This Unexploded Sidewinder Missile Got Stuck in a MiG-17 and Mailed to the Soviets

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  • Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
  • The American Sidewinder missile was unlike any other at the time. The Soviet Union and China envied the weapon’s capabilities, as it allowed a U.S.-armed Taiwan to successfully take down MiG fighter aircraft by the end of 1958
    However, their jealousy did not last long after one of the American-made missiles failed to detonate when it met a Chinese plane. Safely lodged intact and sticking out of the fuselage, the Sidewinder would soon be delivered to the Soviets. By reverse-engineering the weapon, the USSR would make it accessible to the Warsaw Pact, enraging the Americans.
    Not content with their initial intellectual theft, the Soviets would later launch a daring espionage mission to avoid inventing upgrades to the missile themselves...
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  • @Jay-ln1co
    @Jay-ln1co 4 роки тому +1613

    "Hello, police, I'd like to report a theft. They ran away with my bullets in them."

    • @coolfungame8467
      @coolfungame8467 4 роки тому +9

      ok

    • @ronnknnock5435
      @ronnknnock5435 4 роки тому +34

      Police: I hope those are tracking rounds!

    • @kospencer1
      @kospencer1 4 роки тому +7

      You are not wrong to use this analogy, this happened at a time when Taiwanese ROCAF would fly sorties into Chinese Mainland.

    • @JeanLucCaptain
      @JeanLucCaptain 4 роки тому +2

      Police: WHAT THE HELL KINDA CRANK CALL IS THIS?!

    • @jahidahiden5088
      @jahidahiden5088 4 роки тому

      dont use 9m.instead cal40 or cal45 for sure they stuck infront of you

  • @sd906238
    @sd906238 4 роки тому +46

    During the Vietnam war an F-105 was hit by missile fired by North Vietnam fighter. The missile didn't explode but got embedded in the F-105. When the US Air Force inspected the missile they found that the parts were interchangable with the US sidewinder missiles.

  • @chaoticneutral4665
    @chaoticneutral4665 4 роки тому +865

    The lack of F-86 Saber footage is disturbing

    • @moonbear2130
      @moonbear2130 4 роки тому +117

      Agreed, my only real criticism of this channel is his affinity to talk about one thing while showing footage of another, for example in his xb-70 Valkyrie easily half or more of all aircraft footage shown was of the Concorde

    • @21reasons47
      @21reasons47 4 роки тому +141

      1:50
      Talking about the saber *Shows F-104*

    • @Revelationsvidya
      @Revelationsvidya 4 роки тому +52

      Unfortunately there wasn't much footage of most aircraft pre 1970/that hasn't been bought up by companies and force you to pay them royalties for using it.

    • @AngleSideSideThm
      @AngleSideSideThm 4 роки тому +52

      Even static images with a label would be better than nothing

    • @R3C0NxXx
      @R3C0NxXx 4 роки тому +27

      I have to agree. Maybe showing a quick image of the object in question when it gets mentioned would be a decent compromise. Even just on top of the background footage would do it

  • @jonathanfrank1189
    @jonathanfrank1189 4 роки тому +758

    No wonder they got caught, they mailed a freaking Missile

    • @Max-rg2fd
      @Max-rg2fd 4 роки тому +59

      They mailed a missile for 80 bucks, a missile that could destroy a 800k bucks aircraft

    • @mylifeonthepeninsula9521
      @mylifeonthepeninsula9521 4 роки тому +18

      Max 2 I think it’s more then 800k

    • @xxfuqqyocouch
      @xxfuqqyocouch 4 роки тому +18

      @@Max-rg2fd keep inflation in mind, too lazy to figure out how much that would be today.

    • @Max-rg2fd
      @Max-rg2fd 4 роки тому +8

      @@xxfuqqyocouch I thought of that but me is also too lazy

    • @pgtmr2713
      @pgtmr2713 4 роки тому +8

      Candygram for Mongo

  • @jamesshaw3500
    @jamesshaw3500 4 роки тому +557

    We are so kind, we give our enemies our most advanced weapons to reverse engineer.

    • @Captain_Tumbleweed
      @Captain_Tumbleweed 4 роки тому +33

      It's to ensure Mutual Assured Destruction.

    • @u0aol1
      @u0aol1 4 роки тому +5

      @Hue Man Shoot a nuclear armed plane and watch the fireworks.

    • @KappaKiller108
      @KappaKiller108 4 роки тому +45

      @@u0aol1 nuclear bombs aren't gasoline, they don't just exploded If you shoot them

    • @mininudoalem7950
      @mininudoalem7950 4 роки тому +33

      @@u0aol1 I'm 99% sure that's not how it works, all you would end up with is a bunch of pulverized uranium and a huge problem

    • @urdnotwrex6969
      @urdnotwrex6969 4 роки тому +2

      ´´most advanced´´ malfunction on most advanced missile not BLOW UP. The easiest part on MOST ADVANCED weapon. . .If it was tracking malfunction OK, but BLOW UP?

  • @andie_pants
    @andie_pants 4 роки тому +909

    In China and Russia, R&D means "Requisition & Disassembly."

    • @coolfungame8467
      @coolfungame8467 4 роки тому +20

      ur mom

    • @abandonedchannel281
      @abandonedchannel281 4 роки тому +9

      Spicy Booger got em

    • @christucker7434
      @christucker7434 4 роки тому +9

      Very true

    • @High_7
      @High_7 4 роки тому +42

      China yes. Russia no. Americans stole many pioneer techs from soviets too like of mig25a and mig 21. China just copies everything Russia makes because it is accessible to them easily.

