2001 Las Vegas 250cc Main (Jeremy McGrath Vs. Ricky Carmichael)
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2013
- This is the 250cc Main from the 2001 Supercross season finale in Las Vegas, NV.
In 2001, Team Kawasaki's Ricky Carmichael was going after history in tieing a record that stood for just 5 whole years -- Jeremy McGrath's 1996 record of 13 consecutive wins (14 in a single season). RC came into this race riding on a 12-race win streak and leading over 200 laps in that win streak. The one rider who was looking to stop Carmichael from doing that (and being embarrassed for 12 straight races) was Mazda Yamaha's Jeremy McGrath himself -- the 7-time Supercross champ; 18 others were also hoping for the same thing because this was their last chance to do so or Ricky would carry that streak into 2002. However, in the past 2 races, Carmichael had to overcome some real obstacles.
2 rounds ago at Dallas, Team Honda's Ezra Lusk showed he had some backbone and managed to show some wheels to Ricky after he even won a heat race over Carmichael (2 if you count Ricky's crash in the whoops at Detroit) in convincing fashion. In the main, he even passed Carmichael several times, becoming the only rider outside of McGrath to be able to physically challenge Carmichael for a win. His hopes were crushed when he dumped his Honda with a few laps to go, and Carmichael cruised to his 11th straight win of 2001, and eventually, his first 250cc Supercross title; Jeremy McGrath also had his hopes of the 2001 Vans Triple Crown $500,000 bonus crushed with a 3rd place ride and practically lonely the entire race.
At the last round in Salt Lake City, things got interesting -- Ricky crashed hard in practice, giving himself a whopping headache. Light was beginning to show for the other competitors as Carmichael paid a visit to the Asterisk Mobile Medic Unit and Dr. John Bodnar. Fortunately, Carmichael showed no signs of a concussion, or Bodnar would've had to pull Carmichael from his heat race (likely against Ricky's wishes). In the main, despite a holeshot from Jeremy McGrath (his first since New Orleans in March), and challenges from Jeremy, Team Suzuki's Kevin Windham, and Team Yamaha's Tim Ferry, Carmichael shut everyone up again with his 12th straight win; after his holeshot, Jeremy would fall back to finish a disappointing 6th.
This race would ultimately turn into one of THE most exciting ones since late January when Jeremy won the Anaheim 2 Supercross. Would Jeremy be the ultimate spoiler? Would Ricky tie a record that was set 5 years ago in 1996? Watch to find out. Enjoy.
NOTE: I do have the full Pay-Per View broadcast already posted on my channel, but I decided to go ahead and post the 250cc main just for the fun of it. - Спорт
This is back when I used to hate RC, because I had been a McGrath fan for so long and I hated to see anybody dethrone him! Then once Jeremy hung it up, I moved over to the RC camp. To this very day I respect and admire RC. I've never seen anyone with such dedication and a supreme desire to DOMINATE.
Back then, I liked RC, too, but McGrath was the guy I always cheered for. I hated to see this happen to him in 2001 (losing 13 in a row), and his winless season in 2002 really docked my interest in the sport. When Jeremy hung it up so suddenly in 2003, I was ALMOST on my way out of the sport because I thought Ricky would go unchallenged AGAIN for title #3 (especially when Vuillemin threw his dream season down the toilet by skipping the Daytona race). Chad Reed saved me by challenging Ricky towards the end of the season; Reed gave me every reason to stay once he beat RC 6 times in a row to finish 2003. I admired RC's dominance as well, and still do to this day; now, Chad Reed is the ONLY reason I have left to follow this sport with RC retired as of August '07, and McGrath retired as of October '06. I still cheered for Reed in the Nationals, but I also cheered for Carmichael, too; same goes for Supercross. Today, the only races I can stand to watch are the ones that Chad Reed does well in.
Rc,bubba, tomac and ac gotta killed it for the kx team. I'm about to get back into mx again and I think I'm going to buy a kx lol. Rc bubba and ac all from Florida. Gotta rep for all the east coast riders.
@@hamonrye9823 They did represent Kawasaki will -- at least RC and Stewart. I thought Ricky looked better on Kawasaki. You can't forget Villopoto though since he rode for Kawasaki his whole career from '05-'14.
@@MathewVsSportsMediaandGames o yes and he retired super early
@@hamonrye9823 Villopoto? I wouldn't say he retired super early. I think he was just totally over it after '13 or '14, which likely explains why he competed in Europe for the 2015 season, but retired after just 4 events.
IMO, what we saw of RC in 2001 was the beginning of one of the most successful sports careers in the history----of not just MX,---but of all sport in the world.
He retired with over 400 races under his belt, and a bout a 83% "win" average, and doubled the number of championship wins for a MX career at 15.
I have only found one other athlete, in any sport in the world, who had a better win average.
That guy was some bicycle racer in Europe, with like 400 wins out of 410 races (numbers close,---but just off the top of my head from memory),--who later was a co-founder of Indian Motorcycles in the USA.
I think we tend to underestimate the depth of RC's greatness in the sport of MX/SX. There was none greater.
RC's last pro ride was the 2007 MX of nations at Buds Creek, and there was no way I was not going to be there live, and watch RC retire---a winner, (another sure sign of greatness).
That is right -- you could say his only hiccup was being forced to bypass the 2004 Supercross season due to a knee injury.
I wish I could rewatch this in HD..
+Lluis Nieto What you see's what you get :). I just hope you enjoyed the race because I use a VCR/DVD machine with an EP or SLP speed.
A couple of rum and cokes and everything is in HD.
@@Community-Action I used a VCR/DVD machine with an EP speed which explains the 240p.
Thank you so much for uploading these videos, i get to see two of my favorite riders, MC & Carmichael. Thank u again.
