There’s a reason so many edge rushers go 1st overall. And only 1 receiver has ever gone first overall. There’s a reason why aside from qb, edge rushers have been picked the second most out of any position in the top 5 of all drafts. Edge rusher is hands down the more important position
@@AlexRosner-v8tfunny how you threw in TEs and still wrong. Plenty have had a top 10 receiver or TE. You’re just looking at the recent SB winners also having to throw in TE to count Travis Kelcie lmao
A running back used to be most important. You can move the ball, control the clock, and keep your defense fresh. Receivers are more important now because of the rules and penalties. D lineman are constrained by the rules.
Those Patriots teams they're talking about didn't have that one dynamic edge rusher. They had a collection of really good football players on defense and the GOAT
The receiver will almost always have a defender focusing on slowing him down and isn't involved on a lot of plays. The edge rusher, comes full steam play after play. This means the ER is always in every play. They are more important overall, and focused on stopping or fooling on every play.
@@AlexRosner-v8tyea cause every single has the ball thrown to him every play or demands double teams every play when there’s like 10 to 20 guys who get doubled. Teams are only doubling 5 pass rushers in the league right now. Top receiver is more common than top edge rusher. You can easily make a top 5 edge rushers. You’d have a hard time making just a top 10 or even 15 receivers list when most teams have a #1. And some two #1s.
@@AlexRosner-v8tthe greatest edge rusher effects the game more than the greatest wide receiver. They can make in impact on every play. They’re closer to the hall They can shut plays down before they even get started
They do completely different things so you can’t really compare them. But they’re both equally important. Without WRs it’s easier to stop a teams offense because you need a run game and a passing game to be completely effective. Without edge rushers, the linebackers won’t have the extra support that they need to stop the offense.
I think it’s about even in terms of what’s more important to the QB .. like a cause and effect type of thing .. but as far as team building I’m taking a rusher there more rare to find
I see the new meta, Star QB with a Star TE, star WRs struggled to win championships, because when a WR is one of your leaders & best players on the Offense, you can't really grow. If anyone actually studies sports, how teams draft, how teams build a contender etc, you would understand. When the Star TE is a leader, the team can grow, when the star WR is a leader, you can't. Detroit Lions with Megatron, Minnesota Vikings with Randy Moss, San Fransisco with Terrell Owens are examples.
Saban always worried about the X receiver in the NFL while he was with the Fins. The outside speed in the NFL caused him nightmares.. So what did he do at Bama? He recruited a young man from the state named Julio Jones. The rest is history, forever written in the annuals.
Mad dog made a good point but u also need a receiver who can win whether it’s man or zone. If u got a receiver who literally can’t get separation ur offense isn’t going anywhere.
It’s an interesting debate. One great WR needs help otherwise he gets double teamed. One great edge rusher…..same thing. If I owned a team I’d pay my QB and my O-line first. If they were good
For all you ppl that keep saying or said Ocho is finally on first take clearly don’t follow him like you think you do. Bro been got on first take months ago
Also, Mad Dogs argument about the Patriots and niners could have easily been solidified if he said last year's Chiefs. You get a good enough QB you can win without a star receiver. If the other QB is good enough, your only hope is to get edge rushers to get in the backfield and put him on his @ss
Lewis has a point tho that the patriots are pretty much a separate category on their own due not needing top guys in both of those positions but certainly their guys were like top 15-20
I think Louis is underselling pretty significantly just how good Seymour was. And also how good Chandler Jones was for them in the latter period of the dynasty.
Obviously not edge. Usually the best WR get recognized by there stats & production. Unlike where in edge rusher the best stats don’t mean anything otherwise TJ watts league best stats would have won DPOY
In all honesty you don’t win Super Bowl by being able to throw the football. Wr aren’t running the ball either. It’s in terms of winning championships you need a great Dline
Alright, this was completely scripted. Idk what's been going on with Lou this summer but he has been playing the everyman in every convo. Stop the cap, there has not been one quality team building discussion that started with receiver before edge rusher. No one is taking Justin Jefferson over Myles Garrett because the next JJ is probably coming up next year and you aren't going to see the next Garrett for 10 years.
