Who Killed More? Mao, Stalin, or Hitler?
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We all know Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong were ruthless, murderous dictators, but which of the three is directly responsible for more deaths than any other person in history? Tell your grandma to watch this video.
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So who was most ruthless, in your opinion? Mao, Stalin, or Hitler?
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Mao tried to do good (atleast at the start) edit: I change my mind about Mao
Hitler was an Idiot
Stalin was souless and efficient
Leopold might not be in the top 3, but he’s definitely the most brutal with the way he let the Congolese be killed in his Free State
hitler
Hitler was the worst one
You're ignoring the BILLIONS of people who have been killed by lack of access to food shelter clean drinking water and medical care thanks to all the Capitalist Oligarchs who run the world today 🤮
While the numbers may not be as high as these 3, I'd add Leopold II of Belgium as one of the most ruthless murderers for his atrocities in the Belgian Congo.
Cambodia's Pol Pot also deserves at least an (dis)honorary mention.
@@pascalausensi9592 if pol pot can be in this then so can japans tojo.
Hot take here. I think Leopold II was more ruthless than Stalin.
@@pascalausensi9592 Pol Pot was also extremely ruthless
@@iammrbeat Who would you say was more ruthless Pol Pot, Leopold II, or Hitler?
What makes Hitler unique is that he was a less "successful" dictator than the other two. His reign of terror was dominated by a failed war that ultimately resulted in his own death, leaving many of his most horrifying ambitions unfulfilled. There is less ambiguity about Stalin and Mao, by contrast. They ruled for a long time and we have a good sense of how bad they were. We don't know how bad Hitler could have been.
Exactly
Literally! Most deaths under the Nazi regime took place during a few short years of the war. Who knows how much worse it could have been if Germany had actually come out on top.
Another thing to note is that Hitler and the Nazis took pride in their genocidal actions and brutality, while the Soviets tried as much as possible to destroy any evidence as if these people never existed, which is why the estimates are a lot more spotty
@@mafinalmessagechangedaworl7131 Ummm... ever heard of Napoleon Bonaparte?
well... there is evidence that Stalin was planning another purge, this time on the jews, he was stopped because of his death, so we may never know how could it ended up in, but not as far as the holocaust of course
Another thing to keep in mind about Hitler is this. He was losing the war, he could have used the extra hands from the SS to fight on the collapsing front lines. Instead of trying to salvage his situation and save his war effort, he doubled down on the killings and had the camps double their efforts. He literally decided that his genocide needed to keep going even when losing the war. If that's not the most evil thing a dictator can do, I don't know what else.
Someone has been listening tp JBP, but to answer your question they could kill their own people....killing people is obv bad but killing your own people is just heinous
Agreed. Stalin and Mao also ruled longer and died of old age, while Hitler would’ve absolutely killed far more people if given the chance for arguably more malicious reasons. They’re all about as evil as you could get though.
@@nihilistlivesmatterhe doesn't think it's his own poeple, even human.
@@PissedOffCitizens1 who?
@@nihilistlivesmatterAre you talking about Mao?
My great grandfather, a victim of Repression of 37-38. Probably died not even from a direct order from Stalin, but just his general policies on “enemies” to the regimes that were studiously carried out by his henchmen in various Republics across USSR
May he rest in Paradise. My deepest condolences to this injustice. Being from Ukraine, I can relate. It’s crazy how people today will glorify the system and deny the accounts of millions of families as anecdotal evidence.
Это означает что вы говорите по русский ? У меня например мой Пра Пра дед тоже умер в 1937 , вот только это мне не мешает быть сталинистом так как я знаю что его не просто так посадили и после растеряли
@@norlex416 ну ты и пидер комуняка. Это тебя бы расстрелять надо
I’d also add Pol Pot, who oversaw the killing of about a quarter of the Cambodian population during the Khmer Rouge
Yeah I'd say in proportion to population I'd say Pol Pot had the highest number of murders
This!
@@cudanmang_theog Only in your Bizzaro Clown Communist World
@@cudanmang_theog oh sure, they did
@@cudanmang_theog Yet your username sounds Vietnamese. And Vietnam is also communist, so you're finally admitting how evil communism truly is.
The terrifying thing is, if Hitler had reigned longer over Germany, how much deaths would have been caused by him? Because remember, most of those kills happened in the span of 5 years.
Yeah he was only in the office for 12 years but killed it’s estimated to be around 18 to even 30 million, Hideki Tojo was only the leader of the imperial Japanese Army for around six years yet it’s estimate that he killed around 8 to 11 million people.
Allegedly and no i am NOT defending anyone
Before you say anything i would like for you to see david cole's revisionist documentary
Ps "history is told by the victor"
Depends on other factors. He initially wanted to deport Europe’s Jews to Palestine or Madagascar, hence why genocide was the “final solution”.
Goodness that is indeed terrifying to think about
@@crisdlcruz145 You disgust me. You are a Nazi, stop trying to hide behind "I'm not defending anyone" Everyone and their mother knows the like of "History is told by the victor"
Great video! I must comment and show my appreciation for your emphasis on empathy and being sure to conceptualize how large these numbers are. Thank you.
Pol Pot was also one of the most ruthless dictators!
The fact that Hitler was able to kill that many people in that short a span is terrifying. Keep in mind that Stalin and Mao had power for much longer, had hitler’s reign of terror been longer his kill count would’ve been as well. He wouldn’t have stopped at Jews, Slavs, communists and the disabled he would’ve expanded his genocide.
Capitalists love to count the death of Nazis in Stalins "murder" count. The number always changes from 50 million to hundreds of millions. Fuck Stalin, but this line of rhetoric is just old boring capitalist bs propaganda tactics. Capitalists love dictators, just not a dictatorship of the proletariat, but of the capitalist class. A dictatorship of the proletariat is not an actual dictator. That's a misnomer.
Hitler really would have become a supervillain bruh
If he won the war, he would cleanse all of Easter Europe for German settlement, removed all disabled people, homosexuals, Roma, and jews. He wouldn't touch the French, nordics, Italians, Brits, most of balkans (surprisingly) , most likely he would enslave the balkans. It would a horrifying time line, and I would probably be killed for being a slav
Well look at theirs aims, Hitler mostly wanted eliminate the population he considered undesirable. Working them, although to death, was a circumstantial necessity. Stalin and Mao were concerned with redirecting undesirables into being productive and their deaths being a by product of such methods.