You're very welcome; I have about 3 heat races from 2002 up with Jeremy and Ricky in them together -- with Jeremy winning 2 of the 3. I even have some other races from 2000 up and 4 races from 1998. I'm working on posting 2 races from 1999, but I haven't been able to find the VHS tape I used back then.
Awesome! Can't wait. I hope you find them. Do you have any races from the Pontiac Silverdome? I live in Pontiac and i went to a race when i was younger(i can't remember which one)but either Ricky or Jeremy won.
***** I think I should :). As for the Pontiac races, yes I do -- I've posted both races from 2000, and every race from 2002-2005
Really? AWESOME! I HAVE to check em out! Thanks! :)
***** Anytime, man.
I really miss this!!!
Same here -- I miss McGrath's domination years, Ricky's go-for-it riding, etc.
Yeah I definitely miss the Mcgrath vs Carmichael vs Luzk era, i basically grew up watching this and although now I follow the MotoGP extravaganza, those were some kickass races.
They were definitely the best races, but I also enjoyed the Reed/Carmichael battles; I always cheered on Chad Reed once McGrath retired so suddenly before the 2003 season began.
I always enjoyed the 2strokes over the 4 strokes the sound is better with the 2 stroke this is a great race and Kawasaki is the best bike
I would say I did enjoy the 2-strokes for as long as they lasted, but everyone going to 450cc 4-strokes for 2006 was something I think nobody (myself included) would have predicted would happen.
On another note: I do think Ricky was just on another level to possibly have you say that "Kawasaki is the best bike." McGrath represented Yamaha and Honda well, but I think he was just caught off-guard by Ricky's intensity. Ricky changed the sport by making everybody train at all hours of the day to compete with him. I did also think that the recently-retired (at the time) Greg Albertyn and Jeff Emig must've had a crystal ball to know Ricky would do something like this for 2001.
I wonder which one the pros would have preferred to race if they had a choice between the 2 and 4 strokes?
@311hitwall: That's a good thing to ponder on in today's racing.
Nowadays they prefer the four strokes because you get more usable throttle I rode Moto from 1976 to 1988 if you had a four stroke you had a trailbike
@@josephwinkler4863 I never got on a 4-stroke until 2006 (when I was a high school senior). I liked the bike myself, but now I ride my Dad's CRF450R for MX and a 250 2-stroke Yamaha for trails.
I was their. This is the first time watching it on UA-cams. Oh, yeah.
Good for you. :) I was 13 when this race happened and I enjoyed watching it on Pay-Per-View at the time.
RC is not my favorite rider, but he IS the perfect rider
Ricky was one of my immediate favorites, but I wasn't very fond of him stopping the McGrath era so suddenly. Eventually, I warmed up to Ricky dominating Supercross, but I still rooted for Chad Reed through and through after McGrath retired so suddenly.
Watched and read alot about both RC4 and Showtime McGrath. Generally the consensus on McGrath was he was the most naturally talented rider that trainers and team members also other riders/competitors have ever worked with
just a natural on a bike. As for RC4 he changed the game. He had alot of natural talent also but his work and athletic training is what took him to the top. He never got fatigued as the race went on. And now all racers have a diet and workout trainer as well. RC4 changed the race game forever. RC4 also retired early 30 like his riding hero McGrath. Definitely a young man's hustle. If 2020-2021 season goes be looking for my new favorite rider Ken Roczen to make a run for the championship. After his injuries would love to see him make one more run to the top before hanging up his helmet. GO Roczen 🚀🚀🚀⚡⚡🤟
And Supercross was really McGrath's first love. Can't forget that.
RC certainly busted his butt in all the years he dominated. Retiring at 27 is still pretty young, but it's understanding when you think about all that RC accomplished in his 10 years. He even said he wanted to go out on top, and he did.
I'm hoping Marvin Musquin makes a run for the title in '21. Roczen certainly deserves a title for Honda -- especially when Honda hasn't had a Supercross title since RC in 2003.
@@MathewVsSportsMediaandGames Roczen is my guy too would love to see him make a run for a title have a healthy season and get some wins. It would mean alot to him and us fans after him almost loosing his arm. I'll ride any bike but my first was a cr80 so with roczen it's a bonus he's on a honda. Ya always love you're first.😍
Nice. I like Roczen as well, but Marvin Musquin is my new favorite because of what he did to Tomac at Foxboro 2018.
Lucky you that you started on a CR80. I started in '96 on a Yamaha PW80 before going to a KX60 in '98, then an RM80 in '01 or '02, and then I got on a CR125 in '03 before my 250F in '06.
AMA kept raising the CCs allowed on 4 strokes till they could kill off 2 strokes.
I think that the FIM had some hand in that, personally, but I never would've guessed everyone would go to 450cc 4-strokes for the 2006 season.
Honda paid the AMA and FIM until they raised the cc's to kill off the 2-strokes
California democrats killed off 2 strokes.
Plus they changed the tracks to suit the 4 strokes.
EPA killed the 2 stroke. Evinrude went bankrupt this spring 2020 trying to meet emission standards. They put much effort into 2 stroke technology and just couldn’t make something profitable anymore.
Battle of the legend and goat!
Yep -- unfortunately, it wasn't the right guy who came out on top at the time.
I was there! Great 2 stroke racing!!
Lucky you. I wish that McGrath won this race because this was the one he could've and should've won after the way 2001 went.
Me too, I tried to qualify for this race but couldn't . Made some good friends tho.. good old days!
