't know about prisons, you're fighting an uphill battle.
@@bipolarminddroppings "You don't need to be an expert in something to listen to advice and make good decisions."
1. You need to have enough knowledge, experience, and expertise to know what the right decision is when you get opposing views.
2. If the politician can't make the decision, why not hire the expert instead?
3. This leaves politicians open to being used for nefarious purposes by shady "experts" with their own agenda.
4. The experts aren't accountable to the public.
Timpson's first decision was to release thousands of scumbags onto the streets, who were jailed _for a reason,_ to make room for people who posted mean tweets.
He's an expert on prisons? _Sounds like a scumbag to me._
There is no overcrowding problem. _Cram them in._ They're criminals, I don't care if they're uncomfortable...
It was supposed to be a failire so it could be "saved" by privatisation to lowest bidder.
What it's impressive is how obvious he was out of his depth just by his mannerisms and choice of words in explanation. He demonstrated by bragging about bending the rules that he was in fact not above average intelligence.
being literally 'out of his depth' killed him.
My takeaway from the ocean gate scandal is that we have learned nothing about corporate fraud since the theranos debacle. The out of control ceos seem to have similar personality traits. As usual the wealthy and well connected make their own rules and the expense of theranos patients and ocean gates passengers
I hope all the young engineers he hired learned something from all of this.
Yes, like how to say "Welcome to McDonald's. How may I help you?". Would you really want anything to do with anything those people design? Really? They can design the next toilet paper roll, as they will know how to crush it.
Rush sounds like a spoilt brat who fired anyone who didnt agree with his stupid decisions. He literally thew the controller for the sub at someones head after being stuck for 45 minutes and fefusing to give it him. When the guy finally got the controller he got it out in 15 minutes. The fact that no one stopped this man from doing this is the real problem. But that blame will be shifted.
"Abomination of a sub" 😂😂 LOVE THIS GUY!!!!
I wonder if those Engineers he was talking about will put OceanGate in their Résumé.
It might hurt their reputations less if they say they were building narcosubs for the cartels instead.
@@tjenadonn6158well, they actually might end up there anyway.
David Lochridge fought for the safety of passengers until he was sacked for telling the truth. This man should be knighted by King Charles.
Lochridge did his best...was overruled and fired for safety checks...a man of integrity. Prayers for him and the families of the lost.
Wow! He really crushed him.
This is where you say “I see what you did there.”
I love his Scottish accent! ❤️
"This sub, this ABOMINATION of a sub..." Case closed.
I could listen to this man's accent all day! lol
Yeah it's amazing 👏
His intelligence makes it even better.
@tommy2timez Absolutely!
Ocean Gate should be charged with 5 counts of vehicular homicide.
I say four counts. Stockton Rush was a submersible's equivalent to a drunk driver.
U blocked 😅
@@FischerFan I'd say more equivalent to driving without a licence in an unregistered vehicle which couldn't pass inspection. The alleged submersible was just as faulty as its constructor and operator, and would've been a death trap no matter who was piloting it.
I agree
@@tjenadonn6158 Had Rush not been aboard that doomed submersible, can you imagine the charges and lawsuits he'd be dealing with right now! Those signed waivers can only hold up for so long in a court of law.
A lot of his account of his objections at Oceangate are reminiscent of the objections of Morton Thiokol engineers to the cold weather launch of the Challenger. (Morton Thiokol was the manufacturer of the solid fuel boosters used on the Space Shuttle, and which failed, causing the destruction of Challenger.) In the end, in both cases the expedient route was taken and disaster resulted.
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Except David Lochridge isn’t an engineer at all…
He never studied engineering, never work as an engineer and has zero engineering experience.
He was contracted by Ocean gate as “Marine driver”
basically he was hired to drive the submarine.
@@tonamg53 Never said he was an engineer; I only said that the two things described seemed similar. Nevertheless, thanks for the clarification.
@@mencken8 but you are comparing him to Morton Thiokol engineers which isn’t comparable as this david guy actually doesn’t know what he’s talking about at all.
Those Morton Thiokol engineers knew what they are doing as they were the actual engineers who designed the whole thing.
David Lochridge never designed anything.
The viewing port that he was so concerned with… well, guess what? It didn’t failed.
@@tonamg53 Your ability to read and comprehend what you read is lacking. The poster said that Lochridge's objections at Oceangate are reminiscent of the objections of Morton Thiokol engineers. He's 100% correct.
