The Codebreakers Who Won the Battle of Midway

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  • Опубліковано 7 чер 2023
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  • @HiddenHistoryYT
    @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +12

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    • @Cronus66
      @Cronus66 11 місяців тому

      Uh k i😮uk m😅😅hi 0lnk😅😮

  • @johngreeve
    @johngreeve Рік тому +38

    I had the great pleasure of having Bill "Jap" Amos as a biology teacher in the 1960's. Years later we learned that he was a key member of Rochefort's codebreakers.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +1

      Wow, that is awesome! Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

    • @weehawker1
      @weehawker1 Рік тому +1

      i had an Fuel Systems instructor , WW2 Veteran, in 1982. His name was Mike. He would tell us Anecdotes from his Island Hoping experiences, and apply them to the lecture, practical applications of what he was teaching. Wish i was smarter back then, to ask him some more questions. These guys were our True Heros, .....
      Thanks for posting this.

    • @georgen9755
      @georgen9755 11 місяців тому

      I don't see the relevance of biology as physics was dominant next to civil engineering? do you see how significant biotechnology was another technical name for the electronics and communication engineering as over the last thirty years nothing seems to be interesting in electronics as biotechnology was the background for electronics ....and students and faculty in the electronics have literally nothing as significant as the biotechnology and arts do in the general science in arts and science colleges ..
      arts and science colleges are decoding faster than the computer faculty and the mechatronics ........ suddenly the swing in biology is curious in engineering colleges ...... different .........streams often pollute the stream ..before they configure
      ......... biology ????***

    • @raymondtonns2521
      @raymondtonns2521 11 місяців тому

      reminds me if a very nice senior citizen volunteer at our public library here in Richfield Springs NY. Ruth ,as i was told was in "codes" during the war

  • @jeffsr8300
    @jeffsr8300 Рік тому +49

    I can only imagine how unbelievably difficult that task was, but having Admiral Nimitz believing in you would help, or perhaps make it more daunting.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +2

      I agree! Thanks for watching and have a great rest of your week :)

    • @emmgeevideo
      @emmgeevideo Рік тому +4

      Incisive analysis. Having Nimitz believe in you was good or it wasn't good. You're right!

    • @michaelbagley9116
      @michaelbagley9116 Рік тому +1

      @@emmgeevideo One of the things that really made a difference was the map. You only have so many possible targets that would work for them and make the expenditure of valuable oil/supplies tactically worth it.
      I own a set of maps that show general situation through the years. The one around the time of Midway left them with just a very few targets. The question was to identify which one. The real question was North or South.
      Pattern analysis at the time tended to support a Northern force being developed and it was. Japanese love complicated plans. The difficulty was where was the more Southernly Forces.
      Again a combination of pattern analysis with other things tended to the Midline formations. People were sold on actions in the Coral Sea.
      Rochefort simply tipped the balance with a good commander at the helm. Nimitz knew that Japan was looking for a major knock out blow. Coral Sea did not sell as that kind of area. The longer American forces were left in play. The longer that we had to get ships, men, and material to the war zone. Japanese leadership knew this.
      Easy to say now. But I have long believed from looking at those maps and reading the history of Nimitz, that he thought of the kind of blow that the Japanese were looking for. It had to be Midway to give him what he wanted.

    • @johnfleet235
      @johnfleet235 Рік тому +2

      One of the pilots that flew off the Enterprise met both Admiral Kimmel and later Admiral Nimitz. He said Kimmel was a good commander, but it was different with Nimitz. With Nimitz, his officers and me felt that he supported them and would do whatever was needed to assist them. I think knowing that Nimitz had your back, motivated you to do your best.

  • @GrumpyIan
    @GrumpyIan Рік тому +26

    "We earned our pay." Yeah no kidding, they were essentially playing world's spiciest scrabble game.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +3

      😂. Rochefort appeared to be a very humble man and a great leader! Was perfect for the job. Appreciate you watching and have a great rest of your week :)

    • @jimreilly917
      @jimreilly917 Рік тому +1

      Legend!

    • @juliemerritt5144
      @juliemerritt5144 Рік тому +1

      @Grumpylan These code breakers won the war. Stop being grumpy.

  • @bob456fk6
    @bob456fk6 Рік тому +18

    This is an amazing achievement!
    After working for many hours focused so intently on the codes, I don't see how these people could sleep at night.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  11 місяців тому

      Completely agree! Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

  • @TheBrettWay
    @TheBrettWay Рік тому +14

    these were the real heroes of the war.. Everyday that goes by lives were lost i cant imagine the mental toll

  • @georgekraus9357
    @georgekraus9357 5 місяців тому +3

    The code breakers never got the recognition, awards, promotions, etc., simply because their work was so secret that it could not be written up and approved through channels. Any award or promotion required justification and it is almost impossible to justify it in writing without releasing the secret.

