The Batman Script ...from 1982?!
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- The Man Who Knows Too Much About Batman, Ben Wan, continues his deep dive in the world of the Bat by regaling us with the knowledge of "The Batman" script from 1982 by Tom Mankiewicz, complete with fancasts on who could've brought the characters to life.
Episode Airdate: June 28, 2019
THE ROAD TO BATMAN (1989)
0:27 Michael Uslan's Return of The Batman (1975) script and What Little We Know of It
1:21 Tom Mankiewicz's The Batman (1982-1984) script
25:02 Fancast for Tom Mankiewicz's The Batman
30:07 Tim Burton and Julie Hickson's Batman Treatment (1985), 43 pages (not 80 as said in the episode)
35:55 Steve Englehart's Batman Treatments (1985)
42:47 Sam Hamm's Original Screenplay Drafts (1986-1988)
1:12:15 Fancast for Sam Hamm's Batman (1986) Draft, with Ben's INSANE alternate choice for Hamm's Bruce Wayne
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Thank you for mentioning Burton’s meeting with Alan Moore. With most of the reviews I’ve heard for this film people always act like he was hired to do this film and just wandered on set without doing a shred of research, which is such a slap in the face.
No problem. Ben is the man!
Tim Burton was a fan of The Killing Joke and Joel Schumacher was a fan of Batman: Year One.
I really like the batsuit. Especially the cowl, it looks classic.
I still want to see that Batman on screen. The most iconic Batman
That's actually a Drew Struzan poster Thought Factory released in 1977 that's unrelated to the screenplay. Here's a better look, including the Neal Adams panel at the bottom of the poster -- 13thdimension.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Struzan-Batman.jpg
@@kidzoki Sweet, I came here looking for where that artwork came from.
I like the '89 suit best!!!!! I like the fact they made it all black!!!!
@@timetravelerify same here
The connection goes back to the first live action Batman Lewis Wilson. His son Michael became a producer of the Bond movies.
Yep. We ended up covering this as the beginning of the many Bond-Batman connections in a Patreon ep earlier this year that we'll be releasing as a main episode later.
That's a real shock.
That's wild
I love the 89 movie as is, but some of these other versions do sound interesting. I love the history of screenplays, and how the final version comes to be. I found this utterly fascinating thank you very much
The 89 movie was my favorite, so as it's three sequels.
@@evanzaremba4722 I agree all four are fun and interesting
@@gregorykollarus8190 that's right.
Dude, I'm gonna be honest. I'm 25:00 in, and as he's reading the plot points I was running it through my head, but with everything being modern with a little bit darker elements and honestly, this would actually make a pretty good movie if they trimmed off some of the fat, and maybe even save Robins arch for the sequel, but have Bruce take him in at the end of the movie.
But it was actually pretty fun to listen to and would actually make a pretty good movie. Great video fellas!
your fan casting for the first script was so perfect.
Basically it was "Batman 1938-39" except with a twist. Its 1989 looking like 1939. The best 10 year wait ever!
I could have seen David Bowie play the Joker in 1982. The post Ziggie Stardust fanglore with that creepy look. Pre labyrinth performance and personality. Also Edwatd Haskins as Pinguin. Harvey Keitel as Rupert Thorne; Terri Garr as Silver St. Cloud; maybe beginning actor William Dafoe as Joe Chill; maybe even Kirk Douglas as Rupert Thorne; Kyle Machalahan pre Dune as Batman(?); The late Robert Duncan(Dune/Secret of My Success) as Commission Gordon or Harvey Dent. That's my take early 80s serious film.
Per Adam West, ironically it was an American actor who first played Bond. Barry Nelson in a 1954 live tv adaptation of Casino Royale. Same as like what happened with another iconic Brit character; Sherlock Holmes, 1st played - practically co-creating Holmes with Doyle as we've always seen him - by American stage actor William Gillette in 1899, and doing it for the next couple of decades. It's almost as if historically the UK needed affirmation for their great creations from the States before they recognized the cinematic bankability, and then go on to reclaim them.
In The Batman (1982) script, Bowie was mostly considered
Bowie? Had to be for the joker
@@cliffhanger7153 yeah he was
There is a Batman encyclopedia that covers Batman until 1970. Bruce was actively training to be a hero.
There were even stories where he wore a Robin type costume.
But he did stuff like learn to fight in boxing and judo and learn criminology.
Sorry for the know it all stuff.