    • @Internetbutthurt
      @Internetbutthurt 4 роки тому +21

      Not in the case of Russia or Soviet Union. Its a falsehood they just copied though they would do it if it saved them R&D. There was very few true copies of western stuff the Soviets actually used. PS modern US missiles actually adopted some design elements of late Soviet designs so everyone does it.

  • @tommyhammel
    @tommyhammel 4 роки тому +484

    I still can’t believe they had these missiles but they didn’t have color tv

    • @hondaservicecenter
      @hondaservicecenter 4 роки тому +6

      🤣

    • @tyskbulle
      @tyskbulle 4 роки тому +35

      1950s TV was just a fad, will be gone in a few years...

    • @chrismechanic2000
      @chrismechanic2000 4 роки тому +90

      Colour TVs don't bring down enemy aircraft, there's the reason.

    • @muffy469
      @muffy469 4 роки тому +22

      They focused their money onto important developments like military technology. They couldn't afford to make (kinda useless) stuff because they didn't have leftover money to do so.

    • @ratnoh
      @ratnoh 4 роки тому +9

      to be fair, the military got a bunch of funding

  • @mr.nozzles9121
    @mr.nozzles9121 4 роки тому +570

    Steals a missile, serves 3 years. Sells a bag of weed, serves 20 years. Seems legit.

    • @GHustle4
      @GHustle4 4 роки тому +43

      Sounds like america!

    • @smitha775
      @smitha775 4 роки тому +20

      White guy sells the missile the black guy sells the weed...

    • @GHustle4
      @GHustle4 4 роки тому +27

      Razor2112 actually white guy sell weed and missiles black guys just get punished more severely...

    • @cipher88101
      @cipher88101 4 роки тому +6

      Point sailed right over your head.

    • @nature337
      @nature337 4 роки тому +2

      @@GHustle4 wasnt he west German?

  • @Benson_aka_devils_advocate_88
    @Benson_aka_devils_advocate_88 4 роки тому +944

    In Soviet Russia missile technology comes to you!

    • @drxsasquach
      @drxsasquach 4 роки тому +10

      Nice

    • @barrybadass3481
      @barrybadass3481 4 роки тому +4

      But now only armed ones.

    • @Deutsche_1
      @Deutsche_1 4 роки тому +30

      @ Just like america at this moment, a shithole where nobody wants to be in (stop throwing mud at things you know so little about)

    • @Goprof150
      @Goprof150 4 роки тому +12

      Billybob858 You say that until you move to Russia

    • @jonwalker4351
      @jonwalker4351 4 роки тому

      Good one

  • @lycossurfer8851
    @lycossurfer8851 4 роки тому +71

    "It followed me home mom, can we keep it?"

  • @brycepeterson1969
    @brycepeterson1969 4 роки тому +84

    Everyone gangsta until the sidewinder gets stuck

  • @Saginaw72
    @Saginaw72 3 роки тому +4

    The sentences handed out in this video for espionage are jaw droppingly lenient.
    This new series is terrific and informative. Looking forward to future posts.

  • @ultimatedijon3247
    @ultimatedijon3247 4 роки тому +203

    Loving the uploads recently! You're pumping them out and the quality is better than ever! Keep it up!!

  • @cavemanballistics6338
    @cavemanballistics6338 4 роки тому +30

    MY father worked for SPERRY Corp in the 1950s he was a guidance control engineer, He helped build the AIM9. Then in 1962 he went to work for NASA all the way through till 1972.

  • @sonictheedgehog5360
    @sonictheedgehog5360 4 роки тому +291

    Those prison sentences seem very small for how much info they leaked

    • @shawnr771
      @shawnr771 4 роки тому +20

      Probably as the result of plea deals that implicated others.

    • @sylv9570
      @sylv9570 4 роки тому +11

      *AHEM* soviet pressure

    • @patrickkeyes6682
      @patrickkeyes6682 4 роки тому +20

      Yeah I’d be a little mad if I found out someone leaked thousands of pages of classified info for years. Ten years was way too easy of a sentence

    • @aholegunner
      @aholegunner 4 роки тому +20

      Those guys shouldve been executed and I am typically against the death penalty.

    • @macjonte
      @macjonte 4 роки тому +9

      Prison time in Sweden is short compared to many other countries. And prisoners are released after 2/3 of the time. If doing bad during the rest 1/3 you’re quickly behind bars again.
      The system is mostly designed for adapting people back to life in society, not keeping people away from society.
      It has flaws.
      /Swede

  • @blurglide
    @blurglide 4 роки тому +326

    Air Force vet here: Say "Aim 9", not "A-I-M 9". I've never once heard it pronounced that way until today.

    • @joshschneider9766
      @joshschneider9766 4 роки тому +5

      I'm not a get but !e neither. isn't it the x model now?

    • @ronnknnock5435
      @ronnknnock5435 4 роки тому +7

      @@joshschneider9766 Its the X in AIM-9X that makes the technology unknown to the east because it explodes with out making contact! HA!

    • @ZenZaBill
      @ZenZaBill 4 роки тому +8

      Same here... never heard aye - eye - M - nine. Only AIM-9.

    • @mikecimerian6913
      @mikecimerian6913 4 роки тому +2

      Fox Two. o7

    • @Fister_of_Muppets
      @Fister_of_Muppets 4 роки тому +1

      Same here

  • @lexxynubbers
    @lexxynubbers 4 роки тому +162

    Intellectual theft? Sounds more like a gift to me.

