US pilot captured by the Soviet Union - Forgotten History
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- The Cold War was at its height and the U.S. had been flying Lockheed U-2 high altitude reconnaissance aircraft operated by the Central Intelligence Agency and flown by military pilots. The dangers posed by the Soviet Union were taken seriously, and the Eisenhower Administration wanted to know more about Soviet capabilities, especially their nuclear missile launch sites. Written and hosted by Colin D. Heaton. Forgotten History is a 10th Legion Pictures Production.
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The CIA is always getting us in trouble
That is their job.
Sadly, they don't seem to be good at their one job.
Shit rolls downhill. It's command who is always getting us in trouble.
The B52, 707, DC-8, and the F4 came out of the 1950’s too. It was an amazing period in aviation history.
As well as the F-100, F-101, F-102, F-106, B-58.
My dad flew the RB66 that came out of that era, not a great plane but it served well. A plane from his Sqaundron was shot down over Soviet Air Space in 1964 by a Mig21. We moved from France that year, it was when DeGaulle was in office
@@jakeroberts7435 I once saw A3’s in movie. I can’t remember which film, but to me, they looked like they would make cool passenger planes.
@@joshuastavos4376 That was the Navy's version, don't know of the movie. The EB66 was used in Viet Nam, there's a movie called "Bat 21" with Gene Hackman and Danny Glover with the plane in it, pretty good movie.
@@jakeroberts7435 that must have been the movie and I thought it was an A3! I used to make plastic model airplanes. I never made an A3 but looked for pictures matching what I saw in the movie and found a picture of an A3.
Once again another story that I cannot wait to share with my grandfather. He loves when I come over and watch your videos with him as he is a vietnam veteran and u.s. marine corps. Top notch as always! He really enjoyed your video on LBJ as that is a man that he cannot stand to this day as well as many other vietnam vets.
Sounds like he’s lucky to have you and vice versa
Best Wishes to both of You Shain.
I'm of similar age as your grandfather. Count me as one of those who hated Johnson. I was Air Force.
Another good morning commute! As always thanks Colin Heaton
Thanks again!
We will never fully know how well the U-2 and the SR-71 served us during their service lives. Being a Retired Helicopter Pilot, Gary Powers's helicopter accident was tragic, yet what he did to avoid children on the ground is very telling of who the man was. As for Rudolf Able, he served his country well. The Soviets spied on Us, and we spied on them. There was an agreement made that, well, you get caught, and you will get traded. One of the reasons they didn't go to town on Gary is the simple fact that Stalin was not running the place anymore. The Nikkita could not do the things Joseph did, and neither could the ones that came after Nikkita, and that was the beginning of how the Soviet Union would collapse. There was no other way than to rule but with an Iron fist and plenty of states, murder to keep people in line. Bridge of Spies, is a great movie by the way.
Colin - how do you guys put out such good episodes as often as you do? It seems like there’s a new episode almost everyday!
We try to post twice a week. We have a great team, all military veterans. We appreciate it!
Great mini doc Prof. Heaton! I remember when stationed at MCAS El Toro, CA we could hear Gary Power’s airborne traffic reports. He would begin his report with “this is Gary Powers, your spy in the sky, with a traffic update”. What a riot!
As a young person, it was an amazing time to be alive. Thanks for all You do Colin. Best Wishes to everyone at Forgotten History.
I grew up in Sunnvale CA and remember the converted U2s that NASA had for weather observation taking off and landing at Moffett Field. They shot up like a dart and made a tremendous roar doing so. "Dragon Lady" indeed! Thanks again Colin for another great episode.
I know of this incident. Do you have one on the USS Publeo? Thank you again , sir.
History lies as you know. Look at us now in 2024.
Pueblo coming in the future.
@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL This one should be good.
Do you know John Stockwell, ex-CIA officer, whistle blower, Central America, Congo, ex- Vietnam veteran? I think he is still living around 84 years old.
Happy Memorial Day, sir.
I haven't celebrated for years. I celebrate veterans for peace . Thank you for your service also in America and history. By the way, I have to June 13th, 2024, to keep my membership. Keep it honest, sir, and I will continue my membership.