I'm surprised this didn't happen back in the early 80s, those Superman movies kept getting dumber and dumber. It would have been rather interesting.
Prolly didn't get made cuz superman 3 tanked
Mank (82-84) Fancast:
Penguin: *Bob Hoskins* (fresh off _The Long Good Friday_ )
Joker:
1) *Jack Nicholson*
2) *Christopher Walken*
3) *David Bowie*
in 1982 would've been the perfect evolution for post _Shining_ Nicholson when he was younger & still menacing. _Dead Zone_ era Walken would've nailed it. Bowie (fresh off _The Hunger_ and _Merry Christmas, Mr Lawrence_ ) would've been a great Joker in '82 & especially 1989.
Jim Gordon: *Paul Newman*
Alfred:
1) *Patrick McGoohan*
2) *Peter O'Toole*
Batman: _absolutely_ *Mel Gibson* (I think we can all agree he can do "unstable hero"). *James Brolin* would've nailed it with his proto-Bale looks in the '70s.
And..
Scarecrow: *Anthony Perkins*
Riddler: *Malcolm McDowell* or *Richard O'Brien*
Mr Freeze: *Stephen Berkoff* or *Rutger Hauer*
Catwoman: *Nastassjia Kinski*
Two-Face: *William Hurt*
I actually revised my cast for the Mank script to have Hoskins as Penguin instead in the next episode when we talked Batman Returns: ua-cam.com/video/tV2tnho2t5I/v-deo.html
That 82 script is fantastic
So glad I found this. I found you guys because someone posted one of your episodes on a comic book shop and swap group on Facebook. Sam Hamms draft of the movie would have been so much better. In retrospect, 89 doesn’t have a lot of characterization. And Hamms script does. Oh what could have been.
Thanks, Jose! We replied to this in our latest episode: ua-cam.com/video/nFH7uklCHmM/v-deo.html
Man, that Tom Mankiewicz version had me absolutely encapsulated right up until you got to the pencil sharpener. It was maybe a little rocky here and there, had some definite kinks to iron out, but for the most part that sounds like the Batman movie I’ve wanted to see forever and still want to see. I don’t think I ever heard of that version, certainly didn’t know one of the true geniuses behind Superman ‘78 was involved in early Batman scripts. If they gave him the iconic 1970s batsuit like in the artwork above, a Robin that’s not 30 years old, maybe cast Clint Eastwood (or an unknown) as Batman, and refined that script just a bit that would’ve been the PERFECT Batman movie. I’d also be so curious to see the Steve Englehart script since he had one of the best runs on Batman ever. Thanks for bringing this all to me attention!
We responded to your comment at the end of our latest episode!
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Did you say unknown? I would love the idea of an unknown as Batman/Bruce Wayne.
@@evanzaremba4722 it’s how we got Christopher Reeve
@@bradenhogan2 in the role of Superman? Yes. The same with Brandon Routh. Both Val Kilmer and Christian Bale are the best Batmen. Lynda Carter is a great Wonder Woman.
@@evanzaremba4722 Adam West is the best Batman for me. Nobody admits it or gives him credit for it but he’s the most “comics accurate” version of Batman to ever have existed if you don’t judge him by comics published after he left the role
The Baldwin rumors could have come from him being in Beetlejuice, since Burton does re-use actors from time to time.
I really like the young Jack Napier killing Thomas and Martha Wayne. It really makes clear that he is a remorseless and sadistic murderer who kills for a good laugh. And by the way it really is in character for the Joker in the comics for doing something like that. My take on this change is when they decided to cut Robin from the movie, they merged the Robin story with the overall Batman arc. It was not Sam Hamms idea, but the brainchild of the scriptdoctor Warren Skareen, whom also had worked on Top Gun that starred Tom Cruise as the leading man. Oh, and it most certainly is Joe Chill that is Jacks partner in the attempted robbery of the Waynes, because I do not believe good old Bob would have looked so stunned in that moment .
Tim Burton came up with the idea of The Joker killing Bruce Wayne's parents for the 89 movie and his friend Joel Schumacher came up with the idea of Two-Face killing Dick Grayson's family for Batman Forever, and they made them responsible for Batman & Robin.
Fuck that Sam Hamm script was amazing. That could have been legit one of the best Batman movies ever. The actual 89 movie is whack. In the Sam Hamm script we get a movie that actually focuses on Bruce Wayne, it gives Bruce an arc, He doesn't kill, Joker is cool, no stupid Joker killing the Waynes, and they organically weave Robin into it. Fuck! why couldn't they have made this.
