@Athos Aramis The problem is people like you, that are incapable of critical thinking, and have to have everything simplified to the point of absurdity.
It's not even that it is the truth. Holding any opinion that is not the 'correct' one is being made into a crime. Discussion and debate are out - bullying and indoctrination are in.
It is. They're basically arguing about what words mean, which is the most pointless thing you can do because none of them seem to understand what words even are.
Biology is more complex than high school biology. By high school biology several species have no males, thus shouldn't be able to reproduce, but somehow can.
XX can never be XY and vice versa. You can dress up, have surgery, take hormones, demand the world around you to speak your preferred pronouns... but the fact remains.
Opinions should not be offensive either, words cannot cause physical harm and there is no such thing as emotional harm equating physical harm; sticks and stones is completely ignored altogether!
Been this way for around 5-10 years only recently have any media covered this stupidity. Other media just don't mention it and then play the facts of as funny jokes and treat opinions like facts
offence is taken not always given. If however you are fighting for an ideology then you will swear black is white and if others do not accept that black is white then you bully and use any means necessary to enforce your point of view! some people in the world really are losing their grip on realty!
After careful consideration and taking into account the complexity of issues and not wishing to offend anyone, I’ve completely forgotten what I was going to say.
Yes, most of people don't agree with LGTB ideology but like Nazi they are trying to impose. I don't see any person commenting at the University Facebook.
Given our PM and leader of the opposition cannot bring themselves to say only women have a cervix, one even saying it is wrong to say that to begin with, I think that says it all..
It says a lot about the people governing us, yes. But don't forget: they have all been through this kind of university experience, learning this kind of stupidity.
Well done for mentioning that, Doris was squirming like the coward he is when he was asked the question. He is such a failure for this pretend conservative government. Still unable to even address such real issues of mass uncontrolled illegal migration. No real issues are addressed by this fool.
The whole point is being missed. This young lady didn't go out of her way to say any of these statements, she was ASKED to define what is a woman? If her answer was incorrect could someone please clarify what she should have said instead!
But that would be the death and tombstone of free speech wouldn't it? Obviously there are things that you cannot say like true offensive words that come from mindless claims but apart from that "telling an opinion" is exactly that. An opinion. To say that someone states an "incorrect opinion" and have someone dictate that opinion for you is the very definition of enslavement of mind and speech.
@@katerinaaqu your wrong. Mindless or not free speech needs to be respected. Why do radical leftists say they support free speech except for certain speech?
@@Censoredbyfscists What on earth are you talking about? This is literally what I am saying. I say that "dictating to someone what to say" so that people will not be offended by the "wrong opinion" is literally the tombstone of free speech. Where on earth is the wrong with that? Also free speech absolutism is not good either. I have no right bully someone in the name of free speech nor speak lies of someone in the name of free speech Again where is the wrong in that? (Plus I don't even care on "leftists" or "rightists". I am speaking purely on matter of free speech. I do not wish to speak with American political characterizations. Policing free speech is something that can happen regardless of political party and it is equally harmful)
Katy Jon Went, I wish more people, trans and not trans, could debate the issues in such a rational and respectful way as you do. You are a wonderful representative for the trans community.
What i have noticed is there is the trans community. Who generally would make a statement similar to "i dont care what you call me, just recognize my humanity". These are the reasonable people you can talk to and co exist with. Then there are the trans activist. Who push a Marxist agenda to attack the freedom of speach. These people are unreasonable radicals. And should be shut down or ignored. By the way this goes for almost every community. You can pick out the reasonable people vs radicals across the board.
Who are we kidding here. People are using language to beat down the opposition. These people aren't offended or feeling unsafe in the least they're simply jumping on the opportunity to bully a potential political or social opponent.
Let's be honest, everyone is sick of these delusional people and their pathetic cries of discrimination and the sooner it's put to a stop to the better.
If students take offence to what is Biological fact they should be expelled for being numptys. University is supposed to be a place of learning not a place of disruption for there own views.
Sid. Our children are being let down. Not only are they worried that the planet is going to die soon but they are not being educated to think critically. They are also being barraged with WOKE culture and bullying behaviour. This really saddens me.