@@faith2749 lol he was already there
Ranked by ruthlessness:
1. Hitler (killing some people for existing, and is open with his party about that)
2. Stalin (very sinister and killed people for doing anything slightly wrong)
3. Mao (most deaths due to horrible mismanagement)
Edit ~15 months later: This ranking just referring to the three in the video. There are obviously other beyond horrible, murderous dictators, like Pol Pot, Idi Amin and Macias Nguema. I would also consider King Leopold II, specifically over the Congo ""Free"" State.
that is really true horrible human
Stalin was worst he also hated jews and killed the ingrians and karelians he was the worst
Dang, great job succinctly summarizing it
@@iammrbeat I really agree with him
Pol pot would be on top 1
Love how he’s trying explain empathy to us lol
You'd be surprised how many people are 100% ok with the millions killed by Stalin or Hitler
Learning about such dark times of history I realise how lucky I am and my family, relatives and friends are just to be born in a peaceful country and a peaceful time. I am not very religious but I hope and pray that it will continue for the sake of our children. With the wrong person in power of any country, things can so easily change.
Exactly. Not religious but people need to learn how good we are having it rn.
If you go by proportions, Genghis Khan is still the heavyweight champion. All he had was cavalry with bows,lassos,lances,and swords.
Good point
And how about rating kills by fraction of the world population at the time? I suspect Timur might get the gold medal in that category...
@@robertmiller9735 Tamerlane killed 5% of the worlds population at that time, meaning he was proportionaly the biggest butcher.
nothing like trebucheting corpses into city walls to spread disease
Chaka Zulu did his best,with sppears and clubs.
Sadly, Stalin's mindset of "a single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic," is still used, consciously or not to this day. Take the start of the Covid-19 pandemic, for example. Each death that was reported initially, they mentioned the person's gender and age, but as time went on and the number of Fatal outcomes from contracting Covid skyrocketed, these Fatal outcomes were mere numbers:
"Last week [insert number here] died after a positive test for Covid-19,"
You're using that qoute wrong stalin would probably be very angry at the amout of death despite what you might think he wasn't Trying to get some high score on killings Russia was and is huge was extremely underdeveloped and being attacked by literally nazis
Is famines were common and some of the resources the soviets planned up is still used to this day to help Diminish the severity of famines
we can fully be angery or agure about political Executions
but the famines were never on purpose and thoses deaths are not because of one person or even the Is direct soviets of the area
just like who the great depression wasn't because of one leader but tons of economic factors
I'd say that quote is more an observation of how the human mind works, or rather fails to work. It's far easier for us to imagine and empathize with a small, imaginable number of people than for very large numbers. Large numbers become too abstract for us to invest emotionally.
@@fistpump64 diverting food away from Ukraine wasn't deliberate? Seems like a strange mindset when it's regarded as the worst famine that was caused by human decisions, not caused by external factors (ie drought)
@@fistpump64 I am 100% for correcting any purposefully misleading propaganda regarding Stalin, or the USSR more broadly. But what you’re doing is just spewing propaganda in the opposite direction.
The Holodomor was almost entirely caused by Stalin, Soviet anger toward Ukrainians, and fear of uprisings.
We are talking some 5M dead due to forced collectivization policies, theft of food, blacklisting villages from receiving food, etc.
Leftists need to be the record keepers because almost nobody else is going to do it with any accuracy.
I was just talking to a friend about this the other day.
Mr.Beat, can we get a full release of killing is wrong?
great vid!
but something in common is 2 of those dictators had something in common (ideology) difference in how too implement it but comes from the same fountain
The number of kills may not be as high as Mao Zedong, Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin but in my opinion, Pol Pot, the fascistic Maoist-communist dictator of Democratic Kampuchea from 1975 to 1979 is one of if not the most ruthless dictator in history, his atrocities were endless and utterly heartless, he literally abolished currency, started the super Great Leap Forward which started a massive famine in Cambodia, forcefully evacuated people from cities to the labor camps in the countryside, turned teenagers into mass murderers, destroy intellectualism by killing the smart and making everyone either a peasant or a soldier, massacre ethnic minorities and the religious and last but not least, unleashed one of the most brutal genocide in history on his country where around one fourth of the Cambodian population of eight million people were killed in a span of just 4 years, most of them either starved to death or be brutally tortured or killed in the absolute worst ways possible in the Killing Fields. Pol Pot’s legacy is one of nothing but terror, he left behind a shattered country which today is filled with landmines, mass graves, unexploded bombs, traps, a young population, a deeply scarred history and a mostly ruthless and authoritarian government in Cambodia.
You clearly have never been to a concentration camp
Ahh good old communism
The deaths may not be as high, but proportionality worse than Hitler, Stalin and Mao. Cambodia has a far smaller population than China, USSR, and Nazi occupied Europe, and Pol Pot killed between 25-30% of the Cambodian population in the space of 4 years.
He's extremely underrated as a dictator.
Did Kissinger's role in the bombing of Cambodia leads to the socialist disaster there?
Hitler had the least amount of time out of the three. If he had been able to continue his reign, his dark ambitions would likely led to death counts closer to if not exceedng Stalin and Mao.
On a similar note, Hitler mostly aimed to kill people he considered as 'others', where as Stalin and Mao were responsible for killing mostly their own people.
Hitler was evil and Stalinand Mao absolutely had problems as well but once you cut through 99% of the shit the west writes about thecommunist countries you get a different view on stalin and mao that’s not to say you should believe what idiot communists have to say and deny crimes that were commuted by them but we did lie about stats as well as the stats just not making sense personally counting the nazis and Soviet’s TJAY died in WW2 as “deaths by communism is bs to me and counting people that died from like a heart attack as well. You can not lie about how many people died and still acknowledge crimes that were committed not only that stalin didn’t even gain full power until 1941 I don’t like excusing them like communists do but I’m also aware that we lied about a lot of shit that they did
stalin sent kgb armies behind the red armies to kill retreating soldiers. kgb armies also took all the dog tags of red army soldiers, so they wouldn't be recognized. communist russia was the only country in the entire human existence that did stuff like this. no way hitler would've exceeded that monster.
Speculation Stalin and Mao are still worse
Stalin killed 1.5 million Jews in the holocaust of bullets
The Ukrainians and other ethnicities that are not Russian MIGHT HAVE A WORD WITH YOU.
Mao can be stated to be that maniac that will kill his own people en masses just to achieve the goals of his ideological "utopia". Mao was okay with nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis because he coldly considered that that Communism will ultimately win because there are much more of them than their opponents. All of them are evil and all of them rooted their ideology rooted on Leftism.
Good video tx
I feel like Leopold II and Hirohito should also be mentioned
6:34 To be clear, the person next to Stalin isn't Leon Trotsky but Mikhail Kalinin, the first Presidium of Supreme Soviet.
and the namesake of Kaliningrad
Oh dangit! You're right. Here I thought I was lucky to have found a picture of Stalin next to Trotsky, when it turns out they were all destroyed after all. 😄😑
@@iammrbeat There is a picture of Stalin and Trotsky. It's one at the funeral of Felix Dzerzhinsky. Kalinin is also in that picture but Trotsky is behind him with Stalin on the other side.