Agreed. However, I prefer Robin to appear in the next or the third ond.
@@BOND19951 I hope Robin's origin is in "The Batman" 2
I'm in the small minority with you about that 89 movie!
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Great video!
I once came up with an idea for a Batman tv series, where Bruce Wayne is 17 1/2 years old when he becomes Batman, and later takes back Wayne enterprise's when he turns 18. He would lose his parents when he's 8 and eventually travel the globe and would get into martial arts, he would then catch the interest of Lady Shiva, who would train him more and Bruce would be inspired to be a symbol of justice after seeing all the crime and poverty in India (or another eastern country) which mirrors Gothams issues, he finds a cave of bats which scares some of the locals, including some gangsters, which gives him the idea to use the symbol of a bat. He would return to Gotham at 17, and gets to work with Alfred on the cave, the first suit, and the gadgets. Afterwards, Bruce throw a party for his return, inviting the most well known people in Gotham and his old friends, Harvey Dent and Selina Kyle (In this version, Selina would meet Bruce as kids, with her mother being a gardener for the Wayne's). After the party Batman would stop a robbery taking place at Mayor Hill's office, he would stop the men and finds some file's, stolen by Catwoman. Batman chases her and she and him banter before she gets away as the cops try to stop Batman. The series would have Harvey (who would be a few years older than Bruce) run for mayor against Hill, who's running for a second term. Jim Gordon would be chasing Batman with the cops, thinking if he's a menace to society, eventually (of course) becoming allies with him. Bruce would get into different romances with characters like Silver St. Cloud, Summer Gleason (who would be a news journalist on social media), Selina Kyle, ect. And of course, Most of Batman's foes would show up, with a few showing up at first like Carmine Falcone and Rupert Thorne, and later characters like Killer Croc, Poison Ivy, Fire Fly, Calendar Man, and eventually to bigger villains like Scarecrow, Joker and Ra's al Gul. It would be a series, so that many characters and stories would be warranted. Let me know what you guys think!
There was an attempt to do a show starting with Bruce Wayne turning 18 and becoming Batman (though it wouldn't have been until the end, like in Gotham). You can check out our dive into that here: ua-cam.com/video/cqTNhaP2hwA/v-deo.html
@@SuperHousePodcast Ah, I see. Thanks!
Director Richard Donner brought his friend Tom Mankowitz on to Superman 1 & 2 to which Mank did a page one rewrite of the entire two movie script. Sadly, the WGA gave writing credit to Mario Puzo & David Newman because they were Oscar winning writers (Puzo / The Godfather & David Newman / Bonnie & Clyde) and they fought through arbitration to get story and script credit. Donner was so pissed off that Mank got screwed that he came up with a screen credit for his friend that was never used before (I think it was Creative Consultant). So, don't be fooled by screen credits. You will be surprised to find out that just because a writer is credited for writing a film, doesn't mean he actually wrote it!!
"I saved the last dance for you" is genius, I can't believe they cut that. smh
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The ginger ale thing is from the Comics
The connection to Alan Moore was actually Terry Gilliam who wrote some lines for the movie. Also believe it or not, Taxi Driver was an influence on Batman 89. Travis Bickle/Bruce Wayne Vigilante, Cybill Shepard/Kim Basinger & Albert Brooks/Robert Wuhl relationship working together, maybe that's why they had Robert De Niro in Joker many years later.
Hi guys... I've just stumbled across your channel recently and so mad at myself that I didn't find you Earlier.!! Like you all I'm a massive Batman fan. I love these videos I'm going g back and trying to watch them all.
Peace and Love from the U.K... Keep these videos and Content coming. P.S watched your Batman Kenner toys videos over the weekend and it's great. I have a huge collection of Batman toys. You have new hard-core fan here..!!
Alec Baldwin as Batman and Brad Dourif as the Joker.
I thought it was supposed to be Bill Murry
I thought Eddie Murphy was going to be
Robin
You're right
About that too😉
@@michaelblaine6494 who’s right
Ice cream truck? So Billy Kincaid killed the Waynes??
Looks like I'm not the only one who is aware of Spawn
I can't believe I'd never heard of this script before. Also, it's so cool to find comic book UA-camrs that know a lot of cool facts but aren't super gate-keepy about it.