  • @louiselynge2763
    @louiselynge2763 Рік тому +60

    Very nice documentary, but you forgot the "water issue" at Midway. The US didn't know which place the japanese would attack, so the had Midway to send a message, that the water evaporator was broken. And in one of the messages, the japanese wrote that MP? had water issues. :-) And then the US knew that they were going to attack Midway.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +22

      🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ I even had that in my editing notes to add a mention of that, dang it! You are correct though and great info so thanks for sharing!
      Appreciate you watching and have a fantastic rest of your week :)

    • @sfdeliveries76
      @sfdeliveries76 Рік тому +24

      The correct designation was AF.

    • @jimreilly917
      @jimreilly917 Рік тому +9

      Which is in the original Midway movie and the remake. Extraordinary.

    • @nickchoporis5901
      @nickchoporis5901 11 місяців тому +14

      Pacific fleet thought it was Midway, they had to prove it to Washington.

    • @joshuadesautels
      @joshuadesautels 11 місяців тому +5

      "AF".

  • @livingadreamlife1428
    @livingadreamlife1428 2 дні тому +1

    Rochefort recruited his analysts by finding naval personnel with a musical background, specifically those with the ability to sight read music really well.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  День тому

      Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

  • @aaronkuntze7494
    @aaronkuntze7494 Рік тому +7

    Intelligence is the ability to recognize patterns, genius is the ability to recognize patterns that no one else can see.

  • @DinHamburg
    @DinHamburg Рік тому +8

    The other success of the code breakers was to find a precise date and place of yamamoto, which led to a long range air attack on his plane

    • @qmsarge
      @qmsarge 11 місяців тому

      There is another alternative story that some part of Yamamoto's travel plans were transmitted in "clear", that is without any encryption. Whether that was deliberate or accidental, I am not sure.

  • @ridethecurve55
    @ridethecurve55 Рік тому +15

    Given the rudimentary nature of decryption machines and analysis, it just amazes me how the sweat is mightier than the samurai sword.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +2

      Completely agree! Thanks for watching and have a great rest of your week :)

  • @TM-yn4iu
    @TM-yn4iu Рік тому +3

    I should admit, I assumed this video to be an audio loaded piece with minimal fact. I apologize and am truly impressed with the quality, in video, narrative, and most important facts. Thanks

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому

      Glad to hear! Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

  • @vickicaldwell2091
    @vickicaldwell2091 Рік тому +8

    I am currently reading "And I Was There" by Rear Admiral Layton. A great companion book for this documentary. A good, fast read by the way!

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому

      I’ll have to check that out! Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

  • @spermdemon
    @spermdemon Рік тому +8

    Walter Lord in his history about the Battle of Midway, INCREDIBLE VICTORY, describes Joe Rochefort, briefing Nimitz, a stickler for decorum, dressed in a red smoking jacket.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +1

      Appreciate you watching and have a great rest of your week :)

    • @livingadreamlife1428
      @livingadreamlife1428 2 дні тому

      Capt Mush Morton, the USN’s premiere submariner of WW2, also shunned the Navy dress decorum. He was lauded for it, while Rochefort was written off as a kook. Go figure….

  • @jerseybob4471
    @jerseybob4471 Рік тому +10

    Thanks for the video. I served in the US Army during the Vietnam War. My unit did communications intelligence. For many of our guys, it was super repetitive mind numbing work. Day after day. It was not James Bond. Important work that was done using copious amounts of man power. Today, I’m sure everything with satellites and computers.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +1

      Thank you for your service! Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

    • @trombone113
      @trombone113 11 місяців тому

      @jerseybob4471 - Today you might be in the Space Force, seeing as how it has nothing to do with weapons or fighting battles in space and everything to do with forgeign satalites and code breaking and interpretation. One thing about Trump starting that was that he was very successful in keeping secret the real purpose of the service. If for no other reason than half the country believing he is stupid, which he constantly used to his advantage. And of coarse the severe lack of publicity because the MSM hated injestigating and reporting on anything good when it came yo Trump, many people soon forgot about the new service all together because their lives did not change at all. But the U.S. Space Force is all about cryptology and breaking codes and messages. And as far as Trump is concerned, our military needs to always act like we are at war even when we aren't.

  • @johntuman1891
    @johntuman1891 5 місяців тому +2

    Really appreciate good history videos. Thanks for making this

  • @VeiledVerities
    @VeiledVerities Рік тому +8

    Learned a lot - this was excellent!

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому

      Greatly appreciate it! Thanks for watching and have a great rest of your week :)

  • @carlparlatore294
    @carlparlatore294 11 місяців тому +3

    incredible job of presenting a extremely complex subject so that even someone like me could understand! Great JOB!