Showtime Mcgrath was used to throwing down 2-3 faster laps than anyone then just riding at a fast but comfortable pace for him. Ricky carmichael's work ethic and stamina and working out and cardio changed the race game from about this point on you couldn't do what McGrath had been doing holding a fast but steady pace and be tired wore out at the end of the race. Carmichael dident get fatigue if anything he kept getting better lines and continued to get faster as the race went on. Rc got to the top by treating racing like he was a pure athlete just like football or boxing or basketball his cardio and working out to not get gassed out in a race was the game changer. I'll bet not one rider who has run at the top spots since this era here has just relied on speed/talent you had to be in great shape as well to compete. I was just a kid but I hated seeing McGrath get dethroned by anyone. He was the coolest rider on the planet. Racing dirt bikes ain't for the faint of heart McGrath was out of his prime by 30 years old still so young. But as much as I hated RC4 for retiring McGrath I grew up in my teens watching RC4 Become the greatest 🐐 of all time. These races now are both painful and a joy to watch showtime MC pass the torch to a young hungry Ricky Carmichael. Probably bias to this era but I think it might be the best of any era of racing. + Loved almost everyone was on 2strokes. This modern 4stroke era is faster and fun to watch also but loved the sound of a pack of 2strokes ripping.
No disagreements with everything said.
I grew up watching McGrath dominate, though I never got into the sport until 1997. To see McGrath just beaten week after week after week after Anaheim 2 2001 was incredibly frustrating to see. RC certainly did change the sport with his work ethic, which made you think you had to train at all hours of the day just to beat him.
I admit after RC dominated in 2002 winning 11 races and Jeremy McGrath won 0 races, then announced his retirement so suddenly, I was considering leaving the sport until Chad Reed challenged RC down the stretch of Supercross 2003. RC even says he lost sleep over Reed, too. Chad Reed became my savior to this day.
I love the sound of a 2-stroke just as much as everyone else, but I like this era as well of 4-strokes. I don't think anyone else would've guessed we'd go to all 4-strokes by 2006 in Supercross AND Motocross.
@@MathewVsSportsMediaandGames 💯 Percent agree will always love watching the sport. Chad reed is the silver warrior man just kept racing at a competitive level somehow. 4 strokes made it so expensive to do they are double what a 2stroke costed I know they don't need to be rebuilt as often but when they need rebuilt again so much more money. When you said we're considering leaving the sport you were racing? Or just was going to quit watching?
@@caseyanderson7600 Quit watching mainly. Chad Reed really filled the voids in my book, and the fact that he went as long as he did earns every ounce of my respect. He did have some bad breaks en route to some titles and a couple of injuries wrecked a couple of title runs, but Chad was there week in week out.
@@MathewVsSportsMediaandGames ya Reed was riding for a really long time most retire by 30 don't know how long reed went but he's been there forever nothing but respect. Thanks for posting these old videos. I was just a kid when I watched them live. It's like watching for the first time I don't know what is going to happen who's going to win love the battles 🤟
Indeed. Chad even said that retirement scared him until this year when he said he was ready to walk away after 2020.
Reed's first full year in Supercross was 2002 in the 125 East. He's been in the premier class since 2003. I was very fortunate to watch the Reed/Stewart rivalry, yet I was disappointed Reed didn't win most of those, but what really stuck out at me was that when his career was on the chopping block after 2010, Reed did something about it and privateered things until Team Honda let him pick whatever he liked in '11. When Stewart's career was on the chopping block, what did he do -- nothing!!
You're welcome for the posts. Hope you see some of what I have from 1997-2011. Some of my races after 2010 got taken down by Feld, but some were spared; most of my races from 2006 got pulled as well for some strange reason, too.
The legends says the CHAMPIONS bike the KAWASAKI! MacGrath,Emig,Carmichael,Stewart,Reed,Villopoto.
That's true for sure.
23:02 Haha Hansen's Energy drinks remember those? Nice blast from the past.
Glad that piqued your interest. :)
One thing to note, that should have told us here, (2001), that RC Was going to be the goat, is the fact that he tied the record of wins in a row, against the guy who had the most wins in a row.
Pretty sure every SX fan knew that already, but I like to stick to things prior to the race I'm showing.
Carmichael was better on Kawasaki than suzuki!
Maybe, but when RC was on Suzuki, he started to earn stats that only fledgling amateurs would kill to have -- same goes for when he was on Kawasaki and Honda like his perfect 125cc East SX season in 1998 for Pro Circuit Kawasaki, and 2 perfect 250cc MX seasons in 2002 (on a CR250R) and 2004 (on a CRF450R) for Honda.
Carmichael was just as dominant on the Suzuki as he was on the Kawi, statistically he was better on the Suzuki. He had 2 perfect seasons on the Honda. That's when he was truly untouchable
@Andrew: No disagreements there. The fact that Ricky has back-to-back perfect MX seasons is one stat I see never being matched with today's talent pool.
bailey so smooth on mic.
No question about it.
2 greatest ever, wow
No disagreements. I'd like to think that McGrath would've won this race had he not had that slide-out.
I love supercross
That's pretty obvious.
Those were the best days
Yes they were. I still wish McGrath had dominated the 2001 Supercross series though.
The year the torch was passed.
Totally, and McGrath unfortunately had no answer for Carmichael.
The funny thing is Bailey said Carmichael was on the fast track to catch McGrath’s 72 wins but oops, guess who has more than RC???? lol aww boy guess you guys didn’t know a guy was gonna come along who was the fastest of all of’m!
Well, you can't really fault Ricky for wanting to go out on top -- retiring after 2007. I think if Ricky didn't injure his knee before the 2004 Supercross season began, he may very well have gotten close to McGrath's 72 wins, but Jeremy averaged 10 wins in all 7 of his championship seasons, which is really hard to do. As it is, Ricky ended up with 48 career wins (60 if you count his 12 125cc wins from '97-'98).
It’s like watching snails race compared to moto today! I just came to see how much more of a beast the kids are today. Eli tomac I think is the goat rn
Oh, I disagree! Although speeds have considerably gone up, this was the best era to be a part of, hands down.
I didn't like it when Ricky switched to Honda. He was known as a Kawasaki guy. He's been on the green bikes since his earliest years. I think it would have been better if he had done a Jeff Ward. From the beginning to the end of his pro career, he stayed with Kawasaki.