Real fans want their team to win....we aren't watching to see long passes...the pats had Randy moss and the Giants had a pass rush ... who won? Pass rush is more important
Mad Dog made ZERO sense lol Patriots had a good DEFENSE. Not great pass rushers lmao dude really doesnt know about football at all. They had Tom freaking Brady
Because he invented this game. His radio show w/Francessa arguably created sports debate culture even more than PTI. Mike and the Mad Dog was 5 daily hours of First Take 😂
@@SportsBuilding two things can be true. He’s an OG in the game but his takes/perspective are irrelevant and outdated. Sounds like a relic of the past. Case in point: His Bob Cousy takes
The most high is my my provider that’s his responsibility not men so with that being said it ain’t on yall to provide for me how I see it my bank is the bank of the most high I do not wish ill on no one I do not want to learn the way of a oppress the the most high will provide dose people may be good people and I may be taking it the wrong way because I believe everone hates me I’m sorry people I be tripping sometimes
Yooo we got Ocho on first take
Yes he’s not very good for TV tho he talks very little that’s not so good for a Debate show
@@Salhd10Relax everybody has to start somewhere
@@Salhd10SHUT UP
2nd time this week
He’s been on before. Was in during Super Bowl week with Shannon Stephen A and Molly in person. Casual.
Make this man a full timer ESPN
He literally said both. He aint getting no full time position with dumb/boring answers like that.
@@poiper8966 you'll be alright
Ocho done broke through to first take he spoke it into existence!
Here for our cousin Ocho 😂❤️🔥
Most definitely
Girl shut up he could have you if he wanted to that’s why you’re here, not cause he’s your “cousin” 🤣
Girl you just want to slee p with him 🤣 “cousin” lmao
@@KingCarolina_ First of all I’m a married woman! Secondly he’s not my type! Maybe your MAMMY wants to sleep with him! 🙄✌🏾
Nightcap backdrop super dope Ocho!!!
Haven’t heard Chad Johnson in so long I forgot that was his original name 😂
Ocho been asking for a min from Shannon to get on ESPN and it’s great it finally happened
Maddog is a national treasure
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He was on 2 days last week versus the normal 1 day. Best week ever. Dude knows his stuff
Ocho doing big things.
There’s a reason so many edge rushers go 1st overall. And only 1 receiver has ever gone first overall. There’s a reason why aside from qb, edge rushers have been picked the second most out of any position in the top 5 of all drafts. Edge rusher is hands down the more important position
Wrong tons of teams have made a super bowl without a top edge rusher almost no team had made a super bowl without a top receiver or tight end
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@@AlexRosner-v8tfunny how you threw in TEs and still wrong. Plenty have had a top 10 receiver or TE. You’re just looking at the recent SB winners also having to throw in TE to count Travis Kelcie lmao
@@AlexRosner-v8t name a team that has won a Super Bowl without an elite pass rush
A running back used to be most important. You can move the ball, control the clock, and keep your defense fresh. Receivers are more important now because of the rules and penalties. D lineman are constrained by the rules.
When it cuts to his smaller screen the sign says nigca
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Just noticed now that you mentioned it 😂😂😂
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He ain’t know about it 🤣
The Crossover we needed!!🙏
Those Patriots teams they're talking about didn't have that one dynamic edge rusher. They had a collection of really good football players on defense and the GOAT
My 🥷🏿 Ocho finally made it on First Take. Salute 🫡
The receiver will almost always have a defender focusing on slowing him down and isn't involved on a lot of plays. The edge rusher, comes full steam play after play. This means the ER is always in every play. They are more important overall, and focused on stopping or fooling on every play.
Wrong receiver effects every play edge rusher only has a few pressures a game
Wrong you can pressure a qb and tons of times the qb still completes the throw the best edge rusher only averages 1 sack a game
@@AlexRosner-v8tyea cause every single has the ball thrown to him every play or demands double teams every play when there’s like 10 to 20 guys who get doubled. Teams are only doubling 5 pass rushers in the league right now. Top receiver is more common than top edge rusher. You can easily make a top 5 edge rushers. You’d have a hard time making just a top 10 or even 15 receivers list when most teams have a #1. And some two #1s.
@@AlexRosner-v8tthe greatest edge rusher effects the game more than the greatest wide receiver. They can make in impact on every play. They’re closer to the hall They can shut plays down before they even get started
Edge doesn't mean u come after QB every play. I don't understand how ppl don't know football & speak on it so much
We want ocho!