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  11 місяців тому

      Greatly appreciate it! Thanks for watching and have a fantastic week :)

  • @budj8143
    @budj8143 Рік тому +10

    Great presentation, you all might consider a follow-on piece highlighting the ‘On the roof gang’ (OTRG) the group of specially trainer sailors and marines that actually intercepted the Morse Code groups which were the basis of the material the analysts worked on. In addition to being stationed in Guam, the Philippines, Hawaii, they were also in China and afloat in commercial shipping vessels. OTRG because they trained in a cinderblock building on top of the Navy Department building on constitution ave in wash, DC

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +3

      I will have to check that out, appreciate the suggestion! Thanks for watching and have a great rest of your week :)

  • @labla8940
    @labla8940 Рік тому +6

    Thank You Hal Holbrook, you broke the code

  • @carlhokanson9160
    @carlhokanson9160 10 місяців тому

    Great presentation, very informative and fun to listen to!!!

  • @georgefspicka5483
    @georgefspicka5483 Рік тому +8

    This is great. Thank you. I've always wondered how Rochefort and his team were able to accomplish what they did.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +1

      Greatly appreciate it! Thanks for watching and have a great rest of your week :)

    • @parimalpandya9645
      @parimalpandya9645 Рік тому

      A guy named Mr Cramer of the USA intelligence was instantly aware of the Japanese invasion of the pearl harbour with code breaking but authorities didn't respond timely

  • @williamromine5715
    @williamromine5715 Рік тому +18

    Unfortunately, Rochefort(sp) wasn't rewarded for his efforts. He got cross wise with big shots in Washington, and wasn't credited for his and his team's efforts. He spent the rest of the war in minor stations doing unimportant things.

    • @danhryniszak6612
      @danhryniszak6612 Рік тому +5

      I believe Rochfort was not allowed to explain the role the code breakers had on the War until 1985 when he wrote his book.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому

      Thanks for watching and have a great weekend :)

    • @jnstonbely5215
      @jnstonbely5215 Рік тому +12

      Replying to Wm .Romire.
      The bigwigs Joe Rochefort had to battle with we’re the two Redman brothers who did all they could to trip up Joe, and delay things .
      From all I’ve read, jealousy ; yes JEALOUSY, call it professional or personal jealousy,was their problem maybe because Joe wasn’t a graduate of the Naval Academy, yet was SO successful in working to break JN25 ( Japan Naval Code 25).
      Add to that that The Admiral had Joe report directly to him, then to them in Washington, D.C.
      I find their activities and backhandedness repugnant, as we were fighting a damn war and those two guys were forgetting that it was a war we could not lose !
      Well, that didn’t matter to Admiral Nimitz, but I wish Nimitz would’ve laid a couple of promotions on Joe , as after the war Joe served as commander of small outposts, etc until he retired about 1956.
      Well Done, Commander Joe Rochefort 🇺🇸

    • @stephenbellanger9680
      @stephenbellanger9680 Рік тому

      Typical jealousy, ij you're smarter than your 'higher ups.

    • @williamromine5715
      @williamromine5715 Рік тому +5

      @@jnstonbely5215 I understand Nimitz liked him, and I wonder if he was prevented from promoting Rochefort. I know he went out on a limb when he accepted Rochefort's calculations, even though the Brass in Washington tried to convince Nimitz otherwise. Of course Nimitz had a war to run, and probably didn't have the time to make big waves fighting for Rochefort. Also, I suppose Nimitz didn't think the higher ups would push their animosity the way they did. We were damned lucky to have won that battle at Midway. The war could have drug on a lot longer if Nimitz didn't accept Rocheforts recommendations..

  • @simonjones3863
    @simonjones3863 Рік тому +4

    Excellent video. Well worth watching.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +1

      Greatly appreciate it! Thanks for watching and have a fantastic rest of your week :)

  • @raymondtonns2521
    @raymondtonns2521 11 місяців тому +1

    an amazing tale of incredible hard work!

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  11 місяців тому

      Greatly appreciate you watching and have a fantastic week :)

  • @joelpless4214
    @joelpless4214 11 місяців тому +2

    Very interesting and well done.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  11 місяців тому

      Greatly appreciate it! Thanks for watching and have a fantastic week :)

  • @timandellenmoran1213
    @timandellenmoran1213 Рік тому +1

    This is fantastic!

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому

      Greatly appreciate it! Thanks for watching and have a fantastic weekend :)

  • @jw4620
    @jw4620 8 місяців тому +1

    Amazing stuff!

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  8 місяців тому +1

      Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

  • @michaelbagley9116
    @michaelbagley9116 Рік тому +5

    Codebreakers is as much about art as science. It takes intuitive intelligence combined with the art of seeing the patterns of messages.