    • @peekaboopeekaboo1165
      @peekaboopeekaboo1165 4 роки тому

      @Raj Strong Bullshit

    • @peekaboopeekaboo1165
      @peekaboopeekaboo1165 4 роки тому +2

      DD has anti Chinese agenda. Refusing to only call the two States as the PROC and ROC (eg. "China" & "Taiwan").
      Using Japanese occupation's name of "Amoy" & "Matzu".
      Edited

    • @youfailedthevibecheck1057
      @youfailedthevibecheck1057 4 роки тому +3

      peekaboo peekaboo somebody doesn’t have a sense of humor.. sheesh

    • @crashovride02
      @crashovride02 4 роки тому +1

      Yes, they didn't steal anything. It was their plane and we left it there for them. I hate when people think others always steal from us. Like we won't do the same.

    • @oomahuntressprotectress848
      @oomahuntressprotectress848 4 роки тому

      xcatly! and we're now in the process of rebringingback all Coca Cola Corporation products and product lines, all Pepsi Co products and product lines, and soon to be your not-present Dr Pepper Company products and product lines from all foreign countries worldwide globally!!
      anti-American propaganda will cease and desist or else!

  • @gravy1219
    @gravy1219 3 роки тому +9

    I feel "unxploded" missiles would actually be a good invention for war, Most pilots would assume the warhead malfunctioned and head back to land for repairs, with GPS technology being what it is you could time it perfect to maximise damage.

    • @theorangeofallahpbuh1840
      @theorangeofallahpbuh1840 2 роки тому

      Perhaps, but for this to be effective, the enemy must be able to know they have been impaled, while also being damaged enough that they can’t fight back and shoot down their attacker. The signal for the impaler missile also needs to be fairly strong so that it can’t be lost or jammed easily.

  • @maiaemmett2399
    @maiaemmett2399 4 роки тому +8

    Absolute legend just straight up picking up a missile and wheelbarrowing it to a waiting car and causally driving off with it like you have to admit like that's incredibly ballsy.

  • @ryancrazy1
    @ryancrazy1 4 роки тому +197

    1:47 isn't that an F104?
    TO be FAIR , the US did send F-104s to Taiwan, dismantled in C-124s, and that video IS probably those F-104s being reassembled in Taiwan. They didn't see combat, they just flew up and down the coast at Mach 2, just to make the Chinese wonder WTF was going so fast...

    • @a50204b123
      @a50204b123 4 роки тому +23

      In fact, Taiwan's F-104 did see combat and score one, probably two kills.
      1967, one RF-104G belong to 12th Reconnaissance
      Squadron was doing its job along china's coastline.
      Suddenly, two Migs show up on the radar, and RF-104G starts heading back to Taiwan.
      As the RF-104G trying to escape from the Mig-19, four F-104G belong to 8th Combat
      Squadron comes to rescue.
      Two kills were scored by the F-104G numbered 4347 and 4344, using AIM-9 sidewinder.

    • @gothicaholic
      @gothicaholic 4 роки тому +9

      Check out his last 6 videos regarding jets... he shows completely different jets than the ones he is talking about.
      Also he is talking about modifying sabres and shows footage of a mig 19.

    • @gothicaholic
      @gothicaholic 4 роки тому +2

      Felix Chang they did had starfighters but they have nothing to do with the video and the incident he is talking about.

    • @joeyjamison5772
      @joeyjamison5772 4 роки тому +2

      So you noticed that too.

    • @user-hb8be5wb4q
      @user-hb8be5wb4q 4 роки тому +2

      The F104 stories may be true, no argument here. But, Taiwan did have an alert pad with at least 2 aircraft loaded for war. I spent some time as a weapons specialist on the pad in the spring of 1964. I slept on a top bunk when on the pad, and that claxon horn must have been near my head. That thing is very loud! And all I remember the Taiwanese having was F105 Thunderchief aircraft.

  • @MichaelColeman
    @MichaelColeman 4 роки тому +95

    I'm astounded at the extremely lenient sentences these spies received.

    • @hthornburg6029
      @hthornburg6029 4 роки тому +8

      Yeah no kidding

    • @voixdelaraison593
      @voixdelaraison593 4 роки тому +3

      Michael Coleman
      They must have been Treasonous Trump associates.

    • @luvr381
      @luvr381 4 роки тому +10

      There are many people in the US who have served longer sentences for stealing $100 or less.

    • @thesauciestboss4039
      @thesauciestboss4039 4 роки тому +14

      Voix de la raison orange man bad

    • @duudsuufd
      @duudsuufd 4 роки тому +1

      Spying is actually a good thing. It prevents that one country can become the only superpower.

  • @teuth
    @teuth 4 роки тому +44

    The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
    In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was.
    The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.

    • @infinidominion
      @infinidominion 4 роки тому +9

      It's guided by a meme

    • @Xander_Zimmermann
      @Xander_Zimmermann 4 роки тому +19

      They always say "where is missile?" But never "how is missile?"😥

    • @marbleman52
      @marbleman52 4 роки тому +4

      Adrian....Well done...!! It reminds me of something that Spock would come up with..!!

    • @harpreetuppal1179
      @harpreetuppal1179 4 роки тому +3

      Ok got it !

    • @josephburchanowski4636
      @josephburchanowski4636 4 роки тому +2

      Where is the source of this copy pasta? I have seen it posted several times.

  • @gutterdrums7509
    @gutterdrums7509 4 роки тому +29

    The Dark MC has a dooope voice. In fact, his voice was just as important as his content in be becoming a HUGE fan! Keep up the great work brother!

  • @bastiaan0741
    @bastiaan0741 4 роки тому +120

    That pilot had a guardian angel.