Katy Jon Went seemed totally reasonable and intelligent - Lisa, too. It was quite refreshing! Glad that GBNews didn't take the tabloid-style route of simply setting up two oppositional groupthinkers to have a fight. Someone like Owen The-Permanently-Arse-Smacked-And-Offended Jones, for example.
@Douglas Ours current government is Conservative by name only. There is nothing about them that resembles true Conservatism. They are a sham, and a disgrace.
Facts are NOT offensive. If you can't define a woman anymore because it's offensive then we're really in trouble. Men and women are biologically different and it's as simple as that. What she said was NOT transphobic in any way.
Did she answer the question correctly? Yes So she is educating people? Yes So those who took offense are disrupting education? Yes When I was at school, people who disrupted education got removed from class. This whole discussion is focusing on the wrong thing, the focus needs to be on those who are disrupting education under the guise of "offense".
No she didn't. How on earth is that level of an answer correct? It's a completely moronic answer that belongs to middle schoolers level of biological understanding. If this was in a seminar she should fail the course. Most likely studying one of the dumbest programs, and still can't apply herself enough to obtain some basic knowledge before she speaks in a seminar.
The irony is most people fighting for trans rights and these doublespeak hate crimes aren't actually transsexual and are mostly offended on their behalf 🤷🏻♂️
@@LlibertarianGalt this. I find it infuriating when people pretend to be offended on my behalf. Most trans people arent mentally handicapped, thats just the activists who try and speak on our behalf.
If you said the opposite "women don't have...." you would have been met with just as much controversy. Do women have them or not? This shows the debate is controlled by feelings not facts.
Apparently the complaint against Lisa Keogh has not been upheld and she has, according to the university, been "cleared of misconduct charges". An interesting phrase which implies that speaking the truth, stating a fact, can somehow be a course of misconduct. I'd say it's a case of shameful conduct by the university.
Two thoughts: - The trans guest was a lot more reasonable than the ones you see on Twitter. - Probably every young bloke north of Hadrian' Wall is thinking "Lisa is sane and normal. What a keeper!"
The Victorians had a saying "Little children should be seen and not heard". Sad to see that the age of the children has tripled in the intervening years.
'Student investigated by university for stating scientifically and provably accurate fact' Offence cannot be given, to anybody, it is a subjective emotion that one can choose to dismiss. If this crap continues nobody will be able to speak to anybody about anything because somebody will *_take_* (ie, choose) to be offended. Grow up and get a grip, when you venture out into the real world you will realise that life will present you with actual real problems and worries.
Someone asks a question, gets a response and basically thinks the answer is derogatory. There is only one conclusion moving forward...that is for the speaker to recognise this is happening and bat it back. 'Don't waste everybody's time by asking a stupid question...Next '
Because "Abertay University" only received university status in the 1990s. It used to be a technical college for mechanics. It should have stuck to that.
This was quite possibly the most sensible discussion on this topic I have ever heard, I have never had any problem with someone choosing to live their lives as they please but because I cling to my own opinions on the matter instead of assimilating to their views I have been labeled as intolerant or bigoted and it is simply not fair, true acceptance can only be had if both sides of the matter are considered as equally valid points of view.
How refreshing to hear such rationality from Katie Went. Never heard of this person but what a difference in perspective in comparison to those usually given media coverage from that community. Those protesting Dave Chappelle's Netflix special a recent example.
@@caroldurand6803 i agree bro and with race its wierd how the western society obseesed with "race". Race does even exist . We are all humans and we are all brothers and sisters. To divide people into categories and place labels on them like they are some type of product is ridiculous its like your not even a normal human being with your own unique personality. In many other countries your "race" is your nationality and no matter how you look you are all as one. Its like they create these problems on purpose.
Understand!, What is there to understand? She merely stated facts. Show those who complained the door and invite them to leave the university and find another, or make a public apology to Lisa. These nasty, arrogant extremists need to be dealt with.