  • @stephenholian2660
    @stephenholian2660 5 місяців тому +1

    As in the uk these ppl were well educated ppl tasked with the impossible...these guys ended the war by 5 years less maybe more who knows due to their code breaking but we are so grateful for these unsung heroes....what the british did to turing was criminal

  • @catherinelee3298
    @catherinelee3298 Рік тому +4

    I cannot imagine how difficult breaking codes is.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  11 місяців тому +1

      Ya it would hurt my head a lot I imagine haha. Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

  • @stephenrichards339
    @stephenrichards339 Рік тому +4

    That was a very interesting video

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +1

      Glad to hear! Appreciate you watching and have a great weekend Stephen :)

  • @roydavis5613
    @roydavis5613 10 місяців тому +7

    The British contribution to cracking the Japanese codes by Bletchley Park teams was considerable.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  10 місяців тому +1

      Indeed! Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

    • @paulthomas-hh2kv
      @paulthomas-hh2kv 10 місяців тому +1

      Same at battle of kursk with Russians

    • @DarthV3622Fkm
      @DarthV3622Fkm 3 місяці тому +2

      But the Brits did nothing directly to help Rochefort's team success at Midway. It was all Station HYPO effort and persistence to convince Nimitz and fight a distrustful King. Stop trying to steal glory you guys don't deserve for Midway.

    • @roydavis5613
      @roydavis5613 3 місяці тому

      @@DarthV3622Fkm Certainly, the yanks cracked the Jap code JN-25, via HYPO, and was brilliant. However, by 1942 the Americans were collaborating with Bletchley Park and learning the secrets of Ultra and methods the Brits used for encrypting. Don't get me wrong, without the yanks, WW2 would have been lost !

  • @jeffreyrodgers2881
    @jeffreyrodgers2881 10 місяців тому +1

    great video

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  10 місяців тому +1

      Greatly appreciate it! Have a fantastic weekend :)

  • @gerardlatournerie6153
    @gerardlatournerie6153 Рік тому +1

    A wonderful detailed historical research on human analysis, human, electro mechanical cipher code breaking development from 1900 to WWI, 20 years Post WW I, WW II, Post WW II Cold War

  • @armandzottola1626
    @armandzottola1626 3 місяці тому +1

    Fascinating, I came close to going into this work. The offer was rejected because I had no idea what I was getting into. I think it was made in code!

  • @2012photograph
    @2012photograph Рік тому +1

    Thank you

  • @frequentlycynical642
    @frequentlycynical642 Рік тому +4

    Rochefort tricked the Japanese, too. He wasn't sure if the target would be Midway or the Aleutians. He had the folks at Midway send a message that their fresh water distiller broke down. The Japanese picked this up, made comment, and inadvertently confirmed that the target was Midway.
    "Code Girls" is a fascinating read. The Washington Naval code breakers were hundred of female college grads, majored in math and the sciences.

    • @235buz
      @235buz Рік тому +1

      They should have mentioned Elizabeth Smith Friedman.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому

      Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

    • @GH-oi2jf
      @GH-oi2jf 11 місяців тому +3

      Rochefort was sure, but he had to convince others in Washington.

    • @jimloesel2849
      @jimloesel2849 Місяць тому

      Rochefort knew. The analysts in Washington had come to the wrong conclusion and he had pull the water shortage issue to convince Washington he had the right place.

  • @salvagedb2470
    @salvagedb2470 Рік тому +2

    This would fry anybody's Brain , Who ever did this stuff must have been on another Level..

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  11 місяців тому

      Indeed! Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

  • @mattmaxon7783
    @mattmaxon7783 11 місяців тому

    This has many important details left out about the code breaking efforts in the pacific. The analysis made the victories possible, an impressive unsung effort. I wonder was any of the equipment used for Europe applied in the pacific? Direction finding like the war of the Atlantic against the U-Boats?

  • @stevefitt9538
    @stevefitt9538 11 місяців тому +1

    I saw a claim some time ago that we had such detailed info of the carriers' planned direction of attack, that the pilot of the Catalina that spotted them was told just before he took off that he would likely see them exactly where he did see them. The source IIRC was the memory of that pilot.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  11 місяців тому

      Very interesting, I’ll have to google that! Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

  • @johnwarren1920
    @johnwarren1920 11 місяців тому +2

    Anyone interested in more technical details as well as organization of the code-breaking effort might find the book "Code Breaking in the Pacific" by Peter Donovan and John Mack interesting.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  11 місяців тому

      I’ll have to check that out! Thanks for watching and have a great weekend :)

  • @DavidDavidunderthebridgeChampi
    @DavidDavidunderthebridgeChampi 26 днів тому

    There are always the unsung by necessity. Key information about how plans are found out and when. That information can only be discussed years later. At a time, when it will not impact the process of information collection and processing.

  • @garyleibitzke4166
    @garyleibitzke4166 11 місяців тому +2

    Mind bogglingly difficult.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  11 місяців тому +1

      Indeed! Thanks for watching and have a fantastic rest of your week :)

  • @playgroundchooser
    @playgroundchooser 6 місяців тому +1

    That last quote about earning his pay makes me pretty sure that Rochefort wouldn't watch an explosion behind him as he walked away.
    Badasses don't watch the explosion.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  6 місяців тому

      Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

  • @JxH
    @JxH Рік тому +3

    What about the "Water Purification Plant" ruse ?

