Oh man I would have died dropping it. Glad you sorted it out. Also can’t believe how long it’s been, I think it’s because AM4 in general is still so relevant it doesn’t feel as old as it is.
I paid $350 for it within 14 days it released, the 5800x is a Banger, but im kinda sad watching this 5700x3d going for $180 while the 5800x is $130-150 ; Paired with my 7800 xt Nitro+ I have some Bottleneck since im not using a x3d card.
@@distiking yea i went back and even at the time people were saying dont use the 1700 with a 1080ti your losing 60 fps across most games youll never be able to use a high refresh rate monitor effectively it was a bad cpu gpu combo back then anyone that got it should be taught how to build a pc. not to buy over powered gpu's they cant use then by the time they can use them they are extremely out of date
@distikingnthe vram doesn’t make it more relevant btw it’s still much worse than a 4060, idk when people will realize more vram on a lower end card doesn’t =more fps
@@boolaidman471 the 1080ti is on par with the 4060 in raw power, and its better in every game where vram becomes a problem, so yes its still way more relevant
While I don't have one, I have to admit the AM4 is the gift that keeps on giving. Have a 5700X3D now and then when you can upgrade the GPU and the PC could still be relevant for gaming for years to come.
Those real time line graphs are a thing of beauty! 5700X3D would be a great upgrade for the price. I was lucky and got the 5600X3D for a song and a dance. Your system still has a lot of life in it after 7 years and could go another 4 or five years with a gpu upgrade. Can not say enough about the AM4 platform.....................Merry Christmas to you and yours!
@@TechLabUK when I got my 5600X3D from microcenter the 5800X3d was on sale for only $35 bucks more but I opted for the 5600X3d for $219. My thinking at the time was it will be just as good for gaming with the GPU I had at the time and RTX 2080 super and it definitely ran better than my 5600X in the 1% and .1% lows Even though my 5600X was running a healthy overclock it was never as smooth as I would like it to be then I started playing around with undervolting the 5600 X3D and wow big difference in temperatures and performance using a 240 AIO to cool it never sees 60C while gaming whereas before it was hitting 80C all the time and the boost clocks would fluctuate now it's locked in at 4.35 GHZ on all cores though MSI afterburner report 4.4 Max but the graph is dead stable at 4.35 I'm sure you could apply the same undervolt to that 5800X3D PBO-30, PPT 122, TDC 82, EDC 124, I also disabled preferred core found a good deal on an RX 6800 XT Red devil for $300 bucks on eBay and this machine is a beast for what I paid for it
2017 i build a 1600X; 16GB DDR4 3200; 1080ti system, end of 2022 i got the 5800X3D. After the change it was realy noticable how much the card was bottlenecked by the 1600X. Now the 1080ti is too slow for 1440p espcecially in UE5 games and will be replaced with a 5070ti. Had never expected it to last 7,5 years, best card i ever bought.
In 2017 I jumped from my fx-8350 system to an AM4 with the Ryzen 1700X, ASUS Crosshair VI Hero x370, 32 GB ddr4-3200 (only ran at 2933), and the Radeon RX 290X. I'm still using the same MB! (Using 64 GB ddr4-3600cl16 now.) It has gone through 1700X, 2700X, 3900X, and now the 5950X. Also video has evolved: RX 290X, RX 580, Crossfire RX 580s, RX Vega64, RX 6900XT, and now the RX 7900XTX. Longest life to any system I've ever used (and I still have my Apple //e, Amiga 500, Amiga 2000, Amiga 3000... ;-) )
funny that you make this video since i just upgraded my 10yo pc with a brand new one with a 9800x3d... except the gpu is still my 1080 ti. running great.
i went from 6700k 16gb ddr4 to a 14700k 48gb ddr5 with the 1080 ti, the game i noticed the biggest FPS increase in, was insurgency sandstorm, 3840x1080 I went from 60 fps high settings to 144 fps high settings. the upgrade definetly made things run smoother and I dont ever have any frame drops anymore.
bro is me fr. I had the 6850k + 1080 ti SLI and upgraded to the 14700k + 1080 ti single (with 64 gb ddr4), and I noticed insurgency sandstorm did have a big uplift at UWQHD (3440x1440)
not sure if u wanna know but the 5700x3d gets 500-600fps on fortnite dx12 whereas 5700x gets 240-300 on the exact same settings. Anyhow, its due to fortnite being a CPU bound game but that x3d cache does wonders
Ive got just a gtx 1080 with a single 8 pin and going from a 3600 to a 5700x3d was a mega jump. I thought the 3600 was a great pairing for 1440p but im blown away by the x3d
It’s still an awesome CPU and the difference is wild. Not to say a 1st gen isn’t useful for those on super tight budgets or who play older games anyway but at least they will still have cheap upgrades in future due to the AM4 platform life cycle.
That's fantastic! The first pc i built had an evga 1080ti ftw3, was a great gpu and still.is today! That cpu really made a big difference! Happy holidays!
I built my new system about 18 months ago with the same Ryzen 5800x3d CPU and a RTX4060ti very nice! With 32Gb Ram and a decent monitor it's a gaming beast!
This system has the most popular CPU and GPU of all time, by many people's standards. Both products are stellar; long outperforming their counterparts and staying relevant into new generations far better than same gen parts. I have a 5800X3D & RX6800 GPU (also amazing value) and will be upgrading to a 9800X3D when one's available. I may keep it instead of selling it out of pure long for the 3D V-Cache technology. (Realistically, I don't NEED to upgrade for gaming but I also do productivity work, photography/video and editing.)
@@BREEZYM6015 They are like everything else, they should cost what people are willing to pay. Here, they generally sell from between £150 and £200 still. Are they worth it considering you can get a lot newer cards with similar performance for the same? That’s up to you.
I built a system in 2019 with a 3600x and 5700XT combo on an x570 board. About 18 months ago I swapped the 3600x for a 5800x3d and them finally swapped out the 5700xt for a 7900gre at the beginning of last month. (I know I did that backwards, but I had been having some stability issues that I thought might have been my 3600x and decided to make that change at a time when graphics cards were still outlandish. I've only recently been able to justify the upgrade with the 7900 GREs price to performance. I figure I'm good now until 2027-2028 for the kind of gaming I (and my son) do.
I upgraded from a 3700x and an RX 580 to a 5800X3D and an RX 6800 last spring when the prices for both dropped to "cheap". I am happy with it and it cost less than half what a new build would have cost. I still want to go to AM5 but I am waiting until the motherboards come down a little more. When I was looking a decent motherboard was close to $300. Now they've become much more affordable but I don't need to upgrade as of yet. Maybe this spring, maybe next black Friday? I just have the pleasure of taking my time and still being able to play games. I did the same with my Z-77 rig. Built it in 2012 and run it until 2020. I even kept the R9-290. My rig was long in the tooth when I replaced it.
A new cpu does give new life to older gpu's. I upgraded my cpu to a 5700x3d and atill used my 2060 since gpu prices are insane and is still waiting for a good deal. The fps doubled compared to my old i5 and I'm glad the 2060 is still usable and I was able to play Stalker 2.
Great video ,i think spiderman bottleneck is a known bug since launch, some people with current high end hardware still have this issue, the fix was To disable Hyper-Threading /AMD SMT or Turning Off some rtx settings but dont remember what .
Had a 5700x3d with my 1080ti for a week until i got my 7800xt, and the performance gains were much more than i was expecting coming from an i7 8700k. Glorious card, I'll have to put in in a glass case like some sort of historical artifact with the way nvidia is going.