Do you have one of the Melai Massacres in Vietnam ? He was from Georgia .How did he end up being the scapegoat? Did he die a drunk in NYC
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For me, the amazing thing about the U2 is that it outlived its replacement, the SR71, and is still in use despite the Global Hawk drone.
Thanks. I have a goal to learn something every day. This met my quota.
Thank you sir as I remember those days of "Duck and Cover".
I thought I knew everything about Powers, but leave it to Forgotten History to prove me wrong. Thank you Dr Heaton!
Thank you for the story. My dad flew recon over eastern radars, bird-dogging, making them light up.
He lost friends. He did not have any kind words for Powers. His list of medals spread resentment. Trivia Note: Powers was not in military when brought down.
No he was on CIA retention but still retained his rank.
My great uncle flew the U2. We knew nothing about it until his death.
Same. We never knew his record until we had him transported stateside(You need permission to fly from one region to another, if u are ill/compromised.) and the hospital CO checked his past .
My dad flew missions over USSR, mostly eastern. Not a word from him
Eisenhower was the perfect president for that time. Who else but the Supreme Allied Commander?
One of the last books great aviation author Earnest Gann wrote was called Black Watch and was about the spy planes. One of my fellow airline pilots flew U2s and remembers Gann coming to the squadron to do research and sctually got a flight in s 2 xest version. A good read.
Good video as always, gave more of an insight.
Glad to hear it!
I remember this well
Thanks for watching
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL I but a little tyke when this happened, my dad was stationed in England. We moved to France and lived outside of an Air Base, a plane was shot down from his Sqaundron for flying over Soviet Airspace, an RB66. It was in 1964 and not quite the egg on the face as the U2, but still.
Great video. I'm about halfway through it now, so if you cover what I'm about to say then I apologize. But most people don't.
Think this one all the way through.
Lee Oswald "defected" to the USSR. Not long afterwards Oswald was allowed to return to the US, without so much as an intelligence interview and with no questions asked. Immediately afterwards he was working a CIA job making maps of Cuba, down in Louisiana. That's right. This was a disgruntled American who defected to the USSR, who was allowed to return no questions asked and had a job as soon as he got back that required a security clearance.
And how did Oswald get his original security clearance? Well, he was in the Marine corps working in Japan, and needed a security clearance to do his job there.
Are you following me? So what was his job in Japan that required a security clearance? Oh yeah, that's right, he was a radar operator for The U2 program run by the CIA.
How Is this relevant to Francis Gary Powers? Well, powers were shut down in a U2 just a couple of months after Oswald's "defection" to the USSR.
Think it all the way through. Oswald was not the only recently discharged marine "disgruntled" and "defecting" to the Soviet Union at that time. There were half of dozen of them. The Soviets were not stupid. The KGB certainly were not stupid. They saw this wave coming in and they knew exactly why most of them were doing it (to spy for the United States, obviously). But if they were going to have one that got through scrutiny by making them believe he was the real deal, enough to let him anywhere near and he actual information, well that one was going to have to look different from the others. He was going to have to give them something of value.
He was a U2 radar operator, and a couple of months after he got there they suddenly figured out how to shoot down a U2.
I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but the fact is I don't do conspiracy theories. This is all stuff you can look up just as easily as I have been able to. Most of it's been declassified. The only reason most people don't know about it is that nobody looks. They waited a half a century until nobody cared before declassifying most of this stuff. But it's all right there for the taking now.
Don't take my word for it. Check it out for yourself.
The Soviets also shot down one of their own MiG-19 fighters with a SAM during the same incident in which Gary Powers was shot down.
I think it would be interesting if you would do a deep dive episode on the *second* U-2 pilot shot down by the Soviets...No one talks about him, and we rarely see any videos/articles/books about him...
Thanks for watching.
Very interesting, I didn’t know the rest of the story as Paul Harvey used to say, thank you and God Bless Dr. Heaton !!!
Thank you kindly
Interesting fact, Lee Harvey Oswald would have been thr first one to learn of this since he was military intel in japan
One reported account of the U2 crash that was released more recently as an inside clarification stated the U2 autopilot failed. The U2 could not be flown at altitude manually so Powers was forced to reduce altitude. Thus opens the possibility the plane was setup to fail with the goal of ending negotiations with the USSR.