  • @VoicesofWW2YT
    @VoicesofWW2YT 10 днів тому +1

    Geniuses!

  • @JulieFilter
    @JulieFilter 6 місяців тому +1

    This was the whole reason I became cryptologist in the Navy…code breaking is so intriguing. But now computers do all of the fun work 😑

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  6 місяців тому

      Dang! Must be pretty fun to do though! Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

  • @kevinhealey6540
    @kevinhealey6540 Рік тому

    That's the works when an organization deciphers information. It's a puzzle they have to figure out and piece by piece that's how they do it.

  • @CAROLDDISCOVER-FINDER2525
    @CAROLDDISCOVER-FINDER2525 Рік тому +4

    Loose lips sink ships and it's a heck of a lot of Japanese ships! It appears to me that they had to confer a lot more than our Navy did but the brass back in Tokyo compared to are brass in Washington DC. So they had to order more sushi 🍣 as an example of probably not a necessity of radio use. It's like being on the phone so much texting pictures of what you eating for lunch. All this told us more about their intentions. Great video documentation of history. Thank you.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +2

      Greatly appreciate it! Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

  • @susanwahl6322
    @susanwahl6322 3 місяці тому

    You also need to do a story about the Navaho code talkers. If I heard right, the last one died recently.

  • @leebiggs1685
    @leebiggs1685 4 місяці тому +2

    America beat the Japanese because Americans, mostly Marines, learned to fight with the fierceness of the Japanese, but the Japanese did not learn to produce like the Americans. Code breaking did not win the war, but it dramatically lowered the cost of victory.

  • @tundranomad
    @tundranomad Рік тому +1

    14:53. Ya lost me. Guess I'm headed to the infantry.

  • @EchoesofWarYT
    @EchoesofWarYT 10 місяців тому +2

    Smart men

  • @ronaldlee3537
    @ronaldlee3537 4 місяці тому +1

    One of the reasons why German also lost WW2, they were super-strong militarily, but the US knew where to focus their strength.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  4 місяці тому +1

      Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

  • @Fredpotts
    @Fredpotts Рік тому +8

    At that early stage of the war, the US was inept in carrier operations. The Japanese could launch every airplane in 20 min and have a coordinated attack on their target. The US, at the Battle of Midway, were not able to get all their planes airborne to produce a coordinated attack. So they did an uncoordinated attack. Which worked. The results that day can only be ascribed to luck or Divine Intervention.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +1

      Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

    • @GH-oi2jf
      @GH-oi2jf 11 місяців тому +3

      The US Navy did have good luck, but they knew the Japanese Navy was coming and were prepared.

    • @playgroundchooser
      @playgroundchooser 6 місяців тому

      Although a little of both; they kind of accidentally take advantage of the strict Japanese Navy's combat dogma. A coordinated attack.... may have ended poorly! :-O

    • @paulferguson7055
      @paulferguson7055 4 місяці тому

      I'm currently in the process of breaking thru one of the biggest major frauds against the United States thru embezzlement by the US Department of Education. I can relate to Rochefort respectful to the fact that no credit for accomplishing this herculean task has been recognized...

  • @kenfox22
    @kenfox22 Рік тому +1

    Super smart people. Bless them

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +1

      Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

  • @jamespriddy8275
    @jamespriddy8275 5 місяців тому

    So, if I’m understanding this correctly, each person in the process of sending a message could only do his part, but could not decipher the entire message? Like an assembly line, proficient in his particular expertise, then pass it on to the next in line to add his portion. I’m wondering how long it took to complete the process of sending just one message.
    It’s a testament to the extreme measures Japan took for security that they couldn’t even recognize that the code was broken throughout the war. That they were being thwarted in other operations was so obvious that it never occurred to them that they were jinxed.

  • @gregbolitho9775
    @gregbolitho9775 Рік тому

    Nice job m8, but isn't the photo 11:13in a photo of the British Mobile Chain Low Radar?

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому

      Appreciate it! Thanks for watching. It may indeed be, pic material was very limited unfortunately

    • @tuftyindigo
      @tuftyindigo Рік тому

      @@HiddenHistoryYT We could tell that by how much AI-generated material was mixed in with the stock footage. It's not a good look for your credibility but I enjoyed the video nonetheless.