One thing about Hitler that I don’t often hear mentioned when discussing his kill count is the lives of soldiers he took. He had an invaluable part in starting WW2 and can be considered largely responsible for the millions of soldiers who died in Europe during that period.
one of the problems with the “black book of communism” is exactly this, it erroneously considers soldiers who died in wwii as “victims” of communism despite pretty much every historian universally saying it was started by either japan or germany
This is exactly what I wish the video had included. An estimated 85 million died in WW2, which Hitler is responsible for starting.
koba and hitler started ww2
the cause for ww2 is much more deeper than just Hitler...
@@georgeiii2998 France and the UK started WW2 by declaring on Germany
My Great Grandmother was in Gulag Camp. One of the soldiers in camp did terrible things to her.
I don't know you but really appreciate your sense of respinsibility and conscience for the wellbeing of mankind👍
Hitler: I've killed the most people
Mao: Remember, there's always an asian better than you
#historyjokes #darkhumor
@@iammrbeat exactly haha best joke heard in a while
Josef Mengele: I’m the most twisted sicko in the world!
Shiiro Ishi: hold my sake
Genghis Khan be like
@@unitedstatesofamerica4737 only Asians can defeat Asians.
I feel like Emperor Hirohito should be in the discussion. Not in terms of deaths, but just due to the sheer brutality employed by the Japanese army in places like Manila and Nanjing is truly frightening. Add Unit 731 to that, and you've got yourself one of the worst people in history
I think Tojo is the man you're thinking of, not Hirohito (Showa), who supported a constitutional monarchy.
Yes, that's who I was thinking of. Thank you. Same criticisms still apply though
I’d go with Tojo not the emperor but the deaths and destruction stack up as well. Around 5-10 million dead in China, possibly more and another several million dead in Southeast Asia.
Hirohito shouldn't really be in the discussion. And just talking about Tojo is incorrect, too. Japan had many "governments" during its military days. Of course, there's Hideki Tojo, but what about Fumimaro Konoe and Kuniaki Koiso? They should also be brought up in the conversation.
@@amazingandrew4328, What happened jn Japan was strange. The military industrial complex went off the rails and hijacked the country's domestic and foreign affairs. The military stopped listening to the civilian government and proceeded to do their own thing. The military was divided into factions competing with one another so logistics were a mess and they lived off the land by subjugating populations to support their war fighting efforts.
Am I the only one who doesn’t know who “Mao” is?
No, it’s just another failure of the education system. I only learned of him through UA-cam.
Because you are stupid, as demonstrated by putting quotation marks to a name. But it's not surprising if you are white because white people are particularly stupid.
You are white so it's not surprising. White people are especially ignorant and stupid.
The fact you put quotation to a name is a clear sign that you are not intelligent to know anything.
Bro graduated from Mcdonalds
My great-grandfather was killed by Mao during the "Campaign to Suppress Counterrevolutionaries" in 1951.
Mr Beat kills boredom and ignorance, usually at the same time.
The monster!!!
Dang, that's kind of you to say, and perhaps my new slogan?
@@iammrbeat Either that or "In Your Heart, You Know He's Right"
@@iammrbeat that or Mr Beat the boredom out of you
He is promoting ignorance, the death tolls he talks about from Stalin and Mao are even higher than the ones from the Black Book of Communist and that book is already complete garbage and says people who weren't born, nazis invading, people who died from famines caused by natural disasters, prisoners from crimes that have nothing to do with ideology among many others are all victims of communism. Also even there the numbers are suuuuuuper inflated and even if they weren't they don't make sense.
The question of "killed" vs. "responsible for the death of" are two different questions with different implications. If Stalin is responsible for the deaths of the Holodomor, then the argument can be made for Irish Potato Famine of the late 1840s and the Bengali famine during WWII being millions of deaths the British government is responsible for.
This isn't a defense of Stalin, but pointing out the ambiguity of these metrics when applied to Western Powers don't look particularly great either-- it's just hidden more by the fact that we just swap out our heads of government more often.
It's not hidden. People knew they just didn't care same with the atrocities Stalin committed. The Reason why it's more known is because it killed far more people by his ideas not for mismanagement like the British empire which was filled by braindead imbred lords that don't even understand how crop cycles work if anything to do with managing a region.
Stalin targeted the people needed to Run the Soviet Union. And for his Ideals the people paid the price
the irish potato famine can be considered a genocide.
@@younggamer7218 Genocide requires the intent of displacing or destruction of an ethnic group from a specific place, something that doesn't apply to the Irish potato famine.
What can be consider as genocide and what can't be consider as genocide depends on narrative of western powers. There's a reason why Stalin & Churchill is no different, and yet considered very different.
would you rather the Irish had suffered at the hands of Hitler instead of the Brits, then? Would you have been any more' free' under Hitlers Death Camp mentality? Cant see Adolf ordering the use of plastic or rubber bullets to control disorder, somehow.
I think i can understand people's respect toward Mao Zedong. I am an Indonesian, we used to have a dictator named Suharto (a dictator your nation helped created). During his reign Indonesia was entering its red scare phase, millions of communists although mostly suspected communist died in the hands of the military. Then the government passed the bill to brand the I.D card of Communist and suspected Communist descendants so that their children and grand children wont be hired in business, can't become a civil servant, all and all just straight up having less rights compared to other average Indonesian.
Thankfully his downfall was not so violent like Sadam Hussein. Suharto ruled Indonesia for 32 years and was a close friend with the U.S a lot of Indonesian hates him, many older generation are nostalgic about his reign especially his strong policies on crime, but every Indonesian regarded him as a National hero why?
This is because he fought against the Invading Netherland and Japanese forces back during the Indonesian revolution.
Indonesia have a saying that "A person is a hero not because of what he did, but because he have done his service to the country".
In Suharto case, "what he have done" is the massacre and later ruthless capitalism and the never ending nepotism. And "his service for the country" was fighting back the Netherland, British, and Japanese Invaders and thus helping to create the Indonesian republic.
To be fair our first president Sukarno, just before Suharto also done a lot of violence but people give him a pass because during his rule Indonesia was very unstable since it just gained its independence and the Invaders are still looking to take back their colony. Sukarno was the one who read the Indonesian proclamation of Indepence he is also the closest to the USSR and friends of North Korea and it was reported that Nelson Mandela respected Sukarno since both of them voiced their utter distaste toward apartheid regimes both in Africa and the Netherland's East Indies colony. Both Sukarno and Suharto are our national heroes.
Sure we wouldn't want these people to take power since their policies are often harmful in some way but in time of crisis you just can't pick and choose who is going to become the liberator of the nation. Mao Zedong was loved because he created the PRC a fought back against the very brutal and cruel occupation of the Japanese invaders and the violence military dictatorship of the Kuomintang he did his duty. Joseph Stalin was loved because despite his tyrannical rule he still lead the Soviet Union to victory against fascist Germany.
