Definately. In this instance, the warp stabilizer was noticeably active multiple times in the woods. Did you consume too much coffee before speaking to create that much movement? 😅
I'm 61 and enjoy video editing. I had the great fortune of connecting with an actor who has been in some major programs and TV movies. She needed a show reel so I offered to take some scenes from the projects she was in and put together a reel for her to her specs. Now she has become a friend and it didn't cost either of us a cent.
I do concert photography, and I have a standard rate that I charge for my services. I work with two non-profit theatres in the area that I do not charge for my services, but I do get to see shows that I would have paid to see, the theatres and performers get photos they can use, and I regularly get more work as a result of the contacts I make working for free and the attribution that the theatres and the bands give me when they post my photos on their socials. A new venue opened recently, so I cold-called them and gave them my rate. It was a bit much for the owner, but we negotiated a deal for two shoots that has already led to additional gigs. I don't always work for free, but the Three Bs mentioned in this video are really important, so I don't mind doing it occasionally.
Nah Pete this vid had it all. Some time with the boys, some editing, the classic goofy Peteisms and bloopers and the dab. Hah good to have you back! I’ve shot for free a number of times and honestly I can’t say I’ve ever regretted it. It’s either built me up in some way or made a connection I still hold even now
Peter posting!!! I found Peter's channel in 2018, since then I've opened a marketing agency based on photos and videography. Thank you for being my first teacher
@@PeterMcKinnon if it’s 4, then you’re required to bring me to Toronto to film a video for you with my black arm car and provide lunch and invite lockyer.
Not enough people get this concept - almost all of my favorite clients came from giving them something for free to start. Would have never landed Skillet as a client separate from putting in full price effort on something I gave them completely for free.
This is some amazing advice... Ive only been taking photos for 8 months now, but thanks to this magical word "FREE", it has given me the amazing opportunity to shoot bands like the Arkells, and Tokyo Police Club, and some amazing venues like Canada Life Place in London, and History Toronto. Thank you Pete!!
That's a great way to look at work. What is this job doing? Building a bridge, a book or my bank account. Pete, you've surrounded yourself with good men full of great wisdom.
There is shooting for free, and there is shooting for access, for involvement, for engagement, to better your portfolio, and to build a brand. I never "shoot for free" but I do shoot for access, engagement, and brand building. I also invest with my photography - sometimes investing in a startup or something I believe in - and sometimes just in my own work. Pro Bono is a wonderful way to give back to the community, or to a community one believes in. Photographers who constantly say "never shoot for free" are usually lying to you, or have never been asked to shoot anything. Any photographer who says they have NEVER shot for free is simply lying to you straight faced.
Setup is great! Personally, I found the depth and sense of seeing the studio in Matti's angle more interesting, but it needed a little more fill and a tad more separation. I can imagine practically, given it's a large space, it's more effort to clean up, turn all the practicles on, and have ready to go quickly.
I love how he put it as the "three B's". My philosophy has been you should never work for free, but that doesn't always mean money. It can be about gaining experience, having an experience, making connections, supporting something you believe in, or a hundred other reasons. Money is great, but there are a lot of other ways to find value in a project as well.
paid gigs are literally what pay the bills, but sometimes those "hey can you do me a favor?" lead to an EXPERIENCE you may never have had otherwise. great video, man!
I took on a 501c3 client and gave them a permanent discount rate, provided they kept the pricing to them selves. In the end, they were a recruiter of gigs for us over many years. Everytime we did work for them, it led to new bookings. I would totally do it again.
Most definitely agree brother. I am an aspiring YOU pretty much and I started my own company with a couple of my buddies. I am adamant on doing things for free to get the name out there, put in the time now and we’ll definitely get paid later. So far… with the people we’ve met, jobs we’ve done, and experience we’ve gained… i’d say it works! Keep going PETE!
Man Peter’s videos are really pretty much cinema now. Love this video. I can also relate to this video as I’ve made records and videos for brands and bands that I believe in and I gained experience and other work.
Been a big advocate of this personal strategy over the years. Can be great to break into an area you are passionate about (because getting paid for what you love is just a little bit too lucky for most of us), have a professional relationship with someone you want to work with (bridge), or develop skills in a real way. You can usually do it on your own terms, so it can sit alongside other commitments and you never know what will come of it. It's a bit like playing the stock market, in terms of value returning that you can't really predict, but as you're doing something you love, if it does come back, it'll likely be aligned with your interests. Have worked with some great people, and even had some modest startup payouts unexpectantly, years after the event.