  • @doreekaplan2589
    @doreekaplan2589 11 місяців тому +2

    Koool. Now for the ww1 an ww2 American Indian code talkers

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  11 місяців тому

      I will get on that! Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

  • @danhryniszak6612
    @danhryniszak6612 Рік тому +4

    History Professor / Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich taught the importance of studying History by showing “Alternative Outcomes”, “What if Scenarios”. So What if, Admiral Yamamoto was present with the Pearl Harbor attacking Fleet? SoH Gingrich explains that after the first 2 waves of air attacks, Yamamoto may have released 2 old Battleships to bombard the harbor including the oil storage tanks, whereas Nagumo damaged or sank the US Battleships and turned for home. Without the oil, the US Navy operations could not occur until 1943. What would this mean for Australia without the Battle of Coral Sea? Etc. Etc. Without the US Navy conducting the Doolittle Raid, Coral Sea, Midway, and Solomons in 1942, would Japan stab Russia in the back at the moment that Germany occupied Stalingrad and Leningrad? The US and UK would be in a much worse situation then they actually were. Imagine it could be worse!!?
    Well, the same logic applies at Midway if
    Well the same logic applies if Nimitz did not believe the code breakers at the battle of Midway.
    Winston Churchill said if the Air Battle of Britain,” Never before have so many owed so much to so few”!
    At that Time, 1940, it was true, but the Battle of Midway in 1942, it needed to be re-said of the code breakers and US Naval pilots. Most people do not realize just how few in number of US planes sunk the 4 Japanese carriers. Basically, Richard “Dick” Best sunk 2 Carriers in the same day owing to his skill and courage. Imagine if Dick Best had appendicitis on June 4th!!! ???

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +1

      Interesting info! Thanks for watching and have a great weekend :)

    • @davidgow4900
      @davidgow4900 Рік тому +1

      The Austn War Memorial ("museum") concluded that the Japanese had no real plans to invade Australia, but they did want to isolate it so that it could not be used as a base for counter attack.

  • @dabda8510
    @dabda8510 Рік тому +2

    6:00
    Lol. Good old spy work.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому

      😂😂 Thanks for watching and have a great rest of your week :)

  • @raywhitehead730
    @raywhitehead730 4 місяці тому +1

    A different perspective: how many code breakers got killed in combat. And I bet they didn't sleep in the jungle with the snakes. It was good duty.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  4 місяці тому +1

      Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

  • @GermanShepherd1983
    @GermanShepherd1983 7 днів тому

    It's too bad that King refused to give Rochefort credit for what he did.

  • @TRHARTAmericanArtist
    @TRHARTAmericanArtist Рік тому +4

    I tried studying cryptology on my own. I can't believe how hard it is. Truly amazing. We broke the Japanese codes in the 1920s but they changed it over and over again.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +3

      It actually shocked me how difficult it is and I even went in expecting it to be. Truly some very very smart and relentless people! As always appreciate you watching and have a great weekend :)

    • @TRHARTAmericanArtist
      @TRHARTAmericanArtist Рік тому +2

      @@HiddenHistoryYT Keep up your incredible work.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +1

      @@TRHARTAmericanArtist will do :)

  • @Daddyclive
    @Daddyclive Рік тому +1

    All Japanese naval plans and operational orders regarding Pearl Harbor were not sent over telecoms or radio means they were delivered by "Officer Hand Only" hence a complete surprise attack.

  • @labla8940
    @labla8940 Рік тому +1

    Constructive criticism Its like you are reading a book with a few background photos. UA-cam videos or at least the ones I like. I do watch almost nothing but UA-cam videos with a majority of them WW2. Mark Felton is a good example of a well told story. Your topic is near and dear to me as Midway and Battle of Britain are 2 of my specialties

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +1

      Wait so what is your suggestion / feedback exactly? At least from a videography/editing perspective I unironically think mine is better than his haha, obviously his channel/videos are better overall though (I’m a big fan of his channel).
      Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

    • @labla8940
      @labla8940 Рік тому

      @@HiddenHistoryYT It is that its more like a book on tape than a informational. I like the topic I listened to it I enjoyed it, a little soul would make it a solid video. That's it not meant in anyway to be an insult. The ones like Montemayor channel bring you along for the ride. your facts were solid and informative. Flour, water, yeast and salt make bread you provided all that in perfect portions its how the bread is proofed cooked that makes a huge difference that's it, just an opinion you can take offence or at least process the idea. Carl Sagan made what many would consider a boring subject and just nailed it to epic levels. I think your knowledge and passion are great and I respect that, ie. you have great flour, clean water, strong, yeast and tasty salt. P.S. Worst Battleship Ever Built was great

  • @petergreenwald9639
    @petergreenwald9639 Рік тому +2

    I would advise that you research Elizebeth Smith Friedman.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +2

      Will do, thanks for the suggestion! Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

    • @petergreenwald9639
      @petergreenwald9639 Рік тому

      @@HiddenHistoryYT Thank you! And I will!

  • @allencampbell8322
    @allencampbell8322 4 дні тому

    Helped win

  • @centariprime9959
    @centariprime9959 11 місяців тому

    You failed to mention the trick of ordering Midway to open broadcast that the water desalination unit was down. This resulted in the Japanese requesting a desalination equipment as the unit of "AF" was not working. As "AF" was an unknown and this provided confirmation it was Midway. King also hated Roachford as he did not act and look like a Navy officer.

