There is a error in this video - the GCM of the Triton is 5885kg, and I describe is as 5585kg. You can calculate values for any GCM (including the Triton's correct value!) here -> l2sfbc.com/towing-weights-calculator/
This is by far the best video for explanation and comparison I've seen. Super helpful for a newbie like me getting in to the caravan scene with my D'max. Thanks
Good analysis. Towed a 3t van 40,000km around Oz with a BT-50 XT 3.2. Picked the base spec XT for better load capacity. It did the job but the next van will be
A really great video It is just sad that Ute manufacturer con the buying public that towing capacity is the only 5hing that matters. Best off being very conservative and allow a bigger margin or buffer so decrease the ATM of the trailer and don't stick the huge bull bar on the front. Interesting that if you do tow 3500 kg with a Ranger you would be over the GVM with four adults 8n the car plus a toothbrush to share.
Thanks for the video. To my mind a key thing that really matters is the ratio of actual mass of the loaded ute v the actual mass of the trailer. I have a Ssangyong Musso so that is not anywhere near the top 6 selling anyway. However I think your video is really helpful for any ute owner. Sadly the people who should watch it probably won't.
So I did - someone else commented. I have pinned a comment and edited the description. I see what happened, mixed up 5885 and 5585 :-( Sorry about that everyone.
Having owned different utes and currently owning a 200 series, v6 amarok, and 2 v8 grand Cherokee’s I can say that out of the utes the amarok is a clear winner due to powerful and responsive engine. Towing 3500kg and shifting weights around to get 300kg Tbm the amarok has more power delivery than you would ever need only dropping lower than 7th gear for a tall incline.
Enjoyed this Rob. Next time you do this I reckon RRP would be good to give a bang for buck factor. Also since doing it as the 4x4 versions which are most popular describing how and when each can use 4 paw power is critical IMO as their is a significant safety factor between AWD or RWD esppecially towing where the sometimes lighter tug can get pushed and pulled around by the trailer and as the lion's share of towing heavy trailers is on bitumen this really matters! Love your work. My comments are suggestions and not criticisms I trust you understand. Your diagrammatic presentations are awesome.
Thanks Wayne, I really appreciate your detailed comments and encouragement, and understand it's not a criticism - wouldn't actually bother me if it was, I do listen to feedback when it is substantiaed like yours. I may do 2WD vs 4WD version - I very much agree AWD is better onroad. However the 2WD versions can often tow more due to greater payload, they are cheaper, and more fuel efficient so there's advantages.
@@L2SFBC it is appreciated that you read and respond. Yes RWD only in utes has advantages in payload and running costs but I reckon the resale equation negates the savings from my observations. Love your work mate!
I have just come home from an Outback trip. Between Winton and Longreach, I saw two caravans being towed by midsize SUV which had crashed being cleared up. Both accidents had lost control and run off the road severely damaging the vehicle and caravan and there were wild brake marks on the road.
All this being said, the payload able to carry, how many people, bullbar, towbar ect. If payload allowed 400kg with gcm at Max, add say 3 x 80kg people bullbar at say 80kg, that's 320kg, then there's towbar ect. You can't really carry a esky with a few drinks.
good stuff again Rob , but how about rear axle load , distance from rear axle to towball and user manual notes about the number of passengers in the dualcabs and amount of fuel when above 2800 towing ?
Hi, just saw this video. Great content value. Have you considered doing a similar video for the ‘Ute-based’ wagons (Everest/fortuner/pajero sport(challenger)/etc?
I think you made an error with the Triton. Just checked my MQ manual and GVM is 2900 kg, GCM is 5885 not 5585 kg. This means there is a 115 kg difference.
I also noted this error and have been reading all comments before I made a comment. This makes the Triton shine even further than suggested on paper but in real life that long distance from rear diff to tow bar is a real killer as far as stability goes for towing.
Surprised that the manual variant (hilux) can tow more. Usually automatic variants (i.e hilux 500Nm) have slightly more torque than their manual counterparts (i.e hilux 430Nm).