You tried to score points. You failed. And calling Mr. Lochridge a "submarine driver" is incredibly insulting and ignorant.
As you can tell, I'm not as civil as the original poster. That's because I'm too old to suffer fools gladly.
he tried to do the right thing, but everyone was against him... because of rush?! money?! get the honor first! I would have quit my job at the name of people'd lives.
title should have been "whistleblower CRUSHES Stockton Rush"
No, Titan did that…
@@essiebod8107 No, the ocean did that...
Don't Stockton Rush or else you wind up as Stockton Mush.
OceanGate Titan was built in Everett, WA next to my favorite brewery. They used to give tours to various groups as they were building it. They emptied out the facility in less than a month after the implosion.
Always put it in writing.
He brought the receipts!
Such a tragedy!! This guy is right on!!! He tried to stop this!! Too bad Rush couldn't be stopped!! We need international laws stopping something like this from happening again!
International laws are mostly nonsense, especially to a superpower like the US and it's partners who would immediately ignore it and deal with it themselves and as they should.
hate to break it but one of the things stopping the effort to stop Stockton Rush was US anti-monopoly laws. The Submersible Industry wanted to stop Rush but couldn't because of customer protection laws.
I cannot understand why anyone would have gotten into a submersible when it was being driven with a basic 🎮 controller.
Crazy, wasn't it?
...because?
Idiots thats why
these controllers are used by the US navy in their submarines for the same purpose
It’s actually quite common to use a game controller in deep sea submersible… even James Cameron used one as well.
+ they have couple of controllers as spare on board
+ The sub can be controlled via the onboard computer
+ the support ship can also send command to control the sub from the surface
So the controller is absolutely not a point of concern.
David Lochridge (and others who were dismissed from the company) is the most competent member of staff there. Isn't it absurd he wasn't listened too.
Still took the money though.
This man is 100% right
I think Stockton was running out of money
Why?
@@fredmercury1314 Before the incident, he was going around trying to find sponsors, partners, and clients. Particularly paying passengers. We know this from some potential clients he was trying to convince but who chose not to go (Jay Bloom and son Sean). The father-and-son pair avoided that fatal trip. Rush had even flown to them personally and offered them a US$100K discount.
@@fredmercury1314 you have to crush several production hulls. He never tested a production hull. They only did pressure testing on scale models of the hull.
@@fredmercury1314 the cost of taking a support ship for each Titanic expedition was over a million dollars. Many of the dives were canceled hence costing millions in revenue
@@murmaider2 the scale models all failed spectuately. there is video of one of them imploding right in front of Stockton's face.
The Titan aka Cyclops 2 pressure hull would never have passed certification because you test the hull under pressure hundreds to thousands of times to the max depth.
Rush's ego ended up squishing him and his passengers into soup for the fishes. Avoid these clowns in any situation. Run away while you can, and warn your friends.
It's interesting the difference between the working culture of where David got his experience, and the culture he met at Ocean Gate.
The Offshore oil and gas industry is highly regulated. You cant even sneeze there without having a risk assessment and a tool box talk.
Ocean gate were not prepared to pay for a ship that could crane the Titan onboard to reach destination. They were only prepared to pay for a cheaper ship than could only tow the Titan 600 miles into deep ocean !
This alone was sheer madness !
If you tried that shit in Aberdeen. Regardless if you had any paperwork from a classification society saying it is OK ( which you wouldn't have ) the harbour master would have stopped this madness !
Lochridge says that none of the people had any experience building submersibles and the appeal for him going to Oceangate was to turn things around and make it into something good. Well to quote a British proverb from 1500. "You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear."
I keep thinking of the young man that did not want to go on that submarine but his dad bullied him into it. Hopefully had time for regrets.
Stockton Russian Roulette.
Sounds like a lot of US companies, profit before safety!
in recent memory alone, East Palestine Ohio comes to mind
@@dysplasiagiraffe4845 no that was the Biden gov't at fault. Why do you think they didn't go out there?
They also allegedly partnered with Boeing lmao
Having a PS2 controller for steering it around was insanity. And Rush bragged about the simplicity of the controller.. he lived up to his namesake. He was in a Rush and killed those people.
it being wireless and there not being a separate independent backup control system was outright stated to be a deathtrap. if the wireless failed when moving the submersible could crash and kill everyone.
