I feel like we wanted something like 6.5 Grendel. Which has more range and power while not having much extra weight and recoil. But army for some reason wanted something that was too big. Lol most people think 556 is a little too small but those people would probably agree 6.8 x51 is too big, might as well just readopted the m14 with new barrels😂
@@themorningstar4512 they could of gotten so many other options. 6.5 Grendel is half the weight of 7.62 x51 and basically has the same amount of range. Some people say well low recoil in full auto for 556. When I was in the army they never allowed us To shoot the m4 in full auto. 5.56 is good for 300 meters and less, but anymore and your basically shooting a 22lr with a jacketed bullet.
@@residenthooker2498 If the 5.56 m4 is so flawed and anemic that they have to bring in "dmr's" to make up for the m4's weaknesses, then they need a new caliber for the m4, NOT a "dmr" or "battle rifle". The 224 valkyrie is what the 77 grain "mk262" wanted to be but failed. The 6.5 grendel using a 140 grain projectile and sigs hybrid cased technology and 30 round mags for the m4, would have been far more practical and efficient. It would be the same rifle but just improved. It appears as if someone is purposely TRYING to sabotage our military. 5.56 and 7 62 nato are obsolete end of story, but swapping everything out for an old obsolete "battle rifle" is just plain stupid.
@@themorningstar4512 I don’t consider 6.5 Grendel a battle rifle cartridge with low recoil.It’s a short light weight cartridge and you could get it in 100 grain projectiles. But a 224 Valkyrie would be a better choice too. I just think our rifle cartridge should just be a tiny bit bigger. Because you gain more than just power you gain accuracy with the ability to buck the wind and low bullet drop. But I think 556 wouldn’t be a bad choice if they just didn’t make it where pretty much everyone had it except the m240 gunner. How is anyone gonna do anything past 400 meters if the 240 gunner goes down, and they can’t recover it.
@@residenthooker2498 I wholeheartedly agree, just imagine if they took sigs hybrid cased tech and used 140 grain rounds and combined them in the 6.5 grendel! It would replace not only that 5.56 nato garbage, but it would also outperform the 7.62 nato in terms of controllability, capacity, weight and better for general purpose usage. The 5 56 and 7.52 nato where mistakes from the very beginning, they should have chosen the 280 British.
I acknowledge the problems with the round and the gun, but come on, don't diss the Vortex scope as well. It would pretty much give the soldier a lot of benefits in terms of accuracy due to the ballistic calculator. It's all a matter of composite materials and other stuff.
Rangefinding and ballistic calculating is obviously a good advantage. I just think there is a tendency to try to throw technology and money at things before we figure out if we really need something or not. All sorts of failed military programs come to mind like the XM25 grenade launcher( also has integral rangefinder) that was not practical and was also intended to provide more lethality and accuracy. I'm not the sort of person to just react to new technology and say, "we don't need that!" I just think the with the way the military industrial complex works, we end up with a lot interesting concepts that ultimately aren't always practical.
Need to figure out how to boost 5.56 and 7.62x51 power with improved powder and got to figure out how to jam a steel core through level 4 AP armor at range.
That's a tough one to figure out. I think if you managed to increase the pressure of .308 enough to make steel core rounds penetrate at range, you'd basically have to design new weapons (and probably a "new" .308 case to take the significantly higher pressure. If it takes .300 win mag velocities to get steel core .30-06 M2AP to penetrate level 4 armor, it would logically take a very hot .300 win mag load or a step up in cartridge to make a steel core .30 cal projectile penetrate out at range. I'm not saying it can't be done, but I think you'd have to have a compressed load and very thick cartridge wall (probably steel )to have any chance of success. There are people that would probably be able to answer this question better, but I tried.
I think the more frustrating part of the equation is that body armor will continue too evolve, getting better and cheaper as more plastic technology advances.