Its always amazing to see the 1080ti perform so well even nowadays, after all the years... Shows how legendary it was and still is.. I miss the old times where they really did cared for gamers, and did make innovations... Today we get even less vram on mid/highish end cards than we did 7 years ago
Used my loved ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 1080 TỈ AMP Extreme with my 5800X for a long time and was super happy. Due to finding an amazing deal on the RX 7800xt, I decided to upgrade, as the performance of the 1080Ti was on the edge of what I wanted as I am playing on a QHD 165Hz Monitor. Now, I sold my PC for a great price and wanna upgrade to the 7500F and my 7800xt to get the AM5 Platform and the little Performance uplift. But the reason is more the Upgradability of Am5 and my wish of building in the Lian Li A3 Wood Case rather than the performance I get through the insane value entry Am5 CPU. And with the price I sold my old PC (I only kept my GPU and bought a used 3060Ti for that PC to sell it), I can get a brand new Am5 one with almost no extra money needed to be spend on it.
Wow. those were some impressive results, not every game benefited from the change in CPU but those that did were quite substantial. Makes me wonder what the results would've been like with a 9800x3D with FSR. Since I myself have been considering upgrading my PC but keeping my 1080Ti for now, so a 9800x3D and DDR5 Ram would certainly help in FPS Results, that and with the improvements to the 3D-Cache you can now also Overclock the CPU Compared to the 5800x3D and 7800x3D. So all that could push the 1080ti to be quite usable for a few more years, you could probably even switch to 1440p for games like Red-Dead Redemption 2 and Spider-Man Remastered.
It's always fascinating to look at the differences in hardware capabilities, over a span of 5 - 7 years. Indeed, the 1080Ti, the powerhouse of its day, is essentially on par with a current 4060.
The fact that an 8 year old card can still play at 1080p high settings and almost at 60fps with no upscaling on a modern game is incredible. It can go to 10 years of service without issues depending on what you play.
absolutely love this video! I am currently thinking about upgrading my CPU also, but I doubt the Ryzen 3900x to a 5700X3D will be a big enough jump to notice. So far I couldnt find benchmarks for a comparison
Depends on the GPU you have and where you expect the difference to be. You will see a difference in gaming if your GPU has anything left on the table just going with any X3D.
I did this a couple of years ago. I had the Ryzen 7 2700 with the GTX 1080Ti. Okay performance and was thinking of upgrading my GPU. I saw the R7 5800X on sale at my local Best Buy and got it. CPU upgrade brought life to my 1080Ti for a few more years. Sadly I retire the 1080Ti and moved it to a R5 5500 build. Still performs better than my R7 2700. 😅
I have a 1080 ti. I had it paired with a i7 6700k for some number of years, but was limited to 40fps on 1440p in games like Cyberpunk even when lowering res/settings. Upgrading recently to a i5-12600k, it turns out, it was the CPU bottleneck all along. It's definitely given my 1080 ti more room, as I can turn down settings in CPU bound games and get much more fps. I can even knock res down to 1080p and still play the latest games easily and with a stable experience. Moreso, the 11gb of VRAM lets you go for high textures, which is the most important improvement in visuals in my opinion.
The system I built back then was similar. Built it with in black meshify C with that same B450F motherboard. Also had a 2600X that later became a 5600 and 5700X. A GTX950 which later got swapped out with a 1060 3GB, 1060 6GB, 1080 8GB and RX5700XT 8GB.
5:13 it's weird how despite a much better score the 5800x3d has a slightly lower multithread ration of 9 compared to 9.5 for the 1700 you'd expect the opposite.
@@TechLabUK indeed. I actually ended up abandoning my RTX 4070 because of what i saw with the 5700X3D and bought a 7900GRE, and gave my brother the 4070. I overclocked the GRE and in some cases, versus my brothers system with the 4070 and a 5600x, Im seeing my computer perform nearly 55% faster in some special cases in games. I think i can wait out until AM6 with this rig. I bought the GRE in may and the 5700X3D in february. I had the 4070 from december of last year until that may
In which tests was the system up to 55% faster? Neither the X3D is that much faster than the non3d variant, nor is the 7900GRE that much faster than the 4070. Normally the X3D CPU should be 20-30% faster (within CPU limit) and the graphics card 20%. Maybe in a few CPU-heavy scenarios that really benefit from the cache it could be more. But a 7900GRE would never be that much faster, even overclocked. Would never have done an "upgrade" like you did, it would have been a total waste of money for me. But at least your brother can be happy.
@RudiRatte-v1p it was on Forza Horizon 5, without upscaling, using just TAA, 1440p. Note i only measured it in FPS maxes, not averages of 1% lows or anything. It was an extreme case. I would like to clarify again i was testing my brothers computer vs mine, not my computer with both graphics cards. I tried to stay still in the same area on both systems. There is probably a large amount of error. the GRE is up to 30% faster with the overclock because its around 18% faster stock to begin with. the 4070 was just a really dissapointing card in my eyes for what i had paid for it late last year. Most of the reason was because my 4070 was near vram limit and my brother also needed a new card as he was using a 2070. The performance dips i was having were just an extra reason i could add so i could justify myself upgrading
i have my GRE at 2803mhz boost clock, 2590MHz memory clock, 977mV core voltage, and +15 power limit. i consider anything under 80 fps rough, and the 4070 was regularly dipping below 80. The card also had a coil whine i didnt want to hear that for some reason despite pushing 330 watts into my GRE, the coil whine is less on the GRE than it is on the 4070. I didnt have enough for the 7900XT, and the 7800xt would have been more a sidegrade. I didnt feel like waiting until next gen, so the 7900 GRE was the choice. 7 months into owning this card, i dont regret the choice. I hope you're enjoying whatever gpu you have too.
What are the specs on that RAM? I know early Ryzen really didn't like faster DDR4 compared to the 5800X3D which loves fast memory with lower cas latency values.
I went from a 3600 to a 5800x, gpu is a 6700xt. Noticed a significant fps boost in most games. Even with Cities Skylines 2. The 5800x didn't come with a cooler. So I went with a 240 aio. I wouldn't use the stock cooler that came with the 3600 unless I had to. I will say having run the 3600 since 2018, I think it was one of the best value Am4 cpu's ever. Edit to add: he mentions updating the bios on an existing - older boards which is true. It's just if you have a good new board with usb flash bios (button) it can be done without a cpu.
Things that stood out Doom Eternal: more games need to follow this. There's barely any difference so it's clearly well optimized game, regardless if it's GPU bound you'd expect >6% difference A lot of the games that are on the edge of the 60fps avg with some more in depth manual tweaking (IF only presets were used and how aggressive those presets are in turning down features) might be able to hit it natively with no FSR. ie 16xAA to 8x or 4xAA, lower Shadow quality, low reflections. At least in my experience historically those chew up resources for the least amount of graphical payoff. Though in general I have mixed feelings about the results- a little bit disappointing considering what 1080ti's still go for on the used market and the 5800x3d is no longer in production. This is the best case scenario for this 1080ti setup. Very unlikely someone is buying a 5700x3d or 5800x3d to pair with a 1080ti long term. Generally it just fell a little bit short. Was expecting high 50's-low 60's native, instead it was low 50's high 40's natively. It's still got life and is extremely viable which is amazing for what is nearly decade old card. FSR High/Quality isn't that big a dropoff in visual quality generally vs native. But FSR is almost required so to me that means the end is nigh for the 1080ti at least for AAA gaming (once you need to FSR low that's prtety much over its pretty horrific generally)
@@Midori_Ringo Doom Eternal should be the example to follow for so many developers but they don’t seem to care. I think 1080Ti’s hold their value because people want them as collectors things, well I assume.