    • @ronnknnock5435
      @ronnknnock5435 4 роки тому +3

      Id say luck because Atheism is communist doctrine!

    • @Himikz
      @Himikz 4 роки тому +2

      Kindred ultimate on top (:

    • @pawelkaluza123
      @pawelkaluza123 4 роки тому +1

      Lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllplllllllllllllllllllllllllllpllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllp

    • @hansgruber3397
      @hansgruber3397 4 роки тому +1

      Luck, you mean Luck

    • @BabySkinCondom
      @BabySkinCondom 4 роки тому +15

      "AtHeIsM iS cOmMuNiSt DoCtRiNe!" and other retarded things religious boomers say

  • @Maverick626
    @Maverick626 4 роки тому +31

    i almost suffered a stroke at watching an f-14 cockpit as a 50s era fighter footage xD

  • @ciscourquidez9254
    @ciscourquidez9254 3 роки тому +3

    Dark Docs is my new favorite "go to" channel! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK! 💪😉👍

  • @RidinDirtyRollinBurnouts
    @RidinDirtyRollinBurnouts 4 роки тому +119

    A.k.a. next up on "I Shouldn't Be Alive"

    • @solomonarbc
      @solomonarbc 4 роки тому +15

      "How an AIM-9 defected to Communist China."

    • @seand.g423
      @seand.g423 4 роки тому +2

      @@solomonarbc probably not _quite_ that bad...
      More likely a fall guy so that "unreliable Western warhead" could remain an oxymoron...

  • @thomaslohr2864
    @thomaslohr2864 4 роки тому +6

    Ah, the 1960s, when you could still ship missiles per mail - good old days

  • @angeldelarosa7975
    @angeldelarosa7975 4 роки тому +13

    *Missile warning*
    " I'm done for!"
    *thunk*

    • @teemu3981
      @teemu3981 4 роки тому

      Sidewinder don't give missile warnings.

    • @snikrepak
      @snikrepak 3 роки тому +1

      It's always made me wonder, how does a unit so small, look, see, target, and follow, all with one cell of fuel, how would the other pilot know his craft is locked on?

    • @teemu3981
      @teemu3981 3 роки тому +1

      @@snikrepak Must be illuminati

    • @series1054
      @series1054 3 роки тому +1

      @@snikrepak sensor arrays and radar.

  • @zackschilling4376
    @zackschilling4376 4 роки тому +139

    Says: Sabre
    Shows: propeller driven plane

    • @SteelHorseRider74
      @SteelHorseRider74 4 роки тому +10

      Zack Schilling - aren't propeller blades like sabres, cutting through the air... ^_^

    • @Len1977gt
      @Len1977gt 4 роки тому +2

      Did you read the description?

    • @ItsMeMattCarter
      @ItsMeMattCarter 4 роки тому +1

      @@Len1977gt Yeah its a cop out for being lazy and inaccurate like on his other channels.

    • @sid2112
      @sid2112 4 роки тому

      Stryker! Your too low! It's your call Styker! Your call! Your call... your call...

  • @porridgeenjoyer
    @porridgeenjoyer 4 роки тому +167

    Who else loves this guy's voice

    • @amig-2143
      @amig-2143 4 роки тому +3

      That’d be me

    • @andie_pants
      @andie_pants 4 роки тому +3

      Absolutely. It's so distinctive.

    • @porridgeenjoyer
      @porridgeenjoyer 4 роки тому +1

      @@amig-2143 ✌️

    • @klimke22
      @klimke22 4 роки тому +8

      yeah his voice gives me that intense strong ww2 allied docuseries kinda vibe

    • @nunobarros3629
      @nunobarros3629 4 роки тому +2

      Reminds me of Daffy Duck.

  • @banba317
    @banba317 4 роки тому +89

    When you know, but can't prove you have a spy, you just kill him.

    • @SoloRenegade
      @SoloRenegade 4 роки тому +19

      At the very least they should have restricted his access and barred him from any positions invovling access to sensitive information on grounds of suspicion alone.

    • @sundoga4961
      @sundoga4961 4 роки тому +5

      @@SoloRenegade That's too likely to initiate a "witch hunt" mentality inside your own organizations, and that can be crippling. Plus, if you do that you will never catch him - either he will bug out from fear you already have enough information, or he will shut down his operation and all you'll have is suspicions...which having never been proven, will falter, and sooner or later he'll be promoted or transferred to something sensitive again.

    • @SoloRenegade
      @SoloRenegade 4 роки тому +7

      @@sundoga4961You're wrong. My plan would not to be to fire anyone a random person is paranoid about. Rather, only those people who've come under serious investigation more than once under suspicion of legit espionage acts. the amount of information he leaked over 60yrs merely because he was unchecked is outrageous. And I wouldn't be "looking" for people to investigate without cause either. But I can recognize a security risk when i see one. There was no good achieved by letting him leak so much information for so long. And you can easily place a lifelong hiring/promotion ban on an individual in positions in which gov secrets are involved. Whenever he's up for a promotion or hiring into such a position, he would be flagged. All other nonsensitive positions he'd still be eligible for. You can classify a person as a risk to security with regards to classified materials without finding them guilty. People have been denied military/gov clearances for less all the time.

    • @sundoga4961
      @sundoga4961 4 роки тому +2

      @@SoloRenegade Yes, but you'll find that those people were generally denied a high security clearance on application, not after a long period of possessing one. The exceptions are situations where the person themselves or their intimates have done something that causes a reassessment, like joining a radical organization or being involved in poorly chosen activities.
      A relatively high-ranking military person? De-rating their security clearance is executing their career. Sure, a Colonel involved in advertising and public relations has little need for a high clearance...until he does, in order to massage the loss of a new, high-tech and classified weapon system and ease the press interest in why you're sending an entire division to recover one plane. In a very real way there are no "nonsensitive " positions.
      If you don't have enough information to act against a suspect, he remains just a suspect and you could be dead wrong.