Another interesting and informative vid ! Thanks teach ;-) 👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
A great video! Well worth watching, and watching again! Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
great video!!! more, please
"As luck would have it Abel would be captured."
What a cohencidence.
And thank You for another nice material!:)
Glad you enjoy it!
I'm kind of surprised that they designed them with ejection seats. Would be easier than the cyanide syringe.
I can’t respect a man who has intent to take himself out when goings get tough
I don't know if I would call this incident forgotten, but interesting nonetheless. What is forgotten is that both sides were interested in arms control and reducing hostile posturing (under Nixon this was called detente). The ultimate cost of carrying on overflights of the USSR was this opportunity was lost, and it would have benefitted both sides. Ultimately, this greatly increased the probability of a major confrontation - it did, the Cuban missile crises - and the USSR's effort to reach nuclear parity with the US no matter what the cost. I have read Eisenhower's biography and consider him one of our best presidents, but this was a mistake. For the sake of a larger and more beneficial goal Eisenhower could have told the CIA to get their information from people on the ground in the USSR (as their only option). Instead of finding ways to get their intelligence from assets on the ground, something the Soviet Union was much better at, the CIA chose the more expensive, and riskier option of overflights. In the end it did not increase US security.
America has a poor history of emphasizing use of its military instead of diplomacy and trying to understand its adversaries (I will make exceptions to Nixon and Reagan who tried to take the US in the right direction). In 1960 the Soviet Union was still rebuilding its country from the massive destruction of WWII. Khrushchev wanted good relations so he could focus resources on rebuilding instead of defense (sources include Soviet archives and writings from Khrushchev's son). The US profound lack of understanding of present day Russia, and our leaders profound lack of empathy, is leading Americans right into a nuclear War with Russia over a lie - that the invasion of Ukraine was unprovoked and that Ukraine is a free and democratic country. Americans are at risk of losing everything, for nothing.
This is one of those events that we know happened, but I'm not sure we will ever get the full story.
I thought I knew that story, so much more.
Colin,i heard francis powers committed suicide in 1962.I have read that in many articles.I am glad you straighened that story back out.Thank you.
Hope you will cover the 1942 Dieppe Raid. It actually achieved a number of successful objectives such as placing over 100 German speaking spies behind enemy lines, freeing 80 underground fighters from a gestapo prison and capturing a new type of radar station and studying it which helped the British airforce in future missions. Dieppe was not the total failure many historians claim.
Second time Oswald got blamed for something he didn't do to cover CIA.😮😮
Thanks for watching
Isn't this the military destroying relations between Khrushchev and Eisenhower?
Smashed another one out of the park!
I wonder if they ever found what they were looking for.... Or was that a band?😂
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Will there be a Part 2 to your Napoleon video?
Probably not. Not too much interest in Part I. We have a bunch of episodes on the Wild West coming out soon.
I knew that it upended the peace talks, but I had no idea the program was in all of those other countries.
Great video! Have you done one on the A-10 (loaded with weapons) that flew off course over Colorado in the late 90's?...they never found the weapons (bombs)...had SEAL teams diving in mountain lakes, etc.. Thank you!
Have to research, thanks.
You mean the gay 10 incident, which was a deliberate suicide by the pilot?
Yet another great, no BS analysis! Bravo Zulu guys!
Francis Gary Powers was Melungeon.
And Oswald was innocent of all charges and innuendos.
🪖🏅thanks for the video!💯👍🏾!
No problem 👍
Thank Colin, I love the screen with the story of a stud up man , Russian for stand up guy
Thanks for watching.
Love your videos! But just FYI, there are almost more ads than video. Every 1 to 2 minutes
Sorry about that. UA-cam does that
tech handover , paid for that siberian titanium
My uncle knew him. He worked on his plane.
RIP
Sergei Safronov
(1930-1960)
Thanks for watching.
In my old neighbor hood there was a man from Pakistan who said that the Russians had a agent on the U2 maintenance crew and that agent messed with the altimeter in the U2 that Powers flew , so Powers was flying lower then he thought .
Interesting
Here's a REAL fascinating question to ask....