I didn't care too much for Ricky's change to Honda, but he showed the switch to Honda was a good one in sweeping the MX Nationals twice in '02 and '04 and 18 wins total in SX (11 in '02, 7 in '03).
I saw a race between Mcgrath and Carmichael on Hangtown! Fucking awesome race. Then Mcgrath came to my hometown Fresno best fucking day!!!!
Good for you :) When was that?
oddsource I used to go every year to hang town and watch all the greats. I loved watching them outdoors. only been once since 2008 when I joined the army.
Good for you. I've always been strictly watch the races on TV for me ;)
Yeah the best part about watching it on TV was you could see the whole race but if you went to the out door races you could see the whole track.
Yeah that's true, but it's' a little hard to tell who's leading and who's in what place. My Dad was at the Monster Cup this past October, and some of his riding friends have been to the Nationals, too.
Yeah you can tell this was at a time where each rider had to sit there and name two pages of sponsors
To a point, yes. Naming your sponsors was important, I'll give them that, but Jeremy McGrath had his interviews down to a science from what I watched from '97 on.
Any idea on who's got the whole 2001 season?
I certainly don't.
Good old days
You bet.
There’s so many things I find really unusual in this race...Why wouldn’t Honda put Mike LaRocco on that Prototype 4-Stroke CRF450R?!?
I think LaRocco was content with the 250 2-stroke he'd ridden since the 500cc class went away after '93. Then again, Mike did jump on the CRF450R at Millville after Ryan Hughes got hurt before Washougal and elected not to run the rest of the 2001 Motocross season. Sebastien Tortelli didn't want to ride the 450 supposedly, and Ezra Lusk had busted some ribs before this race and didn't ride that night in Vegas.
oh man is this VHS
Gilbert Rwamukunyu Yeah, I'm afraid so.
You ain't mixin gas, you ain't hauling ass.
My thoughts exactly (lol).
History of huga buga cross
Haha. Say what?
Jeremy was the better rider but RC was in better shape in these days. That kawasaki was the fastest bike out there too, Things would have been different if Jeremy was riding a kawai or suzuki in 01.
I don't know if riding a different brand would've made a difference for McGrath in 2001; he did win 2 races on the Yamaha. My guess was that Ricky just came out with a new training program that MC wasn't ready for or even expecting; Jeremy could've won this title or even compete with Ricky in a lot of the races that season, but RC just brought that training program that made people think they had to train at all hours of the day to compete with him. Lusk showed something at Dallas before a crash ruined his chances.
austinr09 15:00 jeremy wasn't even doubling simple sections carmichael was far more talented and fast
Gabe Newell Yeah; Ricky was making the most mistakes and Jeremy couldn't take advantage of that, which was a major disappointment.
***** I wouldn't say he made more mistakes, he was just faster and better conditioned. Which is kind of sad considering McGrath never even rode the outdoor nationals, McGrath was very overrated.
Gabe Newell Well true there, but Jeremy does have a National title to his credit (from 1995). I did want to see McGrath win a National Outdoor title (but never got into the sport until 1997), and he never did. I think I had only seen Jeremy in about 20 Motocross Nationals in my entire life.
Right around 15:05....starts to make me question the genuineness of the narrative. Why did he slow down? I obviously won’t go as far as to say he was told to let Ricky win right? That’s a little “out there” and not very probable but what the hell is going on there? Doesn’t anyone else wonder this? I can’t be the only one. Love AMA, MC even more. Hated RC but only at that time and only because he was grabbing at my dude’s crown son!! But I respect the shit out of his riding style and perseverance as an pro athlete and rider. Speaking of narrative, these were the damn days weren’t they!!?? Damn they were good. Someone used the team “golden era” and I f-Ing love that especially because that’s how I look back on it. I really enjoyed the entire era and everything/everyone involved. Thanks for putting the vid up and allowing me to comment my crazy conspiracy ideas and all lol. Thanks MC & RC for a great time. 👍🏼✌🏼
I don't think Jeremy slowed down on purpose. It may not look like it, but Jeremy made a mistake and got a little too far forward in his body position. Jeremy tried his hardest, but this track was hard to pass on unless somebody blew it. I hated seeing Jeremy lose this race as much because that meant RC tied his 1996 record of 13 in a row.
Yes these were the good days indeed. Unfortunately, McGrath was not as winning as often as I'm sure he'd like to have. I was getting pretty tired of RC winning myself, but Chad Reed saved me from leaving the sport in '03.
You're welcome for the post. Hope you'll see other races I've posted. I have a few going back to 1997, the first year I started following the sport.
Wow nice dude no way! 97? Let’s see so I got my first 89 yz125 back in 98 and that started my obsession of the sport then. When did the first couple Terrafirma’s come out again? That’s was definitely the golden era IMO. Yeah I’ll check out your other vids though also. So after I commented here I watched an interview with MC and he was talking about that time, not specifically the one I brought up, but the time in general and he did mention what you just said too. He wasn’t winning as much as he wanted to and he was just as frustrated as we were about it believe it or not...imagine that 🙄hahaa. Like I was the only one right? Lol anyways, good talkin, thanks for the comment back man. Take care of yourself. ✌🏼
I started riding about the same time. I believe the Terrafirmas came out about '98 or '97.
Yeah, I was probably just as mad as McGrath was that he wasn't winning as often as he'd like to after Carmichael came calling. It's hard to believe that all McGrath really did was blow one triple jump at Anaheim 3 2001 and that was all she wrote for the Supercross season. Seeing McGrath finish between 4th and 8th in 2002, and not better than a 3rd place (3 times) was equally frustrating. Yeah McGrath led some races in '02, but the fact he wouldn't change his lines or wait until he goofed up and gave up the lead was also just as bad.