I bought a bunch of pascal 1070/1080 and one 1080ti after the GPU scalping stopped. They replaced all the cards like 1050ti,1060 3gb,970,R9 290 that were being used during crypto. They all were sold off though within the year as modern AMD 6000 cards were popping up for crazy low prices. I was glad to get rid of all my old parts. 2024 was all about selling off quality AM4 combos all on 500 series boards and 5000 series CPU's. Only have a single B550/5700X3D/32gb w/ 3060TI out in the garage. My recommendation is when you come across a modern Nvidia 3000 series or AMD 6000 series at a screaming price then sell off all your old cards. About 2 months ago I sold my last pascal GTX1080 for $100 after buying the $160 3060TI. Sell the old stuff while there is still some market for it. All my AM4 stuff was just fine and worked great but wanted it gone before the used market was overly saturated with it.
@ Yea, probably, just interesting to see if ddr5 ram and pcie5 nvme could do anything to eek out that little bit more. Unsure why people are upset tho, Content is content and its not like you did anything wrong.
still on AM4, upgraded to a 5950X from a 2700X and a 1060 6GB to a 3080TI 4 years back for work reasons. will probably upgrade GPUs whenenever the 5000 Nvidias drop but this CPU is still solid IMO
Great video! 😊 👍🏻 One comment though: I think when you show the Spiderman clip from the OG system, you point towards the wrong number: the 34% CPU usage is not the problem, it's the single core speed of 3200 MHz. Obviously the game does not utilize all cores, or we would see a 100% CPU usage. The bottleneck gets resolved when the _speed of the cores used_ jumps by over 1.2 GHz, enabling the card to use all its power 😊👍🏻 (Edit: of course the additional cache of the x3d helps a lot as well 😃) This is similar to what I saw when moving my GTX 1650 from a Core i5-4590 system to an AM4 Ryzen 3 3100; I got like 20 FPS more and was a bit surprised at the time, as I did not expect such a large jump 😄 TLDR: if you upgrade the cpu, depending on the game, single core performance might be more important than overall performance. Of course, when you can get a cheap x3d, its a no brainer 😊
Another thing you can do is overclock the gpu; flash an XOC LN2 Vbios Also get Samsung B Die ddr4 at least for 5800X3D Use X99 i7 5960x Xeon E5 1660 V3 an $20 cpu i7 6950x with quad channel memory it still beats everything today.
Brother...Nobody that has a 1080ti and is struggling with cheap parts is gonna be flashing no extreme oc vbios to there 1080ti man and then going and finding specific ram with Bdie chips... Come on now...
I swear, the GTX 1080 TI really was Nvidia's Magnum Opus. It's a card that, especially if you got one from EVGA, still holds up well even be the standards of today, some nearly 8 years later. o7
It definitely is worth it... Yes it had the VRAM in the day, but slap stalker 2 on epic and show me FPS with 1080ti and the 4070... Im hauling like 70 to 90fps and even higher indoors, the 1080ti aint doing that bro... not native, if ya put FSR and FG on maybe, but if ya put DLSS and FG on the 4070 ya would be up in the 160+ mark so the 4070 kills it really....
Did you use stock cooler on 5800X3D for game testing? The cpu doesn't seem hot and i'm confident to get a cheap single tower for my next upgrade - 5700X3D to replace my 5600 😅
Yes, I used the stock cooler in the video. It's an AMD Wraith Spire RGB and only came with the Ryzen 7 1700 (Apparently). They are pretty beefy but can get noisy so I would recommend a cheap tower cooler at least.
I replaced my ryzen 1600 with a 5600 a while ago and im happy with the performance so far, but Im wondering if its worth it to put the 5700x3d in there now…. A little worried those are going to become hard to find or more expensive. But also not sure if the performance gains are worth it over what i currently have. Just an rx6600 for now but looking to get a 7800xt or equivalent sometime in 2025
I snagged a 5700x3D a couple months ago to extend the life of my 1080 Ti build and I was genuinely surprised how much my previous CPU was holding that beast back 😭 I play at 1440p and even I can feel the difference
looking to move to a 5700x3D , i myself have a 3600x. The problem is that the card never is used to it's full potential when lowering settings since it is pulled towards the CPU. Having games utilizing at 1440P a 1080 Ti between 40 - 75% just on medium settings is just ridiculous. Half my card is never used because i want to use optimized settings since high - ultra is just to taxing for a higher refresh rate monitor. Yes it pairs fine with a 3600x if you only play at high - ultra settings at 1440P since then GPU usage would spike up to 99 - 100% putting your 1080 TI to do all the work but put it a tier down and the CPU can barely generate enough frames to keep your GPU at full usage and that is the biggest problem i have with the 3600x where a better processor comes in handy to keep the card relevant and under high usage and more CPU demanding games playable.
5800x was the last Ryzen CPU that i ever used and the one that made me return to Intel builds. Had the 5800x less than 4 month before i pitched it in favor of a 12700kf when alder lake launched.
I went from the 5800X3D to the 14900K at home. Will be more than enough for me for a while now. Moved the 5800X3D to the benching rig and still running great.
@@TechLabUK Ha ha... So my previous rig was a 1st gen i7 960 with an X58 LGA 1366 msi board... and a GTX 970... 24gb DDR3, I just built a 14600KF and a RTX 4070 system... So you could say it was abit of an upgrade... Ya know what though, my main game PUBG... 1080p i was still getting above 60 at all times with high anti A and High Textures everything else low... Game looked good... but now im getting like 350fps same settings....🤣🤣
Our youngest son was using my old gtx 1080ti. He was due an upgrade (I was replacing my cpu) so we replaced his ryzen 3600 with my old 5600x and it had not perceivable difference in performance. I feel the 3600 is the peak match for the 1080Ti. We have accepted it is time to retire so for Christmas he has a founders edition B580. It will cover the 12g vram and we were able to finally retire the 1080ti for a very respectable price. The B580 only cost £78 after the sell of the 1080ti. That is a stellar trade up for modern architecture. Cheers for the content, Merry Christmas to you and yours Edit: excellent shout on the cpu advice. The 5700x3d is the most anyone should invest if they are upgrading on the am4 chipset still. The 5600x is better price to performance than the 5700x as the very small uplift in performance vs the price difference is silly. Our youngest son's system specs (it does matter) were the 1080 ti/ 32gb (4k ram oc) /x570 master mobo with the ryzen 3600 that was swapped to my old 5600x. The power consumption alone swapping tot he B580 and colling in the pc have been massive. And the performance. There is still a place for the 1080ti if it drops to £150 and below in the used market. With the B580 out, the price difference in brand new architecture vs the 1080ti unsupported is massive. In a budget build these are not the parts an average gamer would have as it is all my old parts as I upgraded systems. So the performance we experienced is based on what was top tier at the time with exception of the 3600 as that was bought specifically for his pc until I gave him the 5600x.
@@BREEZYM6015 We sold his 1080Ti and put the money towards the B580- the B580 was £259 and his 1080Ti sold for £190. It sold for more than I thought it would, probably as it was the reference edition boxed.
@@TechLabUK you have 1080Ti You can disable all kinds of anti aliasing, and then use Nvidia DSR and set the rendering resolution to 1440p, while the native monitor still at 1080p. It will still stable above 60 FPS anyway
It's crazy seeing 1% lows comparable to average fps in a few of the games tested🤯 . If you game at 1080p the 1080ti is still a great GPU. I don't see a reason for those people to upgrade YET tbh.
Tried to play final fantasy 16 demo on my 1080Ti yesterday and it would not launch I got a pop up message the game does not support my GPU,very odd as minimum game requirements say DX12 and a gtx 1070,so I'm confused but there's one other minimum requirement DX12 and its not enabled on Win 11 by default and of course my GTX 1080Ti won't run DX12. First game my GPU can't run yet there's YT videos showing the game running on GTX 10 series fine.