    • @IudiciumInfernalum
      @IudiciumInfernalum 4 роки тому +2

      Suicide them. You wouldn't want to get bad PR from your own side.

  • @GN77340
    @GN77340 4 роки тому +29

    I love dark docs been a fan for years always something new to listen too

  • @Vikingdescendent
    @Vikingdescendent 4 роки тому +165

    But they still drove the Lada! They should have reversed engineered western cars.

    • @zaccabral8251
      @zaccabral8251 4 роки тому +20

      The lada was reverse engineered lol

    • @keithjennings6187
      @keithjennings6187 4 роки тому +25

      The Lada is a copy of an early 50's Fiat. Fiat sold the Russians a copy of the plans and a whole factory, and helped them move it from Italy.

    • @kattapp
      @kattapp 4 роки тому +1

      That’s what the Chinese learnt

    • @codmeterman
      @codmeterman 4 роки тому +4

      Underrated comment.

    • @4450krank
      @4450krank 4 роки тому +2

      What do you mean "drove" they legit still make that same old one today XD

  • @hoofitmoore1726
    @hoofitmoore1726 4 роки тому +43

    Too Bad it didn’t explode while they were taking it apart for reverse engineering!

    • @grahambird1570
      @grahambird1570 3 роки тому +1

      Pity it didn't !!!!

    • @tyree9055
      @tyree9055 3 роки тому +2

      Demolition and munition experts won't find it too hard to get into something like that. It's dangerous, but not trying to get into boobytrapped bombs n stuff. 🙄

  • @manicmechanic448
    @manicmechanic448 4 роки тому +11

    My papaw was on the navy ground team that tested the first gen sidewinders back in the mid/early 50s. He fitted old corsairs and hellcats with radio control systems and flares on the wing tips for a heat signature. Apparently those things will fly with only half a wing.

  • @Nommenblue
    @Nommenblue 4 роки тому +69

    The aircraft in the video playing while you stated that, "the U.S. armed the the Republic of China with North American F-86 Sabres" is a Lockeed F-104 Star Fighter.

    • @Len1977gt
      @Len1977gt 4 роки тому +5

      Did you read the description?

    • @miltonb2811
      @miltonb2811 4 роки тому

      I found funnier when they showed a MiG-19/J-6 while were talking about the American assistance in 2:55. 😄

  • @JimSmithInChiapas
    @JimSmithInChiapas 4 роки тому +12

    0:40 _"[The Soviets, ] not content with their initial intellectual theft"_ What nerve they had, reverse-engineering a missile that one of our allies fired at one of their allies! /sarc

  • @JL-cn1qi
    @JL-cn1qi 4 роки тому +41

    Those were some random ass background images.

  • @chasewaldschmidt494
    @chasewaldschmidt494 4 роки тому +76

    It blows my mind how little jail time these spies get

    • @solomonarbc
      @solomonarbc 4 роки тому +6

      Get a few millions in offshore accounts - invest 3 years in prison time. Economics 101.

    • @Vikingdescendent
      @Vikingdescendent 4 роки тому +2

      Double agents?

    • @ONEIL311
      @ONEIL311 4 роки тому +6

      Vikingdescendent that or they had information about the soviets as a backup plan so they could trade it for freedom. Probably details of the Soviet missile program and ways to get in and out of West Berlin/Germany.

    • @lebensraummetal
      @lebensraummetal 3 роки тому +4

      @@ONEIL311 More like communists were already embedding themselves in the mechanisms of the west, using subterfuge to get what they want over time. Remember the unsealed 1990s KGB files vindicated McCarthy's "witch hunt." Still didnt prevent the damage from decades of communist sympathizers publicly spreading propaganda to make him look like a crazy person for catching on to their tricks.

    • @grahambird1570
      @grahambird1570 3 роки тому +1

      Iv'e seen 'Shop lifters' get Heavier penalties !!!!

  • @globalautobahn1132
    @globalautobahn1132 4 роки тому +43

    “I need a missile!” “Missile wery hard to get” “Well you better try wery hard to get me one, got me comrade!”

  • @JoCronje129
    @JoCronje129 4 роки тому +4

    I love the amount of material you come out with Dark Docs

  • @klutzkerman1664
    @klutzkerman1664 4 роки тому +45

    I love how well-researched and narrated these are! I can't get past the wrong planes being displayed though, I may have to simply listen instead of watch :D

    • @Nommenblue
      @Nommenblue 4 роки тому +4

      Same. Great channel and content, but lots of technical inaccuracies.

    • @ImWearingPantsNow
      @ImWearingPantsNow 4 роки тому +4

      I often just listen while I drive. I rarely notice issues like that. I'm not driving right now, and it's all I can see. Oh well, still entertaining.

    • @brianchan8
      @brianchan8 3 роки тому +1

      @@ImWearingPantsNow i can’t even tell lol

  • @u0aol1
    @u0aol1 4 роки тому +2

    You fire a missile into my plane, you can be damn sure I'm keeping it.

  • @n3onkatman
    @n3onkatman 4 роки тому +28

    Last time I was this early Helgen was still around

    • @jasonarcher7268
      @jasonarcher7268 4 роки тому +7

      Way back before that arrow in the knee ended my adventuring

    • @infinidominion
      @infinidominion 4 роки тому +3

      Quite early indeed

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ 4 роки тому +2

    Fascinating story, and one I'd never heard! Thanks.