Hope you might throw a comment on some of the past vids I've posted, and maybe you'd be in the same boat as me when I say that Chad Reed really saved me from leaving the sport after McGrath retired so suddenly.
Great footage from the potatoes of ESPN!
It was on Pay-Per View after all -- best part was it was uninterrupted.
I can't even watch modern races, the 4 strokes are boring. RC looks like toddler here.
+Opferman Motors Dirtbiking I can watch today's races, even with RC gone as of 2008.
+Opferman Motors Dirtbiking Right as if the machines engine stroke determines the quality of the racing... no its the banging bars action the intensity of the racing. Plus the newer races have way better quality which is a plus.
Todd Miley Yeah, but the only thing I look for is if Chad Reed will win.
Chad used to be my favorite rider when I was young till I realized hes kind of a cry baby always has an excuse on why he doesnt get first. I mean dont get me wrong he's still cool but I like dungey better. IMO
Todd Miley True Reed was like that before, and I didn't really like it either, but I still like the guy overall when he showed he could challenge RC and James (to a point).
I stopped going to supercross because of Emig and Langston and also the attitudes of everyone acting like they all ride for the Metal Mulisha. Emig and Langston were both total Dbags last time I went and said screw this I don't need to spend my money on this.
That's a shame. I haven't been to a Supercross race myself, but I don't see any reason for me to go since Chad Reed's not winning as frequently as he is.
@@MathewVsSportsMediaandGames It really sucks, I remember when I was really young I thought I'm going to do that someday and actually I have raced twice in Bank one ballpark. It was the U.S. offroad championship series that had bikes, quads, buggies and trucks and monster trucks for halftime. I always make sure I take to young kids and tell them they can do it if they stick with it. Thanks for posting the video.
I only thought about the life as a Pro Motocrosser but I'd miss my home state of Hawaii too much. Cool to hear you raced twice in Bank One Ballpark. I still remember when it was at the old Sun Devil Stadium when I first got into the sport in '97.
You're very welcome for the post. Hope you'll see some of the other races I've posted. I used to have the 2006 season up, but Feld blocked them on UA-cam unfortunately last year, but the Lites races are still up there.
@@MathewVsSportsMediaandGames Oh very nice are you still in Hawaii? Yep I remember when it used to be in Sun Devil Stadium.
Yes I am. I stopped wanting to go to the races after McGrath retired, and Chad Reed was getting beaten so frequently by Stewart and Carmichael.
The night being king was over for jeremy.
I actually think that happened at Anaheim 3 when McGrath didn't do one triple and that was all she wrote for the season.
God by 4-strokes, says McGrath and RC.
I don't believe I follow you there.
@@MathewVsSportsMediaandGames I meant Good by to the 4- strokes by the 2- stroke.
@@ryanbarker4422 Okay
Jeremy left nothing on the track, during his dominant years....& when RC moved to the premier class,...it was his time to reign for many consecutive years....👍
Oh he definitely left nothing on the track that night. I was definitely discouraged that it still didn't result in a win that night in Vegas for Jeremy. Unfortunately, the writing then was on the wall when McGrath was injured coming into 2002 and couldn't finish better than 3rd (3 times). It was also hard to believe that later on at Southwick, Carmichael said he'd wanted to stick around for 4 or 5 more years, too.
Which pixel is RC?
Talk about dumb questions... someone ain't paying attention.
@@MathewVsSportsMediaandGames Well, which pixel is it? Don't leave us hanging...
@@rapid13 If you seriously don't know Ricky's #4, I've no clue what you're talking about.
@@MathewVsSportsMediaandGames The incredibly low quality of the video. Sad that I have to spell that out for you. Jesus dood, grow a sense of humor.
@@rapid13 What you see is what you get... and that didn't look like some joke to me.
this is race when you have to actually shift.
Yeah, absolutely.
Unless your voss or farr
Yea I know I am like the only one that races two strokes where I’m from and they ask me why I always get arm pump or get tired it’s cause I actually have to shift 😂 I am getting better and do not get tired anymore
The good rider ride well no matter brand
Agreed for sure. Preparation is key, too.
Isn’t single digit numbers typically reserved for champions? If Ricky didn’t win yet how come he was able to have #4
Yes, that's correct. If you earn a Motocross title, you can run a single-digit number. The single-digits are reserved for former champions, and Carmichael is a Motocross champ.
You seem to have forgotten that Carmichael won his 3 125cc MX titles from '97-'99 and 25 victories, and the 2000 250cc MX title prior to 2001. That's what gave Ricky the right to run #4.
@@MathewVsSportsMediaandGames ah gotcha he won a outdoor, I knew about the 125cc but thought the numbers were different per class
@@midnite_in_november That used to be the case a long time ago. Whatever place you finished in the final points standings for the Supercross season determined your number for the following year. I guess after '97 was when the AMA let the riders pick their numbers for the next season. The only changes came when the Motocross season came around where the champion at the end could run the #1 plate. 2000 was the year where the riders could run with their permanent numbers (i.e. LaRocco running #5, Lamson running #6, Carmichael running #4, McGrath running #2, etc.).
Carmichael the ROID boy!!!!!!
ROID boy???
So sad. The end of an era.
Tell me about it. That era ended all because McGrath didn't do a triple at Anaheim 3. Ricky then added in a red-zone speed with a question of "How hard will YOU work for it?" and McGrath just wasn't ready for that. 2002 had to be the worst season ever because McGrath never won a race and couldn't finish higher than 3rd.
Yeah. I think Jeremy overtrained and was suffering from arm pump all the time. Another thing I believe is it was mental. He had won seven titles. He wasn't getting any younger. He knew Ricky was the man and I don't believe he had the desire anymore to push it up to the next level. When you've won so many, the hunger is no longer there. That's just what I think.