Things are not so simple in here. America just got lucky that their first revolutionaries are taking over an already well established settlements with their enemies are of the same background and ethnic as they are (so sorry for the native american though, they deserve better president than George Washington and whoever started the manifest destiny). Some nation had to liberate themselves from Apartheid regime, the absolute hell that is the Japanese occupation, and had to endure the Imperialism of a racist empire like Germany, Italy, Japan, British, Netherland, and Belgium until some brave soul came to power who are brave enough to fight them back only to find out that their policies were not so great when they are in power. Nonetheless people who helped to abolish colonialism and fight against the Japanese empire and Nazi Germany are still worthy of the title "hero".
I'm sorry you feel that way, and I'd like to elaborate on my point:
1, I think that even if Hitler had won and the Germans had ruled the USSR, the Soviets would still have been no worse off than under Stalin. Ditto for China, even if the Japanese win in the end and rule the Chinese, the fate of the Chinese is still a hundred times better than under Mao. A simple comparison would be Taiwan, which Japan ruled for 50 years, and China, which has been repeatedly ruled by foreigners throughout its history, but all of which were far less oppressive to the population than the communist regime under Mao. Nationalism does not hide brutality.
2, the fact that China finally held off the Japanese and won in the end has nothing to do with the Mao-led CCP, even though they spent more than seventy years perfecting that lie. The mainstay of the Chinese army's resistance was never the Nationalist army under Chiang Kai-shek, and the key external force was the United States' fight against Japan in the Pacific and the aid given to the Chinese army. Not only did the CCP led rebels not resist the Japanese, but they have been undermining the Chinese regular army by giving information to the Japanese behind their backs.
3, you only see what Suharto did, but you don't think about the fact that the CCP has been exporting revolutions to Southeast Asian countries and cultivating local communist organizations, and if they had finally won, Indonesia today would be another North Korea, and perhaps another Pol Pot would have come out, and they would have been 10,000 times more brutal than Suharto. This is just like how the Taiwanese, despite their frequent scolding of Chiang Kai-shek for causing the 228 fiasco, similar fiascoes have happened hundreds of thousands of times in mainland China.
Name a more iconic trio... I will wait.
My father always included Pol Pot when speaking of dictators and despots. His numbers were significantly lower than these three, and his time in power continued well into my lifetime which was my dad's point, dictators and despots are not a thing of the past. I grew up in the '80's pretty much, I graduated high school in '88 and the Soviet Union was the only thing we worried about. It was easy to think Hitler was the last of the truly brutal dictators but Pol Pot was going strong until the '90's. We didn't learn about that in school however. I'm grateful my dad was interested in world events. The education system in the US is really lacking. Thank you for presenting the educational content that you create, Mr. Beat. We need more like you.
pol pot is definitely the worst 'communist' dictator. there are a lot of theories about cia funding him to make communism look as bad as possible.
In absolute numbers, he doesn't come close, but in relative numbers, he killed the most of them I guess (1/3 of all cambodians is an unfathomabl large amount)
@@arie9123It's the same with the Armenian genocide: not that many Armenians murdered by actual count, but by the ratio.
kim Jong Un :
When you were growing up, Argentina was a Fascist dictatorship, but nobody remembers that, its just Argentine history. Francisco Franco ran Spain until 1975, and he killed more than anybody wants to admit. Yah, nobody learns about Pol Pot, but that might have something to do with embarrassment from Vietnam.
Wait a second, “Killing is only called murder when it is illegal, and murder is illegal pretty much everywhere.” That would be circular reasoning, this man must be a murderer 🤨
What
TELL NO ONE
What IS circular here?
You are vastly under estimating Stalin.
“He didn’t directly kill them.”
He sent people to Siberia without shelter, without shoes, and without sufficient clothing to keep them warm.
Literally, if you didn’t construct a shelter to live in after he sent you there, you were going to die.
It was “naked and alone” the Siberian addition. This was a death sentence and it was intended as such.
Men, women children, the elderly it didn’t matter. If you were even suspected of speaking ill of the regime you were sent to Siberia to die.
my dad and my uncle went with a protest for Mao Zedong, my dad was imprisoned and nearly died of overworking and starvation. Meanwhile my uncle was executed at the age of 23. My parents moved to the US because my dad was afraid Xi gingping was becoming like a 2.0 of Mao Zedong. So to me, Mao Zedong was the most ruthless.
Shanghai mafia at it again
Fun Fact: Pol Pot killed so much during his reign, the life expectancy for Cambodia in 1977 was 18-19 yrs old
That's not a fun fact
@@jemappllesphan6143 the fact being fun or not is subjective to the reader’s sense of humour
Well that's actually a "Sad Fact."
Average CIA plant be like
@@-gj3nu noo
You should definitely take a look at dictators who the US replaced with other dictators, like Pinochet, because I’ve been seeing a lot of ‘history’ channels which downplay the atrocities committed by one of the sides, for some sort of ideological reason.
Communists don't count as humans
Of course. Some examples to look up if curious are
-Ngo Dinh Diem
-Mohammand Reza Pahlav
-Fulgenco Batista
-Augusto Pinochet
-Suharto
-Agha Yahya Khan
-Juan Perón
-Park Chung-hee
And many more..
Edit: Pol pot is a bit tricky. Comments below explained better
Most definitely. Great suggestion. I recommend the book "Overthrow" by Stephen Kinzer
@@NinjabeeRedtricity the us opposed Pol Pot until the Vietnamese invasion. The U.S. actively fought against him taking power so he wouldn’t count for this specific list.
@@rorymosley9356 thanks for the clarification
US law defines all killing as "homicide". We use words like "justifiable" and "accidental" to differentiate legal homicide from illegal homicide. We do not see ALL killing as bad, and we should not. Self defense, protecting one's own life or that of another is NOT a bad thing. All killings are NOT EQUAL.
Thanks beat
Also, I think it is an injustice to blame state terrorism on one single man. The systematic or accidental killing of people, through murder or neglect, CANNOT be the sole responsibility of one single person. It took the cooperation of hundreds of thousands if not millions of other people to make such events possible. They too are to be responsible, even if not at the same level as those with power, those with influence
Thank you for bringing this point up
You make a good point when it comes to the Communist states, but the Nazi system in 1930s Germany was created by Hitler and less than a dozen other men at the very top of the NSDAP.
@@johanrunfeldt7174 And how many people stood in solidarity with the NSDAP in Germany? How many soldiers were involved in all the acts of state terrorism of Nazi Germany? Power, can be both voluntary and involuntarily, power comes from the command of the use of violence, and it takes many many men to exercise that use of violence and many more unarmed men to silently or openly support it
Hitler was the loudest.