@@toomanyaccounts In one of his previous expeditions, Rush disregarded the standard operating procedure and landed too close to the ship they were investigating...causing the sub to get stuck. His co-worker who was on board at the time asked if he could get the controller but Rush said no. He only handed it over to him when one of the clients on board YELLED at him to pass the controller to the co-worker. That man wiggled the sub out of this dangerous situation in 15 minutes.
@@AngelofHogwarts get stuck in the rigging. a shipwreck rigging which has killed multiple divers. that was why the plan was to not get close so to avoid being stuck in the rigging
@tomr6955 that's even more frightening.
The way this pilot describes that shituation on the sea bottom was terrifying. There's nothing worse than a confident idiot.
I could listen to this guy all day. I love Scottish accent.
Here's a guy who wouldn't be pressured into making compromises and sub optimal practices. The Titan definitely gave him an ick.
I wish all of this was brought up before that idiot took 4 lives with him. David tried, but like many other cases, his words fell on deaf ears.
"she's gonna blow. the hull can't' take it much longer"
Why is there a community note talking about the Titanic in 1912 attached to this video? wtf its not like thats the topic of discussion, its the experience of pilots and employees in this company
It’s called an algorithm.
A bit of a Darwin award really.
Too old for that. Shame for the kid though
Did he say "sub"...."err abomination of sub"?!🤣
Sounds like he wanted his workers mainly the engineers to eventually be the person to blame when something went wrong. Why hire someone but not let them actually do their job
For every mad dreamer who took others money and lives theres the one voice that called it out and was right
It seems that Stockton was piloting this sub because he couldn't find anyone else familiar with this project to pilot for him. Sad and unlucky for the four other souls lost.
No, it was arrogance as stated by Lochridge.
@@insilence6156 What was arrogant about it?
No one would work with him. Including experienced pilot or engineers
@@fredmercury1314if no one wants to work with you because you are known in the industry for being unsafe and you do it anyway? That’s arrogance on steroids.
@@fredmercury1314Google the definition of arrogant lol
One key quote from Stockton for why he fired this man “you were asked to do an inspection, not a ‘quality inspection’”
Sounds like this gentleman, who was an expert in the industry, didn’t see there as a distinction between the two. They’re synonymous. Makes me think Stockton wanted to fire him on semantics. But it reveals Stockton’s view on quality. He didn’t want a “quality inspection”. He wanted a poorly done inspection. Something to check a box with a prestigious signature next to it to give the sub some level of Bona Fide.
Guess, if this guy signed that "low quality" inspection, he would end up in a trial, but not as a witness.
It could only end that way.
Stockton wanted to die by the Titanic.
I think he was too arrogant / stupid to ever consider it could happen.
@@irieite9666 he knew the consequences. Nargiolet, the most seasoned vet, knew.
@@paddymcdoogle4025 Nargolet just wanted to be 'in the game,' so to speak. At his age, not much chance of being a main player at any other outfit, and also, with the death of his wife in the days before his own death, it has been alleged that Nargolet may well have figured implosion roulette for a chance to see his beloved at the bottom of the sea was well worth it. Say you dice roll snake eyes... near instantaneous death...right there with his Titanic. I personally believe Nargolet factored all of this in, and also likely figured his decades of experience and sub craft could potentially save lives, etcetera.
@@VanishedPNW All planned.
@@paddymcdoogle4025your an idiot
I think Mr. Stockton Rush/ Oceangate was working under extreme financial limitations. He thought he would made enough money with the Titan and then use the profits to move forward but he did not reach that point.
What a awful position to be in
So once again, short cuts lead to permanent wounds.
Good saying! 👍
Good thing Rush wasn't running an aircraft company or the world would be splattered with dead bodies.
Maybe Boeing got its name because that's the sounds the wheels make when they fall off.
Rush and his people fucked up, and this guys has to answer for their failures
Stockton Rush was a malignant narcissist. He probably could have talked to Cameron about it, but narcissist won't take anyone's advice or ideas.
And apparently he knew nothing about suitable material composites or just using Ti to handle proper depth ratings.
There was zero secondary safety systems, not to mention pressure warnings.
Can't say that he will be missed.
This is heartbreaking for him to know the death wish Stockton had on his life and others. It sounds like it was a suicide mission and a false representation of facts given to the passengers. The safety concerns is far reaching to all industries cost cutting and bad engineering. I feel so bad for the families and the 18 year old who went to be with his dad and perished. Lesson: Do research dont believe the hype of what someone says until you have verifiable truth the product, etc is what it claims. Listen to whistleblowers. Boeing seems to have a similar problem with cost cutting and bad engineering.