One of the way I approach the question of working for free is that I alway try to put my self in situations I haven’t tried before. Working for free ofte changes the brief to be more bold and open to experiments. Which more often that not leads to the good stuff rather than a forced setup.
I've been working for free a long time and now I have two Canon Cinema cameras and people still don't want to pay much... I know the answer lies within myself and making myself stronger and better.
Great video - my favorite of the year so far. Nothing wrong with working for free, creatives just need to understand what that means and how to work for free strategically, along with some of the pitfalls which I think you do a good job of outlining.
Agreed when I first started my business I did free photoshoots to get up to a point where I felt comfortable charging for my work knowing my product output would be worth monetizing
Man dude, I love this. I will always do some work for free. The elimination of restraints has enabled me to shoot that next best thing, and I believe in that. I'm on board with this. And its whats enabled me to be able to charge more that I could have dreamed. I, for one, and whatever that's worth, believe in this.
100% do work for free. I've been working with a different UA-cam channel/business in Welland, Ontario for the last two years based fully on one good conversation at a nerdy convention in Chicago. Fast forward and Ive traveled to the UK with this company TWICE and met a ton of AMAZING people. And I have SO MANY videos and photos that meld into a passion of mine, and help my portfolio. Great vid, great message, great photos, and looks like a great time Pete ❤
For passion projects, like shooting a friend's music video, I'll still shoot those for free; but only when it's offered from me. If a friend asks me to shoot their content for them for free, that to me is a problem in the industry and where I feel I'm being used. For clients I don't know, in the early years when I was starting out I'd shoot for free cause I wanted the job. My recommendation is never to do this, this destroys the industry and makes people expect creatives' time, effort, and skill for nothing. I now encourage all creatives to do the same, never shoot for someone you don't know for free. If you want to shoot for free, shoot a passion project for someone you know, and express that it's a passion project and that you're doing it to build your skills.
Since I've started working in an office again, my free time to watch your videos has gone down by a lot....BUT! It makes it easier to enjoy your videos in a binge like I used to.
For one of the first jobs in my career, I told the art director we could work out a rate when the job was done. He looked at me and said, "Act like a clown; get treated like a clown." Another one: Is this a business or a hobby? Harsh words but honesty.
When I wanted to learn acrylic fabrication, I offered to work for free at an acrylic workshop in exchange for learning the craft and access to use their workshop at night on my own projects.
This year, I've prioritised shooting for free just to practice and I've ended up meeting some fantastic people and earning far more money than any other year, not to mention the drastic improvements to my photos. Shoot for free!
I do alot of work for a buddy and his non profit charity. Sometimes he throws me a few bucks, Sometimes he buys me a beer, Sometimes i do it as a way of simply giving back. Luckily this is just a side hobby
I JUST NEED A LENS!!! literally after saving up for ever i pulled the trigger on my first camera that i got a helluva deal on SONY A7III $900 just the body, with only 2200 on the shutter .... ya i know i have no idea how i came across this deal either.. but that was almost 2 years ago now and as embarrassingly long ago this was i stilllll havent been able to get myself a decent 24-70mm and no not even a G master but i was hoping to start investing in the sigma line but at this point with as many set backs financially me and my fiance have had the last year or so. i still am no closer to being able to pull that trigger and be as comfortably set as i would want and need to be financially after the purchase to be able to justify that to myself........ Adulting sucks! lol.
those presets looks amazing, I do photography full time at a University and still use them on almost every single image I send out (alot of billboards rocking captains reserve ;) )
Thank you, for inspiring me to start my own production company I have been doing some video work for free, well actually I have been paid in fish lol, but I love it so it’s barely work for me
Although, I do agree -- it's always better to build the relationship (and sometimes do the work for free), but what happens if you literally cannot financially afford to do the work for Free? Also, this is more in reference to the work I do, which is on the Web Development end, not the Photography end.
I work for free or reduced rates if it’s a new type of job for me. It’s only fair, since I’m learning and getting better at a faster rate than usual by doing that thing for the first time. And the end product is basically guaranteed to be not as good as possible.
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Like if you want Peter to bring back "editing your photos"
Definately. In this instance, the warp stabilizer was noticeably active multiple times in the woods. Did you consume too much coffee before speaking to create that much movement? 😅
Hell yeah let’s bring it back
Yes please!!!!