You can see how green Ocho is lol. He's got great talent though and he'll get better with more practice in this kind of format
Hate the delays... these guys need to get back in the office or get better internet 😂😂😂
They do completely different things so you can’t really compare them. But they’re both equally important. Without WRs it’s easier to stop a teams offense because you need a run game and a passing game to be completely effective. Without edge rushers, the linebackers won’t have the extra support that they need to stop the offense.
Chiefs win 0 superbowls without Chris Jones . It’s defensive line and it’s not close
Wrong chiefs dud nothing with Chris jones for years before mahomes
Chiefs had Chris jones on 2015-2016-2017 and did absolutely nothing try again
Chiefs don’t make playoffs without. Kielce
Dumb comment chiefs defense gave up 35 points in super bowl with Chris jones and chiefs Ron because of kelce
Chris jones has 1 post season sack 😂😂😂
If you have an elite edge rusher the qb won't be able to get the ball to a receiver
We talking about pass rushers and no one mentioned Nicholas John Bosa?
Let’s go Chad
Love the Maxx Crosby reference. Bout time a Raider got some love!
I think it’s about even in terms of what’s more important to the QB .. like a cause and effect type of thing .. but as far as team building I’m taking a rusher there more rare to find
I see the new meta, Star QB with a Star TE, star WRs struggled to win championships, because when a WR is one of your leaders & best players on the Offense, you can't really grow. If anyone actually studies sports, how teams draft, how teams build a contender etc, you would understand. When the Star TE is a leader, the team can grow, when the star WR is a leader, you can't. Detroit Lions with Megatron, Minnesota Vikings with Randy Moss, San Fransisco with Terrell Owens are examples.
Ocho wants in the studio next
he said on Nightcap, he’ll take a flight anytime they call
@@reptonplaya put his suit on grab a scooter and cruise to the studio from the hotel 😂
Saban always worried about the X receiver in the NFL while he was with the Fins. The outside speed in the NFL caused him nightmares.. So what did he do at Bama? He recruited a young man from the state named Julio Jones. The rest is history, forever written in the annuals.
Mad dog made a good point but u also need a receiver who can win whether it’s man or zone. If u got a receiver who literally can’t get separation ur offense isn’t going anywhere.
I actually agree with Mad Dog for once - His takes on Pass Rushers were fair
Willie Mcginest had 16 sacks in the post season which is a record.
Im a colts fan and I was at the game when Myles Garrett went CRAZY!!! He should be a 99 on madden
That boy Ocho is MUST SEE TV
It’s an interesting debate. One great WR needs help otherwise he gets double teamed. One great edge rusher…..same thing. If I owned a team I’d pay my QB and my O-line first. If they were good
For all you ppl that keep saying or said Ocho is finally on first take clearly don’t follow him like you think you do. Bro been got on first take months ago
If the edge rusher gets to the qb fast enough it don’t matter how great the wr is.
U wanna win championships n playoff games u need to put pressure on the qb when it matters
Also, Mad Dogs argument about the Patriots and niners could have easily been solidified if he said last year's Chiefs. You get a good enough QB you can win without a star receiver. If the other QB is good enough, your only hope is to get edge rushers to get in the backfield and put him on his @ss
Ocho been grinding in the off season. I hope they give him chance with Stephen A and Shannon. He is a prime time tv talent.
Lewis has a point tho that the patriots are pretty much a separate category on their own due not needing top guys in both of those positions but certainly their guys were like top 15-20
I think Louis is underselling pretty significantly just how good Seymour was. And also how good Chandler Jones was for them in the latter period of the dynasty.
A great pass rush can literally shield a weak secondary or defensive period while you can get by without a top wideout this is not even a debate
OCHOOOOOO
They done let ocho on first take 😂
College receiver, nfl edge rusher
Kupp won MVP of the Super Bowl. And you can’t act like chiefs don’t have Kelce intentionally catching passes.
I prefer to have a Dominate Defense as opposed to Dominate WRs.
It aint say dominate defense it said pass rusher cant compare one WR to a whole defense you gotta pick 1 player lol
@@silverdasniper_ I will build any TEAM first around my Defense, can't do that with just one player on either side of the Ball.
@@natureredux1957Can you read?