  • @Chuck_Hooks
    @Chuck_Hooks 4 роки тому +39

    Russia and China are nowhere without US and Western tech to copy and reverse engineer.

    • @euanwhite8716
      @euanwhite8716 4 роки тому +6

      Just gonna ignore the fact the west reverse engineered the hound?

    • @Chuck_Hooks
      @Chuck_Hooks 4 роки тому +3

      @@euanwhite8716 How did Concordski work out?

    • @mattsmith5421
      @mattsmith5421 4 роки тому +2

      @@Chuck_Hooks same way as Concorde lol

    • @Chuck_Hooks
      @Chuck_Hooks 4 роки тому +4

      @@mattsmith5421 Concorde had a 31 year history of no crashes. The one crash it did have was caused by a piece of metal left on the runway by another aircraft.
      What was Concordski's record again?

    • @bcubed72
      @bcubed72 4 роки тому

      Comrade Regus Patoff is greatest inventor of glorious socialist motherland!

  • @jerrodcorey25
    @jerrodcorey25 3 роки тому +1

    2:02
    Hello Maverick's work office. Nice Tomcat cockpit and launch button in the RIO seat

  • @12LoLproductions
    @12LoLproductions 4 роки тому +5

    Imagine being the pilot thinking it would explode at any moment on your flight back to base

  • @Tottleminerftw
    @Tottleminerftw 3 роки тому +2

    It never cease to amaze me the ability of the ussr to copy other technology's

    • @dextermorgan1
      @dextermorgan1 3 роки тому

      China should absolutely blow your mind then. They steal EVERYTHING.

  • @K1W1fly
    @K1W1fly 4 роки тому +5

    A whole story about missiles on an F86 Sabre, without once using footage of any Sabre!

  • @williamrichardson3672
    @williamrichardson3672 Рік тому

    Aside from the random footage of random aircraft and missiles, this is pretty good.

  • @Francois_Dupont
    @Francois_Dupont 4 роки тому +12

    -they are spying on us because the update are the same as ours!
    -how do you know that?
    .....

  • @nateflint1334
    @nateflint1334 3 роки тому +4

    would be interesting if the missile was meant to be unexploded, right until it arrived in some important russiab building, where it was detonated remotely

  • @RainCity3rd
    @RainCity3rd 4 роки тому +6

    Very surprising how little time one gets for pretty important theft /spying.

  • @polvoradelrey2423
    @polvoradelrey2423 2 роки тому +1

    -Dimitri, we have a job for you.
    -What's that?
    -We want you to start tinkering with this armed, undetonated, unknown, faulty enemy missile.
    -Great.

  • @nicobings2674
    @nicobings2674 4 роки тому +60

    Chines got f86 saber's from the USA.
    Shows a F-104 Starfighter. XD

    • @SekritKomrade
      @SekritKomrade 4 роки тому +12

      Its literally the only thing wrong w these Docs. Amazing narration, content, quality, nails it.
      but for the aircraft buffs out there, its distracting to see the wrong equipment when being spoken about.

    • @jarrod1766
      @jarrod1766 4 роки тому +3

      @@SekritKomrade Correct this seems lazy on their part also I think it misleads the viewer if they aren't knowledgable. They discuss a Mig-17 and show a Mig 21, if you don't know what these aircraft are that's going to give you the wrong idea.

    • @DasJager13
      @DasJager13 4 роки тому +5

      Half the footage of fighter jets were from the cockpit of a F14.

    • @ryancrazy1
      @ryancrazy1 4 роки тому +2

      in fact.... pretty sure i didn't see an F-86 the entire video....

    • @paulsmith5742
      @paulsmith5742 4 роки тому

      or how about what looks like the T-28's

  • @billferner6741
    @billferner6741 4 роки тому +2

    I remember when I was a boy, my father was working as a civilian in Neuburg German airforce base, it was a big discussion about how it was possible to smuggle out a 3 meter (6'6") long and 70 kilo (155pounds) heavy thingens out of a high security area.

  • @TheUnatuber
    @TheUnatuber 4 роки тому +10

    I just *knew* there was going to be at least one "Tribesman" involved!

    • @myopicthunder
      @myopicthunder 4 роки тому +2

      Stig Wennerstrom not a very tribal name.

  • @Shipwright1918
    @Shipwright1918 4 роки тому +2

    I'm having trouble getting a parcel to a penpal, but these suckers mail a literal friggin' missile with no problem, unbelievable!

  • @j0ckel617
    @j0ckel617 4 роки тому +38

    Why isn’t almost any picture coherent with what is narrated? There are starfighters shown when talking about sabres, sometimes even prop-planes, there are two stage long range surface to air missiles on screen when talking about the short range air to air sidewinders, there are two engined suchois shown when talking abot single engined mig 15s, I mean come on

    • @catfunt5583
      @catfunt5583 4 роки тому +5

      It's because it's hard to find footage from way back then, and even harder to find footage that isn't copyrighted

    • @tomperkins5657
      @tomperkins5657 4 роки тому +2

      I was thinking of some footage of the Three Stooges representing Western Security and Homer Simpson as the missile exporter.

    • @drumboarder1
      @drumboarder1 4 роки тому +1

      @@tomperkins5657 perfectly accurate

    • @garyllthegreat5491
      @garyllthegreat5491 3 роки тому

      E

  • @sanfordgruber6130
    @sanfordgruber6130 4 роки тому +1

    When I need something to watch I can always count on Dark docs

  • @papamike4215
    @papamike4215 4 роки тому +105

    Talking about MiG 15 and 17’s showing pictures of MiG 21’s. I don’t think they had a single aircraft they were talking about in any picture. Subject interesting but the video terrible.