@@TechLabUK I'm not sure but i'm running Win 11 and DX12 is not enabled have had my GTX for years and no other game has ever said it was not suported till now,i know about the Indiana Jones rtx game needing ray tracing and 12gb but not sure why my 1080 won't run FF16 demo.
@teggsy2165 It must be a weird thing with that game, I have run this 1080Ti and many other, even older cards on our benching rig which uses Windows 11 and had no issues with DX12 games. These cards will run games with Ray-Tracing too, they just use software instead of hardware which isn't as good.
@@TechLabUK There's even YT videos running the game just fine with my card, Steams minimum FF16 DX12 and a 1070,think the demo is only about 16gb i'll give it another go but DX12 is disabled on my OS.
It was surprising just how much it was a cpu bottleneck. I wonder which CPU would get the vast majority of the uplift. Would a 5700x3d, 5700x or even just a 5600x get the majority of the uplift at a considerable lower cost. Great video, thanks.
Yes, all of those will give you a similar boost in FPS tbh. The difference in performance between 1000 and 5000 series Ryzen CPUs is massive and as you can see from the video, the 5800X3D was quite bored with the 1080Ti being quite stretched. This was just an idea of the fastest for the platform.
You do know that frame generation does not count when it comes to if the game is playable because of the input lag it causes and you should not use frame generation at all if original fps is below 60 fps without it because of how bad input lag is.
Depends on the rest of your setup and if you got a good chip. Silicone lottery as they say. This was run on an older board with older memory etc as it was an upgrade.
Awesome video Do you think if i upgraded my CPU (currently a 12900k) to the new 9800x3D, that would extend the live of my 3090 RTX? I am looking to increase my FPS without having to buy a 4090 or 5090 which will probably cost a fortune
no, 12900k already maxed out your 3090 (100% gpu usage) a higher cpu wont boost your fps, if it is it will only boost 2~3% which is only a few, just keep your rig for a few years, then build a new high end one at once later.
@@KatsuKingTV yes, you'd see a bit performance uplift in 1080p but on 1440p u wont get any, unless in competitive games like valorant / cs, etc but only a few
There's no point in building a system with a GTX 1080 Ti anymore because it's very likely that more and more games, like Indiana Jones and the Great Circle, will require RT support to work at all. However, if you enjoy slightly older games, the GTX 1080 Ti is still a very good option.
@@dilbertduck It's easy enough to find out, Steam Hardware Survey alone shows you that over 55% of people use a 1080P monitor as their primary monitor and the top 8 graphics cards are 1080P cards. 1440P monitors may be cheap enough now but the number of old, dated systems out there out number new 1440P+ system 10-1. Anyone buying new now should be aiming for 1440P but based on what exists we are not even close to it being the norm yet.
Yeah my 1070 strix card is still churning along even though i put it in my moms system so she can play gta. I went from that 1070 straight to a 7800xt.. i didnt..have to..but the damn thing wont die
Time flys. Got my amd ryzen 7 5800x in 2020. I remember dropping it, spending 1 hour bending the pins back. Still going strong.
Oh man I would have died dropping it. Glad you sorted it out. Also can’t believe how long it’s been, I think it’s because AM4 in general is still so relevant it doesn’t feel as old as it is.
I have an i7 8700k and GTX 1060 6GB. 😂
@@BREEZYM6015 i7-6700k and EVGA 1080Ti Black SC is still running.
Got a 1080 in my build, upgrading the cpu to 5800x this week!
I paid $350 for it within 14 days it released, the 5800x is a Banger, but im kinda sad watching this 5700x3d going for $180 while the 5800x is $130-150 ; Paired with my 7800 xt Nitro+ I have some Bottleneck since im not using a x3d card.
I think as long as you avoid the major AAA titles or anything using UE5 this setup can be perfectly relevant today and for a few more years.
nah itll run those games too if my gtx 1660 super can handle some of them on low settings to medium of course then the 1080ti has no problem
With 11gb of vram It's more relevant than rtx4060, not to mention it has way more raw raster processing power than the rtx4060, and closer to the 4070
@@distiking yea i went back and even at the time people were saying dont use the 1700 with a 1080ti your losing 60 fps across most games youll never be able to use a high refresh rate monitor effectively it was a bad cpu gpu combo back then anyone that got it should be taught how to build a pc. not to buy over powered gpu's they cant use then by the time they can use them they are extremely out of date
@distikingnthe vram doesn’t make it more relevant btw it’s still much worse than a 4060, idk when people will realize more vram on a lower end card doesn’t =more fps
@@boolaidman471 the 1080ti is on par with the 4060 in raw power, and its better in every game where vram becomes a problem, so yes its still way more relevant
While I don't have one, I have to admit the AM4 is the gift that keeps on giving.
Have a 5700X3D now and then when you can upgrade the GPU and the PC could still be relevant for gaming for years to come.
5700X3D will give you most the performance anyway and is way better priced. Haven’t used one yet as I got the 5800X3D at launch.
@@TechLabUK it runs cooler too. i have mine -20 pbo curved and power limited at 80 watts. ive rarely seen this thing exceed 70 C.
just snagged a 5700x3d for 170 usd, the 1080ti plus the 1080ti is an amazing combo I was just playing around with it on my test bench
So you’re doing sli?
5700x3d with 2070 rtx 350€ combo, still running great even on 1440p
Are you able to test rust?
you kinda overpaid. Got a 5700x3D (tray version) for 151 USD shipped to my door :)
@@DmitriWeissman niceeeeeee, do you have a link I'll have to check this out in the future
Those real time line graphs are a thing of beauty! 5700X3D would be a great upgrade for the price. I was lucky and got the 5600X3D for a song and a dance. Your system still has a lot of life in it after 7 years and could go another 4 or five years with a gpu upgrade. Can not say enough about the AM4 platform.....................Merry Christmas to you and yours!
I so wish we got the 560X3D here. Seemed like the perfect AM4 upgrade but alas, we didn’t get them :(
@@TechLabUK when I got my 5600X3D from microcenter the 5800X3d was on sale for only $35 bucks more but I opted for the 5600X3d for $219. My thinking at the time was it will be just as good for gaming with the GPU I had at the time and RTX 2080 super and it definitely ran better than my 5600X in the 1% and .1% lows Even though my 5600X was running a healthy overclock it was never as smooth as I would like it to be then I started playing around with undervolting the 5600 X3D and wow big difference in temperatures and performance using a 240 AIO to cool it never sees 60C while gaming whereas before it was hitting 80C all the time and the boost clocks would fluctuate now it's locked in at 4.35 GHZ on all cores though MSI afterburner report 4.4 Max but the graph is dead stable at 4.35 I'm sure you could apply the same undervolt to that 5800X3D PBO-30, PPT 122, TDC 82, EDC 124, I also disabled preferred core found a good deal on an RX 6800 XT Red devil for $300 bucks on eBay and this machine is a beast for what I paid for it
2017 i build a 1600X; 16GB DDR4 3200; 1080ti system, end of 2022 i got the 5800X3D. After the change it was realy noticable how much the card was bottlenecked by the 1600X. Now the 1080ti is too slow for 1440p espcecially in UE5 games and will be replaced with a 5070ti.
Had never expected it to last 7,5 years, best card i ever bought.
In 2017 I jumped from my fx-8350 system to an AM4 with the Ryzen 1700X, ASUS Crosshair VI Hero x370, 32 GB ddr4-3200 (only ran at 2933), and the Radeon RX 290X.
I'm still using the same MB! (Using 64 GB ddr4-3600cl16 now.)
It has gone through 1700X, 2700X, 3900X, and now the 5950X.
Also video has evolved: RX 290X, RX 580, Crossfire RX 580s, RX Vega64, RX 6900XT, and now the RX 7900XTX.