@@MikeD8318 Do you really thing there is a point in asking why someone is not in jail for a crime they were never charged with? A crime that came from the imagination of Sofa Lock? A crime so 'unspeakable' that Sofa Lock didn't speak about the evidence that any such crime has been committed. Do you really think the founders of Facebook and Twitter have committed 'crimes against humanity' and that they should have already thrown in jail without a trial? Both Sofa Lock and you know there has been no trial. Yet here he is asking for them to be thrown in jail regardless. That surely would be a crime. The point is there was no crime against humanity and he doesn't have to take part in anything he considers a crime. And it is perfectly sensible to ask. Which is what I did.
@@noelpucarua2843 If you think they haven't commited crimes against humanity by suppressing free speech, stopping truth being spread that goes against their puppetmaster George Soros' narrative, called for the destruction of America, the West, to remove all police and allow people to commit crimes and get away with it solely on their skin colour, then you are a useful idiot for communism and/or a bot channel.
@@MikeD8318 Why would Facebook or Twitter need George Soros? You do have freedom of speech. What are you complaining about? You think they want to remove all police so I suppose you support the police. Fine. But why have the police not arrested the founders of Facebook and Twitter? Where and when did the founders of Facebook and Twitter call for the destruction of America? You can use your free speech to answer those questions for a start.
It’s nice to see two people who can disagree, but agree to disagree. ‘Equality’ courses are now running in every job all over the country, but everyone’s opinions in them are not equal, it’s think one way or be targeted. We talk about extremism, how is this ideology not being seen as extremist when you can be fired for disagreeing with it.
The people who complained should be disciplined and kicked out of Uni. I hope Lisa wins and wins well, the University should NOT have taken two months during exam time to decide on the complaint.
Think it was in the US, a boy wore a skirt for school, went into the girls toilets and brutally raped a young girl, he was transferred to another school and did the same again. That's totally unacceptable and boys/men in girls/women's toilets or changing rooms is wrong. I have a 17 yr old daughter and I would be immensely pissed off if I found out lads were using her and other females private facilities.
Unbelievable! What on earth is going on in our universities? This is truly alarming and happening all too often. A biological fact that cannot be disputed except by a minority of nasty little bullies.
University entrance criteria should include sensitivity testing of potential students! And universities need to return to one of its fundamental raisons d'etre of frank, honest and open discussion, debate and opinion!!
@@joycegibbs5267 I agree! Defund the universities!....oh they already did that so now its vested interests that determine the curricula and political leanings of univ...oops.. indoctrination centres.
...and know the fundamentals of science. Chromosomes or true haemaphrodites aside, but haven't seen many men born with cervices or vaginas. This is not even a "human rights" issue. I worry about the kind of world our kids will grow up in.
I would agree. Divide and rule. This stuff has an origin, a beginning and a purpose. And sadly it works. Some seem too easily distracted and de-railed by absurdities. The self appointed Rulers must find it amusing to see us fighting one another at this ludicrous level.
Makes you wonder how they made it into University with their level of knowledge. I hope Lisa gets millions in compensation for what they are doing to her.
Thank you GB News for another good and well constructed discussion. No shouting, no offending, just working out people’s views, politics and how to handle sensitive subjects again.
First pragmatic trans person I've ever heard . It was heartwarming to hear your views unlike the usual narrative from the oppressed victims who need to their voices heard.
The university offended by truth on other people's behalf, now have to defend themselves in court. Perhaps they need to create a few more policy boxes to tick, "is it legal?", "freedom of speech" and "does it trample on non-wokerati people's rights?". Also "is our intended cancel victim a lawyer?"
Stay strong, Lisa, you're speaking for women!!
It is telling that someone speaking a factual truth can be investigated for that. The Western countries are slowly crumbling.
She is speaking for men, too. She is speaking for a healthy society.
She’s speaking for sanity.
@@douglas7000 I hope she is speaking for humanity. Someone has to!
@Athos Aramis The problem is people like you, that are incapable of critical thinking, and have to have everything simplified to the point of absurdity.
It’s insane that speaking the truth is a crime these days.
It's not even that it is the truth. Holding any opinion that is not the 'correct' one is being made into a crime. Discussion and debate are out - bullying and indoctrination are in.
@@douglas7000 I believe the term these demented 'woke' hysterics use for 'absolute biological fact' is 'problematic'..