If Oswald was busy "defecting" [late56-6/62], then Oswald was IN the USSR on 01May1960 [the day FGP was shot down].
So, HOW IS IT, that at the VERY LEAST, LHO was NOT intercepted by the FBI IMMEDIATELY upon his return to the US? This was at the HEIGHT of the Cold-War! What were they DOING? Using their booger-hook to pick dingle-berries out of their sphincter? After a TOP OF THE LINE surveillance platform was simply BLASTED out of the sky, AND LHO HAD a TS clearance, AND it involved the U2??!!
And apparently NOBODY, either in Bonn, or London, thought to call ANYBODY at either Langley, or DC, BEFORE Oswald's plane left Europe for the US??
I guess all the top brass of the FBI were following the example of their boss, standing around in a "circle-jerk", without a care in the world, as a "defector" holding a TS Clearance just "waltzed his happy-ass back home", along with 2.5 RUSSIAN NATIONALS [a pregnant Marina, and a toddler], and NOBODY noticed?
Or did the FBI "stand-down", because the CIA TOLD THEM to do so?
Because if the FBI were TOLD to ignore his return to CONUS, then THAT means, LHO WASN'T a "defector"; he was SENT, and Oswald's "defection" was all SANCTIONED and approved BEFOREHAND!
So, WHO sent Oswald to "defect"? One James J. Angleton [Dir, COUNTER-Intel]. THAT'S how the FBI knew of Oswald; BEFORE JFK!
So, if LHO was Angleton's asset, don't you think Angleton would be DESPERATE to find out whether or not it was HIS GUY that blasted the PotUS? He absolutely HAD to find out! "Was it really MY ASSET that did this? How could I POSSIBLY have been THAT wrong?"
I think part of the "remaining documents" re: JFK will reveal that Angleton WAS satisfied that it was NOT Oswald; NOR was it ANY part of the Soviet Union [KGB/GRU], OR Cuba!
Given what we KNOW of the Mob's involvement WITH the CIA trying to kill Castro [they failed 17X, as per the Church-Committee Hearings in 1975], the Mob wouldn't/couldn't attempt anything LARGER [like JFK], unless they KNEW it was approved "at the HIGHEST LEVEL" [to quote Oliver North, at the Iran-Contra Hearings].
So, WHO does that leave?
"What is... the CIA.
How's THAT for a "Final Jeopardy" answer?
Good question
Forgotten history could you do an episode of US P.O.W held in the Soviet Union from the Korean war to the Vietnam war .
Possibly. Thanks for watching.
I have a question, do you know why the January 6th video was privated? And how about all your other privated or deleted videos or shorts? Is there anything I could access your private or deleted videos on? Like your Rumble Page?
Perhaps on Rumble. The YT gatekeepers of the liberal mindset have punished us for informing people of certain events.
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL yep! Lmao…… thank you, UA-cam is truly liberal especially with the Black Lives Matter promotion whilst literally punishing and being favoritist/racist to coryxkenshin… truly the hypocrisy of the liberals…..
Lee Harvey Oswald likes this 😉
LOL. Thanks for watching.
Did the Soviet Union ever try recon flights over the US that we know of? And was FGP officially in the Air Force but was a spook too, or was he just a spook?
USAF pilot, retained rank while working for CIA.
Sorry for the many questions but I have one more, how about your video about the rise and fall of Benito Mussolini?
We don’t have a suicide culture. Maybe that is why the United States has the most powerful armed forces in the world, and I hope that we never become a suicide culture.
Voting for Biden and the Marxists would challenge that.
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL You are right about that being suicide but those who vote for the ‘left’ see it as a ‘redistribution’ of wealth instead of an end to life as they knew life before.
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL They are trying hard, that's for sure, we are being attacked from all angles.