Longest life to any system I've ever used (and I still have my Apple //e, Amiga 500, Amiga 2000, Amiga 3000... ;-) )
funny that you make this video since i just upgraded my 10yo pc with a brand new one with a 9800x3d... except the gpu is still my 1080 ti.
running great.
i went from 6700k 16gb ddr4 to a 14700k 48gb ddr5 with the 1080 ti, the game i noticed the biggest FPS increase in, was insurgency sandstorm, 3840x1080 I went from 60 fps high settings to 144 fps high settings. the upgrade definetly made things run smoother and I dont ever have any frame drops anymore.
@@beowulf885 Nice!
bro is me fr. I had the 6850k + 1080 ti SLI and upgraded to the 14700k + 1080 ti single (with 64 gb ddr4), and I noticed insurgency sandstorm did have a big uplift at UWQHD (3440x1440)
@slerpn what is your GPU % utilization? I range from 90 to 95%, I never hit 98%
@@beowulf885 about the same as what you said
it's like a 10 FPS jump but those RDR2, DI2 & Spiderman FPS jumps are craaaaaaazzzzyyyyy. crazy
A great upgrade for people addicted to those games.
not sure if u wanna know but the 5700x3d gets 500-600fps on fortnite dx12 whereas 5700x gets 240-300 on the exact same settings. Anyhow, its due to fortnite being a CPU bound game but that x3d cache does wonders
Ive got just a gtx 1080 with a single 8 pin and going from a 3600 to a 5700x3d was a mega jump. I thought the 3600 was a great pairing for 1440p but im blown away by the x3d
Such an awesome gaming CPU, the 5800X3D. Great improvements from their 1st gen Ryzen to their 5000 series for AM4. Nice comparison video dude
It’s still an awesome CPU and the difference is wild. Not to say a 1st gen isn’t useful for those on super tight budgets or who play older games anyway but at least they will still have cheap upgrades in future due to the AM4 platform life cycle.
That's fantastic! The first pc i built had an evga 1080ti ftw3, was a great gpu and still.is today! That cpu really made a big difference! Happy holidays!
the 1080ti is still doing a great job. it's just crazy.
I built my new system about 18 months ago with the same Ryzen 5800x3d CPU and a RTX4060ti very nice! With 32Gb Ram and a decent monitor it's a gaming beast!
Very excellent PC a 4060ti is basically a 3070 with more VRAM and Frame generation support.
@@ZackSNetwork *if you get the 12GB variant, which are quite pricey still
That is a VERY important video. Especially with the GPU prices not moving anytime soon. Never thought of it.
This system has the most popular CPU and GPU of all time, by many people's standards.
Both products are stellar; long outperforming their counterparts and staying relevant into new generations far better than same gen parts.
I have a 5800X3D & RX6800 GPU (also amazing value) and will be upgrading to a 9800X3D when one's available. I may keep it instead of selling it out of pure long for the 3D V-Cache technology.
(Realistically, I don't NEED to upgrade for gaming but I also do productivity work, photography/video and editing.)
Great vid! it opens the question "does your current CPU unleashes the full power of your gpu?". The 1080ti is a gem even today. Happy holidays!
It’s a good question and I wonder how many people even check this. Happy holidays to you too!
How much should a 1080ti cost?
@@BREEZYM6015 They are like everything else, they should cost what people are willing to pay. Here, they generally sell from between £150 and £200 still. Are they worth it considering you can get a lot newer cards with similar performance for the same? That’s up to you.
I built a system in 2019 with a 3600x and 5700XT combo on an x570 board. About 18 months ago I swapped the 3600x for a 5800x3d and them finally swapped out the 5700xt for a 7900gre at the beginning of last month. (I know I did that backwards, but I had been having some stability issues that I thought might have been my 3600x and decided to make that change at a time when graphics cards were still outlandish. I've only recently been able to justify the upgrade with the 7900 GREs price to performance. I figure I'm good now until 2027-2028 for the kind of gaming I (and my son) do.
5700XT was a legend!
I upgraded from a 3700x and an RX 580 to a 5800X3D and an RX 6800 last spring when the prices for both dropped to "cheap". I am happy with it and it cost less than half what a new build would have cost. I still want to go to AM5 but I am waiting until the motherboards come down a little more. When I was looking a decent motherboard was close to $300. Now they've become much more affordable but I don't need to upgrade as of yet. Maybe this spring, maybe next black Friday? I just have the pleasure of taking my time and still being able to play games.
I did the same with my Z-77 rig. Built it in 2012 and run it until 2020. I even kept the R9-290. My rig was long in the tooth when I replaced it.
A new cpu does give new life to older gpu's. I upgraded my cpu to a 5700x3d and atill used my 2060 since gpu prices are insane and is still waiting for a good deal. The fps doubled compared to my old i5 and I'm glad the 2060 is still usable and I was able to play Stalker 2.
To tame the cpu temps, use a -30 pbo offset
Great video ,i think spiderman bottleneck is a known bug since launch, some people with current high end hardware still have this issue, the fix was To disable Hyper-Threading /AMD SMT or Turning Off some rtx settings but dont remember what .
Had a 5700x3d with my 1080ti for a week until i got my 7800xt, and the performance gains were much more than i was expecting coming from an i7 8700k. Glorious card, I'll have to put in in a glass case like some sort of historical artifact with the way nvidia is going.
It will become a show piece.
Its always amazing to see the 1080ti perform so well even nowadays, after all the years... Shows how legendary it was and still is.. I miss the old times where they really did cared for gamers, and did make innovations... Today we get even less vram on mid/highish end cards than we did 7 years ago
Used my loved ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 1080 TỈ AMP Extreme with my 5800X for a long time and was super happy.
Due to finding an amazing deal on the RX 7800xt, I decided to upgrade, as the performance of the 1080Ti was on the edge of what I wanted as I am playing on a QHD 165Hz Monitor.
Now, I sold my PC for a great price and wanna upgrade to the 7500F and my 7800xt to get the AM5 Platform and the little Performance uplift. But the reason is more the Upgradability of Am5 and my wish of building in the Lian Li A3 Wood Case rather than the performance I get through the insane value entry Am5 CPU.
And with the price I sold my old PC (I only kept my GPU and bought a used 3060Ti for that PC to sell it), I can get a brand new Am5 one with almost no extra money needed to be spend on it.
Nice video man!
Thanks ☺️
Wow. those were some impressive results, not every game benefited from the change in CPU but those that did were quite substantial. Makes me wonder what the results would've been like with a 9800x3D with FSR. Since I myself have been considering upgrading my PC but keeping my 1080Ti for now, so a 9800x3D and DDR5 Ram would certainly help in FPS Results, that and with the improvements to the 3D-Cache you can now also Overclock the CPU Compared to the 5800x3D and 7800x3D.
So all that could push the 1080ti to be quite usable for a few more years, you could probably even switch to 1440p for games like Red-Dead Redemption 2 and Spider-Man Remastered.
It's always fascinating to look at the differences in hardware capabilities, over a span of 5 - 7 years. Indeed, the 1080Ti, the powerhouse of its day, is essentially on par with a current 4060.
Its almost like you bought a new GPU. The improvement is terrific. AM4 was legendary.
The fact that an 8 year old card can still play at 1080p high settings and almost at 60fps with no upscaling on a modern game is incredible. It can go to 10 years of service without issues depending on what you play.
guy back in 2014 we used took a gtx 590 and was getting 60+ in almost all games up till the release of the 5th/6th gen i5/i7 cpus
absolutely love this video! I am currently thinking about upgrading my CPU also, but I doubt the Ryzen 3900x to a 5700X3D will be a big enough jump to notice. So far I couldnt find benchmarks for a comparison
Depends on the GPU you have and where you expect the difference to be. You will see a difference in gaming if your GPU has anything left on the table just going with any X3D.