The imposter Batman reminds me of season three of the Daredevil netflix show.
It's pretty easy to find online you should check it out
The Mankiewicz script definitely started out promising up until they shoehorned Robin and Penguin into it. Like seriously, why would they need to be there? It just feels forced.
It was a first draft
I would have loved Pierce Brosnan as Batman, Michael J. Fox or Ralph Macchio as Robin, David Bowie as the Joker, David Niven as Alfred, William Holden as Commissioner Gordon, Melanie Griffith as Silver St.Cloud, Peter O'Toole or John Candy as the Penguin.
I heard william holden and david niven for the very very early casting but they both died
A bit late to the show, but great work guys. Your commentaries have been keeping me alive while I work from home.
I figured I'd have some fun and fan cast:
Bruce Wayne/Batman: Michael Biehn -- best known for The Terminator, Aliens, and Tombstone. Had the good looks, not too imposing but in shape build, and could play dark, unhinged characters (His PTSD portrayal as Reese in Terminator) and wasn't too big a name. I also read an article where he stated he was approached about the role. I originally went with Kurt Russell. He would've been 37 at the time of filming (I know in the script Bruce is 32), but it's not that big an age gape. He had the good looks, jaw, and obviously his turns in Escape From New York and The Thing come off very Batman-esque.
The Joker: Tim Curry. This was tough. Thought about Dafoe, Woods, even Clancy Brown (see his perfomance as the Kurgan in Highlander, very punk anarchist type Joker), but Curry had a sort of boyish, feminine look in his youth (see Rocky Horror), and that evil grin. Funny he didn't get the role in TAS because he was "too evil" according to Bruce Timm and company. And I didn't consider him because of IT, more a combo of his performances in Rocky Horror, Legend, and Clue.
Vicki Vale: Kim Cattrall
Alfred: I actually like your pick of Patrick Stewart (he doesn't get to do much in the script, though I like his scene where he pulls a gun on Dick Grayson because he thinks he's attacking Bruce). Maybe Hamm would've expanded the role a bit.
Com. Gordon: James Coburn
Alexander Knox: Michael Madsen. I can see him as a hardboiled Bogart-esque reporter, but with similar looks to Bruce.
Harvey Dent: Raul Julia. A bit out of left field, but he could definitely pulled off a suave, charming handsome Harvey.
Carl Grissom: Lawrence Tierney (Joe "You're not Mr Purple, you're Mr. Pink" Cabot from Reservoir Dogs).
Director: John Carpenter or John McTiernan. Honestly, not hiring Burton would've been better off in the long run. You'd still have Anton Furst's art direction so the visual look would remain.
Two points though: I would've cut Robin out, because he comes in too late into the narrative. Have Vicki pick up a gun after the Batwing crashes and go after Joker in the cathedral (right after she's lost Knox, maybe have her flashback to Corto Maltese and it pushes her over the edge).
Don't have Joker unmask Bruce, and then die. I know the filmmakers weren't sure if they'd get a sequel, but Batman doesn't kill (despite how many times the movies get it wrong). Just have Vicki go into the Cathedral, Joker gets the drop on her, Batman goes in, barely able to fight, big Mexican stand off, and Batman manages to get the bats to swarm on Joker (ala Year One).
Tim Curry TAS? What is TAS?
@@conalcochranh3274 The Animated Series as in Batman The Animated Series
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@@SuperHousePodcast Thanks, I was a tad confused about what TAS meant. Cool channel, I think I'll subscribe.
Shot in the revolving door and shot was a trope also used in the original Watchmen.
Have you guys done a review of Sam Hamm's Batman II script yet?
Yep, along with Daniel Waters's original draft, featuring Robin, here: ua-cam.com/video/FCenrOsqkVg/v-deo.html
I would've really liked to have seen this movie.
They could make it an animated movie for HBO+.
These topics are always great to make time go by while waiting in line.
My cast for Batman 1982:
Thomas Wayne - Burt Lancaster
Jim Gordon - Tom Skeritt
Alfred Pennyworth - Sean Connery
Rupert Thorne - Ronny Cox
Silver St. Cloud - Rachel Ward
Robin - Jason Bateman
The Penguin - Malcolm McDowell
The Joker - Peter O'Toole
Kent the Reporter - Christopher Reeve
Batman - Timothy Dalton
In a MCU twist this would setup Superman III but a completely different one then the one we got so Clark Kent has a step above a cameo but not much
Never heard of this script but it sounds insane and I would have loved it as a kid. Also, and I’m sure someone already beat me to it at this point, but the Thomas Wayne in a bat suit comes from 1956’s Detective Comics #235 and then retold in 1980’s The Untold Legend of the Batman.