I'm curious, these trucks seem more like the mid sized line of trucks in the US. Like Dodge Dakota, Nissan Frontier, Chevy Colorado? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the conversions? Is there a larger truck line available? Like a Ram, Titan or Silverado? I hope that makes sense! 🤔🇺🇸
If I leave my wife and kids at home how heavy a trailer can I pull ? Just joking , this is very helpful stuff . However I can't see that Triton should be at the top when only towing 3100 kg against others towing 3500 kg . If the others dropped to towing 3100 they can take an extra 400 kg payload . That part makes no sense to me .
@@wax333 Triton can tow 3500kg but there are some pretty restrictive conditions such as triple axle trailer etc. Realistically none of the utes should be towing 3.5t anyway. The relevant marketing department isn't going to come to your aid when the fan gets dirty.
There is a error in this video - the GCM of the Triton is 5885kg, and I describe is as 5585kg. You can calculate values for any GCM (including the Triton's correct value!) here -> l2sfbc.com/towing-weights-calculator/
This is by far the best video for explanation and comparison I've seen. Super helpful for a newbie like me getting in to the caravan scene with my D'max. Thanks
Glad it was helpful! Please share :-)
This is a great summary. I'm sure there are innuances eg adding bull bar etc but I like the graphics and simplicity.
Good analysis. Towed a 3t van 40,000km around Oz with a BT-50 XT 3.2. Picked the base spec XT for better load capacity. It did the job but the next van will be
A really great video
It is just sad that Ute manufacturer con the buying public that towing capacity is the only 5hing that matters.
Best off being very conservative and allow a bigger margin or buffer so decrease the ATM of the trailer and don't stick the huge bull bar on the front.
Interesting that if you do tow 3500 kg with a Ranger you would be over the GVM with four adults 8n the car plus a toothbrush to share.
Thanks for the video. To my mind a key thing that really matters is the ratio of actual mass of the loaded ute v the actual mass of the trailer. I have a Ssangyong Musso so that is not anywhere near the top 6 selling anyway. However I think your video is really helpful for any ute owner. Sadly the people who should watch it probably won't.
The GCM,of the Triton is 5885kg, I have one and when you quoted 5585 I thought that sounded incorrect, so looked it up on the Mitzy site
So I did - someone else commented. I have pinned a comment and edited the description. I see what happened, mixed up 5885 and 5585 :-( Sorry about that everyone.
Having owned different utes and currently owning a 200 series, v6 amarok, and 2 v8 grand Cherokee’s I can say that out of the utes the amarok is a clear winner due to powerful and responsive engine. Towing 3500kg and shifting weights around to get 300kg Tbm the amarok has more power delivery than you would ever need only dropping lower than 7th gear for a tall incline.
If only it had low
One thing thats missed here is engine power....you can put the 3t trailer behind a 4cyl, but the amarok is going to handle it so much better....
Enjoyed this Rob. Next time you do this I reckon RRP would be good to give a bang for buck factor. Also since doing it as the 4x4 versions which are most popular describing how and when each can use 4 paw power is critical IMO as their is a significant safety factor between AWD or RWD esppecially towing where the sometimes lighter tug can get pushed and pulled around by the trailer and as the lion's share of towing heavy trailers is on bitumen this really matters!
Love your work.
My comments are suggestions and not criticisms I trust you understand.
Your diagrammatic presentations are awesome.
Thanks Wayne, I really appreciate your detailed comments and encouragement, and understand it's not a criticism - wouldn't actually bother me if it was, I do listen to feedback when it is substantiaed like yours.
I may do 2WD vs 4WD version - I very much agree AWD is better onroad. However the 2WD versions can often tow more due to greater payload, they are cheaper, and more fuel efficient so there's advantages.
@@L2SFBC it is appreciated that you read and respond. Yes RWD only in utes has advantages in payload and running costs but I reckon the resale equation negates the savings from my observations.
Love your work mate!
Thanks for explaining this. Very helpful!
I have just come home from an Outback trip. Between Winton and Longreach, I saw two caravans being towed by midsize SUV which had crashed being cleared up. Both accidents had lost control and run off the road severely damaging the vehicle and caravan and there were wild brake marks on the road.
Gross Combination Mass !
Well done. It would be great if you can do popular SUV (not large)comparison. Thanks.