I did this a couple of years ago. I had the Ryzen 7 2700 with the GTX 1080Ti. Okay performance and was thinking of upgrading my GPU. I saw the R7 5800X on sale at my local Best Buy and got it. CPU upgrade brought life to my 1080Ti for a few more years. Sadly I retire the 1080Ti and moved it to a R5 5500 build. Still performs better than my R7 2700. 😅
I have a 1080 ti. I had it paired with a i7 6700k for some number of years, but was limited to 40fps on 1440p in games like Cyberpunk even when lowering res/settings. Upgrading recently to a i5-12600k, it turns out, it was the CPU bottleneck all along. It's definitely given my 1080 ti more room, as I can turn down settings in CPU bound games and get much more fps. I can even knock res down to 1080p and still play the latest games easily and with a stable experience. Moreso, the 11gb of VRAM lets you go for high textures, which is the most important improvement in visuals in my opinion.
I'm here still rock with FX 8350 and RX Vega 64. Wanna upgrade to AM4 or AM5 next year for rendering and some light gaming.
It will be awesome as either way you will see a huge improvement.
I'd like to see some testing on a 3600+6600 system, a decent low budget 2021 combo.
The system I built back then was similar.
Built it with in black meshify C with that same B450F motherboard. Also had a 2600X that later became a 5600 and 5700X. A GTX950 which later got swapped out with a 1060 3GB, 1060 6GB, 1080 8GB and RX5700XT 8GB.
I have been rocking an i9 9900K and 1080Ti from 2018 to 2024.
Swapped it to a 7800X3D 4080 and 64gb 6000Mhz of DDR5. :D
5:13 it's weird how despite a much better score the 5800x3d has a slightly lower multithread ration of 9 compared to 9.5 for the 1700 you'd expect the opposite.
paired my 1080ti with a 5700x3d and could not be happier atm. still holds up well
Awesome!
You should now do a gpu up grade on this pc now
I did a home build couple of months ago and bought a AMD Ryzen 7 5800X for £135 at ccl . They still selling them for £147 still a great buy.
That’s a great price for those, would be my go to choice for a decent budget build now.
I went from 5700X to 5700X3D and still saw a difference. Its amazing what slapping server grade-like cache on a cpu can do.
X3D was an awesome way of ending the AM4 platform while also extending it.
@@TechLabUK indeed. I actually ended up abandoning my RTX 4070 because of what i saw with the 5700X3D and bought a 7900GRE, and gave my brother the 4070. I overclocked the GRE and in some cases, versus my brothers system with the 4070 and a 5600x, Im seeing my computer perform nearly 55% faster in some special cases in games. I think i can wait out until AM6 with this rig. I bought the GRE in may and the 5700X3D in february. I had the 4070 from december of last year until that may
In which tests was the system up to 55% faster? Neither the X3D is that much faster than the non3d variant, nor is the 7900GRE that much faster than the 4070.
Normally the X3D CPU should be 20-30% faster (within CPU limit) and the graphics card 20%. Maybe in a few CPU-heavy scenarios that really benefit from the cache it could be more. But a 7900GRE would never be that much faster, even overclocked. Would never have done an "upgrade" like you did, it would have been a total waste of money for me. But at least your brother can be happy.
@RudiRatte-v1p it was on Forza Horizon 5, without upscaling, using just TAA, 1440p. Note i only measured it in FPS maxes, not averages of 1% lows or anything. It was an extreme case. I would like to clarify again i was testing my brothers computer vs mine, not my computer with both graphics cards. I tried to stay still in the same area on both systems. There is probably a large amount of error. the GRE is up to 30% faster with the overclock because its around 18% faster stock to begin with. the 4070 was just a really dissapointing card in my eyes for what i had paid for it late last year. Most of the reason was because my 4070 was near vram limit and my brother also needed a new card as he was using a 2070. The performance dips i was having were just an extra reason i could add so i could justify myself upgrading
i have my GRE at 2803mhz boost clock, 2590MHz memory clock, 977mV core voltage, and +15 power limit. i consider anything under 80 fps rough, and the 4070 was regularly dipping below 80. The card also had a coil whine i didnt want to hear that for some reason despite pushing 330 watts into my GRE, the coil whine is less on the GRE than it is on the 4070. I didnt have enough for the 7900XT, and the 7800xt would have been more a sidegrade. I didnt feel like waiting until next gen, so the 7900 GRE was the choice. 7 months into owning this card, i dont regret the choice. I hope you're enjoying whatever gpu you have too.
What are the specs on that RAM? I know early Ryzen really didn't like faster DDR4 compared to the 5800X3D which loves fast memory with lower cas latency values.
I went from a 3600 to a 5800x, gpu is a 6700xt. Noticed a significant fps boost in most games. Even with Cities Skylines 2. The 5800x didn't come with a cooler. So I went with a 240 aio. I wouldn't use the stock cooler that came with the 3600 unless I had to. I will say having run the 3600 since 2018, I think it was one of the best value Am4 cpu's ever.
Edit to add: he mentions updating the bios on an existing - older boards which is true. It's just if you have a good new board with usb flash bios (button) it can be done without a cpu.
Yeah, newer / higher end boards can be flashed without an existing CPU, just have to check the boards website for details on what is available to you.
Things that stood out
Doom Eternal: more games need to follow this. There's barely any difference so it's clearly well optimized game, regardless if it's GPU bound you'd expect >6% difference
A lot of the games that are on the edge of the 60fps avg with some more in depth manual tweaking (IF only presets were used and how aggressive those presets are in turning down features) might be able to hit it natively with no FSR. ie 16xAA to 8x or 4xAA, lower Shadow quality, low reflections. At least in my experience historically those chew up resources for the least amount of graphical payoff. Though in general I have mixed feelings about the results- a little bit disappointing considering what 1080ti's still go for on the used market and the 5800x3d is no longer in production. This is the best case scenario for this 1080ti setup. Very unlikely someone is buying a 5700x3d or 5800x3d to pair with a 1080ti long term. Generally it just fell a little bit short. Was expecting high 50's-low 60's native, instead it was low 50's high 40's natively. It's still got life and is extremely viable which is amazing for what is nearly decade old card. FSR High/Quality isn't that big a dropoff in visual quality generally vs native. But FSR is almost required so to me that means the end is nigh for the 1080ti at least for AAA gaming (once you need to FSR low that's prtety much over its pretty horrific generally)
@@Midori_Ringo Doom Eternal should be the example to follow for so many developers but they don’t seem to care. I think 1080Ti’s hold their value because people want them as collectors things, well I assume.
I can comfortably say that 5800x3d with 1080 ti is the most legendary combo
I bought a bunch of pascal 1070/1080 and one 1080ti after the GPU scalping stopped. They replaced all the cards like 1050ti,1060 3gb,970,R9 290 that were being used during crypto. They all were sold off though within the year as modern AMD 6000 cards were popping up for crazy low prices. I was glad to get rid of all my old parts. 2024 was all about selling off quality AM4 combos all on 500 series boards and 5000 series CPU's. Only have a single B550/5700X3D/32gb w/ 3060TI out in the garage.
My recommendation is when you come across a modern Nvidia 3000 series or AMD 6000 series at a screaming price then sell off all your old cards. About 2 months ago I sold my last pascal GTX1080 for $100 after buying the $160 3060TI. Sell the old stuff while there is still some market for it. All my AM4 stuff was just fine and worked great but wanted it gone before the used market was overly saturated with it.
Id love to see the final itteration of this, using a 7/9800x3d and see the limit of the gpu without any compromise
It would make an interesting video although many have commented already that using the 5800X3D took it too far.