    • @charlesradford3811
      @charlesradford3811 4 роки тому +8

      I agree completely. Talking about an F-86 while showing an F-104 is just dumb.

    • @HomelessCows
      @HomelessCows 4 роки тому +4

      And then shows an F-14 RIO firing a Sparrow while talking about F-86's firing Sidewinders.

    • @spanieaj
      @spanieaj 4 роки тому +2

      Yes. It was very distracting.

    • @lr21643
      @lr21643 4 роки тому +2

      I have to wonder what else they got wrong.

    • @miltonb2811
      @miltonb2811 4 роки тому +1

      I thought that I was the only one annoyed by the 'Chinese Tu-22 Blinders'. ;)

  • @bigblue6917
    @bigblue6917 4 роки тому +2

    I knew of both of these incidents though I lacked details on the second one. So thanks for the additional information.
    From what I read the part of the fuselage they first missile struck was for the aircraft's tailpipe and was partially damaged by the hot exhaust from the engine.
    Imagine being the pilot flying back with that jammed in his aircraft. Obviously his knowledge of what had happened was limited. But the aircraft's flight characteristics must have been effected so he would have been aware something was going on. Plus he would have felt the hit. I bet he had the smoothest landing ever.

  • @JeanLucCaptain
    @JeanLucCaptain 4 роки тому +8

    USA (sarcastically): GREAT SHOT KID THAT WAS ONE IN A MILLION!
    Maniacal Chinese and Russian Laughter.

  • @petepatton7496
    @petepatton7496 4 роки тому +1

    Very interesting documentary, very surprised there are such high quality videos free on UA-cam

  • @rtmsound1877
    @rtmsound1877 4 роки тому +7

    Some plans for the Sidewinder were stolen from China Lakes Naval Weapons Testing Center in California. I don't remember what year this was.

  • @cwf081166
    @cwf081166 4 роки тому

    Dark Docs is great about using footage that do not have anything to do with their actual subject matter, but then again half the documentaries on UA-cam is great about that.

  • @strawberrybleach7715
    @strawberrybleach7715 4 роки тому +6

    They were waay too easy on those spies.
    Anything short of the firing squad is an unfair sentence

  • @yunjinbai4640
    @yunjinbai4640 3 роки тому +1

    also this was the reason why the US never sold their advance weapon to ROC again

  • @azazzelx
    @azazzelx 4 роки тому +5

    How is it an intellectual theft when it was literally flown and sent to you?!...minus the explosion thing...

    • @cat_in_a_sock1948
      @cat_in_a_sock1948 4 роки тому +1

      Because communists are evil and steal things duh

    • @StCreed
      @StCreed 3 роки тому +1

      Locally, we have a law that says if someone mails you something or gives you something you didn't ask for, it becomes your property.
      This prevents the old scam of mailing people books they have to return at their own cost, or pay for.

  • @mhaggland
    @mhaggland 4 роки тому +1

    And that's why it should have had a self-destruct option.

  • @redram5150
    @redram5150 4 роки тому +14

    Is it really intellectual theft when you attained the item in question when it was fired at you, trying to kill you?

    • @shawnr771
      @shawnr771 4 роки тому +9

      No I would say that one is finders keepers.

    • @sc1338
      @sc1338 4 роки тому

      Stealing plans is

    • @redram5150
      @redram5150 4 роки тому +2

      sc1338 keeping the missile fired at you isn’t stealing plans

  • @GarfieldRex
    @GarfieldRex 4 роки тому +2

    Best way to steal enemy technology? Walk in the base and take it.

  • @MustyMouse
    @MustyMouse 4 роки тому +4

    Imagine being mad that your enemies took the thing you shot at them and made their own

  • @zulucain
    @zulucain 4 роки тому

    That mailing the missile parts and them being sent back should be a theme of a Kusturica movie :-D

  •  4 роки тому +8

    China steals a half a trillion in technology every year from the U.S.A, there are 500,000 students alone in American colleges

    • @maxmagnus777
      @maxmagnus777 4 роки тому

      how are those 2 connected?

    • @akacurmurdar1
      @akacurmurdar1 4 роки тому

      @@maxmagnus777 How do spies and their networks work?

    • @maxmagnus777
      @maxmagnus777 4 роки тому

      @@akacurmurdar1 mostly by paying off those that have power to give you secrets. I kind of doubt that universities have any secrets to give. They have couple of extremely interesting courses. Those same courses are usually taken by 5 smart people and later teach at domestic universities. Thus you have transfer of knowledge. That is how Africa obtained knowledge fro Europe from 1950's to 1990 in my country. There is no need for 500 000 students.

  • @6bev
    @6bev 4 роки тому +1

    There's a Soviet made copy of the AIM-9 seeker in a corner of the China Lake museum. How it was acquired isn't documented, but the China Lake engineers learned things from the Soviet copy, and incorporated those things into the next generation of the AIM-9.

  • @Gloopular
    @Gloopular 4 роки тому +14

    U.S. security was pathetic that these clowns were just able to walk into an ammo dump and waltz away with a missile poking thru the car! Also penalties were ludicrously soft - pathetic !

    • @MrMontanaNights
      @MrMontanaNights 4 роки тому +5

      Walter It was a West German airbase ( not American) with West German Army guards. The reason they got off lightly was they didn’t manage to steal the navigation unit, which was one of the most secret technologies on the missile. The theft was committed by people whom were not American so the US had little to do with the prosecution. An American caught doing that would probably get 20 to life.