Yes! We need those videos.
We all work for free sometimes. But I ask this question first, "Are you being paid to ask me to work for free?" Pretty simple.
So good
I'm 61 and enjoy video editing. I had the great fortune of connecting with an actor who has been in some major programs and TV movies. She needed a show reel so I offered to take some scenes from the projects she was in and put together a reel for her to her specs. Now she has become a friend and it didn't cost either of us a cent.
I do concert photography, and I have a standard rate that I charge for my services. I work with two non-profit theatres in the area that I do not charge for my services, but I do get to see shows that I would have paid to see, the theatres and performers get photos they can use, and I regularly get more work as a result of the contacts I make working for free and the attribution that the theatres and the bands give me when they post my photos on their socials. A new venue opened recently, so I cold-called them and gave them my rate. It was a bit much for the owner, but we negotiated a deal for two shoots that has already led to additional gigs. I don't always work for free, but the Three Bs mentioned in this video are really important, so I don't mind doing it occasionally.
Nah Pete this vid had it all. Some time with the boys, some editing, the classic goofy Peteisms and bloopers and the dab. Hah good to have you back!
I’ve shot for free a number of times and honestly I can’t say I’ve ever regretted it. It’s either built me up in some way or made a connection I still hold even now
Peter posting!!! I found Peter's channel in 2018, since then I've opened a marketing agency based on photos and videography. Thank you for being my first teacher
Please do more with trustintimber! I love the cinematic bushcraft clips and photos.
He's the greatest
calling it now. We'll see 3 more desk moves until he's happy
maybe 4?
let's just call it ADHD and hope for the best!
@@PeterMcKinnon if it’s 4, then you’re required to bring me to Toronto to film a video for you with my black arm car and provide lunch and invite lockyer.
Not enough people get this concept - almost all of my favorite clients came from giving them something for free to start. Would have never landed Skillet as a client separate from putting in full price effort on something I gave them completely for free.
This is some amazing advice... Ive only been taking photos for 8 months now, but thanks to this magical word "FREE", it has given me the amazing opportunity to shoot bands like the Arkells, and Tokyo Police Club, and some amazing venues like Canada Life Place in London, and History Toronto. Thank you Pete!!
I just let a job go, and took an internship with the VFW. I feel that I can contribute more to society by helping them.
0:37 Converging lines do look good.
Nice jacket! Roughout is cool.
That's a great way to look at work. What is this job doing? Building a bridge, a book or my bank account.
Pete, you've surrounded yourself with good men full of great wisdom.
There is shooting for free, and there is shooting for access, for involvement, for engagement, to better your portfolio, and to build a brand.
I never "shoot for free" but I do shoot for access, engagement, and brand building.
I also invest with my photography - sometimes investing in a startup or something I believe in - and sometimes just in my own work.
Pro Bono is a wonderful way to give back to the community, or to a community one believes in.
Photographers who constantly say "never shoot for free" are usually lying to you, or have never been asked to shoot anything.
Any photographer who says they have NEVER shot for free is simply lying to you straight faced.
Setup is great! Personally, I found the depth and sense of seeing the studio in Matti's angle more interesting, but it needed a little more fill and a tad more separation. I can imagine practically, given it's a large space, it's more effort to clean up, turn all the practicles on, and have ready to go quickly.
Haha my wife said the other day how long before Pete changes his background. 😂
I love how he put it as the "three B's". My philosophy has been you should never work for free, but that doesn't always mean money. It can be about gaining experience, having an experience, making connections, supporting something you believe in, or a hundred other reasons. Money is great, but there are a lot of other ways to find value in a project as well.
second that
paid gigs are literally what pay the bills, but sometimes those "hey can you do me a favor?" lead to an EXPERIENCE you may never have had otherwise.
great video, man!
I took on a 501c3 client and gave them a permanent discount rate, provided they kept the pricing to them selves. In the end, they were a recruiter of gigs for us over many years. Everytime we did work for them, it led to new bookings. I would totally do it again.
Cheers to eight years! Found your channel in 2018 and been nothing but a joy to watch since. :)
I've been asking this question for years. This is the best conversation I've ever heard on this topic. Thank you!
You made me laugh man…I didn’t resist 😂
The GOAT of story telling!
I'm not crying ... you're crying!!
beautiful shots; texture is everything!