I don't think McGrath overtrained -- what I heard was that Jeremy was suffering from a back injury before the season even began, which was the culprit of his frequent arm pump. I really think Jeremy could've won a race in 2002, but he kept making mistakes he shouldn't have to me. I know McGrath wanted to win a race in '02, but I think his pre-season injury wrecked his run at Supercross title #8. The fact that McGrath DIDN'T win a race in '02 was bad enough, especially from races he led and gave up the lead due to mistakes of his own.
I didn't know that he hurt his back but let's face it, he was getting on in years at that time and Ricky had hit his prime. Ricky is a great rider and it's a joy to watch him but the main reason he's not my favorite is because he dethroned Jeremy. How shallow is that? I can't help it. When Jeremy moved to Yamaha, I was very happy and Ricky was the guy to end McGrath's reign.
That's also possible because McGrath turned 30 before the 2002 season began, but he said his back injury (which was actually in a curve between his shoulder blades) didn't give him good blood supply (which he said in the "Bar to Bar 2002" video). I think conditioning cost McGrath the wins at Phoenix and Anaheim 3, but Minneapolis was a real possibility if McGrath didn't spin out on lap 10, and Dallas might've been the one had McGrath changed his line in a whoop section before the first triple jump, but didn't.
Personally, I liked Carmichael myself, but I didn't like the fact that he ended McGrath's era of domination. The fact that he went virtually unchallenged for almost 2 straight seasons really docked my interest in the sport, and Jeremy's sudden retirement in 2003 was ALMOST the last straw for me. That was when Chad Reed showed me he could compete with Ricky; today, Reed is the ONLY reason I have left to follow Supercross w/ RC and McGrath retired, and James Stewart in "who knows where" (much to my delight).
Is Johnson speaking ?
Ricky Johnson? No, that's David Bailey. At the time, the last Supercross I remember RJ called on was Charlotte 1997; I do know he called Arenacross in 2000.
I stand alone. Says Ricky Carmichael.
Unsure what he meant there honestly.
I miss these old announcers I can not stand the new guys and I hate emig these guys had the voice and intensity these guys now are killing the tv value of the sport bc u just want to fall asleep also the camera angels and sound on the bikes now is terrible
Personally, I disagree with that. I actually LIKE Jeff Emig basically because he's a guy I remember watching -- and he's really good from a psychological perspective. Personally, the 4-strokes taking over the sport was something I never saw coming.
***** totally agree. But I don't understand why they don't race two strokes anymore. They are lighter, there's less engine components making it smaller, it puts out almost twice as much power as a four stoke, they break down less, and are cheap to rebuild. Correct me if I'm wrong but they are built to be raced and be good at it.
CRF NIGHTMARE I guess the reason why 2-strokes are no more is because of the extra power advantage and all the bite they get on the tracks; it wasn't long ago we only saw 1 or 2 thumpers out there (Doug Henry, Jimmy Button, etc.) and they were about the same in terms of competitiveness; I think a main reason why 4-strokes dominate the sport is what happened in late 2005 when James Stewart got on a 4-stroke Kawasaki himself after riding the 250 2-stroke in Motocross over the summer against 38 other 4-strokes and not having the best of performances, everyone else wanted to compete with him, so Reed, Carmichael, Fonseca, Byrne, and everyone else jumped on the thumpers.
***** completely agree. Thanks for posting this vid up, it's good to be able to go back and watch everything I grew up watching again, I mean just look at those bulky fenders and that high quality image haha. Those were the days.
CRF NIGHTMARE Yes they were (lol)
You think anyone will ever have a perfect season in sx?
I seriously doubt it will happen. At today's talent pool... I don't see anybody winning 4 in a row -- especially with Villopoto not competing in 2015 (supposedly)
boy I thought McGrath at least would have won four or five that year what the hell happened he wasn't that old 29 I think
Carmichael... that's what happened. When Chaparral went out of business after 2000, that might've effected Jeremy a little bit. I think Jeremy still came into 2001 the same Jeremy McGrath we got to know through the years, but I guess Carmichael's training program caught him off guard in a way.
2001 was just Carmichael's year. I think that all started at Anaheim 3 when Carmichael ran McGrath down and passed him with only 2 laps to go... all because McGrath jumped too far into the face of a triple and couldn't jump it. The fact that Ricky went practically unchallenged until Dallas arguably when Ezra Lusk showed some backbone was just as bad as watching Ricky run away with the next 10-11 races. When Carmichael crashed in practice at Salt Lake City, I was HOPING Dr. Bodnar would pull Carmichael from his heat race because Ricky crashed so hard and gave himself a whopping headache and a possible concussion. Bodnar didn't do it, and Carmichael fought through the pack after a 6th or 7th place start to shut everyone up with his 12th straight win. It's hard to believe that Salt Lake City and this race (Vegas) were the only real races where Carmichael was challenged all race long. As much as it pained me to see McGrath not beat Carmichael here like he did at Anaheim 2, it is clear to see that Jeremy was clearly faster than Carmichael that night.
What worked for McGrath in the past didnt work anymore. Dont train (Not as hard as RC), party, and get beaten by RC - somebody who was new school (Train your ass off and NO partying).
I seriously doubt that Jeremy went out partying before Supercross. I think RC caught everybody off-guard, including McGrath. Then, uncharacteristic things happened to McGrath on the track. The sad part is, Ricky went virtually unchallenged until Lusk showed him something at Dallas (arguably).
Rossi vs Biaggi = McGrath vs Carmichael.
No disagreements there.
y no 1080p
Seriously???
@@MathewVsSportsMediaandGames is called a joke bub
Didn't look that way to me.