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The CEO said he didn't want a bunch of white guys building and piloting his submersibles. In this case DEI cost lives.
Its eerie reading his report as it was the front seal that failed .
Be leery of people with a name like Stockton Rush. Sounds like a used car salesman or sleazy politician.
He was more than slammed, he was imploded. 🤭
What's amazing is how Ocean Gate got as far as they did given the many problems that so many key people were keenly aware of. That one person could evade and dismiss the many concerns, over a period of time, continue to operate and repeatedly put lives in mortal danger as he did, is simply hard to believe.
Can you imagine the mad spin game Rush would be engaging in right now if he hadnt been on Titan when it failed? The man had pathological megalomania. I can only imagine what a madman he would've turned into if the massive "i told you so" card had gotten played on him in this accident and exposed his company as a massive pretender. Part of me almost wishes he'd not been aboard for this tragedy so he could experience the full weight and embarrassment of his failures
Rush deserves to be scolded, even if he's not here to receive it. His reckless ways should be discouraged so nobody else will repeat it.
That poor man tried his heart out to save that utter pillock Stockton Rush and several others from himself, and only got legal harassment and financial hardship for his trouble. Glad to see him speaking out here.
There's a saying: If you're dumb, surround yourself with smart people. If you're smart, surround yourself with smart people who disagree with you.
David Lochridge clearly understood this quote. Stockton Rush clearly didn't.
This is so definitely gonna be a movie. And Rush isn't going to look good.
Bragging about using paper to make a space shuttle is pure idiocy. Stockton rush. He actually received an engineering degree? His idiocy is so bad it’s criminal
Rush was comparing submersibles with commercialization of air travel. His drew incorrect parallels t9 being a maverick as if tours to Titanic is no different than making films. He was so misguided that it makes me wonder how anyone can possible call him “intelligent”
Where can you get the full testimony (including the voice recording he’s referencing?)
He should be put in jail…. Oh wait there is nothing left of him
Titan ceo slammed? Into the bottom......
Im crushed!
Looks like he got slammed into the back of it.
I live in the most inventor-dense country in the world. Here, no one would understand the phrase "restrictions inhibit innovations." It's the opposite. The restrictions are a baseline, the minimum requirement to meet and it is inspiring. In my country it is the innovators who agree on the restrictions and since it is a matter of honor - rather than money - the restrictions are tough. This has made the inventions more numerous and world-leading. Cheating and fraud due to hunger for profit is dishonorable.
😅I do not understand why when a witness says “abomination of a sub” there is never any follow up!
"Safety is just pure waste." -Stockton Rush
Whats the point, today, to go down instead of just piloting a nice drone and watch it all on huge 4k screens?
I mean that's like saying why (if it was even affordable at all at this point) would you go on vacation? You can see videos of Hawaii right there on your tv. It's not the same, now I'm not trying to justify OceanGate but saying you can just watch it on your screen is just weird
@@Cryptosporidium140 no it's very, very different lol
@@Cryptosporidium140 inherent risk, cramped space, small visors, limited time, absurd cost. on the surface in comfort you can have panoramic views, comfy chair, food and drink and friends if you desire so, or wear a VR set and good headphones, whatever. its smart. going down unless its one's job - very stupid.
@@pitdog75 Millions upon millions of people a year visit historic sites because they're actually there. You can argue this was a very corrupt and stupid way trying to accomplish that. Remember how air travel used to be thought of back at the end of WW2? Digital no matter how real it looks is never the real thing, all I'm saying.
@@Cryptosporidium140 historic sited - on the surface ;)
Lochridge questioned the safety in a meeting with Rush. Rush then sacked him. No amount of UA-cam 'influencers' or teenage mission 'specialists' would save Titan...
Seems to me this man did the best he could to raise issues and should not be held in any way liable for the tragedy. He was not listened to.
Happens all the time, in most organizations sadly - people pointing out important (in this case dangerous) problems get fired. Or, in the case of the Boeing guy, murdered. What a world.
Titan had a "real time monitoring system" that suggests that they knew the hull would eventually and predictalbly fail at some point. The RTMS data was apparently there to warn off a future dive due data collected on fatigue in the hull.
The guy asking questions sounds just like Dana White lmao