  • @ozatwar
    @ozatwar Рік тому

    You did not mention the role of the Code Breakers of FRUMEL in Melbourne, Australia. Fleet Radio Unit Melbourne.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому

      Great point! Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

  • @TheSports50
    @TheSports50 Рік тому +1

    Amazing accomplishment code breakers and personnel with traffic messages

  • @bt-rl4mh
    @bt-rl4mh 4 місяці тому

    Water evaporator is not correct,rather a desalination plant for fresh water

  • @opathe2nd973
    @opathe2nd973 Рік тому +2

    And all done without modern computers! God bless them all!

  • @aaronjohn6586
    @aaronjohn6586 Рік тому +3

    So, if the US and the Allies were able to break the Japanese and German's codes. Why were the Axis unable to break the codes of the Allies at the same level? Imagine how the war would have gone if the Japanese had known what islands were to be invaded? Or the Germans knew where operation Overlord was going to happen?

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +3

      Found some decent info here: www.quora.com/To-what-extent-were-the-Axis-powers-able-to-break-Allied-codes-during-WWII

    • @jimreilly917
      @jimreilly917 Рік тому

      The Allies undertook a massive disinformation campaign against the Axis RE DDAY. They knew Hitler was certain the Allies would invade France at Calais…the narrowest point across the English Channel between Britain and France, and the invasion route taken by the Normans centuries past. The Allies did everything they could to encourage this…including fabricating a fictional First US Army Group with Patton in “command “., and radio traffic, inflatable tanks and speakers to simulate military vehicles traffic….near the coast across from CALAIS.

    • @vickicaldwell2091
      @vickicaldwell2091 Рік тому +2

      Hubris on the Axis part. Also, The allies went to great extremes to cover this knowledge. Live were sacrificed for this secerecy.

    • @joeyjamison5772
      @joeyjamison5772 Рік тому

      The Germans actually hurt themselves by ending virtually every coded transmitted message with the phrase "Heil Hitler". It gave the code breakers something to go after, knowing it was there, one way or another, even if it was encoded. The Allies also captured several German code machines without the Germans finding out.

  • @timestampterrysassistant7638
    @timestampterrysassistant7638 Рік тому +4

    Keyboard warriors ftw

  • @jimparsons6803
    @jimparsons6803 11 місяців тому +1

    Amazing that it took so many of the US side to do that decoding. My guess is that it also took large numbers of Japanese folk to prepare and then decode the messages as well? Seems cumbersome. There was a PBS NOVA from about 30 years back that looked at the Enigma, several other Nazi approaches and the Japanese approaches too. The code breakers in the US, used statistical sampling techniques (according to my recollections of that NOVA) to figure that both enemy parties were using machines and then to use the statistical data to back design their own machines and approaches to decrypt the Nazi and Japanese enemy side. The Japanese machines were designed around automated telephone dialing repeater equipment. Boggle.

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  11 місяців тому

      Great info! Thanks for watching and have a fantastic week :)

  • @christophermcguire27
    @christophermcguire27 Рік тому +1

    Cryptanalysis, JN25 cribs parts of words, in a foreign language, leads, may lead, to deciphering well, JN25 , Enigma, Lorenz

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  11 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

  • @richardyoung871
    @richardyoung871 11 місяців тому

    In this video I don't believe it because the 442 was formed,JAPANESE AMERICANS FROM Hawaii and CALIFORNIA but you know about HIROHISMA AND NAGASAKI

  • @gordonhall9871
    @gordonhall9871 Рік тому +1

    strange the best code breaker was vanished before pearl .. but came back for midway

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому

      Thanks for watching and have a great rest of your week :)

  • @samanthafordyce5795
    @samanthafordyce5795 Рік тому +1

    All that without the help of Fortran or Excel!!

  • @patriciamvisnofsky4750
    @patriciamvisnofsky4750 Рік тому +1

    🇺🇲🇺🇲 good afternoon all 🇺🇲 many many years ago I went to the movie call the Wind talk was I great before and told they story on the war

  • @Bduh2
    @Bduh2 5 місяців тому +1

    Why is it then that in 2024 we are so divided? I mean look at the brilliant people we had in those days and after WWII. What happened?

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  5 місяців тому

      Yep so sad. Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

  • @unguidedone
    @unguidedone Рік тому

    they should have used a one time pad

  • @mikem5043
    @mikem5043 11 місяців тому

    No mention of "AF"??? and how that was verified?

  • @brianpencall4882
    @brianpencall4882 6 днів тому

    They were cryptanalysts and cryptographers.
    Rochefort should have received the Navy Cross.