@@MathewVsSportsMediaandGames lol why are u actualy mad, like why would it honestly be 1080p dude cmon clearly a joke
Mad, no, but I'm one of those people who can't tell if its a joke or not.
honda 4 stroke? i thought 2002 or 03 was the first year
Nope -- it was 2001. Heath Voss made the Supercross debut on the CRF450 after Tortelli didn't want to ride it, and Ezra Lusk crashed earlier that week and busted some ribs to a point where he couldn't even race; Ryan Hughes rode the 450cc bike during the Nationals, but his season was cut short before Washougal due to a concussion. He tried to come back for the final round at Steel City in prep for the 2001 MX des Nations, but he crashed and suffered yet another concussion... which led to him withdrawing from the team and to be replaced by Kevin Windham; ironically, Travis Pastrana was also invited to the MXDN team for 2001, but he pulled out, too due to too many crashes and whacking his head (once at Unadilla, and again at Washougal).
good info, the first year released to the public was 02 or 03
BAJARACER43X Yeah pretty much; hard to believe it was 5 years later in 2006 that 4-strokes were dominating the sport now.
Never was much of a McGrath fan, always thought he was great rider but just seemed a little too flashy for me. I first seen RC in the Silverdome in 1997 I was 7 years old and I have been one of RC's biggest fan's since. Was so, so excited to see RC dominate Jeremy amd dethrone him.
I was the opposite. I was a huge fan of Jeremy McGrath, but I also liked Ricky as long as Jeremy kept winning. 1997 was my first year following the sport; I was only 9 at the time; my first race I watched was probably Seattle, but Orlando '97 was when I became a full fan. 1998 was my first full year following the sport, and MC and RC became two of my immediate heroes along with David Vuillemin and a bunch of others like Fonseca, Huffman, Lusk, JSR, etc. I totally loved seeing Ricky on that 125 going through that perfect 125 East season in '98 after a crash-filled rookie season.
@@MathewVsSportsMediaandGames Those were the best days to be a MX fan, so many good riders. I was always partial to Kawasaki so on the big bikes I was always watching for Jeff Emig. There Albertin on the Suzuki, LaRocco, Windham, Hughes....the list goes on
@@andrewreebel7967 Yep. I grew up in this era myself; fans today had no idea how the sport hit its highest point around the mid-2000s, and you certainly weren't a fan if you didn't know about the 1986 battle between Bailey and Johnson (like I learned about it through the years).
I miss 2 strokes! Have nothing against 4 strokes though.
I do as well
Finally someone who doesn't act like a little bitch towards 4 strokes! I love 2 strokes but I don't understand why people talk such crap towards 4 strokes, a lot of the information that people put on the internet is bullshit. Though I personally prefer 2 strokes, I hate how close minded some people are towards 4 strokes
I'd like to see that.
@Art: I like the 4-strokes myself; Ryan Hughes was the one guy who got my interest in the 4-stroke after Henry retired after 1999. When Hughes rode the new Honda 450 outdoors in '01 after 2 years in Europe, I thought it was a good way to get more appeal. I was just totally shocked that the 450cc bikes took over the sport so soon once 2006 came along; it caught me off guard that's for sure.
0:45 do you think david bailey ever got that 100?
Well, he went with Heath Voss for the holeshot and the graphic said Tim Ferry got the holeshot, so my guess is that David Bailey lost that 100.
didnt even realize that, but up until about 3:27 the order was voss mcgrath and ferry
Well, the graphic came up after turn #2. I think Ferry just edged Voss for the holeshot, but Voss managed to find a little more room on the outside and immediately take the lead from Ferry, as did McGrath.
Yep, the order was Voss, McGrath, Ferry, but that didn't stand for long.
what a ride by ferry tho. i dont think there are any two riders who have the accolades of carmichael and mcgrath combined but damn dude, in a race where both guys wanted it so bad, ferry was only 5 seconds behind rc on the podium
Right. Tim may not have been part of the 2-man fight between McGrath and Carmichael for the lead, but a 2nd at SLC, and a 3rd at Vegas... you can't ask for anything better after a season-best of 5th place a total of 6 times.
Actually, Honda dropped McGrath because he was caught riding a yamaha jet ski.
Really? I didn't hear of that.
Thard
What significance is that? You don't have to leave a comment saying you're the first or 3rd to comment on this.
Ricky is scrubbing everything perfect.
At this time, yeah.
@@MathewVsSportsMediaandGames Don’t you live in Hawaii? I’m pretty sure we have texted each other before.
@@jasonfalcon4052 Yes I do.
@@MathewVsSportsMediaandGames yes we have texted before. So awesome to see the ole 2 strokes.
I don’t like 4 strokes.
Personally, I liked the 4-strokes when they first came out, and Henry won the '97 Vegas finale on a Yamaha 400.
Now, with the new E-bikes coming out, Davey Coombs and others are saying they don't want to make the same mistake they did with the 4-strokes.
@22:32 what's with the beep beep beep?
+pbhurley19 Some fan being pretty screwy (lol)
+MathewV21688 lol ok. I was just like wait... wtf was that? haha.
pbhurley19 Okay then (lol)
RC..bout 300lbs these days
300 lbs.? Not even.
Bring back 2strokes and make it equal 125 4stroke vs125 2stroke . 450 4stroke vs 450 2stroke. The idea that there could be a privateer now with the 4strokes being so expensive to buy,working on, and rebuild is not possible that's why we don't see privateers now. 4stroke was just BS to make more money for the manufacturer. Sure they're faster than they have ever been but put 20+ years of research and technology into 2stroke bikes and you'll get a faster bike than when they quit advancing
Those aspects I agree with, but what was also said was that the 4-strokes were easier to ride, and were a lot less tiring when they were introduced.
@@MathewVsSportsMediaandGames true they made everyone more capable of being fast and less shifting and more smooth. If you could rip on a 2stroke you knew you could ride. Lots harder to get comfortable and less predictable power band. I like them both but the 2 stroke dident deserve to be discontinued keep building them let them race and keep guys able to get new or newer bikes without a fortune I always want to see more people getting in to motocross.
