Eli, I think your results would tighten up significantly if you would do the 10 warmer shots followed immediately by the 5 shot groups. No talking, no intro...no nada, just do the groups ASAP after the warmers. I believe that a minimum amount of heat has to be in the barrel for best groups. I've seen this over and over again here at home when I would pause for a few minutes and reset the chrono & re-set the tuner and watch the next series start off like a cold barrel shot & walk into the spot. Between say ... Eley Tenex & Eley Match following each other, I use one wet .17 cal. mop with Hoppes and follow with 2 dry patches (the smaller mop doesn't scrub, it wets & wipes clean pulling excess lube and powder ash from the lands and grooves). The barrel will re-season & settle down within 10 shots. Tenex is lubed with bees wax & paraffin and the Match is only paraffin lubed. You might think that's not a lot of difference in lubes but if I don't wet mop, it can take a full 20 ~ 25 shots to settle the barrel again. It's a good thing you and I don't live close or the wives would have a cat...we'd be on the range night & day! ;-) ... charlie
Flyers, they will drive you crazy! This had to be a long day for you. At least you were able to get your walking in for the day! Haha! Great video! Thanks!
If I had to guess what went wrong with this test. First would be the cheap stock that the quality action was in, you do not put a 1,000-dollar action in a 150-dollar stock. Second would be that you should have seasoned the barrel with at least 15 rounds before shooting the first groups. Third go directly to the 5-round group after shooting the 10-round group. Forth hold all comments until the seasoning rounds and 10 round and 5 round groups are completed. The way you did this test, you showed what a quality action will do with a cheap stock and a cold bore with each ammo.
At 8:24 people at Ruger had a great idea. They finally addressed the "Loose Magazine" issue that had two Ruger factions fighting. The "hunters" using fast and easy swapping magazines were happy with a loose fit magazine that would drop out easy. The "Target" shooters wanted greater accuracy from a tight-fitting magazine that ensured consistent alignment & smaller shot groups on paper. It was interesting that Volquartsen engineered an aftermarket trigger assembly replacement that fixed two weaknesses of the Ruger in one assembly. They lowered the trigger pull weight AND added a tightening lever on the magazine release to cam the magazine in tighter until it was ready to be released easier by the longer, easy access lever.
Great video and I have a comment on something you brought up earlier in the video. The one screw connecting receiver to the stock. I found out after a lot of research and talking to old timers that the one weak point in the Ruger 10/22 Target models that they did not like free floated barrels, temperature had an effect as the barrel warmed up. I bought one of the Ruger Competition Target models with two screw connection and it made a huge difference. I’ve wondered why Volquartsen did not follow suit with the change Ruger made. Also, I noticed you only shoot lead round nose ammo, is there a reason you don’t ever shoot copper plated? Thank you very much for your time and hard work on these videos.
I am a subscriber and 22lr ARA (factory class) bench rest shooter. You do a great job and I look forward to each new video. After watching this video, it struck a cord with me and Ruger 10/22 rifles. I have used every brand and type of ammo in this review. I have owned a number o 10/22's, both stock and highly modified. Bottom line is, fliers are a part of 10/22 ownership. Its not you, occasionally the ammo with a weak or more powerful round than the last, but the design of the 10/22. Your Volquartsen is a beautiful rifle, but it's still a 10/22 design. You can call a moose an elk, but it's still a moose. Thanks for your work.
Hey! Greetings from Norway! The stringing you experienced with the SK std+ after using the Norma is due to the greasy lube the RWS use and the thin oil Sk use. They realy crashes. Keep up the good videos 🙂
My gun doesn't seem to mind the lube change. Wolf to SK and the second best of ten groups was the first group with the best being the 8th. Ymmv, it's all back magic.
I have a Valquartsen SF1 stainless steel snake barrel. Manufacturers recommended the wolf target by Ely, the best for my firearm is Aguila target competition. Unbelievable accuracy.
I shoot the SK standard plus in my Kidd 10/22. It holds slightly less than 1/2 groups. I have older Wolf match extra , it's shoots well in my CZ 455. The CCI standard velocity shoots well in all of my rifles . Once in a while a flier but over all best bullets for the money .