@ Yea, probably, just interesting to see if ddr5 ram and pcie5 nvme could do anything to eek out that little bit more.
Unsure why people are upset tho, Content is content and its not like you did anything wrong.
@@BobBob-zu2dt People get upset at anything now.
@@TechLabUK 😔 we can always relish in our framegen free classics.
This should be able to handle 1440p decently, in modern games, I'd be surprised if it couldn't get near or above 60 fps in most games.
still on AM4, upgraded to a 5950X from a 2700X and a 1060 6GB to a 3080TI 4 years back for work reasons. will probably upgrade GPUs whenenever the 5000 Nvidias drop but this CPU is still solid IMO
Great CPU still, we still run a 5900X in our editing rig and have no plans to upgrade anytime soon.
Great video! 😊 👍🏻 One comment though: I think when you show the Spiderman clip from the OG system, you point towards the wrong number: the 34% CPU usage is not the problem, it's the single core speed of 3200 MHz. Obviously the game does not utilize all cores, or we would see a 100% CPU usage. The bottleneck gets resolved when the _speed of the cores used_ jumps by over 1.2 GHz, enabling the card to use all its power 😊👍🏻 (Edit: of course the additional cache of the x3d helps a lot as well 😃) This is similar to what I saw when moving my GTX 1650 from a Core i5-4590 system to an AM4 Ryzen 3 3100; I got like 20 FPS more and was a bit surprised at the time, as I did not expect such a large jump 😄
TLDR: if you upgrade the cpu, depending on the game, single core performance might be more important than overall performance. Of course, when you can get a cheap x3d, its a no brainer 😊
Another thing you can do is overclock the gpu; flash an XOC LN2 Vbios Also get Samsung B Die ddr4 at least for 5800X3D Use X99 i7 5960x Xeon E5 1660 V3 an $20 cpu i7 6950x with quad channel memory it still beats everything today.
Brother...Nobody that has a 1080ti and is struggling with cheap parts is gonna be flashing no extreme oc vbios to there 1080ti man and then going and finding specific ram with Bdie chips... Come on now...
That's what I do haha 😂
Doom Eternal is the cornerstone of game optimization. This is what devs should aspire for in all games.
Does that game support mGPU or not, is it in vulkan, or s.l.i/crossfire in dx11?
And tomb raider
Nice, still on 3700X and 1080Ti but no need to upgrade yet
Nice!
I swear, the GTX 1080 TI really was Nvidia's Magnum Opus. It's a card that, especially if you got one from EVGA, still holds up well even be the standards of today, some nearly 8 years later. o7
I was suprised when I saw that the CPU r 7 5800x3d don't overheat under the stock cooler.
Yeah me too, that cooler though is a chonk though and seems rare to find which is why I have always kept it around.
you can use bios flashback to update the bios!
GTX 1080Ti: GOAT status. AMD AM4 socket: GOAT status. Combined? GOAT squared
dang i just upgraded to a 4070 super from a 1080ti and it almost doesnt even seem worth it with how well the 1080ti can still perform today
It definitely is worth it... Yes it had the VRAM in the day, but slap stalker 2 on epic and show me FPS with 1080ti and the 4070... Im hauling like 70 to 90fps and even higher indoors, the 1080ti aint doing that bro... not native, if ya put FSR and FG on maybe, but if ya put DLSS and FG on the 4070 ya would be up in the 160+ mark so the 4070 kills it really....
Did you use stock cooler on 5800X3D for game testing? The cpu doesn't seem hot and i'm confident to get a cheap single tower for my next upgrade - 5700X3D to replace my 5600 😅
Yes, I used the stock cooler in the video. It's an AMD Wraith Spire RGB and only came with the Ryzen 7 1700 (Apparently). They are pretty beefy but can get noisy so I would recommend a cheap tower cooler at least.
12:54 rdr2 performance gain is crazy.
I replaced my ryzen 1600 with a 5600 a while ago and im happy with the performance so far, but Im wondering if its worth it to put the 5700x3d in there now…. A little worried those are going to become hard to find or more expensive. But also not sure if the performance gains are worth it over what i currently have. Just an rx6600 for now but looking to get a 7800xt or equivalent sometime in 2025
I snagged a 5700x3D a couple months ago to extend the life of my 1080 Ti build and I was genuinely surprised how much my previous CPU was holding that beast back 😭 I play at 1440p and even I can feel the difference
It can make all the difference.
Recently upgraded my friend from a 3600x to a 9700x. About 20-50fps boost depending on the game.
That’s awesome!
looking to move to a 5700x3D , i myself have a 3600x. The problem is that the card never is used to it's full potential when lowering settings since it is pulled towards the CPU. Having games utilizing at 1440P a 1080 Ti between 40 - 75% just on medium settings is just ridiculous. Half my card is never used because i want to use optimized settings since high - ultra is just to taxing for a higher refresh rate monitor. Yes it pairs fine with a 3600x if you only play at high - ultra settings at 1440P since then GPU usage would spike up to 99 - 100% putting your 1080 TI to do all the work but put it a tier down and the CPU can barely generate enough frames to keep your GPU at full usage and that is the biggest problem i have with the 3600x where a better processor comes in handy to keep the card relevant and under high usage and more CPU demanding games playable.
Update: Pushing almost 2.5x times more frames on every single game on medium settings at 1440P after the upgrade.
A shame the 5800 X3D isn't easily purchasable anymore. 5700 X3D is the way to go.
Yup, I did search for them and the cheapest I could find on eBay was £295 + Delivery which is crazy really.
I love my 1080TI. Want to upgrade it, but really love it
I recently bought a nice Strix GTX 1080 TI and paired it with an 5700X3D. Amazing how well that GPU has held up.
Definitely the undisputed GOAT. 🐐
some insane numbers on a few games in comparison to the 1700
If it works for you then no need to do anything.
ASUS RMA'd my 1080-Ti with an RTX-2080, so this should give a good idea what a 2080 would do?
5800x was the last Ryzen CPU that i ever used and the one that made me return to Intel builds. Had the 5800x less than 4 month before i pitched it in favor of a 12700kf when alder lake launched.
I went from the 5800X3D to the 14900K at home. Will be more than enough for me for a while now. Moved the 5800X3D to the benching rig and still running great.
@ I’m using a 265k on a z890 tomahawk now…. I love it
@@TechLabUK Ha ha... So my previous rig was a 1st gen i7 960 with an X58 LGA 1366 msi board... and a GTX 970... 24gb DDR3, I just built a 14600KF and a RTX 4070 system... So you could say it was abit of an upgrade... Ya know what though, my main game PUBG... 1080p i was still getting above 60 at all times with high anti A and High Textures everything else low... Game looked good... but now im getting like 350fps same settings....🤣🤣
@@Adamgreen735 Maximum FPS!
Our youngest son was using my old gtx 1080ti. He was due an upgrade (I was replacing my cpu) so we replaced his ryzen 3600 with my old 5600x and it had not perceivable difference in performance. I feel the 3600 is the peak match for the 1080Ti. We have accepted it is time to retire so for Christmas he has a founders edition B580. It will cover the 12g vram and we were able to finally retire the 1080ti for a very respectable price. The B580 only cost £78 after the sell of the 1080ti. That is a stellar trade up for modern architecture.
Cheers for the content, Merry Christmas to you and yours
Edit: excellent shout on the cpu advice. The 5700x3d is the most anyone should invest if they are upgrading on the am4 chipset still. The 5600x is better price to performance than the 5700x as the very small uplift in performance vs the price difference is silly.