In New Zealand on the Triton we get 3500kg towing capacity plus 135kw of power and 437Nm of torque 🤙🏻
triton is limited to 3100kg as standard youll need a trailer with 3 axels and 4% TBM to tow 3500kgs read the fine print lol
140kgs tbm to tow3500kgs
All this being said, the payload able to carry, how many people, bullbar, towbar ect. If payload allowed 400kg with gcm at Max, add say 3 x 80kg people bullbar at say 80kg, that's 320kg, then there's towbar ect. You can't really carry a esky with a few drinks.
I would love to see the same comparison for the wagons. Mux, Pathfinder etc. Excellent presentation, thanks.
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With the LC200 vehicle….to get to the GVM of 3350kg…..you can only add around 650kg to its kerb weight….
good stuff again Rob , but how about rear axle load , distance from rear axle to towball and user manual notes about the number of passengers in the dualcabs and amount of fuel when above 2800 towing ?
Hi, just saw this video.
Great content value.
Have you considered doing a similar video for the ‘Ute-based’ wagons (Everest/fortuner/pajero sport(challenger)/etc?
Yes, planned
I think you made an error with the Triton. Just checked my MQ manual and GVM is 2900 kg, GCM is 5885 not 5585 kg. This means there is a 115 kg difference.
I also noted this error and have been reading all comments before I made a comment. This makes the Triton shine even further than suggested on paper but in real life that long distance from rear diff to tow bar is a real killer as far as stability goes for towing.
The new gen Ranger V6 when you compare the GVM & max tow VS GCM the figure is now -380kg.
GVM 3280kg
GCM 6400kg
Would love to see an update on this video with the new Ranger GCM @6400kg now and various other vehicle updates
Will do...
Paper doesn’t tell the full story/ stability of the tow etc.
Triton gcm is at 5885
Surprised that the manual variant (hilux) can tow more. Usually automatic variants (i.e hilux 500Nm) have slightly more torque than their manual counterparts (i.e hilux 430Nm).
the dmax would be the unsafest one as underpowered to buggery
Mitsubishi the top best, Volkswagen second, Ford third
Great video, can you recommend a vehicle to tow a 2400kg
Yes. One that's rated 3000kg or more.
I am assuming that you do not include the 2020 Hilux as this has a tow rate of 3500 not 3200kg, 3200 was prior to 2019
Yes it was 3200 as of that date. I will make an updated video at some point.
Robert
Would my cruiser Ute with a gvm upgrade of 3395 affect the towing capacity of 3500 kg
Tare of a van I’m looking at is 2650 kg
Cheers
Have a look at my GVM Upgrades and Towing video
I'm curious, these trucks seem more like the mid sized line of trucks in the US. Like Dodge Dakota, Nissan Frontier, Chevy Colorado? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the conversions? Is there a larger truck line available? Like a Ram, Titan or Silverado? I hope that makes sense! 🤔🇺🇸
Yes they are small compared to your USA pick-ups some of which we do have here
Frontier is a navara
The 2020 hilux sr5 has 3.5 ton towing because they put a new engine in it
Nothing to do with the engine. It was the transmission.
Can anyone please confirm what the GCM is for a 2015 Amarok Highline 4x4?
If I leave my wife and kids at home how heavy a trailer can I pull ? Just joking , this is very helpful stuff . However I can't see that Triton should be at the top when only towing 3100 kg against others towing 3500 kg . If the others dropped to towing 3100 they can take an extra 400 kg payload . That part makes no sense to me .
It's just comparing with different loads.
The triton now has a braked towing capacity of 3.5 tonnes. and d max can tow 3.5 tonnes at GCM.
@@wax333 That's good but they downgraded the X-trail from 2000 kg to 1500 which is stupid .
@@wax333 Triton can tow 3500kg but there are some pretty restrictive conditions such as triple axle trailer etc. Realistically none of the utes should be towing 3.5t anyway. The relevant marketing department isn't going to come to your aid when the fan gets dirty.
The BEST Explanation and breakdown I've seen!! 🤔👍👍👍
Wow, thanks! Please share!
Put a ram in there and the video would then be useless....
But hilux will tow more than these kids
I am tired of people calling these trucks utes. They are NOT utes.
Why not?
So you have told us fuck all. Cheers.
Well, told you fuck all.
He explained two numbers and math that most idiots don’t even consider or understand. I’m going to guess you’re one of them
very educational segment and well presented
Thanks Paul!
Toyota Hilux very strong pulling but handling at corner is bad