More than that... It's a witchcraft'ery and thos who do shall burn on stake.
Amen to that
@@frankmlchaelglasscock6539 when do we get to the
Deus Vult and the wokeists?
Biology cannot be argued against. It’s fact.
It is. They're basically arguing about what words mean, which is the most pointless thing you can do because none of them seem to understand what words even are.
And we're supposed to trust the science?!?!??
How dare you say that? We can piss from whichever hole we want ok?
Biology is more complex than high school biology. By high school biology several species have no males, thus shouldn't be able to reproduce, but somehow can.
@@muuubiee you speak nonsense
XX can never be XY and vice versa. You can dress up, have surgery, take hormones, demand the world around you to speak your preferred pronouns... but the fact remains.
You can stick apples on a pear tree but it’s still a pear tree. Its DNA
She was 100 percent correct in what she said. It’s just facts. The people that are complaining are lost in their head. They need to look in the mirror
Those Offended are the PROBLEM.
there putting themselfs in a box that will be burnt
You are absolutely right…
It is usually those that shout and complain the loudest that are the Problem…even those claiming racism,bullying etc etc
The world has gone mad when facts become offensive!
it is a face palmer for sure, it is getting absurd.
Opinions should not be offensive either, words cannot cause physical harm and there is no such thing as emotional harm equating physical harm; sticks and stones is completely ignored altogether!
Вот так -докатились. Психопаты извращенцы взяли над нами верх
Been this way for around 5-10 years only recently have any media covered this stupidity.
Other media just don't mention it and then play the facts of as funny jokes and treat opinions like facts
1984
Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right. (Ricky Gervais)
offence is taken not always given. If however you are fighting for an ideology then you will swear black is white and if others do not accept that black is white then you bully and use any means necessary to enforce your point of view! some people in the world really are losing their grip on realty!
AND . . . I retain the right to be offensive when called for.
And I'm sure Jimmy Carr once stated "offence is taken, not given"
Oh my god, what the hell is going on, mother nature is finite. She's just telling basic truths. Well done Girly!!!! Be proud
Well said Lisa, stay strong and most people around the world are sick of the BS
my god, we are in BIG trouble. The insanity of this woke world, knows no bounds.
Joyce it is getting really serious now.
After careful consideration and taking into account the complexity of issues and not wishing to offend anyone, I’ve completely forgotten what I was going to say.
Welcome to the UK, Europes biggest open air asylum.
USA: Hold my beer.
We are all in Bedlam!!
Dumping ground for rotten European and usa/Asian ideology and politics all failed politics.
Not this time though hey.
Airstrip one
When the woke culture hates both science and religion all the same. They choose idiocracy and strongly advocating it.
Well done Lisa. Millions of people agree with you.
Well done Lisa......sue the shirt off their backs that will shut them up.
Not millions
Billions and Billions people agree with her.
Billions
Oh, Billions Martin. Billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions.
Yes, most of people don't agree with LGTB ideology but like Nazi they are trying to impose. I don't see any person commenting at the University Facebook.
What ever is happening to the world it’s absolutely ridiculous
"Taking offence" is the newest hobby.
Good for her, this nonsense needs to fought back against . Sick of this miniscule of mental people shouting the odds
Katie doesn't know that we women dd not invite men into our realm. He'll need to choose another designation.
Laugh at them. Mockery will stop this idiocy.
@@americanwoman3267 Well said!
Given our PM and leader of the opposition cannot bring themselves to say only women have a cervix, one even saying it is wrong to say that to begin with, I think that says it all..
It says a lot about the people governing us, yes. But don't forget: they have all been through this kind of university experience, learning this kind of stupidity.
Katy is VERY obviously a man! 🙄
Those politicians are cowards
There are lobbyists lining their pockets
Well done for mentioning that, Doris was squirming like the coward he is when he was asked the question. He is such a failure for this pretend conservative government. Still unable to even address such real issues of mass uncontrolled illegal migration. No real issues are addressed by this fool.
She needs to sue those that tried to stitch her up
Using the failed and corrupt ‘justice’ system?
@@UltimateProbot No . Find out who they are and then ........!