  • @MasterYota1
    @MasterYota1 3 роки тому

    This is the perfect speed for your voice!! Thanks for the great content.

  • @alexduke5402
    @alexduke5402 4 роки тому +5

    Last time I was this early Maxwell hadn't suicided yet

    • @joelmartin2549
      @joelmartin2549 4 роки тому

      Did she already?

    • @alexduke5402
      @alexduke5402 4 роки тому

      @@joelmartin2549 lol not yet but I think we all know what's coming

  • @damiandelapp5490
    @damiandelapp5490 4 роки тому +2

    I think what piss’s me off is we let our supposed allies have our technology and they don’t really punish these spy’s

  • @pylon500
    @pylon500 4 роки тому +3

    Although obviously hard to find, it's still a pity that 90% of the video footage in this is irrelevant to the story :(

  • @samsatherland934
    @samsatherland934 3 роки тому

    Sidewinder missile is a fantastic creation

  • @tahustvedt
    @tahustvedt 4 роки тому +23

    1:52 - F-104 Starfighter

    • @Farweasel
      @Farweasel 4 роки тому +1

      @Barrett Haynes Taking a wild guess ..........
      Probably because they're incompetent? - I have no trust or confidence in this channel now.
      Some of the aircraft shown with the People's Republic of (Communist) China are MiG 19s or possibly even MiG 21s.
      Its questionable whether China had these at the time Mig15s & Mig 17s -sure ......... but that's not what's in the video.

    • @bastiaan0741
      @bastiaan0741 4 роки тому

      I remember those. They had sharp wings, if you ever get the chance to inspect one.

    • @tac2oo7
      @tac2oo7 4 роки тому +2

      He states in the video description he may not always have footage of exact events, so he uses stock footage. Do a little research before speaking.

    • @Farweasel
      @Farweasel 4 роки тому

      @Barrett Haynes Of *course* I know Jesus Christ personally ............He sends me a card every year.
      (It says you lousy godless pagan atheist you are *barred*)
      I write back just before Easter to say if that were true I'd look like a Tiger or something and then ask about his hang ups.

    • @Farweasel
      @Farweasel 4 роки тому

      @@tac2oo7 Hey genius. What he's doing is akin to talking about dogs and showing images of cats.
      If he's going to make the damn pontificating video *he* is the one upon whom falls the responsibility to do the effing research!

  • @fastone942
    @fastone942 4 роки тому +1

    can't blame the Pilot he put it up the rear end of the Mig

  • @nymalous3428
    @nymalous3428 4 роки тому +4

    This seemed like it lasted an hour. For some reason, it just felt like a full-length documentary. Very well done!

  • @chrisnewport7826
    @chrisnewport7826 4 роки тому +1

    Having one ,understanding it, is not the same as being capable of producing them.

    • @EllieMaes-Grandad
      @EllieMaes-Grandad 3 роки тому

      The Russians reverse-engineered an entire B29 . . .

  • @jonnywatts2970
    @jonnywatts2970 4 роки тому +5

    Come on Sweden! I sentence you to 20 years...wink wink....only 10 actually. WEAK!

    • @BigJon410
      @BigJon410 4 роки тому +1

      In the US it is always a life sentence. That way we always have inventory for prisoner exchanges years latter.

    • @jonnywatts2970
      @jonnywatts2970 4 роки тому

      @@BigJon410 except life means 25 years...

  • @lilibethdoherty295
    @lilibethdoherty295 3 роки тому +1

    The Military Industrial Complex Just profits more when more Aircraft are shot down, lets keep the production lines going!

  • @dmitrikaramazov4982
    @dmitrikaramazov4982 4 роки тому +6

    AKA
    That one time the Communists got USA tech that didn't involve an Israeli

  • @TrevorNet
    @TrevorNet 3 роки тому

    Feels good seeing other people’s planes go boom without a parachute in the sky.

  • @globalautobahn1132
    @globalautobahn1132 4 роки тому +8

    So this is how our Missiles defect? 🤔

    • @BBCharger5spd
      @BBCharger5spd 4 роки тому

      It's ok... Our Aim-9 defected to Russia... a few years later we got a Mig-25 Foxbat

  • @consciousobjector7315
    @consciousobjector7315 4 роки тому

    Great footage of unrelated aircraft.

  • @klimke22
    @klimke22 4 роки тому +3

    there is 1 21st century question I have for the cpp and that is do you really think that 1 island is worth the outbreak of ww3 and as much as I think they arnt that stupid to answer yes, I am questioning their intelligence more and more these days so I'm less and less sure in every day that passes I'm leaning more and more towards a nuclear war being imminent

  • @Robbini0
    @Robbini0 4 роки тому

    The 'And signaled the protusion with a red piece of fabric as required by law' was a very interesting touch

  • @blxtothis
    @blxtothis 4 роки тому +1

    4 hits from 6 Sidewinders fired, that doesn’t sound like very comforting odds for a revolutionary infra red missile!
    As for that Swedish Spy, suspected of espionage since the 1940s, If he’d been a Russian, the KGB would have topped him immediately and asked questions later, that would have ended that episode!

  • @sgtoldschool1486
    @sgtoldschool1486 4 роки тому +1

    It's it me, or had the amount of commercials gotten ridiculous?

  • @JohnM5583
    @JohnM5583 4 роки тому +1

    Another great material. Just one major factual error: not Polish concentration camps. Identically to US air bases in Germany - like the one in Rammstein, those were German/nazi concentration camps on Polish soil.

  • @okrajoe
    @okrajoe 4 роки тому +1

    Interesting piece of history.