@@caseyanderson7600 I have to admit that I was 13 when the 250Fs were introduced, but I was only 10 when Henry rode that YZ400 in 1998 full-time. 2-strokes certainly give that old-school feeling, and repairing them certainly doesn't leave as big a hole in your wallet as a 4-stroke generally does. I rode all 2-strokes until 2006 when my dad got me a Honda 250F because I was pretty serious about getting a 4-stroke myself.
@@MathewVsSportsMediaandGames I forgot about all the off size cc 4stroke bikes they tried before all going to 250ccand 450cc don't think I ever even rode one.
@@MathewVsSportsMediaandGames after you're 250f did you stick with 4strokes?
These recordings look like they were done in the 1980s wtf
What you see is what you get. I used a blank disc to record these races.
@@MathewVsSportsMediaandGames I'm not doggin on ya man I love watchin these races. I just find it shitty how the video quality looks like it is from the 80's after being copied and recopied. Nothin against you man.
I figured. I'm just glad you are happy to see these races.
this racer was the end of jeremy
+luis trejo I wouldn't say "the end" of Jeremy. McGrath's undoing I thought was mid-2002 when he never made the podium until Atlanta. McGrath was also 30, so that also had something to do with Jeremy not running up front like he usually did.
End of Jeremy was when he jumped to Suzuki.
On the contrary, I thought 1997 brought out the true Jeremy McGrath -- consistency.
destroyed him
Ricky to McGrath -- yes... all from one mistake on McGrath's part.
wtf beep beep beep 25:30
Some fans being goofy.
One word....HONDA!!! If Mc Grath had stayed on Honda, things would have been a lot different.
Somehow, I kinda doubt that because McGrath and Lamson didn't like the new '97 Hondas, which explains why McGrath left Honda so late for Suzuki.
The tracks back then were to dry and hard making it slippery and dangerous. The tracks now are to soft and you have nothing but a rut race. They need to mix the soil types to find middle ground. The 4 strokes which I can barely hear just don’t have any business out there. I don’t care how smooth the power is it’s just not a motocross race bike and sounds horrible. The sounds and smell of motocross is important
No arguments on the tracks being dry and hard, but at the same time, I do think today's racing has not really changed much -- even after going to 4-strokes.
@@MathewVsSportsMediaandGames I’m seeing horrible ruts in the turns now and very small berms. Berms used to be 6’ tall
@@zackk695 6' tall??? I think you mean 6' long.
@@MathewVsSportsMediaandGames there are berms 10’ tall. Many of them against large banks and hills. No turn is 6’ long. Even a short turn is 15’ long but it depends on how you measure it. I good berm will be at least 15’ long and have a bank the rider can get sideways on and ride it like a rail.
@@zackk695 Hmm. Honestly, I never really paid attention to that detail, but I did see those long ruts during Motocross seasons (hard not to) through the years.
Mcgrath beat himself here,. He was running rickys pace/Speed. He gave up the lead w the mistake in the corner by simply overthinking.
That sounds about right, but that's the pressure that Ricky put on everyone all throughout 2001 -- he kept hounding you so hard until you make the tiniest mistake and he took advantage of it; McGrath definitely wasn't used to having that happen to him.
It wasnt rickys pressure,. Mcgrath's own pressure caused it.
Maybe here, but one thing's for sure: McGrath wasn't used to having that pressure happen to him.
The only difference was that McGrath always had creative ways to pass everyone; Carmichael, I think, was too lucky because everyone made mistakes around him.
And Stewart applied that same pressure to ricky,. And dethroned him and his records.. It happens with generations,. Its called evolution. & either way Mcgrath is the king of sx. Always will be.
I wouldn't say that Ricky was "dethroned" -- I think RC just "stepped down" because he didn't have much left to prove and he didn't want to go through all that work.
I will not disagree that McGrath will always be the SX King. I still find it a total shame his reign ended so suddenly, and 2001 was the beginning of the end.
Back when they filmed everything with a potato.
DVD making was in its infancy back then keep in mind.
David Bailey,Jean Michel-Bayle,Jeff Stanton,Rick Johnson would have beat everyone of these guys....
I wouldn't doubt that in the least, but back then, it was bumper cars and such.
Nope MC and RC took the sport to a whole new level.
Stephen T They did -- McGrath with a smooth and stylish style of what Rick Johnson, Bob Hannah, Damon Bradshaw, and all the old guys did; Ricky raised the level to a point where it felt like you had to train at all hours just to compete with him.
RC on a gorified trail bike? McGrath on a pile Yamaha?
I wouldn't go that way w/ McGrath OR Carmichael -- Ricky just had beefed up his training program tenfold and caught MC off-guard.
forst
I don't know what significance that is -- you being first to comment on here.
...then you clearly don't understand UA-cam.
joelcr250 There isn't anything to "understand" about UA-cam and this comment as far as I can see.
***** yeah, its a joke, jeeeez.
Mcgrath, Carmicheal and then you have Heath Voss on that four stroke... 🖕🖕
Well the 4-strokes were in their infancy; Tim Ferry was also on a Yamaha 426F FTR. I just wish McGrath won this race and prevented Ricky from tying his 1996 record of 13 straight wins.
I dislike these phony indoor tracks. Jump jump jump. Woop woop woops.
So your ideal Supercross track is no jumps and no whoops???
Unbeknownst to the McGrath callk sucking commentators..it was at this moment..Carmichael never looked back and went on to win 15 championships..more then any other rider..ever in history.. .
It can't be denied what RC did, but you can't deny that how he did it was incredibly unexpected -- especially to Jeremy McGrath himself. McGrath cemented his status as one of the GOATs, as did Ricky Carmichael. I got nothing BUT respect for both gentlemen. McGrath was the whole reason I got into this sport in 1997. Chad Reed is the guy who kept me a fan after he challenged RC down the stretch of 2003 Supercross.