@@UltimateProbot Scots law is pretty good. It's only jury trials where you get really astounding results.
The whole point is being missed. This young lady didn't go out of her way to say any of these statements, she was ASKED to define what is a woman? If her answer was incorrect could someone please clarify what she should have said instead!
Apparently, woman are anybody who want to compete in woman sports!
But that would be the death and tombstone of free speech wouldn't it? Obviously there are things that you cannot say like true offensive words that come from mindless claims but apart from that "telling an opinion" is exactly that. An opinion. To say that someone states an "incorrect opinion" and have someone dictate that opinion for you is the very definition of enslavement of mind and speech.
@@katerinaaqu your wrong. Mindless or not free speech needs to be respected. Why do radical leftists say they support free speech except for certain speech?
@@Censoredbyfscists What on earth are you talking about? This is literally what I am saying. I say that "dictating to someone what to say" so that people will not be offended by the "wrong opinion" is literally the tombstone of free speech. Where on earth is the wrong with that?
Also free speech absolutism is not good either. I have no right bully someone in the name of free speech nor speak lies of someone in the name of free speech
Again where is the wrong in that?
(Plus I don't even care on "leftists" or "rightists". I am speaking purely on matter of free speech. I do not wish to speak with American political characterizations. Policing free speech is something that can happen regardless of political party and it is equally harmful)
Katy Jon Went, I wish more people, trans and not trans, could debate the issues in such a rational and respectful way as you do. You are a wonderful representative for the trans community.
What i have noticed is there is the trans community. Who generally would make a statement similar to "i dont care what you call me, just recognize my humanity". These are the reasonable people you can talk to and co exist with. Then there are the trans activist. Who push a Marxist agenda to attack the freedom of speach. These people are unreasonable radicals. And should be shut down or ignored.
By the way this goes for almost every community. You can pick out the reasonable people vs radicals across the board.
Who are we kidding here. People are using language to beat down the opposition. These people aren't offended or feeling unsafe in the least they're simply jumping on the opportunity to bully a potential political or social opponent.
Spot on, John.
Well said!
"Bullying Life Hack" by Ryan Long:
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If you can get positions of power to make someone's life hell just because you disagree with that person, guess what? *YOU'RE* the oppressor!
Let's be honest, everyone is sick of these delusional people and their pathetic cries of discrimination and the sooner it's put to a stop to the better.
If students take offence to what is Biological fact they should be expelled for being numptys. University is supposed to be a place of learning not a place of disruption for there own views.
Uni and schools seem to be a playground of the loony left to promote their left wing politics, not a learning environment.
Sid. Our children are being let down. Not only are they worried that the planet is going to die soon but they are not being educated to think critically. They are also being barraged with WOKE culture and bullying behaviour. This really saddens me.
imagine... some of them may actually be going on into the medical field
I seriously worry for the next generation if this is how University's are being run!
Too late
The "next" generation is here and we are screwed.
We're with you Lisa, stay strong and never back down.
Katy Jon Went seemed totally reasonable and intelligent - Lisa, too. It was quite refreshing!
Glad that GBNews didn't take the tabloid-style route of simply setting up two oppositional groupthinkers to have a fight. Someone like Owen The-Permanently-Arse-Smacked-And-Offended Jones, for example.
If it was Dan wootons interview then he would have had it like Jeremy Kyle the naughty boy
You've taken the words right out of my mouth...
Owen was busy being a hall-monitor somewhere.
@@robertmartin2867 Milk monitor. He wasn't good enough to be a hall monitor.
The man who believes he is a woman is intelligent, no he is mentally ill.
This young lady is absolutely correct
Am American summed the left up perfectly today when he said it's the insane against the normal !
The 'left'? This unnamed American uses the term left as a term for abuse.
@@feargach2107, Marco Rubio and he spoke the truth and nothing but the truth...
It's not just 'the left' when our own Conservative government do no better.
@@douglas7000, I fully agree with you the Tories have gone to the woke left but if Farage return they will be out next time...
@Douglas
Ours current government is Conservative by name only. There is nothing about them that resembles true Conservatism. They are a sham, and a disgrace.