Can’t thank you enough for sharing this. Your humility is admirable.
The Captain's editing at the start of this video is perfect!
Most definitely agree brother. I am an aspiring YOU pretty much and I started my own company with a couple of my buddies. I am adamant on doing things for free to get the name out there, put in the time now and we’ll definitely get paid later. So far… with the people we’ve met, jobs we’ve done, and experience we’ve gained… i’d say it works! Keep going PETE!
Man Peter’s videos are really pretty much cinema now. Love this video. I can also relate to this video as I’ve made records and videos for brands and bands that I believe in and I gained experience and other work.
Been a big advocate of this personal strategy over the years. Can be great to break into an area you are passionate about (because getting paid for what you love is just a little bit too lucky for most of us), have a professional relationship with someone you want to work with (bridge), or develop skills in a real way. You can usually do it on your own terms, so it can sit alongside other commitments and you never know what will come of it. It's a bit like playing the stock market, in terms of value returning that you can't really predict, but as you're doing something you love, if it does come back, it'll likely be aligned with your interests. Have worked with some great people, and even had some modest startup payouts unexpectantly, years after the event.
One of the way I approach the question of working for free is that I alway try to put my self in situations I haven’t tried before. Working for free ofte changes the brief to be more bold and open to experiments. Which more often that not leads to the good stuff rather than a forced setup.
I've been working for free a long time and now I have two Canon Cinema cameras and people still don't want to pay much...
I know the answer lies within myself and making myself stronger and better.
Love the balance of vlog and tutorial. More of these, please! 🔥
You’re always funny😂😂. It looks better😂😂
Welcome back old Peter , love it!! 🤗
Isn't this how society evolves? Helping each other getting things running.
I learned the hard way - turn the product’s label so it’s centred and straight.
I agree about volunteering/working for free.
Still looking for the damn elephant hehe merry Christmas big nuts cheers
Great video - my favorite of the year so far. Nothing wrong with working for free, creatives just need to understand what that means and how to work for free strategically, along with some of the pitfalls which I think you do a good job of outlining.
Nice to see Peter back :)
The "Full Price or Free" resonates so much with me. I am very much the same way
Leather - the outside | Rough out leather - underside of leather | Suede - the inside of leather if you were to tear a piece of leather in half
Agreed when I first started my business I did free photoshoots to get up to a point where I felt comfortable charging for my work knowing my product output would be worth monetizing
For some reason this has the 8 camera hacks in 90secs vibe and I love it!
1000% all of this! Some of my favorite shoots were ones I never made a dime from. My camera is so much more than just an income stream
You betrayed mattey😭
Ha.. holding your eyes open in the smoke and see who blinks first..... brought back some memories of doing that as a kid up at Sauble Beach. Cheers !
Man dude, I love this. I will always do some work for free. The elimination of restraints has enabled me to shoot that next best thing, and I believe in that. I'm on board with this. And its whats enabled me to be able to charge more that I could have dreamed. I, for one, and whatever that's worth, believe in this.
Hey! I really appreciate how you mix up the environment and perspective. It keeps everything fresh and exciting!
He needs a deck of cards in front of him to give his hands something to do 😄
Facts.
100% do work for free. I've been working with a different UA-cam channel/business in Welland, Ontario for the last two years based fully on one good conversation at a nerdy convention in Chicago.
Fast forward and Ive traveled to the UK with this company TWICE and met a ton of AMAZING people. And I have SO MANY videos and photos that meld into a passion of mine, and help my portfolio.
Great vid, great message, great photos, and looks like a great time Pete ❤
There it is. My weekly inspiration.
For passion projects, like shooting a friend's music video, I'll still shoot those for free; but only when it's offered from me. If a friend asks me to shoot their content for them for free, that to me is a problem in the industry and where I feel I'm being used.
For clients I don't know, in the early years when I was starting out I'd shoot for free cause I wanted the job. My recommendation is never to do this, this destroys the industry and makes people expect creatives' time, effort, and skill for nothing.
I now encourage all creatives to do the same, never shoot for someone you don't know for free. If you want to shoot for free, shoot a passion project for someone you know, and express that it's a passion project and that you're doing it to build your skills.
GIVE IT AWAY TO KEEP IT. My moto is to avoid fear-based decisions. All of that bleeds into family, friends, business and certainly my art. Boom!