Stalin was the most persistent
Mao was the quietest
How to describe Leopold II and Pol Pot?
Chinese names are the other way around. The family name of Mao Zedong is Mao, not Zedong
@@chongjunxiang3002 don’t forget about Hideki Tojo.
@@chongjunxiang3002 the forgotten
@@pleaseenteraname1103 he didn't count any wartime deaths which is also why khan didn't show up. Otherwise, Hitler would outweigh them heavily and Stalin and to a lesser degree Mao would have many extra deaths resulting from killing fascists and Nazis (which were some of the few good things they did)
Hitler : Mass genocide of civillians who are jewish.
Stalin : Starvation and killings of people who disagreed.
Mao : Starvation and war.
I had my US history EOC today, and the only reason I'm confident I did well is probably because of this channel.
wait..... are you who i think you are?
THAT IS AWESOME. But I don't want to take that much credit. I'm confident you did well because of your curiosity and hard work.
@@Happy156 who?:o
@@iammrbeatman, you're so awesome :D
I got a 5 on it because of channels like these
you also have to consider that Mao and Stalin reigned longer and controlled larger countries than Hitler
Hitler, Stalin and Leopold show that it doesn't matter what side of the political compass you lie in, monsters can emerge from any of them
It shows they're all authoritarian and that's something we should avoid
@@davidmccarroll2280 I mean America is democratic and it is still guilty of the sin of genocide. We just don't contribute it to one man's will like we do the Holocaust. Not that I disagree with you on being anti-authoritarian, it's just that ethnic cleansing is not an evil unique to dictatorships
What’s mind blowing is that these things started less than 100 years
When you realize Hitler was Austrian and Stalin was Georgian.
I knew about hitler but stalin ? That surprised me
Well When he was born Georgia was still part Of Russia while Hitler was born in Austria but imigrated to Germany and saw himself as Germans
@@iamthing4460 i always thought it's common knowledge.
@@dimeswrth4021 i thought he was russian
And Napoleon was from Corsica. Which is interesting when you look at the parallels between the three dictators
This “three great dictators” question is so flawed. And I’m unsure what sources Mr Beat is using, but I think he’s seriously overestimated Stalin’s impact and underestimated Hitler’s.
Estimates of excess mortality under Stalin are much more accurate since the Soviet archives were declassified in the ‘90s. Wikipedia is far from perfect but there’s a good article on “Excess mortality in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin” that gives an estimate of about 9 or 10 million preventable deaths. Roughly 3 million from the Gulag system and Great Purge, and 7 million from famines. I don’t know how Mr Beat reached 40 to 60 million.
Also I find it strange to gloss over the *25 million* soviets and 1 million Western Allies killed by Hitler’s aggressive war machine. Just the death toll inflicted in Operation Barbarossa is larger than Mr Beat’s estimate. My estimate for Hitler is about 42 million killed in only a few years: Holocaust (6 million), occupation of Poland (5 million), operation Barbarossa (25 million), western allies (1 million), German soldiers killed (5 million). I think it’s reasonable to include German soldiers killed as Hitler’s responsibility since he threw them into a preventable aggressive war. Also this doesn’t include what hitler WOULD HAVE DONE had he won the war…
Anyway, maybe I just dislike this whole discussion of “the three
Great dictators”. Why not include Hirohito? His war machine killed about 24 million people in a few years (19 in China, 4 in Indonesia, 1 in Indochina). Why not include King Leopold the Second? His rubber terror killed perhaps 10 million Congolese in the early 20th century. Why not include various British Administrations/ Indian Viceroys who oversaw the starvation of tens of millions of Indians in the late 19th century? Why not mention Thomas Midgley, Jr., who invented leaded gasoline responsible for perhaps 100 million deaths (Veritasium just put out a great video of this so it’s on my mind!). And so on.
I guess i just think people should broaden their horizon from just Hitler, Stalin, Mao. Plus, I dislike reducing the complexity of the world down to just a few numbers/ death statistics as if that’s the way to make sense of history (mr beat did kind of acknowledge this). Anyway, I usually really like Mr Beat’s stuff!
Edit: thanks for corrections saying responsibility for Japanese actions in wwii lies more with the military leadership than with Hirohito. Fair point.
The thing about Hirohito is that he wasn't technically a dictator. Japan was under a fascist-militarist oligarchy during that time
@@rithvikmuthyalapati9754 sure that’s fair, I guess there was a larger clique responsible for the Japanese atrocities of the war. Though tbh I suspect that’s the case with ALL atrocities - it’s probably really simplistic to say that “person X is responsible for however many deaths”. In reality there are always enablers and larger systems that also bear responsibility. Admittedly I fell into this simplistic trope a bit with my initial comment! Anyway, point taken regarding the Japanese leadership.
I agree with you that his estimates about Stalin, and Hitler is definitely responsible for more deaths than him, but I don’t think every war casualty in Europe should be put under him, as there were plenty of Axis Allied states doing there own thing, though most of them were at least coerced into doing so due to the Third Empire.
@@jryan2552 ha good point. I’m almost starting to think that the real world is all too complicated to simply say “person X killed however many people”! Maybe it’s better to look at the responsibility of systems rather than individuals. Does that mean the whole premise of the question of the video is flawed? 😅
I love you thanks for this comment.
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I hate to be a smart-ass, but Stalin did not become the dictator of the USSR until after Lenin died in 1924.
I would like to remind those seeking to judge who is evilest base on who killed the most that to quantify the evil of the perpetrators is to degrade the suffering endured by the victims.
Body count does not inform us to the evil that humanity can perpetrate against itself.
I might say they were still similar in that aspect, most died in camps or starving in camps. The real question is was it from malice or incompetence?
@@reeseman1932 A combination of the two mostly.
@@poankiyu7664 yeah that’s true good point
Well put, Otto
Yeah, people when judging dictators are incredibly focused on body count and nothing else.
thanks you friend
I don't think any of those three leaders had the slightest knowledge of what their decisions were doing to their population. Hitler never visited his concentration camps. Stalin never went to Siberia, he preferred his luxurious life in his many palaces and mao was also a multi- billionaire, so that he was rarely seen outside of his estates ...
Hitler knew what the final solution was and stalin new how many people he was killing with forced labor and executions. Mao may have just been really ignorant
毛泽东是亿万富翁？拜托，不懂可以不说话😅
"Killing is wrong. And bad. There should be a new, stronger word for killing. Like badwrong, or badong. Yes, killing is badong. From this moment, I will stand for the opposite of killing: Gnodab."
No joke, Kung Pow is one of my favorite movies
I used to watch your videos like 6 years ago and I remember when you had a very small amount of subscribers and I saw this in my recommended today and I was surprised you were still making content. Great job.
Mr. Beat once slaughtered a whole island in the East Indies.