“Far fewer people give offense than people necessarily take offense.”
How true.
1. There’s no right not to be offended.
2. If facts offend you, tough.
Facts are NOT offensive. If you can't define a woman anymore because it's offensive then we're really in trouble. Men and women are biologically different and it's as simple as that.
What she said was NOT transphobic in any way.
Did she answer the question correctly? Yes
So she is educating people? Yes
So those who took offense are disrupting education? Yes
When I was at school, people who disrupted education got removed from class.
This whole discussion is focusing on the wrong thing, the focus needs to be on those who are disrupting education under the guise of "offense".
No she didn't. How on earth is that level of an answer correct? It's a completely moronic answer that belongs to middle schoolers level of biological understanding.
If this was in a seminar she should fail the course. Most likely studying one of the dumbest programs, and still can't apply herself enough to obtain some basic knowledge before she speaks in a seminar.
@@muuubiee what the actual fuck are you talking about?
@@muuubiee even my dog understands biology but radical leftists aren't as smart as him.
Katy is about the most straight talking diversity equity and inclusion transperson I've ever heard speak. I guess I just expect them to be nuts.
Didn´t say what I expected to hear
The irony is most people fighting for trans rights and these doublespeak hate crimes aren't actually transsexual and are mostly offended on their behalf 🤷🏻♂️
@@LlibertarianGalt this. I find it infuriating when people pretend to be offended on my behalf. Most trans people arent mentally handicapped, thats just the activists who try and speak on our behalf.
The ‘trans person’ is a man.
@@jackbrechwald8344 I dont think they would disagree with you on that either.
It’s not extreme attitudes, it’s insanity!
And these students are paying thousands of pounds a year to learn what?
To learn what? How to think? Not everyone is the same?
It appears the very word 'fact' is in danger of becoming obsolete.
A fact is a judgement based on evidence. The preponderance of evidence determines fact.
@@JRobbySh Not if you chose to ignore the evidence.
Spot on young lady well done for not being part of there imaginary illusions
If you said the opposite "women don't have...." you would have been met with just as much controversy. Do women have them or not? This shows the debate is controlled by feelings not facts.
Absolutely!!
classic trap, damned if you do, damned if you dont. There is no right answer to these people, they just want to attack.
Would the University take offense if it's funding was removed.
Really nice to hear a civilised conversation. Conversations like this are like unicorns these days. Well done to all 3 involved 👏
We need more people like this woman. Stop this insanity.
Yes Lisa is a woman..the man seemed fairly level headed to
We need many more people like these two speaking out. Much love and respect to them.
Where have all these offended people come from? I am 61 and if any of my 3 sons were offended by this I would slap them into next week.
This nonsense needs to stop absolutely pathetic taking offence for hearing the truth spoken
Truth is treason in the empire of lies.
Apparently the complaint against Lisa Keogh has not been upheld and she has, according to the university, been "cleared of misconduct charges". An interesting phrase which implies that speaking the truth, stating a fact, can somehow be a course of misconduct. I'd say it's a case of shameful conduct by the university.
Two thoughts:
- The trans guest was a lot more reasonable than the ones you see on Twitter.
- Probably every young bloke north of Hadrian' Wall is thinking "Lisa is sane and normal. What a keeper!"
And south of it
We really must get past the whole idea that it matters that somebody feels offended by something.
Time we threw this rubbish in the bin where it belongs. She is absolutely right and they are absolutely wrong.
The Victorians had a saying "Little children should be seen and not heard". Sad to see that the age of the children has tripled in the intervening years.
We need more people like Lisa, she has courage and is not a coward.
'Student investigated by university for stating scientifically and provably accurate fact' Offence cannot be given, to anybody, it is a subjective emotion that one can choose to dismiss. If this crap continues nobody will be able to speak to anybody about anything because somebody will *_take_* (ie, choose) to be offended. Grow up and get a grip, when you venture out into the real world you will realise that life will present you with actual real problems and worries.
Good on you Lisa, get them for every penny you can. A university that does not know science is not a university in my books.
God help this woman... She needs our prayers.
God help us all
I’ll pray for this lady
In Jesus Christ mighty name.