Great video as always Mr Revolverguy I`m calling it before the video ends... CCI SV = WINNER? I dont buy those clear mags anymore, i`ve had many problems with them. I was wrong, SK Semi-Auto = WINNER
DATR, nice shooting, and 22lr " flyers " can make a grown man cry !! My favorite is still CCI-STD it may not be top dollars stuff, but it will holds its own @ $4 a box............... I recently picked up some CCI mini mag Target solids, they are very promising @ $11.99 ( 100 ) try'em I think you like them !!
I love your honest videos. As beautiful as that Volquartsen rifle is, it's not a shooter. A standard Ruger 10-22 with just an upgraded Kidd barrel will outshoot that one all day long and twice on sunday. In your Z challenge, I shot some practice targets with my Kidd barreled 10-22 and shoot .430" average groups with it on those targets. Times were not great at 55 seconds.
I'm still waiting for that Volquartsen to have the type of showing that I read about. I know you can shoot. I'd be interested in if the bullets are getting damaged when being chambered? I have some Ruger mags that cause that with my Kidd rifles. Less than 50% of my mags feed without damaging bullets. I'll bet that is what is causing the spread.
Try shooting from a thick rubber mat under the front rest (stable mat at Tractor Supply), or at least a piece of 3/4” plywood. Those points on a polished surface are not good.
Hi Eli, great gun. Only thing that makes your rifle shoot better, is epoxy putty, bedding around the screw, start of the barrel, and the back of the action.
...always appreciate ur videos!!!!! Always.... Being a lil critical.... I expected better from volquartsen.... The 52 still the king...... perhaps action torque adjustment would help....thx again....
This flyer problem is in the Ammo itself. You will pick up a difference with good manufactured consistent ammo verses cheaper stuff by simply doing some rim checking. Try Eley Match verses SK Match. Big difference., Eley holds a tighter tolerance. Then start swaging for consistent velocity.
As always great video content. I would surmise, that your flyers are coming from either a weaker/stronger powder charge in each catagory, or perhaps the steel recoil pin at back of the action may be causing some interference, my only other guess would be a barrel where the extractor is not centered in the notch, but hell, Im only an old retired sailor, and I have bad eyes. I do sort by rim thickness, and have had great, but not awesome results. Just saying.....
I learned many years ago not to use aftermarket magazines in my 10/22. Ruger only. Nice shooting! I want to try some hi grade ammo some day with my .22,s. Lapua, RWS, SK, ect, weighed, measured ect.
When will we get a manufacturer to make us a controlled round feed semi auto action? Maybe a slight delayed blowback setup to help with extra oomph chambering the rounds and delaying bolt opening. Until then I guess we'll just have to deal with the dinosaur blowbacks.
My rest has made a serious transition it is one reason I LOVE this company. So modular upgradeable like no other see this video ua-cam.com/video/Yc4ASm1eVbc/v-deo.html for comparison. Ransom Master Series Rest Ransom International.
Eli, I think your results would tighten up significantly if you would do the 10 warmer shots followed immediately by the 5 shot groups. No talking, no intro...no nada, just do the groups ASAP after the warmers. I believe that a minimum amount of heat has to be in the barrel for best groups. I've seen this over and over again here at home when I would pause for a few minutes and reset the chrono & re-set the tuner and watch the next series start off like a cold barrel shot & walk into the spot.
Between say ... Eley Tenex & Eley Match following each other, I use one wet .17 cal. mop with Hoppes and follow with 2 dry patches (the smaller mop doesn't scrub, it wets & wipes clean pulling excess lube and powder ash from the lands and grooves). The barrel will re-season & settle down within 10 shots. Tenex is lubed with bees wax & paraffin and the Match is only paraffin lubed. You might think that's not a lot of difference in lubes but if I don't wet mop, it can take a full 20 ~ 25 shots to settle the barrel again.
It's a good thing you and I don't live close or the wives would have a cat...we'd be on the range night & day! ;-) ... charlie
I agree - all my ammo testing has shown that you need to get on with it after the warmer shots or the groups open up
Great job he is losing heat. In my book this is not a true 22 test
Thank You for all the effort You're putting into these videos
You need to bring a grandson with you as a remote control for your camera.
Flyers, they will drive you crazy! This had to be a long day for you. At least you were able to get your walking in for the day! Haha!
Great video! Thanks!