I love the last script you talked about and agree with all of your casting except Batman. The crazy guy I would want casted for him is Charlie Sheen.
Bob Hoskins had just made long good Friday in 82.
I'd have him as penguin...
I actually revised my cast to have Hoskins as Penguin instead in the next episode when we talked Batman Returns: ua-cam.com/video/tV2tnho2t5I/v-deo.html
After everything I've heard so far, including the fan casting I have my own fan casting that I think would be great. Though I was originally going to say Richard Gere to play Batman, but your argument from Mel Gibson is so much better.
I would have cast Bob Hoskins as the Penguin, and Tom Atkins as Commissioner Gordon. As for Rupert Thorne, I wouldn't go with a large actor, I would just go with James Coburn, and I'd keep the rest of the fan casting the way you guys said.
How about Harrison Ford as Batman?
in another parallel universe.....I could see this was made
The original script for 89 if done around 87,fan casting, mel gibson, joker- ray liotta alfred- sean connery, vicki vale katheleen turner, knox- james woods gordon- larry hagman
Ray Liotta was offered both the role of Batman and Dent for 1989
I've read that in fan circles, but I haven't found any record of Liotta himself talking about Dent, only Batman. And a separate interview with Sam Hamm in having him in mind when writing Joker.
Mankiewicz's script starts out good with Joe Chill but then into the 60s show. Making public appearances & climax involving oversized props. Mankiewicz even said that Tim Burton made a darker film than he envisioned.
Tim Burton wanted John Glover for the Joker. I think that would have been excellent casting. Slender with gaunt facial features, a big smile, and is an extremely underrated actor who can do crazy perfectly.
"I saved the last dance for you" made into the tie-in comic.
Some of the unused scenes did end up getting filmed. Instead of the lady Liberty statue, Joker replaces the James T Gotham statue with one of himself (before that gets toppled at the end). Also not a deleted scene per say, but the time bomb gadget was built as a physical prop
Loved this
I like Keaton's Bruce Wayne and how hes more mysterious and eccentric with a decent sense of humor in the movie version.
Bruce Lee and the green hornet teamed up with Adam west Batman
Indeed. We went into it a little bit in our coverage of this year's Batman: Soul of the Dragon: ua-cam.com/video/UDGPsYM0sBk/v-deo.html
Love the show! You guys really know your stuff but you aren’t dicks about it. It’s very refreshing
1:18:30 - It's funny because in 2016 Payne starred as Jack The Ripper/ Joker in a Gotham By Gaslight fan movie. It's called Ripper and it's amazing.
guy listening enthusiastically: uh huh, ok, right (repeat for 2 hours)
The part with Alexander Knox being under Batman's cape was in the BATMAN comic adaptation of the movie.
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Keenon Ivory Wayans was cast as Robin for Batman 1989. He was paid up front before Robin was cut.
Think you meant Marlon Wayans and it was for Batman Returns: batman-news.com/2018/03/05/marlon-wayans-robin-batman-returns-cut/
Where did you find that Batman image?
Now the whole Batman on a horse thing in the deleted scene makes sense.
Just got to the part where he confronts Joe Chill, damn its real good!
I look for this image from TUMB above, with quality. Can you help me find it?
Sounds like it would have made an interesting and entertaining live-action incarnation, but Joe Chill having a heart attack at the site of adult Bruce was a rather convenient deus ex machina.
Drinking game: Take a shot every time home boy says "& Everything"
Never knew about this! So Joker involved in the Wayne's death had nothing to do with Burton? Very interesting. The Wayne's death in this also screamed 'Joker' (2019) to me! Where the Joker is already fully formed while Bruce is still a child and inadvertently through Joker's actions the Wayne's get killed!
And an imposter Batman set up for murder, sounds like The Penguin's plot from Batman Returns. I also see shades of Forever. Robin sounds like Miller's from The Dark Knight Returns. No mention of Marlon Wayans Robin? Most of the beats, like tank shooting the Batwing I can forgive excluding but what I really missed in the 1989 movie was the friendship between Gordon and Batman, and Alfred and Bruce, THAT would make BM89 the best.