@@infogunvault6920 Your thinking with all the current tech, technology always evolves. New manufacturing processes, new high strength brass, new metallurgy, new alloys, new engineering at the atomic level. My point is the shape and size of 5.56 and 308 cannot be beat, they are perfect sizes for their use, one for repeat fire one for long range. think a strengthened barrel, bolt carrier group, spring, cases and rifle with atoms lined up perfectly at the atomic level, now include high powered cordite. You now have a armor piecing round and rifle firing "magnum dynamite." All while keeping the perfectly light and balanced M-16, M-4, AR-10 and Ar-15. This technology is not far off and is way better than the new rifle and cartridge. Ceramic and Kevlar Level 4+ AP armor just keeps getting better and better. Btw your very good at thinking all around your video content and comments show it. Thing is I know about everything before it existed (Original angel/void state soul). My soul mates and me flew through the non-existence before anything existed. Its all clear out there, like air (Outside the games called life and universes). I've been mindwiped and I'm semi normal, laughing how every one thinks their going to beat the grand architect of reality at the game called life. There is only one winner. Everything including life is math, you can only do one thing, even with time travel it does not change your original action. We always knew the future. Its a blast, evil loses. Perfection wins and everyone gets to share the win no more mind wipes before birth, no more mind wipes after super solider time travel wars are over.
@@infogunvault6920 you don't remember before your born do you? no one does. Memories erased. That is a mind wipe. Evil did that because some people would not exist until they got their way thinking they could overpower their creators. "semi- normal" I cannot access all my powers now. I just have to wait then I will be limitless, I choose to be semi-normal because again some people would not want to exist if I had all my powers and was invincible. Every one possible has to exist for everything to be complete.
Your point about investing in mining and back end logistics is going to be over everyoness head. As a mining investor....its a terrible business. Very capital intensive, things always go wrong etc. Wars are won by outproducing the enemy, not with marginal improvements in the basic weapon
Totally agree about outproducing the enemy. Unfortunately our leadership seems unwilling to put us in a good position for this. The desire for more globalism has undermined American steel manufacturing , and weakened us strategically. I'm going to be honest and say I know absolutely about investing. Out of curiosity, what is a good investment?
@@infogunvault6920 its the rhythmic up and down tones in the sentence like a newsreader, it sounds like you're just reading a page of text rather than talking to someone
I disagree, the dmr concept really is obsolete thanks to sigs hybrid cased tech and improved intermediate rounds like 6.5 grendel or 6.8 spc 2. I think 5.55 and 7.62 nato have outlived their usefulness, 224 valkyrie is supersonic out past 1,000 yards, and can use up to 100 grain projectiles.
@@es4583 but why do that when you can go with something better like 6 5 grendel, 7.62x39 or 6mm arc, using that tech. In fact why even bother using a hybrid steel brass case, when you can just use an all stainless steel case and bump up its pressures to 80,000 psi. China uses all steel cased ammo and it's said that they did something similar with the new varient of their service round which they use in EVERYTHING including their sniper rifles and machine guns.
@@es4583 as we saw from Ian's video on the ngsw it's not the bolt but the barrel that has to be made thicker, and maybe not even thicker it just has to be heat treated to be strong enough to handle long period usage at 80,000 psi. 5.56 just isn't a viable general purpose round unless they could use longer heavier bullets going at the same speeds. 6mm arc and 6 5 grendel going at 3000 fps out of a sig mcx would outperform both 556 and 7 62 nato for general usage.
@@es4583 I understand what your saying, buy the point that I'M trying to drive home is that no matter what, the dmr and battle rifle's are obsolete and have NO PLACE in the modern battle field, if 5.56 is so anemic that they have to bring in "dmr's to compensate for its shortcomings then we need a new intermediate caliber, NOT "dmr's". I'm genuinely conserned about how this is going backwards in time and that our troops might be outgunned by iur enemies who ARE using a hotter intermediate round the 5.8x42mm, which has a longer, heavier 71 grain projectile going around 3000 fps. Its similar in construction to the 5.45 round but bigger. I just hope our troops have the advantage ove our adversaries.
@@es4583 I want to see at least a 120 grain projectile going around 3000 fps from short barrels while still having light recoil and 30 round mags, then we wouldn't need 5.56 or 7.62 nato anymore. Remember, the goal is to be SUPERIOR to our adversaries, not equal.
Good video with reasonable takes.
I feel like we wanted something like 6.5 Grendel. Which has more range and power while not having much extra weight and recoil. But army for some reason wanted something that was too big. Lol most people think 556 is a little too small but those people would probably agree 6.8 x51 is too big, might as well just readopted the m14 with new barrels😂
I agree 556 sucks but so does the sig spear and its caliber.