If I had to guess what went wrong with this test. First would be the cheap stock that the quality action was in, you do not put a 1,000-dollar action in a 150-dollar stock. Second would be that you should have seasoned the barrel with at least 15 rounds before shooting the first groups. Third go directly to the 5-round group after shooting the 10-round group. Forth hold all comments until the seasoning rounds and 10 round and 5 round groups are completed. The way you did this test, you showed what a quality action will do with a cheap stock and a cold bore with each ammo.
Karen thank you for the comment this rifle was tested as is from factory.
My CZ 457 MTR just loves Norma Tac 22......Very good groups and the rare flyer is only off 1/4-3/8 of an inch
At 8:24 people at Ruger had a great idea. They finally addressed the "Loose Magazine" issue that had two Ruger factions fighting. The "hunters" using fast and easy swapping magazines were happy with a loose fit magazine that would drop out easy. The "Target" shooters wanted greater accuracy from a tight-fitting magazine that ensured consistent alignment & smaller shot groups on paper. It was interesting that Volquartsen engineered an aftermarket trigger assembly replacement that fixed two weaknesses of the Ruger in one assembly. They lowered the trigger pull weight AND added a tightening lever on the magazine release to cam the magazine in tighter until it was ready to be released easier by the longer, easy access lever.
Great video and I have a comment on something you brought up earlier in the video. The one screw connecting receiver to the stock. I found out after a lot of research and talking to old timers that the one weak point in the Ruger 10/22 Target models that they did not like free floated barrels, temperature had an effect as the barrel warmed up. I bought one of the Ruger Competition Target models with two screw connection and it made a huge difference. I’ve wondered why Volquartsen did not follow suit with the change Ruger made. Also, I noticed you only shoot lead round nose ammo, is there a reason you don’t ever shoot copper plated? Thank you very much for your time and hard work on these videos.
I am a subscriber and 22lr ARA (factory class) bench rest shooter. You do a great job and I look forward to each new video. After watching this video, it struck a cord with me and Ruger 10/22 rifles. I have used every brand and type of ammo in this review. I have owned a number o 10/22's, both stock and highly modified. Bottom line is, fliers are a part of 10/22 ownership. Its not you, occasionally the ammo with a weak or more powerful round than the last, but the design of the 10/22. Your Volquartsen is a beautiful rifle, but it's still a 10/22 design. You can call a moose an elk, but it's still a moose. Thanks for your work.
You do a great job leather neck keep the videos coming
Hey! Greetings from Norway! The stringing you experienced with the SK std+ after using the Norma is due to the greasy lube the RWS use and the thin oil Sk use. They realy crashes. Keep up the good videos 🙂
My gun doesn't seem to mind the lube change. Wolf to SK and the second best of ten groups was the first group with the best being the 8th.
Ymmv, it's all back magic.
Thanks for taking us along.
Thank you I really enjoyed this video.
Thank you
With life problems needing distraction, I could "watch you all day!" [Thieves lie, people cheat]. Thank you for being you. Praise our creator...
And a beautiful Ransom rest! Just got mine and love it!
I belive that kidd has a patient on the rear mounting for 10/22, My clear ones work just fine, you need to try a barrel tuner
I have a Valquartsen SF1 stainless steel snake barrel. Manufacturers recommended the wolf target by Ely, the best for my firearm is Aguila target competition. Unbelievable accuracy.
Great video...
I shoot the SK standard plus in my Kidd 10/22. It holds slightly less than 1/2 groups. I have older Wolf match extra , it's shoots well in my CZ 455. The CCI standard velocity shoots well in all of my rifles . Once in a while a flier but over all best bullets for the money .
Great video as always Mr Revolverguy
I`m calling it before the video ends... CCI SV = WINNER?
I dont buy those clear mags anymore, i`ve had many problems with them.
I was wrong, SK Semi-Auto = WINNER
I've had the same issue with the clear mags.
Love this stuff man. Keep up the great work!
Appreciate the way you explain thing's
DATR, nice shooting, and 22lr " flyers " can make a grown man cry !!
My favorite is still CCI-STD it may not be top dollars stuff, but it will
holds its own @ $4 a box...............
I recently picked up some CCI mini mag Target solids, they are very
promising @ $11.99 ( 100 ) try'em I think you like them !!