Brilliant stuff!
PS The uproduced Darkknight script sounds great! And Basically any uproduced stuff keep it coming!
IF Nolan had never read this script or knew of these particular ideas like e.g. the Batmobile racing along rooftops, if that was a pure coincidence that Nolan did that in his Batman Begins movie, that is to be commended still.
Christopher Reeve as Batman?! Peter too
Thanks for the comment! Btw, no one said Christopher Reeve should play Batman. They said they were looking for an unknown LIKE Christopher Reeve was back when they were casting Superman.
@@SuperHousePodcast oh ok
@@SuperHousePodcast interesting thanks for the tidbit
A very interesting draft here, sounds alot better than the actual movie lol
@Brandon Brooks well in most ways, certain characters seem better written than what we got in the film, i love the movie, its really good
@Brandon Brooks fair enough , i love the part where batman is on a horse , i thought that would have made it in, haha , but the whole vicky vale and joker stuff is very interesting
you forgot ...BURT WARD was a Martial artist, so Martial arts was in the 60's and Elvis did karate too in the 60's I think
The martial arts craze really started from GI's coming back from being stationed in japan post WW2.
Bruce Lee played Kato in the 60s Green Hornet series and made a guest appearance in the 60s Batman series.
Green hornet came out the same time as adam west batman so bruce lee was already making waves
That’s Like Clark Kent when he can’t change
IT SHOULD MADE A MOVIE
I think I has a t-shirt with that image back in 1980 😳
In 1985, the classic Super Powers episode "The Fear" featured Bruce Wayne talking excitedly to his parents about the Robin Hood movie before their evening was interrupted. They even emphasize that Robin Hood made an impression on Batman when Thomas Wayne asks his thoughts and Bruce Wayne says, "That Robin Hood was really something else!"
Here's a clip: ua-cam.com/video/MdeOBa-YyRs/v-deo.html
Tom Cruise as Batman would be an abomination. Willem Dafoe would probably be a great joker. Maybe if they ever make a Dark Knight Returns…
Mel Gibson as Batman in circa 1983 is pretty cool.
Scarecrow in begins
9:00 thats wrong, Bruce Lee was already a Phenomenon by this point and although martial arts influence arguably became more ingrained over time it was certainly part of the zeitgeist by then.
Zorro has always been the movie the Wayne’s went to see the night they’re murdered. There were tons of old Zorro films back in the day that inspired Bob Kane & Bill finger to create Batman and they even added that into their story as a the inspiration to vigilantism for Bruce. Batman was always inspired by both Zorro and The Shadow.
Kane and Finger were certainly partially inspired by Zorro, but they weren't the ones who wrote the Waynes watching a Zorro movie before they were murdered.
A specific movie, Zorro or otherwise, is never mentioned in Detective Comics #33 where they first did the origin or Batman #47 that introduced Joe Chill or Detective Comics No. 235 that brought in Lew Moxon or Detective Comics No. 457 that introduced Leslie Thompkins or The Untold Legend of the Batman retelling. Detective Comics No. 500 in 1981 has the Waynes talking about how Marlon Brando was like in the movie they watched and Brando was never part of a Zorro film.
The earliest instance of The Mark of Zorro being the movie they watched before their deaths is The Dark Knight Returns.
www.cbr.com/batman-mark-of-zorro-origin/
Laurence Olivier as Alfred
For Me Bob Hoskins from 1980 onwards until he died was perfect for every incarnation of the Penguin bar Burtons Returns. Seriously go look at concept art or certain comic iterations of the character,Bob would have owned it. Really thought Nolans universe would have found a role for him throughout that trilogyy,kinda like how he used Scarecrow in all 3.
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I want to read this so bad!
Robin Williams auditioned for the Joker, & Mel Gibson as well Pierce Brosnan were choices for Batman 1989
Great coverage, really could stand to not have a commercial interrupt every 30 seconds. I get advertising is you’re money maker but there’s a point where it just becomes obnoxious.
We have changed some settings. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
Interesting
I actually do have Steve Englehart’s two treatments, I’ll send it to you if it helps. I did read the first treatment, interesting, but haven’t finished reading the second, though parts of it, I thought it was good enough for a Batman feature film itself. Mankiewicz is good but meh, he’s a good writer and director (no doubt about that) but the way he does on Batman does not go well IMO.