  • @Backwardlooking
    @Backwardlooking Рік тому +1

    👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

  • @jamesbingham4538
    @jamesbingham4538 Рік тому

    What is up with the annoying bit of text "Criticalpast" in the middle of the screen???

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  11 місяців тому +1

      Unfortunately one of the few archives out there with good clips, they put their watermark across unless you want to pay like $400+ for each 30 second clip

  • @Steve-OH601
    @Steve-OH601 Рік тому +4

    Codbreakers - fish abusers?

    • @MagereHein
      @MagereHein Рік тому +2

      What have those poor cod done to us?

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +4

      😂😂 my bad, at least the spelling mistake created something funny. Appreciate you watching and have a great rest of your week :)

    • @Steve-OH601
      @Steve-OH601 Рік тому +2

      @@HiddenHistoryYT I thought it was funny, too. Good video!

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +1

      @@Steve-OH601 Glad to hear it was good! Have a great weekend :)

  • @tomrussell9565
    @tomrussell9565 11 місяців тому

    Elizabeth Friedman and other women made major contributions to this. You have them pictured but cannot bring yourself to mention their efforts much less say the name of a single one. Read the book you quoted. Yes one men did not get big recognition. ALL of the women go unmentioned.

  • @TheBrettWay
    @TheBrettWay Рік тому

    MAYDAY MAYDAY

  • @PlymouthVT
    @PlymouthVT 26 днів тому

    Didn't the war dept go around to US Colleges and enlist math genius's?

  • @12345NoNamesLeft
    @12345NoNamesLeft Рік тому

    Codbreakers

  • @donmason2933
    @donmason2933 Рік тому +1

    Does Pig Latin count?

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +1

      Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

  • @mitch_the_-itch
    @mitch_the_-itch Рік тому

    Having a logo the words "Critical Past" rammed up my arse makes me HATE Critical Past and will forever boycott anything with this name.

  • @markiangooley
    @markiangooley 11 місяців тому

    Americans are so notoriously monoglot that it’s remarkable that there were Americans who could handle Japanese, encoded or not!

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  11 місяців тому

      Lol

    • @RonaldMayDMD-nt3fd
      @RonaldMayDMD-nt3fd 11 місяців тому +1

      And yet the linguistically deficient Yanks were the sole source of relief to the UK in 1940 & ‘41. If, in fact, Bletchley Park HAD “broken the Japanese codes”, why was Pearl Harbor allowed to occur?? There is no question that Alan Turing was paramount in breaking the Enigma code and he was treated so despicably by his government that he was driven to suicide!! And yes the Enigma machine was considered so unbreakable that it was sent to Tokyo for use by Nippon….. never knowing that the Allies had complete knowledge.

    • @politicsuncensored5617
      @politicsuncensored5617 10 місяців тому

      Yes we only had to save you Europeans & Asian's in 2 F---king world wars. When WW 3 is started in your part of the world, how about leave America out of it. I rather sit back and watch all of your destroy each other. Shalom

  • @terryrussel523
    @terryrussel523 5 місяців тому

    Would SOMEONE please just spit out the real reason why Rochefort was, shortly after Midway,
    relieved of his duties at HYPO and sent stateside to command that floating drydock ???
    It wasn't just personality conflicts. I hear it was more like the outrageous attitude problems with the Bureau of Ordnance and their garbage torpedoes.

    • @jimloesel2849
      @jimloesel2849 Місяць тому

      Jealousy. The admiral in charge of communication and code breaking came to the exact opposite conclusion as Rochefort. Rochefort was moved out of his position in Hawaii so Washington could take credit. Years latter the Admirals action were declassified, but it by that time Rochefort was an old man and the Admiral had lived a privileged career off taking credit for someone else’s work. From Wikipedia : John Redman served as the Communications Officer on the staff of the Commander-in-Chief, United States Pacific Fleet, Admiral Chester Nimitz, from October 1942 to March 1945. Under his tenure his actions were criticised. Redman rejected Captain Joseph Rochefort's accurate analysis of the intercepted Japanese messages that ultimately led to the successful Battle of Midway, and he subsequently played a role in Rochefort's ejection from cryptanalysis in the months that followed. His organisation's intentional withholding of intercepts and tips from the British, Indian and New Zealand allies and the US Army, who were also working on the decryption of other Japanese codebooks, was considered to have collectively held them all back.

  • @davidcarroll4411
    @davidcarroll4411 Рік тому +1

    Were they breaking fish?

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому +2

      Whoops 🤦‍♂️ At least it created a funny title 😂 Thanks for watching and have a great rest of your week :)

  • @astondriver
    @astondriver Рік тому +2

    bletchley park broke the Japanese codes and passed the ciphers to USA

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT  Рік тому

      Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

    • @comikdebris
      @comikdebris 11 місяців тому

      Great book on the British code breakers on Japanese decoding efforts. The EMPEROR'S CODES by Micheal Smith