@@themorningstar4512 they could of gotten so many other options. 6.5 Grendel is half the weight of 7.62 x51 and basically has the same amount of range. Some people say well low recoil in full auto for 556. When I was in the army they never allowed us To shoot the m4 in full auto. 5.56 is good for 300 meters and less, but anymore and your basically shooting a 22lr with a jacketed bullet.
@@residenthooker2498 If the 5.56 m4 is so flawed and anemic that they have to bring in "dmr's" to make up for the m4's weaknesses, then they need a new caliber for the m4, NOT a "dmr" or "battle rifle". The 224 valkyrie is what the 77 grain "mk262" wanted to be but failed. The 6.5 grendel using a 140 grain projectile and sigs hybrid cased technology and 30 round mags for the m4, would have been far more practical and efficient. It would be the same rifle but just improved. It appears as if someone is purposely TRYING to sabotage our military. 5.56 and 7 62 nato are obsolete end of story, but swapping everything out for an old obsolete "battle rifle" is just plain stupid.
@@themorningstar4512 I don’t consider 6.5 Grendel a battle rifle cartridge with low recoil.It’s a short light weight cartridge and you could get it in 100 grain projectiles. But a 224 Valkyrie would be a better choice too. I just think our rifle cartridge should just be a tiny bit bigger. Because you gain more than just power you gain accuracy with the ability to buck the wind and low bullet drop. But I think 556 wouldn’t be a bad choice if they just didn’t make it where pretty much everyone had it except the m240 gunner. How is anyone gonna do anything past 400 meters if the 240 gunner goes down, and they can’t recover it.
@@residenthooker2498 I wholeheartedly agree, just imagine if they took sigs hybrid cased tech and used 140 grain rounds and combined them in the 6.5 grendel! It would replace not only that 5.56 nato garbage, but it would also outperform the 7.62 nato in terms of controllability, capacity, weight and better for general purpose usage. The 5 56 and 7.52 nato where mistakes from the very beginning, they should have chosen the 280 British.
I acknowledge the problems with the round and the gun, but come on, don't diss the Vortex scope as well. It would pretty much give the soldier a lot of benefits in terms of accuracy due to the ballistic calculator. It's all a matter of composite materials and other stuff.
Rangefinding and ballistic calculating is obviously a good advantage. I just think there is a tendency to try to throw technology and money at things before we figure out if we really need something or not.
All sorts of failed military programs come to mind like the XM25 grenade launcher( also has integral rangefinder) that was not practical and was also intended to provide more lethality and accuracy.
I'm not the sort of person to just react to new technology and say, "we don't need that!"
I just think the with the way the military industrial complex works, we end up with a lot interesting concepts that ultimately aren't always practical.
Need to figure out how to boost 5.56 and 7.62x51 power with improved powder and got to figure out how to jam a steel core through level 4 AP armor at range.
That's a tough one to figure out.
I think if you managed to increase the pressure of .308 enough to make steel core rounds penetrate at range, you'd basically have to design new weapons (and probably a "new" .308 case to take the significantly higher pressure.
If it takes .300 win mag velocities to get steel core .30-06 M2AP to penetrate level 4 armor, it would logically take a very hot .300 win mag load or a step up in cartridge to make a steel core .30 cal projectile penetrate out at range.
I'm not saying it can't be done, but I think you'd have to have a compressed load and very thick cartridge wall (probably steel )to have any chance of success.
There are people that would probably be able to answer this question better, but I tried.
I think the more frustrating part of the equation is that body armor will continue too evolve, getting better and cheaper as more plastic technology advances.