That would be amazing! Please send to superhousepodcast@gmail.com and we'll take a look and do an episode later this year, once we're done with our deep dives into the Snyderverse.
It's funny in the Sean Hamm draft they straight rip off the Superman/Lois interview scene from the Reeves movie with Vale and Batman.
say bro i been writtin a fan made script of my version batman but its not conncected to the dc universe its my own universe it's title "BATMAN THE DARKNESS NIGHT" n yes batman is african american and the main villains in the movie are kelin wayne the black knight (batman), keyana evans -shadow kat(catwoman) , joshua king smith me as wild card (joker), and tori lynn (manniquin) - harley quinn and its base off new orleans since new orleans,louisiana color is black n gold like the original bat symbol logo n the movie starts in 1981 but will later jump to 2005 after the hurricane katrina event not to give to much out but i been workin on 2 different drafts n finally makin a 3rd finished draft the film is dark,gritty,gothic, but more important realistic, detective and a origin i should be finished by april and if yall wanna read it i can send yall the draft on how it look cause the way yall read the scrapped drafts of batman films it gave me better ideas for my version love yall work
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Very different, I like it!
@@Xander_P.G.K thanks im still writtin on it makin sure everything is right since it's 3 hours long im at act 2 now where it should be easy to write
How are you writing a script, when you can barely coherently write a paragraph?
@@1SpicyMeataball there can be a difference on how you write a screenplay and a UA-cam comment. Plus writer's go through drafts, so they don't always have to be perfect with grammar and structure, because they'll keep writing a better version each time.
Ki. Basinger Brando Retired in the 90’s
Kurt Russell as Batman David Bowie as Joker
I'm trying to find an actor to play Bruce Wayne and Batman effectively..
Adams Baldwin could do it.
Joker: Jerry Reed could do it. He looked as physically like Joker as possible. Look at his performance in Gator as "Bama MaCall". You see an effective villain who could be insane and funny.
Penguin: Paul Williams, watch him in Phantom of The Paradise.
Rupert Throne: John Candy would need some make up to look older. But if you watch SCTV, he could do anything.
Robin I'm unsure of, because you need an athletic kid who looks like he can fight. Maybe you could get s uoung Zabbka and dye his hair.
If a film was made beyween 82/83.
Batman/Bruce Wayne= Mel Gibson
Alfred=Peter O'Toole
Com. Gordon=Lee Van Cleef
Robin= C. Thomas Howell/Michael J. Fox
Joker=David Bowie
Penguin=Bob Hoskins
Rupert Thorn= Robert Mitchum
Sylva St Cloud=Tanya Roberts
This script is interesting, but I think there is just far too much cramped into this screenplay. Unless this was going to be a 3 hour + "Godfather" epic, I don't see this getting made back in the 1980's. Also, the tone of this move seems off, was it going to be campy or taken seriously? I think, in some miracle, the first Tim Burton movie nailed the quirky and fantastical elements of the comics.
If they did an origin story bk in 1989 like they did with Begins..
Batman/Bruce Wayne= Charlie Sheen without a Fucking Doubt!!!
Funny watching this video now cause I wrote a pretty good script in my opinion about Batman doubt it’ll ever get made into a movie tho
If a ninja star cut across an artery you'd bleed out. But if it hit you in most other parts of your body it would more than likely just fall out.
The Burton treatment sounds interesting to me. And he WAS referencing the comics - as you said, the comics from the 50’s did include Thomas Wayne dressing as Batman. What’s so laughable about that? It sounds alright to me....?
Kinda looks like Batman is wearing leather bellbottoms here..
@The Comefort Zone you are telling me they are not actually bellbottoms??? /gasp /shock /awe
where can i find the pictures of the set with the joker statue? I would love to see these!!
Enjoy! www.1989batman.com/2013/04/production-materials-pinewood-studios.html
Batman was based off of zorro
Finger and Kane took way more from The Shadow and other pulp comics, as covered here: ua-cam.com/video/Mdapevnro74/v-deo.html
This movie would've been a disaster. Origin story, Chill, Joker, Penguin, Robin all in one movie? This is tooooo much.
Like two face with the coins 🪙 in part 3
perfect casting the, Mel Gibson as Bruce Wayne, handsome debonair
Enough of the ads awready! (Not your fault, guys!)
Where is that thumbnail from? I've seen that piece before. A very, very long time ago and it's driving me nuts.
Its from a comic book someone linked it somewhere in the comments