Amen.
God has abandoned Scotland.
God's aren't real. Grow up
Someone asks a question, gets a response and basically thinks the answer is derogatory.
There is only one conclusion moving forward...that is for the speaker to recognise this is happening and bat it back.
'Don't waste everybody's time by asking a stupid question...Next '
This happened in a classroom, a place of learning. Have the conversation and maybe everyone will learn something?
This is proper Kafkaesque insanity.
Now people are frightened of telling the truth,what the hell is going on in this country or indeed in this world.
Just another thought - why would a University deny basic human Biology as what it is?
Because "Abertay University" only received university status in the 1990s. It used to be a technical college for mechanics. It should have stuck to that.
This was quite possibly the most sensible discussion on this topic I have ever heard, I have never had any problem with someone choosing to live their lives as they please but because I cling to my own opinions on the matter instead of assimilating to their views I have been labeled as intolerant or bigoted and it is simply not fair, true acceptance can only be had if both sides of the matter are considered as equally valid points of view.
2:52 "We have this ludicrous situation where we can't state facts." Exactly the problem! Lies do not offend the tender sensibilities.
IF I TAKE MY DOG AND HAVE A COWS UDDER GRAFTED TO IT ---- THAT DOES MOT MAKE IT A COW --- END OF STORY "
100%. University leadership needs to stop enabling bullying and arguably, religious discrimination.
Every individual that denies biology should be willing to subject themselves to a full-body examination by CAT scan! Then stand by the results!
They would only be shocked to find out how tiny there brains were
Amazing Lisa you’re saying what we are all thinking !
How refreshing to hear such rationality from Katie Went. Never heard of this person but what a difference in perspective in comparison to those usually given media coverage from that community. Those protesting Dave Chappelle's Netflix special a recent example.
That's the most level headed argument I've heard from a trans bod
A few million quid compensation and bankrupt the Uni would be a good start !!!
"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
Respect to Katy. I've never heard someone with her job title be so reasonable.
Thank you Katy for standing up for Lisa. Lisa you did nothing wrong and good luck with your law suit.
It's weird how it's the non-trans people that get offended on 'behalf' of the trans community.
same with race
@@caroldurand6803 i agree bro and with race its wierd how the western society obseesed with "race". Race does even exist . We are all humans and we are all brothers and sisters. To divide people into categories and place labels on them like they are some type of product is ridiculous its like your not even a normal human being with your own unique personality.
In many other countries your "race" is your nationality and no matter how you look you are all as one.
Its like they create these problems on purpose.
Understand!, What is there to understand? She merely stated facts. Show those who complained the door and invite them to leave the university and find another, or make a public apology to Lisa. These nasty, arrogant extremists need to be dealt with.
I totally agree with you Pete 👍🏻
Why have the founders of Facebook and Twitter not been thrown in jail for unspeakable crimes against humanity they have caused by there platforms?
Do you use those platforms? You don't have to, you know!
@@noelpucarua2843 That's not the point made.
@@MikeD8318 Do you really thing there is a point in asking why someone is not in jail for a crime they were never charged with? A crime that came from the imagination of Sofa Lock? A crime so 'unspeakable' that Sofa Lock didn't speak about the evidence that any such crime has been committed.
Do you really think the founders of Facebook and Twitter have committed 'crimes against humanity' and that they should have already thrown in jail without a trial? Both Sofa Lock and you know there has been no trial. Yet here he is asking for them to be thrown in jail regardless. That surely would be a crime.
The point is there was no crime against humanity and he doesn't have to take part in anything he considers a crime. And it is perfectly sensible to ask. Which is what I did.
@@noelpucarua2843 If you think they haven't commited crimes against humanity by suppressing free speech, stopping truth being spread that goes against their puppetmaster George Soros' narrative, called for the destruction of America, the West, to remove all police and allow people to commit crimes and get away with it solely on their skin colour, then you are a useful idiot for communism and/or a bot channel.
@@MikeD8318 Why would Facebook or Twitter need George Soros?
You do have freedom of speech. What are you complaining about?
You think they want to remove all police so I suppose you support the police. Fine. But why have the police not arrested the founders of Facebook and Twitter?