Let’s see the same comparison in 2024 with your new KIDD Rifle!
KIDD rifle? Wish I had one, Daughter has one though is that what you are referring to?
I love your honest videos. As beautiful as that Volquartsen rifle is, it's not a shooter. A standard Ruger 10-22 with just an upgraded Kidd barrel will outshoot that one all day long and twice on sunday. In your Z challenge, I shot some practice targets with my Kidd barreled 10-22 and shoot .430" average groups with it on those targets. Times were not great at 55 seconds.
I'm still waiting for that Volquartsen to have the type of showing that I read about. I know you can shoot. I'd be interested in if the bullets are getting damaged when being chambered? I have some Ruger mags that cause that with my Kidd rifles. Less than 50% of my mags feed without damaging bullets. I'll bet that is what is causing the spread.
Try shooting from a thick rubber mat under the front rest (stable mat at Tractor Supply), or at least a piece of 3/4” plywood. Those points on a polished surface are not good.
You need to try Remington golden bullets
Hi Eli, great gun. Only thing that makes your rifle shoot better, is epoxy putty, bedding around the screw, start of the barrel, and the back of the action.
Bedding might improve it for sure but since the rifle was a loaner to me I can't.
Nice job 👍
...always appreciate ur videos!!!!! Always.... Being a lil critical.... I expected better from volquartsen.... The 52 still the king...... perhaps action torque adjustment would help....thx again....
This flyer problem is in the Ammo itself. You will pick up a difference with good manufactured consistent ammo verses cheaper stuff by simply doing some rim checking. Try Eley Match verses SK Match. Big difference., Eley holds a tighter tolerance. Then start swaging for consistent velocity.
As always great video content. I would surmise, that your flyers are coming from either a weaker/stronger powder charge in each catagory, or perhaps the steel recoil pin at back of the action may be causing some interference, my only other guess would be a barrel where the extractor is not centered in the notch, but hell, Im only an old retired sailor, and I have bad eyes. I do sort by rim thickness, and have had great, but not awesome results. Just saying.....
I learned many years ago not to use aftermarket magazines in my 10/22. Ruger only. Nice shooting! I want to try some hi grade ammo some day with my .22,s. Lapua, RWS, SK, ect, weighed, measured ect.
That is a factory Ruger clear magazine -- ALL RUGER
Cool video, thanks. Would you get better groups with a Lead Sled?
When will we get a manufacturer to make us a controlled round feed semi auto action? Maybe a slight delayed blowback setup to help with extra oomph chambering the rounds and delaying bolt opening.
Until then I guess we'll just have to deal with the dinosaur blowbacks.
What is the cause of the flyers and how can you mitigate them?
Just discovered your channel, and I love it. You've probably mentioned this before, but what brand and model is your front rifle rest?
Reading through the comments to find this answer too. Lol
Looks like a Ransom Rifle Master.............
Great video
I don't think it's just the clear magazine. I have that problem with some of my Black 10 round magazines.
Hey, I just found your site. Nice work! Who makes your rest? Thanks.
My rest has made a serious transition it is one reason I LOVE this company. So modular upgradeable like no other see this video ua-cam.com/video/Yc4ASm1eVbc/v-deo.html for comparison. Ransom Master Series Rest Ransom International.
must be because black leaves the hole wide...
Please describe that pull thru snake in more detail.
Nice Work
Just recently found your channel. Really enjoy your enthusiasm and content. Recommending to my friends.
You should try a kidd supergrade. Second to none. Puts most bolt guns to shame
Volquartsen make's great product's. Have a great day!
Clear magazines stick in my Christensen Arms too!!? No problem with the black!!
That's interesting, I may do some measuring of them to try and figure it out.
Cci best cheaper to shot
Going full cci
Come on now. Why compensate a 22LR?
Wow My 597 drills one hole groups all day long with Eley.
My experience with VQ is their products don't live up to the hype.
I thought Marines were green🦖
Dude ! I want one 👍
I'll keep my anschutz 1903 match rifle did this same test. Had a .47 moa on all ammo
Take off the suppressor
Cci
Make the shoot 7 times first 2 never dos go good
To much time between shoots
Not impressed brother. My cheap butler creek carbon barrel would embarrass that high dollar unit
Cci