I think a question to ask is how we attribute responsibility. Hitler's numbers effortlessly dwarf anyone else's if you consider him responsible for the deaths caused by the European side of the second world war. I personally think in comparisons like these there is a downplaying of how bad Hitler was because certain political interests want to play up the numbers of the left wing regimes for political purposes.
The total number of people who died in Europe during the whole of World War II still adds up to far less than the number of deaths directly caused by Mao alone, who caused China to lose about 40 million people in the three-year period 1959-1961, and if all his crimes since he came to power are counted, the number of people killed will probably reach more than 80 million.
Of course, part of this is due to China's huge population, and if we go by proportions, Pol Pot is better than Mao ever was in this regard, but Cambodia's population is so small.
@@RottenReelRoll Death counts attributed to the European theater in WWII exceed 40 million in a number of different counts, but again this just gets at what my comment was driving towards, that it will hinge on how one chooses to attribute responsibility. What counts are considered valid, who is at fault, etc. these decisions can be driven by political goals and motivated reasoning pretty easily. A lot of criticism of these dictatorships attribute deaths to results of "bad policy" like if people die because they starve, but it isnt common practice to count starvation deaths in 3rd world countries as a result of decades or centuries of colonial exploitation and claim these are deaths caused by Queen Victoria or whatever. I'm not saying these dictatorships are good or worth defending, but rather that we should examine critically the various motivations clearly at play when these comparisons are made, and what kind of accounting is going on and why those numbers are being chosen. They can be chosen to push agendas now.
@@mind_onion Your thoughts above are actually somehow why I replied to you. The West today is so generally left-leaning that many people have a natural affinity for regimes established by the left, rather than recognizing the fact that almost all of the worst disasters in human history have been brought about by left-wing regimes, and in addition to the communist movement that brought about the demise of several countries around the world in the twentieth century, there was also an even worse one in the nineteenth century that caused the deaths of more than 100 million people "Taiping Heavenly Kingdom Movement", also caused by far-left regimes and similar in philosophy to communism.
None of these aforementioned disasters had anything to do with other factors, such as natural disasters, but were brought about by the political movements themselves. The general lack of awareness of the great dangers of the left among Westerners today is due to the fact that they have never lived in a country where the left-wing movement was absolutely dominant; they did not live in the Soviet Union and Cambodia, in North Korea, or in China, and do not understand how horrible the secular state formed by the left-wing regimes that came to power was, and that the China of the 1960's was far, far more horrible than the Germany of the 1940's . However, because of the distance and language barrier, Westerners only have some distant imaginations about this, and cannot have a personal experience.
If history is still too far away for you, take a look at today's China, which is experiencing a resurgent movement of left-wing thinking, and the victims are not only Chinese, but Xi Jinping is also infiltrating and bribing the West through the entire state propaganda machine, brainwashing the West's youth through tiktok, and indoctrinating them with lies in bulk.
Do you know how shocked I was when I saw communist flyers while hanging out at McGill University and heard students discussing how successful the Chinese model was and saw how great some thought Mao's policies were?
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@@RottenReelRoll So basically you're ignoring my comments about the importance of critical analysis to just propagandize a political narrative? I've no love for the chinese regime, but what you're saying is just empty abstract fear mongering. If people are threatened by propaganda efforts the solution is critical thinking, being able to recognize when people are distorting things to fit purposes, not to just propagandize them more.
@@mind_onion This is the saddest part, people are blinded by politics and recognize facts as "empty abstract fear-mongering".
I used to be a researcher on the history of the Communist Party and spent time in Chinese prisons as a dissident political prisoner, and when I finally escaped from that prison and came to the West, I found that there was a widespread belief that the brutality of the leftist regimes was just propaganda and a distortion of the facts by conservative media outlets for political needs.
My cousin, who grew up in Canada, is a staunch leftist and, like most young people today, believes that the English-speaking world's view of communism is a "shameful media lie". When I told him how many innocent Americans and Canadians I had met in Chinese prisons who had been illegally imprisoned during the trade war between the United States and China, he told me scornfully that they deserved it and that they must have violated Chinese law.
Once you've decided that this is all "political propaganda", nothing will change your mind except your own experience.
The first minute of this video is definitely going to get tweeted by the Mr. Beat out of context Twitter account
And the internet will forever know me as an innocent man!
I’d love to see a video of Leopold II. Horrible, atrocious, evil ruler that should be in conversation with these 3 evil rulers as well.
Great video as always Mr. Beat!
It feels like the data reference for the video is as good as finding a gypsy on the street and asking for it, and then starting to make a video, with no reference on multiple fronts.
I like Mr Beat but it’s hard to find information on him because of Mr Beast. If I search up your name I find a bunch of stuff about the latter.
Another interesting way of comparing history's tyrants is madness. A metric that can shade light on perhaps less well known but still horrible dictators like Francisco Macías Nguema or Francois Duvalier, who are often overlooked in "worse dictators" tier lists thanks to having caused a comparatively small number of deaths.
Yeah I ought to make a video about psychopathy.
One honorable mention by me would be gengis khan and his mongol successors who killed an estimated 10% of humanity
@ThelastTiger yea i sadly agree with you
That's the equivalent to 700 Million people dying.
On the photo on 6:32 isn’t Trotsky but Mikhail Kalinin who looks quite similarly
Thanks for your research and information you brought to our attention. although i would like to kindly ask you to add one more name to your list , which is associated with Turkish government representatives in early 1900s killed over 1.5 million Armenians. that was sadly the first and the largest Genocide of 20th Century.
As for the deaths constantly quoted under Mao, the exaggerate claims of deaths from starvation were not increased but decreased from the deaths *before* Mao’s reforms owing to Western imperialist interference with China prior to 1950. Look up life expectancy data from 1950 to 1970, and multiply that through the large population. Mao brought live expectancy from 45 to 70 over his career, literacy from 10% to 80%. I sympathize with you as I used to have similar notion but after a lot of work realized I was completely brainwashed within Australia. Upon a lot of research it turns out that Mao did exceedingly more for the people of China than he caused problems and without Mao and their liberation of China from capitalists in the early 1950s, the whole county of China would have followed a path similar to India or Indonesia which both had a similar (even slightly better) initial conditions. Now China has eliminated poverty and has far better health care, higher literacy, economic mobility and business than India or Indonesia and is even catching up to the West which it was exceedingly behind in 1950s when Britain was still bribing and calling the shots over there.
Suuuuure...
Good comment debunking Amerikkkan lies
@@tomassmith1519 ok amerikkkan puppet
@@ytweirdgameryt6907 Wait a minute. Are you being paid?
Literacy rates increase when you kill everyone that can’t read. Mao is evil
What about winston churchill? I'd be interested in seeing that, someone who we don't often think of in that way in western society, but churchill was bloody. Outside of ww2, bengal famine and general conflict in india led to millions of deaths
He also tried to poison Germany’s food supply with Anthrax
He was so racist to Indians and was very comfortable to Adolf Hitler and said that "If was an Italian I would so willing to voted for Bonito Mussolini to fight against on Leninismn."