Question.... did the Chief's beat the Niners in the Super Bowl because of their quality receiver play..... Or Chris Jones blowing up Brock Purdy?
did anyone do a wellness check on Brandon Marshall 😂😂😂
HOW ABOUTMR. CHRIS RUSSO ON NIGHTCAP??? 👀
Duh it’s a pass rusher🗣️ocho “ Stay with me now “
Mad dog burn them straight facts
Stay wit me nih
Mad dog knows was Up !! Who he name first MAD MAXX CROSBY BEST DE IN THE NFL
Receivers are more important than edge rushers
Obviously not edge. Usually the best WR get recognized by there stats & production. Unlike where in edge rusher the best stats don’t mean anything otherwise TJ watts league best stats would have won DPOY
If your QB has all day to throw the ball then you wouldn’t even need a great receiver on your team
Ocho wanted his First Take shot but wasn't ready as you can tell. Gotta strike while the iron is HOT my boy.
This wasn’t his first appearance, he was on earlier this year with unc
Mad Dog had some good points. But when your team needs it, you have to score.
Ocho made it!
Ochooooooooooooooooo
If wrs so important why they don’t go #1 ?
The more Louis talks the more ik why he didn't get hired anywhere 😂
He at least has a job, unlike the soon to be gone Joe Schoen in New York
Ocho making it look easy
All Day !!!
STAY WITH ME NOW !
its for sure edge rusher.
In all honesty you don’t win Super Bowl by being able to throw the football. Wr aren’t running the ball either. It’s in terms of winning championships you need a great Dline
Receivers are more important
No they’re not
Ocho still being indecisive
Willie Mcghinest?
FRIST TAKE X NIGHTCAP? 👀
Um no
WHERE TF IS TF WATT ?!??! HE SHOULD BE #1
I Now HATE Hearing "Mad Dog" Talk Sports BeCause Of Course He Is Going To Bring Old PointLess Stats To A New School Conversation SMH 🙄 😒
Mad Dog killed them.
Alright, this was completely scripted. Idk what's been going on with Lou this summer but he has been playing the everyman in every convo. Stop the cap, there has not been one quality team building discussion that started with receiver before edge rusher. No one is taking Justin Jefferson over Myles Garrett because the next JJ is probably coming up next year and you aren't going to see the next Garrett for 10 years.
How is this tough…think of LT
Chiefs don’t win the SB without Jones
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no take ocho
It's the WR he has more of a chance to score than a pass rusher.
True but stopping the other team from scoring and or getting good field position for your offense is like scoring.
DBs can return INTs, front line can scoop n score@@theflykingdom
No brainer
Real fans want their team to win....we aren't watching to see long passes...the pats had Randy moss and the Giants had a pass rush ... who won? Pass rush is more important
Prime example chiefs when they beat the eagles. They win because of the their front. Throwing the ball doesn’t win championships
Shannon got his boy a job? Lol
Sorry these pass rushers ain’t doing anything no more against these running qbs.
This is an absolutely idiotic question.
Garret nor Parson is better than TJ
Mad Dog made ZERO sense lol Patriots had a good DEFENSE. Not great pass rushers lmao dude really doesnt know about football at all. They had Tom freaking Brady
The only reason why talking about this topic because Micah is on the cover! Smh
Gimme Von Miller anyday
What patriotic what ?
Please forgive me I take everything I said I don’t want knowbody to lose. They job I’m not going to match energy with energy thanks and peace and love
He wasn't Micah or Myles but don't sleep on Richard Seymour when he was on the Patriots
Still wondering why mad Dogg is still relevant
Because he invented this game.
His radio show w/Francessa arguably created sports debate culture even more than PTI.
Mike and the Mad Dog was 5 daily hours of First Take 😂
@@SportsBuilding two things can be true. He’s an OG in the game but his takes/perspective are irrelevant and outdated. Sounds like a relic of the past. Case in point: His Bob Cousy takes
Bro mad dog Said straight facts
@@kliff_45 That’s the bit though. He shows up once a week with Stephen A. Smith to be the old guy and have fun
The most high is my my provider that’s his responsibility not men so with that being said it ain’t on yall to provide for me how I see it my bank is the bank of the most high I do not wish ill on no one I do not want to learn the way of a oppress the the most high will provide dose people may be good people and I may be taking it the wrong way because I believe everone hates me I’m sorry people I be tripping sometimes
I am the first to comment ❤
No you aren’t 😂
Ocho dropping the ball by not giving trey Hendrickson a shout out in the top edge rusher talk.
Breaks my chillie clogged heart bro😭