Overflight aerial spy missions were attempted as early as '47. My dad refused to fly any more missions after a stealth B29 in his squadron was shot down over Soviet Union. My dad was naive and subsequently refused to take part in what he considered a chickenshit cat and mouse operation. The rumor was Oswald gave them the U2's max ceiling, 90 angels which was absurd since radar did not operate at that altitude. At least 40 aircraft were shot down during this episode, 200 Airmen, accomplishing little for cowardly old men realizing we out gunned them. WW2 Airmen were obsolete due to the bomb and should never been recruited, obviously desperate command decisions. How many AH politicians back East lost friends on raids? It always sucks being the red coats. With such a long history of altitude aerial recon, it must've been insulting to the foto interpreters that the kennedy's failed to believe them and then make their fotos public for political gain, hundreds of personnel. They were AH snobs as well and would not believe Force Recon in VN when human intell failed to jive with foto interpretation. The VC were often clever and industrious. I'm not making this shit up. This is not the middle ages when personal accounts had more credibility.
Was it true that Soviets shot down their interceptor aircraft before they hit Francis Gary Powers?
Not sure about that one.
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Can you please do the Indianapolis eventually. I can't help but think those dudes were cursed by God for delivering the atomic bomb but that's just me
(Edit) Forgotten History HAS indeed made a video on disaster that is the sinking of the Indianapolis and its a damn good one. I'm a new fan but a fan I am.
I believe we already have one
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL yup sure did and like all your vids, I learned something new as expected. I never knew about CPT McVeigh and being tried for losing his ship. That whole situation was pure hell through and through. I'm proud to have joined but man the military can be a cold sob when they need a scapegoat. Thanks for serving brother and thanks for really diving into the nuance of every historical event.
also how about the russian sleep experiment video you guys made a while back?
We migrated that to our 10th Legion Pictures YT channel. Please check it out.
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL alright thanks!
29th, 22 May 2024
Thank you for the moral policy of war. Like the 1958 C-130 shootdown incident, military reconnaissance should not be espionage working, and espionage should be prohibited if we would like to conduct war with just war theory. So General George Washington prays to LORD and confesses his sin. Or we could state that espionage is an action of war of democracy, although espionage working is a legal working with Regulations concerning the Laws and Customs of War on Land. The Hague, 18 October 1907. May the crew rest in peace.
Thanks for watching
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL However, outer space is the free navigation area, space war is coming. Perhaps most people will not think of espionage as a immoral behavior.
Did JFK say that the CIA should be broken up?
In light of the Julian Assange issue, I strongly believe the the CIA needs to be reduced to the point where it serves the nation and stops breaking every morality it can find.
Used to be a big fan, but after All that you can't leave behind I lost interest and discovered Bono os one of the biggest conmen ever...
So I take it as a positive!
Yes it was a joke...
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Please don't use feet as a measurement unit! How many thousand feet? Ridiculous! Use miles,kilometers, yards, meters!
Most Americans do not use the metric system unless they were military
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL As a minimum you should have provided both like almost any consumer good in the U.S. (e.g. soda cans and bottles). Your audience may not be exclusively American on UA-cam!
@@bingeltube Altitude in the US is commonly given in feet, not yards, meters, miles, or kilometers. It would sound very strange to hear an altitude of 75000 feet cited as 25000 yards. You probably know the conversions, but in the event that you don't, there are 1.6 kilometers per mile or 0.6 miles per kilometer. Approximately 3.1 feet per meter.
@@user-oh2hs6jh5x Kudos, you are so smart aleck, but you did not read my second reply here. Plus, are you not bothered that the US still uses a totally outdated, medieval measuring system?
It was North Korea.
SOVIETS,WILL AND ALWAYS WILL BE SOVIETS!!
Ridiculous. If any country is like the Soviet Union today it the the USA:
The US is an aggressive state that has bombed 29 countries since WWII, provoked and launched wars either directly or by proxy all over the world and only deals with other countries by threat. The result is millions of dead.
A country that has thrown away its Judeo-Christian roots and replaced it with ideology - neocon and woke which is pretty close to Marxism.
A people who only see their own point of view and no one else's.
A country where propaganda has completely replaced truth - the MSM simply parrots US leaders, does not question them, and has lied profusely about the conflict in Ukraine.
It didn't get shot down.
Well, the SAMs said otherwise
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL Another channel debunked the SAM theory. Look up the U2 Incident by TalesOfTheAmericanEmpire
I think this person might be too biased to claim themselves as an historian
The only people who think I am biased are woke creatures who fear the truth as much as they fear honest work.