India was not self sufficient in food supply before the war and the bengal famine is unfortunately just another famine in a long list of famines on the Indian subcontinent - ultimately Japan is to blame if there is anyone to blame
Ooh that’s a good idea. I’d love to see the death counts of traditionally “good” figures
Where are you getting 10s of millions from? The highest estimate I’ve seen is just under 4 million. As for the conflict in India, are you referring to the Japanese invasion or the decolonization process? One of those was the Japanese’s fault and the other was the result of horrific mismanagement by the British overall at a time when Churchill was not even Prime Minister.
6:33 The one picture below is really of Trotsky, but the picture above is not of Trotsky, sitting next to Stalin in the picture is Mikhail Kalinin🙂
I think this discussion once again proved that dictators are more efficient.
Currently living and teaching at a university in China (although planning to return to the US soon), and one thing that often shocks me, along with the general veneration of Mao (a given), is how often I hear my students speak of Hitler in glowing terms. (I usually get about one or two in every class, and they speak openly with no protest from their peers.) I suppose that when you're educated to revere one dictator and ignore his mass-murdering flaws, it's easier to excuse the others, too.
Keep in mind, these people are divorced from a European cultural context, so they unfortunately won't have that ingrained animosity towards Nazi Germany.
Think of it like this, if you asked a Chinese person what they think of imperial Japan or Hirohito, they'll sound a lot like a Western person talking about Hitler. Meanwhile, many from the West understand little of how bad Japan really was during World War 2. Some might even respect the aspects of their culture that lead to imperialism.
Obviously, these are both bad and should be addressed, but it's hard to educate someone about an entirely different region than the one they live in.
@@paulsoroka621 makes sense
yikes, I wonder if this desensitization enables the circumstances of having concentration and labour camps.
Because past history is more cruel. China died in weakness in the past, the other died in progress, of course the Chinese know what is good and bad. Your history teacher won't teach you that in 1911-1949, an average of 3-7 million people died of famine each year. Over 200 million people starved to death
1920-1921 Great Famine in Four North China Provinces: More than 10 million people died;
In 1925, the five provinces of CHUAN/QIAN/XIANG/E/GAN were famine, and the number of deaths is unknown;
1928-1930 famine in eight northern provinces: more than 13 million people died. The disaster lasted from 1928 to 1930, and about 10 million people died of starvation in the wasteland. The original population of Shaanxi was 13 million. During the three years of great famine, more than 3 million people died of starvation and epidemics, and more than 6 million were displaced, which together accounted for 70% of the province's population. The number of refugees is estimated to be around 50 million;
Famine in 1931: There were 11 floods in the Yangtze River from 1931 to 1949, of which more than 140,000 people died in the two floods in 1931 and 1937. In 1931, 100 million people were affected. After the floods, the number of deaths due to hunger and plague reached 3 million. people;
From 1936 to 1937, the Sichuan-Gansu famine: all counties outside the Chengdu Basin were disaster areas, and about 37 million people were affected, and the number of deaths is unknown;
1941 Guangdong famine, the death toll is unknown;
1942 Central Plains Famine: 5 million people starved to death in Henan Province alone;
1943 Guangdong famine, 3 million people died of starvation;
In 1945, the number of disaster victims in Northeast and XIANG/YU/QIAN/LU/ZHE/MIN/JIN/YUE/WAN/GUI and other provinces reached 19 million, and the number of deaths is unknown;
The Great Southern Famine of 1946 and 1947: 17.5 million people starved to death in Guangdong/Guizhou/Xiang provinces alone in two years.
IMO, the biggest difference between Hitler and Mao/Stalin is how they are viewed in their home countries today. Stalin and Mao are generally still viewed positively by current Russia and China, respectively, despite their atrocities, whereas with Hitler, that's certainly not the case in Germany
Obviously there are people in China and Russia that don't view Mao and Stalin positively but I'd say the general feeling is they view them as the leaders who turned around their countries
you forgot to add two more cruel rulers who are in the same class as Queen Vitoria of Great Britain and Leopold II of Belgium
For all these dictators you can also take in the deaths caused by the wars they fought
Harry Truman racked up a lot of kills too.
Lol man Mr. Beat is so underrated. In 0:47 in and already lol’ing. Wish this dude would have taught my history class, would have paid attention much more.
This was very insightful and informative with no bias thank you much for this video
The camps Mao had were called Laogais, which is something referenced in Avatar the Last Airbender
you could share this video with your grama; kinda ironic considering that my finger slipped and I accidentally casted the video to her TV; needless to say, she was ABSOLUTELY PISSED! She said" GET THIS OFF MY TV RIGHT NOW ELSE IM GOING TO GET RID OF ALL YOUR TVS!"
Stalin did kill many but 40-60 million is just wrong.
Most resent estimates show it is around 8 - 17 million which of course is still horrible.(famines included). Even if you just look at the Soviet population changes 40-60 million is just impossible. There was constant population growth during Stalins reign execpt in 1941-1945. 40-60 million people of 1939 population of the USSR it would be around 24%-36%. Even the heavily criticized book the black book of communism only claims 20 million for the entire existence of the Soviet Union.
Here is a quote from the Wikipedia criticism section "Moreover, three of the book's main contributors (Karel Bartosek, Jean-Louis Margolin, and Nicolas Werth) publicly disassociated themselves from Courtois' statements in the introduction and criticized his editorial conduct. Margolin and Werth felt that Courtois was "obsessed" with arriving at a total of 100 million killed, which resulted in "sloppy and biased scholarship", faulted him for exaggerating death tolls in specific countries, and rejected the comparison between Communism and Nazism." In USSR's case the number is wrong because of counting non-births as deaths, Including Nazis killed, counting deportations as deaths and just generally rounding things up.
In Mao Zedongs case the number is closer to some other sources but even those generally stop at around 40 million. It is also dishonest to say 60 million is a LOW END estimate while the actual low end estimates are around 15 million or so.
Bullsh*t. The bolsheviks alone murdered tens of millions of innocent civilians when they seeded communism in 1917.
The Black Book of Communism and its consequences have been a disaster to political discourse.
Can we count colonial governments for their acts of genocide?
While the numbers may be spotty, I’d imagine the Latin American Encomienda System would rank quite far up there in the list of genocides.
In addition, the British systematic starvation of India could also count as a genocide, as it was similar to the Holodomor and had an overall death count of roughly 6 million ish people.
Which famine are you talking about? The Brits starved India often and took whatever they wanted out of the dying hands.
I don’t think you can call Indian famines genocide.