@@infogunvault6920 Your thinking with all the current tech, technology always evolves. New manufacturing processes, new high strength brass, new metallurgy, new alloys, new engineering at the atomic level. My point is the shape and size of 5.56 and 308 cannot be beat, they are perfect sizes for their use, one for repeat fire one for long range. think a strengthened barrel, bolt carrier group, spring, cases and rifle with atoms lined up perfectly at the atomic level, now include high powered cordite. You now have a armor piecing round and rifle firing "magnum dynamite." All while keeping the perfectly light and balanced M-16, M-4, AR-10 and Ar-15. This technology is not far off and is way better than the new rifle and cartridge. Ceramic and Kevlar Level 4+ AP armor just keeps getting better and better. Btw your very good at thinking all around your video content and comments show it. Thing is I know about everything before it existed (Original angel/void state soul). My soul mates and me flew through the non-existence before anything existed. Its all clear out there, like air (Outside the games called life and universes). I've been mindwiped and I'm semi normal, laughing how every one thinks their going to beat the grand architect of reality at the game called life. There is only one winner. Everything including life is math, you can only do one thing, even with time travel it does not change your original action. We always knew the future. Its a blast, evil loses. Perfection wins and everyone gets to share the win no more mind wipes before birth, no more mind wipes after super solider time travel wars are over.
@@kofool888 You lost me a little bit there after you stopped talking about guns. What do you mean by "mind-wiped" and "semi-normal?"
@@infogunvault6920 you don't remember before your born do you? no one does. Memories erased. That is a mind wipe. Evil did that because some people would not exist until they got their way thinking they could overpower their creators. "semi- normal" I cannot access all my powers now. I just have to wait then I will be limitless, I choose to be semi-normal because again some people would not want to exist if I had all my powers and was invincible. Every one possible has to exist for everything to be complete.
Your point about investing in mining and back end logistics is going to be over everyoness head.
As a mining investor....its a terrible business. Very capital intensive, things always go wrong etc.
Wars are won by outproducing the enemy, not with marginal improvements in the basic weapon
Totally agree about outproducing the enemy.
Unfortunately our leadership seems unwilling to put us in a good position for this.
The desire for more globalism has undermined American steel manufacturing , and weakened us strategically.
I'm going to be honest and say I know absolutely about investing.
Out of curiosity, what is a good investment?
Your voice tone and low volume makes me to fall to sleep
You're not the first to mention that. Do you have any suggestions of how I should speak in a more exciting or engaging manner?
@@infogunvault6920 Have someone else read the text.
@@infogunvault6920 honestly i like it... I can concentrate and remember more when someone like you is narrating... Keep up the work
@@infogunvault6920 its the rhythmic up and down tones in the sentence like a newsreader, it sounds like you're just reading a page of text rather than talking to someone
I disagree, the dmr concept really is obsolete thanks to sigs hybrid cased tech and improved intermediate rounds like 6.5 grendel or 6.8 spc 2. I think 5.55 and 7.62 nato have outlived their usefulness, 224 valkyrie is supersonic out past 1,000 yards, and can use up to 100 grain projectiles.
@@es4583 but why do that when you can go with something better like 6 5 grendel, 7.62x39 or 6mm arc, using that tech. In fact why even bother using a hybrid steel brass case, when you can just use an all stainless steel case and bump up its pressures to 80,000 psi. China uses all steel cased ammo and it's said that they did something similar with the new varient of their service round which they use in EVERYTHING including their sniper rifles and machine guns.
@@es4583 as we saw from Ian's video on the ngsw it's not the bolt but the barrel that has to be made thicker, and maybe not even thicker it just has to be heat treated to be strong enough to handle long period usage at 80,000 psi. 5.56 just isn't a viable general purpose round unless they could use longer heavier bullets going at the same speeds. 6mm arc and 6 5 grendel going at 3000 fps out of a sig mcx would outperform both 556 and 7 62 nato for general usage.
@@es4583 I understand what your saying, buy the point that I'M trying to drive home is that no matter what, the dmr and battle rifle's are obsolete and have NO PLACE in the modern battle field, if 5.56 is so anemic that they have to bring in "dmr's to compensate for its shortcomings then we need a new intermediate caliber, NOT "dmr's". I'm genuinely conserned about how this is going backwards in time and that our troops might be outgunned by iur enemies who ARE using a hotter intermediate round the 5.8x42mm, which has a longer, heavier 71 grain projectile going around 3000 fps. Its similar in construction to the 5.45 round but bigger. I just hope our troops have the advantage ove our adversaries.
@@es4583 I want to see at least a 120 grain projectile going around 3000 fps from short barrels while still having light recoil and 30 round mags, then we wouldn't need 5.56 or 7.62 nato anymore. Remember, the goal is to be SUPERIOR to our adversaries, not equal.
@@themorningstar4512
What duty positions do you fill in the military?