Where and when did the founders of Facebook and Twitter call for the destruction of America?
You can use your free speech to answer those questions for a start.
It’s nice to see two people who can disagree, but agree to disagree. ‘Equality’ courses are now running in every job all over the country, but everyone’s opinions in them are not equal, it’s think one way or be targeted. We talk about extremism, how is this ideology not being seen as extremist when you can be fired for disagreeing with it.
They weren't disagreeing though.
"The sky is blue." How dare you say such a thing!
The question 'Define a woman' was posed for this specific reason .
she said what!!!!!!!????? how dare she speak scientific FACT at university? the sheer cheek of it. smh.
The people who complained should be disciplined and kicked out of Uni. I hope Lisa wins and wins well, the University should NOT have taken two months during exam time to decide on the complaint.
University has become a business, students see customers. Dynamic changed. Students are feared as "the customer is always right"
I hope to is able to secure punitive damages against the university and secure a precedent for a tsunami of civil cases.
This is an example of people getting offended on behalf of other people who are not themselves offended.
I don't care what anyone has 'been through' no men in women's spaces.
Think it was in the US, a boy wore a skirt for school, went into the girls toilets and brutally raped a young girl, he was transferred to another school and did the same again. That's totally unacceptable and boys/men in girls/women's toilets or changing rooms is wrong. I have a 17 yr old daughter and I would be immensely pissed off if I found out lads were using her and other females private facilities.
Unbelievable! What on earth is going on in our universities? This is truly alarming and happening all too often. A biological fact that cannot be disputed except by a minority of nasty little bullies.
University entrance criteria should include sensitivity testing of potential students! And universities need to return to one of its fundamental raisons d'etre of frank, honest and open discussion, debate and opinion!!
too late, they're indoctrination centres now.
@@joycegibbs5267 I agree! Defund the universities!....oh they already did that so now its vested interests that determine the curricula and political leanings of univ...oops.. indoctrination centres.
...and know the fundamentals of science. Chromosomes or true haemaphrodites aside, but haven't seen many men born with cervices or vaginas. This is not even a "human rights" issue. I worry about the kind of world our kids will grow up in.
An actual discussion! 🙌🏼
Where's the link to her Crowdfunding page?
That was a very interesting, intelligent interview. Nicely done.
Why are you not talking against these evil wicked therapies offered by the nhs..
It’s called divide and rule. A good piece.
I would agree. Divide and rule. This stuff has an origin, a beginning and a purpose. And sadly it works. Some seem too easily distracted and de-railed by absurdities. The self appointed Rulers must find it amusing to see us fighting one another at this ludicrous level.
Makes you wonder how they made it into University with their level of knowledge.
I hope Lisa gets millions in compensation for what they are doing to her.
You have to realize that we live in a time where a person who lived as a man for 50+ years was given an award “Woman of the year “.
It's official, the world has gone totally mad!
What Lisa said was common sense. Who ever doesent agree with her needs to undergo a psychiatric evaluation.
Thank you GB News for another good and well constructed discussion.
No shouting, no offending, just working out people’s views, politics and how to handle sensitive subjects again.
It was an interesting discussion but it was lacking an opposing view. Katie and Lisa (and presenter) were aligned.
At last! One "transperson" who isn't raving mad. The same cannot be said of the student's co-students.
First pragmatic trans person I've ever heard . It was heartwarming to hear your views unlike the usual narrative from the oppressed victims who need to their voices heard.
First time I’ve ever heard a diversity and inclusion facilitator talk sense.
Why ask a question and then take offence at the answer?
Sounds like she was baited into making a statement that would allow and facilitate outrage
"The truth only hurts when you want to believe a lie" - Jennifer McVey
Definitely need more level headed people like Katy at the front of this debate. A great advocate for Trans people.
100%!
The university offended by truth on other people's behalf, now have to defend themselves in court.
Perhaps they need to create a few more policy boxes to tick, "is it legal?", "freedom of speech" and "does it trample on non-wokerati people's rights?".
Also "is our intended cancel victim a lawyer?"
Thanks for this Alex. Two outstanding guests.