Neither the Holodomor nor the 1943 Bengal Famine were genocides. At best, they were grossly mismanaged and peddled by some political/racial (respectively) biases, but neither were created inorganically. They are not genocides, but do contain acts of cruelty and incompetence.
Also, I believe both famines were around the 4 million mark, not 6.
Yeah, whichever it is, if the holodomor was a genocide then Britain's starvation of India certainly was, if it wasn't then it wasn't. They belong in the same category as callous and selfish acts of negligent killing through starvation attributable primarily to one "great leader"
6:36 could you provide a source for this? The only sources reference the holodomor and that was 1933-1934 and it was only 1.2 million that died and that was due to a world wide drought and not stalins policy
Soviet population increased about 19 million between 1930 and 1950 while the us increased about 28 million and the only major discrepancy would be the war, aside from that it was an extremely similar growth rate, on top of that the population growth between 1920 and 1940 of the soviet union seemed to be faster than the US, according to what you said this would be impossible
Please include Churchill also.
The British Empire is unparalleled in atrocities. Under 100 million deaths is literal rookie numbers compared to what Colonization did in the Americas, Africa, and South East Asia.
while I'd agree that the British Empire as a whole likely killed more, keep in mind that they weren't going out in most cases to actively mass kill people; it was a case of mismanagement and fucking around with established systems that they didn't know anything about. Also keep in mind the British Empire lasted almost 300 years, and had more time (and regimes) to accrue a body count. Hitler had a decade, Stalin about 2 and a half decades, and Mao about 3 and a half decades. It's disingenuous to say that they wouldn't have killed as many people as the British Empire did, given the chance.
This video doesnt compare countries though, it compares specific leaders
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@@urmum3773 Damn you tryna troll hard are ya?
I've seen most estimates of the Gulag system resulting in 1,6 to 1,7 million deaths which amounts to around 10% of those who went through it. Attrocious but a far cry from this estimate. May I ask what source you got it from?
Agreed dude. I thought it was pretty conclusive since the Soviet archives were largely declassified in the ‘90s. From memory, something like 16 to 18 million people entered the Gulag system from 1923 to 1956 and 1.7 million of them died. No clue where mr beats numbers are from.
@@timm8442 exactly. That's what surprised me. Moreover his low estimate for total deaths in the USSR doesn't even correlate with the number given in the black book of communism.
@@timm8442 and congrats on your memory. the numbers correlate with those given by historians after access was granted to the archives
My guess is the ever trustworthy Black Book of Communism. You can look up it’s shady BS if you’re not already familiar.
@@Da_King_o_yamom I am aware. That's why I used it as an example. Because even a book as controversial as that doesn't give half of the lower estimate.
0:50 Yeah I dance to my own songs lmfao this guy is a menace
6:29 the guy on the left is Kalinin not Trotsky
I love the information, the video is just great as well as your content thank you for making me love history!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video. Thanks Mr. Beat!
Thank YOU Ivan
Killing is bad (accidently steps on a bug)
Please include and compare Churchill also
the fact churchill isn't mentioned he the biggest murderer
Not defending him in the slightest, but the video is about numbers; Churchill killed an estimated 3-7 million people in the famines in India, outside of that the numbers are negligible; compare that with the monstrous numbers of Mao, Stalin, and Hitler; suddenly Churchill looks like a loving guy. (He still wasn’t). Once again, I want to reïterate that I am not, in any way, defending Churchill’s actions.
Hitler:I’m insane, I’m proud.
Stalin:What did you just say about me?
Mao:Oopsies!
its worse they were not insane
Hi mr. Best! Good video as always. I have a question tho: When counting the ppl killed, do you count wars involving the dictators? Is there a difference between the deaths resulting from defensive wars or aggressive wars? By merely ordering troops to battle one could say the leader is responsible for deaths. For example, I know you counted the deaths resulting from the shoah and the other genocides perpetrated by The nazis, but should you count the deaths resulting from the nazi military operations and non-genocide nazi kills?
That's a great question. I think war changes things dramatically, because all the "rules" are typically thrown out the window. For this video, I focused on how these three leaders governed, not how they went to war.
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Why not count all the deaths in WWII (at least in the European theaters) to Shitler? His aggressive policies and actions were the cause of WWII, and so it would make sense to count all those who died as a result of invading Poland and what followed thereafter.
Then for Stalin you can count Soviet casualties and those the Germans and other Axis powers suffered on the Eastern Front
Edit: Not "you" in particular, I'm being hypothetical and addressing the "royal you" in case anyone else had similar thoughts
War deaths shouldnt count here. It would make G.W. Bush the biggest murderer of the 21th century
@@iammrbeat It seemed you at least counted the 20 million soviet deaths at the hands of Hitler's forces but what about the 80% of germans that died in the eastern front
@@iammrbeat So you include deaths from famines in the USSR and China that were due, in large part, to natural causes as valid victims for your death toll, but you exclude people who were actually killed by Nazi soldiers as invalid victims? Some estimates show the Nazis as reponsible for as many as 20million deaths in the USSR alone due to all the death and desctruction they caused on their march to Moscow...
short answer : mao
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Mr Beat out of curiosity have you ever looked into the current status of the Romani people of Europe? We hear about them also being victims in the Holocaust as mentioned in this video but here in the US most of us don't really know that much about them.
I found out however that in Europe that attitudes towards them are extremely negative. Some countries like Italy had polls taken where like over 80% of the population dislikes them and on the internet that conversation is even worse with how blatant the language is which is pretty concerning
This is well documented. However, you're right that not enough people in the United States know about it.
@@iammrbeat I found out about it recently after going down a rabbit hole for class one day and yeah oh man I did not know it was this bad. A lot of the attitudes and rhetoric reminds me of what was said about European Jews in the 18th and 19th centuries but in the modern day
The dislike is caused by them integrating terribly, this was caused by the communists in the case of Eastern Europe.
@@evzenvarga9707 Eastern Europe actually does a significantly better job at integrating them than Western Europe. Soviet Roma-Gypsies were often protected by their fellow Soviet citizens during the holocaust.
The fact that Europe really dislikes Roma (or gypsies) is partially due to the fact that they're a group with an enormous marginalization rate. Unemployment, drug dealing, crime, are much higher amongst Roma than any other minority. Of course, that doesn't justify racism. The cause of why Roma are so poorly integrated in society is complex, and very old. They've been discriminated for centuries, so marginality is ingrained in their traditional culture. Not easy to solve such a problem. I live next to a Roma community (in Spain), so it may be different in other European countries, but in my personal experience they're far from the most discriminated groups nowadays. Racists in Spain tend to target blacks and moroccans far more. As an interesting note, some years ago our town organized a tour for those Roma who wanted to visit Matthausen, the Nazi camp where most Spanish died, many of them Roma.
I'm proud of you, Mr Beat, not killing anyone, not even once
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