Our youngest son's system specs (it does matter) were the 1080 ti/ 32gb (4k ram oc) /x570 master mobo with the ryzen 3600 that was swapped to my old 5600x. The power consumption alone swapping tot he B580 and colling in the pc have been massive. And the performance. There is still a place for the 1080ti if it drops to £150 and below in the used market. With the B580 out, the price difference in brand new architecture vs the 1080ti unsupported is massive. In a budget build these are not the parts an average gamer would have as it is all my old parts as I upgraded systems. So the performance we experienced is based on what was top tier at the time with exception of the 3600 as that was bought specifically for his pc until I gave him the 5600x.
The 3600 is a great CPU still. Have one in the studio still and it’s never disappointed. Thanks for watching and hope you have a good Christmas too.
Would you ever sell the 1080ti?
@@BREEZYM6015 We sold his 1080Ti and put the money towards the B580- the B580 was £259 and his 1080Ti sold for £190. It sold for more than I thought it would, probably as it was the reference edition boxed.
@@TechLabUK even the ryzen 7 1700 is quite good still
good to know yeah 5000 series does seem like overkill if you are just gaming. seems like a 3700x would be the ideal if it was for price performance.
08:30 Here's your mistake
TAA is being used.
All you have to do, is don't use TAA, and your FPS will increase significantly
Not a mistake though, of course you can turn off TAA to increase performance but it would look even more like garbage.
@@TechLabUK you have 1080Ti
You can disable all kinds of anti aliasing, and then use Nvidia DSR and set the rendering resolution to 1440p, while the native monitor still at 1080p.
It will still stable above 60 FPS anyway
@ True, many ways to skin a cat as they say.
And then up the resolution to 4K , and there will be maybe 1 fps improvement if you are lucky.
Actually with a GTX 1080Ti everything would become unplayable, which is why people with them will be playing in 1080P
1080ti is basically an RTX 2070 4060 but with more VRAM now for some undevolting and overclocking
The music in this video slaps.
A 5800X3D & a GTX 1080 Ti, two absolute G.O.A.T.s!
you should do a 5600g to see how it handle new game with the 1080 to see how much its better than the 1700
Went from FX 8350 to 5800x3d with a 1080. Night and day, when the 1080 died of suddenly she was replaced with 6750. Plays everything
Those RX 6700XT / 6750XT cards are great guys right now.
It's crazy seeing 1% lows comparable to average fps in a few of the games tested🤯
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If you game at 1080p the 1080ti is still a great GPU. I don't see a reason for those people to upgrade YET tbh.
Absolutely! Just help a friend transfer his 1060 into a budget am4 build. Works way better.
Would you recommend the 12 or 16 core 5th gen Ryzen CPUs?
I am not aware of any 16Core Ryzen CPUs but for gaming 5700x3D/5800x3D for productivity 5900x
did he re-paste the card when building the PC?
The card is from our collection and was fully cleaned and repasted when it came into the studio a couple of months ago.
Tried to play final fantasy 16 demo on my 1080Ti yesterday and it would not launch I got a pop up message the game does not support my GPU,very odd as minimum game requirements say DX12 and a gtx 1070,so I'm confused but there's one other minimum requirement DX12 and its not enabled on Win 11 by default and of course my GTX 1080Ti won't run DX12. First game my GPU can't run yet there's YT videos showing the game running on GTX 10 series fine.
Why won’t the 1080Ti run DX12? Its supports DX12 with full feature set.
@@TechLabUK I'm not sure but i'm running Win 11 and DX12 is not enabled have had my GTX for years and no other game has ever said it was not suported till now,i know about the Indiana Jones rtx game needing ray tracing and 12gb but not sure why my 1080 won't run FF16 demo.
@teggsy2165 It must be a weird thing with that game, I have run this 1080Ti and many other, even older cards on our benching rig which uses Windows 11 and had no issues with DX12 games. These cards will run games with Ray-Tracing too, they just use software instead of hardware which isn't as good.
@@TechLabUK There's even YT videos running the game just fine with my card, Steams minimum FF16 DX12 and a 1070,think the demo is only about 16gb i'll give it another go but DX12 is disabled on my OS.
@teggsy2165 Just to check are you running Windows 11 Home or Pro, not that it should matter but only thing I can think of.
It was surprising just how much it was a cpu bottleneck. I wonder which CPU would get the vast majority of the uplift. Would a 5700x3d, 5700x or even just a 5600x get the majority of the uplift at a considerable lower cost.
Great video, thanks.
Yes, all of those will give you a similar boost in FPS tbh. The difference in performance between 1000 and 5000 series Ryzen CPUs is massive and as you can see from the video, the 5800X3D was quite bored with the 1080Ti being quite stretched. This was just an idea of the fastest for the platform.
Loving my 5700x3d on my am4 motherboard from 2017!
I'm Still rocking the 1080TI since its release😊
You won the GPU internet then :D
You do know that frame generation does not count when it comes to if the game is playable because of the input lag it causes and you should not use frame generation at all if original fps is below 60 fps without it because of how bad input lag is.
Can anyone suggest x470 board wih 5700x running. I want to add 4070 ti super, how fair would it be..
That multi core is kinda low. I was getting 13400 with the 5700x3d
Depends on the rest of your setup and if you got a good chip. Silicone lottery as they say. This was run on an older board with older memory etc as it was an upgrade.
I hope so :) Upgrading my 1080ti system from 2700x to 9800X3D. I refuse to buy a new GPU until there is a good value (and good VRAM) card again. Lol.
Huge upgrade!
Now you're in a situation where the 1080Ti is holding back the 5800x3D
@@RetrOrigin Yup, loads more performance and a system ready for a future GPU upgrade. As PC gaming always was.
Don't you need to reinstall windows with 3d chips ?
No, not really.
Awesome video
Do you think if i upgraded my CPU (currently a 12900k) to the new 9800x3D, that would extend the live of my 3090 RTX? I am looking to increase my FPS without having to buy a 4090 or 5090 which will probably cost a fortune
no, 12900k already maxed out your 3090 (100% gpu usage) a higher cpu wont boost your fps, if it is it will only boost 2~3% which is only a few, just keep your rig for a few years, then build a new high end one at once later.
@Yusta19, even at 1440p gaming?
@@KatsuKingTV yes, you'd see a bit performance uplift in 1080p but on 1440p u wont get any, unless in competitive games like valorant / cs, etc but only a few
There's no point in building a system with a GTX 1080 Ti anymore because it's very likely that more and more games, like Indiana Jones and the Great Circle, will require RT support to work at all. However, if you enjoy slightly older games, the GTX 1080 Ti is still a very good option.
I don't think 60 fps is the norm anymore. People are wanting 120fps+
Yea if a game can't do 120fps it is not worth buying
Actually the majority of gamers still use 1080P monitors and target 60FPS especially when still using systems like this.
@@TechLabUK considering you can get 144hz 1080p monitors for as little as £80 now. I don't know if to fully believe this statistic
@@dilbertduck It's easy enough to find out, Steam Hardware Survey alone shows you that over 55% of people use a 1080P monitor as their primary monitor and the top 8 graphics cards are 1080P cards. 1440P monitors may be cheap enough now but the number of old, dated systems out there out number new 1440P+ system 10-1.
Anyone buying new now should be aiming for 1440P but based on what exists we are not even close to it being the norm yet.
Yeah my 1070 strix card is still churning along even though i put it in my moms system so she can play gta. I went from that 1070 straight to a 7800xt.. i didnt..have to..but the damn thing wont die
It’s going to live forever!
This might make me upgrade my 5 1600 so my 1080ti can stretch its legs a bit more, was looking at a 5600x since it was cheap
5600x would be a good upgrade for the price.
what if i have a 3600 with my 1080ti? would it make much difference to upgrade to 5700x3d?
You would see a difference especially at lower resolutions, just not as much as going from first get to one.