Its absolutely looks awesome ❤
Since I've started working in an office again, my free time to watch your videos has gone down by a lot....BUT! It makes it easier to enjoy your videos in a binge like I used to.
Work for FUN. That's what I'd say. If that happens to be free, then so be it.
For one of the first jobs in my career, I told the art director we could work out a rate when the job was done. He looked at me and said, "Act like a clown; get treated like a clown." Another one: Is this a business or a hobby? Harsh words but honesty.
When I wanted to learn acrylic fabrication, I offered to work for free at an acrylic workshop in exchange for learning the craft and access to use their workshop at night on my own projects.
Getting all Red Dead Redemption vibes…. 🔥🔥🔥
The three BBB in Mexico means something else 😅
lookssss awesome Peter❤
God I missed this kind of videos like few years ago kinda tutorial and much valueee
Love those photos.
Every Irish person spotting the sneaky Guinness at the start of the outdoor scene
Dude, it blows my mind that you haven't moved to America yet. Ahahaha, your whole new vibe is incredibly retro American, and I love it!
The new angle is 🔥
Glad to hear a good relationship is growing from the KS portraits. Hope to see him again on the channel some day!
This year, I've prioritised shooting for free just to practice and I've ended up meeting some fantastic people and earning far more money than any other year, not to mention the drastic improvements to my photos. Shoot for free!
8 years... That's considerable. Who was Peter Mckinnon before UA-cam? Might be a cool vid idea, call it, "Roots"
Merry Christmas, Pete!
Oh Peter, Thank you!
Love it! Also, it is Wayne Gretzky! Lol
I think it really depends if the work you are doing for free aligns with you and will ultimately lead to something in the future
Nice video. Good advice for knifemakers too.
Just boys being boys! Love it 😂
😂 First seconds, just pure joy!!
Love this message. So true. Do the work first, learn and establish yourself. Invest in others, they will invest in you. Peace ✨
it does look better :3
Pete would you ever do another q&a video and if so what would be your advice for your younger self when you just started vlogging
Scary how Pete was actually talking to me personally at the beginning of this video! 😂
bro icl, it looks wayy better fr
Definitely need to find me a bottle of that whiskey 🥃
Great set design for that whiskey: ED BANK
😩
Also dont get high on your clients supply (use a full bottle)
But as a spec or portfolio it was stellar.
New setup / lighting is fire. Sorry not sorry. Great decision and execution.
Sometimes the credit is worth more than money! Getting your name or portfolio out there can be more profitable in the long run!
I totally need this video right now
i was that guy looking at you looking at me thinking WTH but i do agree it looks fuego
good hangin'
I do alot of work for a buddy and his non profit charity. Sometimes he throws me a few bucks, Sometimes he buys me a beer, Sometimes i do it as a way of simply giving back. Luckily this is just a side hobby
Dude the jackets are sick 😊
I JUST NEED A LENS!!! literally after saving up for ever i pulled the trigger on my first camera that i got a helluva deal on SONY A7III $900 just the body, with only 2200 on the shutter .... ya i know i have no idea how i came across this deal either.. but that was almost 2 years ago now and as embarrassingly long ago this was i stilllll havent been able to get myself a decent 24-70mm and no not even a G master but i was hoping to start investing in the sigma line but at this point with as many set backs financially me and my fiance have had the last year or so. i still am no closer to being able to pull that trigger and be as comfortably set as i would want and need to be financially after the purchase to be able to justify that to myself........ Adulting sucks! lol.
The bunker is where you go to take cover for the photo bombs lol
those presets looks amazing, I do photography full time at a University and still use them on almost every single image I send out (alot of billboards rocking captains reserve ;) )
Whisky! 🥃
I totally agree...
The angle doesn’t matter, as long as we get the content! 😊
Love the set up! Not jealous at all -.-XD
Thank you, for inspiring me to start my own production company I have been doing some video work for free, well actually I have been paid in fish lol, but I love it so it’s barely work for me
This angle looks better
Although, I do agree -- it's always better to build the relationship (and sometimes do the work for free), but what happens if you literally cannot financially afford to do the work for Free? Also, this is more in reference to the work I do, which is on the Web Development end, not the Photography end.
I work for free or reduced rates if it’s a new type of job for me. It’s only fair, since I’m learning and getting better at a faster rate than usual by doing that thing for the first time. And the end product is basically guaranteed to be not as good as possible.